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"Survivor Kiribati: What If? (Ultimate Nominations Game) Week 1"
Survivorerist 4103 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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12-02-02, 10:34 PM (EST)
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"Survivor Kiribati: What If? (Ultimate Nominations Game) Week 1" |
Welcome to the Ultimate Survivor: What If? nominations game! Now I know that there are like a million of these games going on at once, but the more the merrier I guess, right? This game will be entirely fictional, with the results of the challenges made up by me (read the note at the bottom of each post for how they were decided) and there will be SHOCKING NEW TWISTS like never seen before. Each one of the 16 contestants was nominated by a poster. So sit back, and drift away to a breathtakingly beautiful island, which is about to become 16 Americans' worst nightmare...Survivor Kiribati: What if? The Island of Kiribati
As the camera fades in, a plane is seen flying high above a tropical landscape. Cut to a shot of the 16 contestants, sitting in two rows, with Jeff Probst in the middle. As the plane jitters up and down, some of the contestants let loose a vomit. The rest of the contestants do not appear to be having a very inviting experience either. Jeff Probst: We're flying high above the Kiribati island group, an island group in the Central Pacific Ocean, about 3600 miles southwest of Hawaii. This is the starting place for an extraordinary adventure. The weather and climate in this region can be extremely beautiful, but also unforgivingly harsh. For the next 39 days, these 16 Americans will call Kiribati their home. They must work together, but ultimately it will be everyone for themselves as they vote each other off, until only one emerges as the ultimate Survivor. The players have been divided into two tribes, where they will have to work together in order to rebuild a new society. From the Kiribatiese for bird, the Mannikiba tribe, which will always wear green, consists of: Helen Glover, a 47 year old Navy Swim Instructor from Middletown, RI. Kathy Vavrick-O'Brien, a 48 year old Real Estate Agent from Burlington, VT Colleen Haskell, a 25 year old Actress from Miami Beach, FL Neleh Dennis, a 22 year old Student from Layton, UT Lex Van Den Burghe, a 39 year old Marketing Manager from Santa Cruz, CA Gervase Peterson, a 33 year old Youth Basketball Coach from Philedalphia, PA Rodger Bingham, a 55 year old Teacher from Crittenden, KY and Jake Billingsley, a 61 year old Land Broker from McKinney, TX. From the Kiribatiese for fish, the ika tribe, which will always wear red, consists of: Elisabeth Filarski, a 25 year old Footwear Designer from Boston, MA Vecepia Towery, a 36 year old Office Manager from Portland, Oregon Jenna Lewis, a 25 year old Student from Franklin, NH Tina Wesson, a 41 year old Nurse from Knoxville, TN Sean Rector, a 31 year old Teacher from Harlem, NY Brandon Quinton, a 26 year old Bartender from Dallas, TX Rudy Boesch, a 74 year old Retired Navy SEAL from Virginia Beach, VA and Rob Mariano, a 27 year old Construction Worker from Canton, MA The first immunity challenge was called Flying Your Flag (previously used in Survivor: Thailand). In this challenge, the tribes had to row a boat to eight stations, where one member would have to solve a mental puzzle and release a flag. Each member was required to complete one puzzle. The first tribe to return with all their flags was the winner. Survivors ready? Go! This challenge clearly did not favour either the older tribe members nor the younger ones. On Mannikiba, Jake began to tire midway through the challenge, while Neleh had a little trouble completing her puzzle. On Ika, the same held true for tribe member Rudy, who admitted that he wasn't what he used to be, and Jenna, who had to take a little longer to solve her sliding puzzle. In the end, Ika was no match for the faster Mannikiba, who won by over 2 and a half minutes. Ika would hike to tribal council that night. Back at camp, Ika became demoralized at this early loss. While Tina used her diplomatic tongue to ease the worries of some of her tribemates, everyone was feeling vulnerable. Who would be the first voted off of Survivor: Kiribati? As always, here is where you come in. You have to vote off a member of the Ika tribe (if you can't remember who is on it, check above). Reply to this post with your vote in the subject line to cast your vote. Oh yeah, you may want to note something that Jiffy said at TC... Jeff:You guys had better come to a decision. If you can't choose who you want to leave, then I will choose for you. And trust me, you don't want me to choose... Voting will be open probably until Thursday, December 5. At that time, we will find out who is the first voted off of Survivor: Kiribati! Coming Next Week: The Gross Food Challenge. Note - How the challenge was done (Highlight text to reveal): Since the old members and the young members would obviously hurt the tribe in this section, I simply took the ages of everyone in the tribe and calculated the standard deviation (some fancy math thing I learned in school) of each tribe's ages. Whichever tribe had the higher standard deviation lost the challenge. Mannikiba had 13.06, while Ika had 15.47. (Another IceCat original )
The Top 5 FLL Castaways1. Neleh Dennis (11 weeks at #1) 2. Colby Donaldson (5 weeks at #1) 3. Amber Brkich (4 weeks at #1) 3. Lex Van Den Burghe (4 weeks at #1) 5. Elisabeth Filarski (3 weeks at #1) 5. Helen Glover (3 weeks at #1) 5. Kim Powers (3 weeks at #1)
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BaquaR13 1336 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"
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12-02-02, 10:39 PM (EST)
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1. "B-R-A-N-D-O-N" |
he was a jerk, a backstabber to his friends, and one the dumbest survivors to ever play. Easy vote...The Reality Show Queens!! BaQuAr13
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BMH 845 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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12-02-02, 10:43 PM (EST)
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2. "BRANDON" |
Ya I agree with my man baquar on this one...Brandon screwed up Samburu's chances..He had a shot at the final 3 and blew it just to throw a vote at Kelly..which mind you was the vote that sent her packing..grrrr
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CSSHost 51 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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12-04-02, 10:14 PM (EST)
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45. "BrAnDon" |
Loser.Jerk. Ruined T-Birds chances at ANYTHING...my woman... *Sniff* Good Riddance.
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ejm92 2221 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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12-02-02, 10:45 PM (EST)
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3. "Brandon" |
Can't disagree with the others....are we doing an IC vote? If so, I vote for Mannikiba to win again. 2002 NFC North Champs
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Jims02 7407 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-02-02, 10:46 PM (EST)
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4. "Jenna" |
We all know how I feel about Jenna, don't we?Is it just me, or do I like the Manni Tribe much more than this one... The only ones I REALLY like are Tina, Rudy, and Liz... Quotes of the week 1. "You will NOT see my ta-ta's" -Shii Ann 2. "Do they think I'm too controlling?" -Helen (um, yeah) 3. "My two year old (had a tantrum) one time and I whupped its @$$ and put it back to bed." -Clay 4. "I'm putting in an order for a bigger butt in my next life." -Jan (randomly)
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BMH 845 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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12-02-02, 10:48 PM (EST)
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5. "Question?" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-02-02 AT 10:48 PM (EST)Besides you picking who wins immunity in what way is this game different than ejm's? Do the people who nominated each survivor participate in any individual way? PS: I can't wait for the twists..I bet you got some good ones!
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Survivorerist 4103 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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12-03-02, 00:21 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: Question?" |
>>>Besides you picking who wins immunity in what way is this game different than ejm's?<<< Not much is different, actually. In fact, I'm sure you remember that this game was actually a branch off of ejm's original ultimate Survivor game. I guess what we could say is that these two games are running together a little. However, there are a few differences I guess. One, most everyone has a contestant of their choosing that they can root for in this one, which makes it extra special I guess. And the lack of choice for IC's (this will include individuals too, but read on) might mean you may want to think who you might vote for, cuz there's no guarantee who'll be up and who won't next time. Do the people who nominated each survivor participate in any individual way? I'm trying to work you guys into the game somehow, but if I do, it won't be in an overt way. That's all I'm saying. (Another IceCat original )
The Top 5 FLL Castaways1. Neleh Dennis (11 weeks at #1) 2. Colby Donaldson (5 weeks at #1) 3. Amber Brkich (4 weeks at #1) 3. Lex Van Den Burghe (4 weeks at #1) 5. Elisabeth Filarski (3 weeks at #1) 5. Helen Glover (3 weeks at #1) 5. Kim Powers (3 weeks at #1)
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bobstew617 723 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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12-03-02, 02:50 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Question?" |
One thought I have--maybe the person who nominated the individual as they get voted out can deliver a "Final Words" speech.Does everyone remember who they nominated?
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bobstew617 723 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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12-02-02, 11:02 PM (EST)
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6. "Brandon" |
Maybe I can get him out early in THIS game.
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echogirl 2120 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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12-02-02, 11:41 PM (EST)
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7. "Vee" |
Oh well the anti-Brandon camp has a jump! Instead of voting for Rob I will try and get rid of Vee!
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sittem 4186 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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12-02-02, 11:42 PM (EST)
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8. "Brandon" |
Immunity in S3 what if....hopefully here he goes first! 2002 IceCat Originals, Inc. All rights reserved.
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bubbastan 625 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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12-03-02, 00:38 AM (EST)
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10. "Vee" |
Joining Echo and throwing a vote Vee's way, since she's way sneaky, and don't want her around til the end to mess things up. I can't vote for Brandon, because I actually found him pretty entertaining, and think S3 would have been even more boring without his presence.
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johnthemod 423 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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12-04-02, 11:25 PM (EST)
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52. "Your vote can save him" |
If you change your vote to Jenna, you could save Brandon, just thought I'd point that out.
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BMH 845 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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12-04-02, 11:37 PM (EST)
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55. "lol" |
I gotta admit John I respect your determination to get ppl to save Brandon..it's something i would do to save Vee lol
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bubbastan 625 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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12-05-02, 01:19 AM (EST)
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60. "Vote Change: Jenna" |
Trying to spare Brandon from the ax......
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magic_star 2400 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model"
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12-03-02, 01:39 AM (EST)
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11. "Brandon" |
Wow...I like almost everyone on these tribes. This will be the hardest What if? game for me to vote in, especially after a couple of episodes.T-Mac hits the three! Magic Win! Magic Win!
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PhoenixMons 4696 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Stuff Magazine Centerfold"
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12-03-02, 01:47 AM (EST)
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12. "Jenna" |
IMO, Jenna is the least deserving of "ultimate survivor" of this bunch. She wasn't really all that interesting of a character and I would like to see any of the other 7 on her tribe win over her (not that I dislike her, just don't think she's as deserving).Brandon played very well IMO...he played to win not to stay (as someone else - sorry I forget who - said in a different thread). Vee...well Vee won so she's obviously done something right!
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Q 2569 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson"
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12-03-02, 01:48 PM (EST)
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14. "Brandon" |
Bye Bye Brandon (no, not Birdie)
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johnthemod 423 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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12-03-02, 01:53 PM (EST)
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15. "NEED SOME HELP HERE!!" |
Alright you guys, there's no way I can just sit around and allow my nomination, Brandon, to be voted off first. I had a feeling something like this might happen, but I picked a risky castaway because of the challenge it creates. I'm sorry, but there's not much of a challenge in picking Elisabeth or Kathy for a game like this, everyone loves them. Try looking at it from a true survivor standpoint...what would happen here? Vee and Sean and Rob are all probably going to vote together here, right? Who else might they bring into their alliance? I suggest they'd bring schemers Tina and Brandon along, and target someone like Jenna right off the bat. For all of those who felt she went way too far in surv 1 what if, or for anyone who feels sorry for me being the probable first one to go. Support the cause. Help Brandon make the jury.
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PhoenixMons 4696 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Stuff Magazine Centerfold"
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12-03-02, 02:20 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: NEED SOME HELP HERE!!" |
Here, here! I did my part already. As the one who nominated Sean, I vote for Jenna on his behalf as I think that's who he'd have voted for I think it's much more fun to play this game as if you are the person you nominated...much more realistic that way! I totally agree Lis and Kathy and other "likeables" will pretty much dominate as they do in every game and that's just not the way the cookie would crumble if these 16 people were out on an island (at least I don't think it would...). Sean may or may not choose to team up wtih Brandon were they tribemates, but I'd err in favor of an alliance because of some of the personality traits of the two (comical & outgoing). So whaddya say Brandon? My girl Vee...shall we get together again? This reminds me of a question I have..........
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BMH 845 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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12-03-02, 03:18 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: NEED SOME HELP HERE!!" |
I agree..it is hard for us (I nominated Vee) cuz we picked the less popular survivors..but somebody has gotta go!
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Jims02 7407 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-03-02, 03:33 PM (EST)
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22. "Lol" |
That's funny... You mentioned Sean, Rob, Vee, and Tina as "pro-Brandon" people...I'm not really described as "pro-Brandon" but it is funny that the person who nominated Tina (me) and Sean's nominator voted against someone else! Who nominated Rob??? Maybe we ARE living thru our nominations... Quotes of the week 1. "You will NOT see my ta-ta's" -Shii Ann 2. "Do they think I'm too controlling?" -Helen (um, yeah) 3. "My two year old (had a tantrum) one time and I whupped its @$$ and put it back to bed." -Clay 4. "I'm putting in an order for a bigger butt in my next life." -Jan (randomly)
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johnthemod 423 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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12-03-02, 01:53 PM (EST)
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16. "JENNA" |
Oh yeah, and the voting thing.TC: Jenna IC: Ika
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JohnMc 2679 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson"
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12-03-02, 01:54 PM (EST)
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17. "Rudy" |
Um, I don't know, if you screw up a challenge, you get booted. If you're crotchety, you should be booted.Bye bye Rudy
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johnthemod 423 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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12-05-02, 00:06 AM (EST)
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58. "RE: Rudy" |
One vote for Rudy won't really get anything accomplished, but one more vote for Jenna and I would be greatly indebted to you...
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ch5584 64 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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12-03-02, 03:50 PM (EST)
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23. "Brandon" |
I guess I will just pile on the Brandon votes hehe--I nominated Rob!!
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Jims02 7407 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-03-02, 07:59 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: Brandon" |
Well, there goes my theory... lolBrandon's probably my next target anyway... Rob, well I dunno when I'll get around to him Quotes of the week 1. "You will NOT see my ta-ta's" -Shii Ann 2. "Do they think I'm too controlling?" -Helen (um, yeah) 3. "My two year old (had a tantrum) one time and I whupped its @$$ and put it back to bed." -Clay 4. "I'm putting in an order for a bigger butt in my next life." -Jan (randomly)
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survivorscott 2191 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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12-03-02, 06:18 PM (EST)
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24. "Vee" |
Come in a stranger,leave a little stranger
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johnthemod 423 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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12-04-02, 11:29 PM (EST)
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54. "RE: Vee" |
Wouldn't consider changing to a vote for Jenna would ya?
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okonkwo 98 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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12-03-02, 06:31 PM (EST)
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25. "JENNA" |
She better go for what she did to the first survivor what if ;)Plus I think Helen would vote her off.
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Ralphie 53 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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12-03-02, 06:48 PM (EST)
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26. "Brandon" |
I don't think I have voted here yet hmmm I thought rob was okay brandon kind of annoyed me though
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rwj3eb 161 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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12-03-02, 11:21 PM (EST)
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28. "Brandon" |
He sucked.
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PlaneJane3 110 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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12-04-02, 00:15 AM (EST)
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29. "Jenna" |
I doubt it but i dont really care about getting Brandon out that much.
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Kokoro 3899 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge"
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12-04-02, 11:04 AM (EST)
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30. "Jenna" |
Really more of a throwaway vote right now....since it's between Brandon and Jenna I don't really care too much who's gone.----------------------------------- Now let us never speak of S3 again.
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drich61 558 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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12-04-02, 04:42 PM (EST)
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31. "Jenna" |
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BMH 845 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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12-04-02, 08:55 PM (EST)
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42. "RE: Vote change Vee" |
Don't worry Baquar it's a game lol Course I am secretly hoping Jenna stays and Brandon goes..your untitled to vote for whoever you want..You helped me in my S1 game and got Jenna to the Final 3..which I am thankful for..So it's alright PS: I am definitely on board to boot Hunter next in S4 Game..down with Hunter keep Sarah!
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johnthemod 423 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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12-04-02, 10:08 PM (EST)
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43. "RE: Vote change Vee" |
Well, whatever happens happens, Brandon already got voted off first on Ultimate, so his best chance is definitely in Surv III...And if Brandon goes this week, I won't be pushing for Jenna to go next, just so you know. I helped her get to the final three as well. I just like Brandon better, he's my nomination and all, and you gotta do what you gotta do. I should remember though, Brandon's the reason I could never be cast on survivor (we're both young, gay, attractive males from dallas). Jerkface. HA. Yeah, still don't vote him off, k? AND yaye for booting Hunter!
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johnthemod 423 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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12-04-02, 10:29 PM (EST)
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46. "RE: Vote change Vee" |
Well, you know, things can be arranged, if you change your vote here to Jenna. Who do you love more?
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BMH 845 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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12-04-02, 10:34 PM (EST)
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47. "ok here is my other wish..lol" |
Ok I will do it and I will try to get someone else to change also..if I can..I will like campaign lolBUT...you gotta promise NOT to vote for Vee the Next time the Ika Tribe goes to tribal council...AND you can't vote Vee on the S4 thread until the 8th vote..cuz I have pleaded on that thread for Vee to just make the jury and then you guys can boot her..that is my only wish..And in return I will also not vote Brandon ever again on S3 thread..until the final vote..deal?? If I hear from you..then I will sadly go change my vote from brandon to jenna...
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johnthemod 423 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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12-04-02, 10:42 PM (EST)
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48. "RE: ok here is my other wish..lol" |
Yeah I can do that. No problem. And I'll go change my vote on the Ultimate Thread for ya too, but just for this time.
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BMH 845 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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12-04-02, 10:56 PM (EST)
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51. "RE: ok here is my other wish..lol" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-04-02 AT 10:57 PM (EST)Thanks John!! Thanks to you too Baquar!! I hate to vote against jenna like that..cuz she is my girl...but to save Vee I had too....besides Jenna got to the final 3 in the S1 game and that is quite a accomplishment considering it's Jenna lol PS: I am up for trying to get kim p,brandon,and kelly to the finals!
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johnthemod 423 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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12-04-02, 11:28 PM (EST)
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53. "RE: Vote change Vee" |
My vote in Surv III is only one, and I've gotten one, maybe two, to not vote against Brandon over there, so the votes cancel each other out. Please change your vote back to Jenna and save Brandon. Thanks.
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Mapo 59 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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12-04-02, 05:12 PM (EST)
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32. "BRANDON" |
I kind of like Jenna she wasn't so bad but brandon screwed up big time in africa!
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rockluver 198 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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12-04-02, 06:15 PM (EST)
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33. "Jenna" |
I have no clue !!!
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johnthemod 423 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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12-04-02, 06:23 PM (EST)
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34. "AHHH!!! A helping hand?" |
I just need a few more people to vote for Jenna to save Brandon. I would do anything to help someone willing to change their vote or willing to add votes for Jenna to help me out. It's so close...and I'd be a good person to have on your side. I'll remember those who helped me out and help them out in the future when they need it.
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johnthemod 423 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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12-04-02, 07:28 PM (EST)
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37. "RE: AHHH!!! A helping hand?" |
It's a deal....ONLY if Brandon stays in this game this week. So if you change your vote to Jenna, which would make it 11 Brandon, 10 Jenna, and no one else votes Jenna or someone else votes Brandon or whatever, and he gets voted out first, then the deal is off. I think it's only fair because that way it won't have mattered that you changed your vote (but you have to change to Jenna) because Brandon will be gone from this game anyway. So, deal is, you change your vote in this game, and let's say also don't vote for him next round Tagi is up, and I don't vote against Kim P. in Surv III until the final two, UNLESS Brandon is voted out this round, in which case the deal is off. If Brandon is voted out the next time Tagi is up, that is not your fault, and the deal is still on. Sound fair?
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echogirl 2120 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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12-04-02, 08:10 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: AHHH!!! A helping hand?" |
This vote is totally unfair...lol! I nominated Jenna, so I can't vote for her. I like Brandon so I won't vote for him. It looks like Vee will escape so I lose either way! Oh well my support goes to whoever survives this vote!
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bubbastan 625 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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12-05-02, 01:17 AM (EST)
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59. "RE: AHHH!!! A helping hand?" |
Okay, johnthemod, I'll change my vote from Vee to Jenna, but you've got to promise to spare Neleh a vote when you get the chance. Besides, I want Brandon to stay longer too!
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johnthemod 423 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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12-05-02, 01:28 AM (EST)
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61. "RE: AHHH!!! A helping hand?" |
Thank you SOOO much. If this is updated now, which it should be, Brandon will be saved, thanks to you. I'll be glad to help you out with Neleh. I only have a few really strong favorites in S4, and one of them is Kathy, who most love, so I'll be glad to help others, especially when they are aiding me with Brandon or Tina. Can't wait til Surv 5, when I'll be having to fight like hell for Robb to get far.
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Speedy 75 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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12-04-02, 06:29 PM (EST)
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35. "Brandon" |
i hate to be evil Johnthemod lol...but brandon has gotta go..
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