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"Interesting strategy"
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"Interesting strategy" |
From the feeds, it appears that the "Girls" alliance has come up with an interesting strategy if the win HOH next time. Their plan is to put up 2 of their own - then have 6 of their own playing for POV. Pull someone off and put up Jase. They are discussing using Marvin or Will as the 6th - but I think if they win HOH next week - they will have 6 "safe" players.Adria, Will, Natalie, Karen, Nakomis, Diane. The plan could very well work. Whatda ya think? 
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08-03-04, 02:45 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
LOL - I was coming over to post this here - thanks for copying my post  I think if they win HOH next week - Jase is a goner.
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arkiegrl 9421 desperate attention whore postings
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08-03-04, 02:46 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
this is so funny! I told someone at work the other day that's what they should do!
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08-03-04, 02:50 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
I guess it depends on whether A's alliance teammates think that the addition of Natalie is a good or a bad thing. On the one hand, some of them (Will, possibly Nakomis) are smart enough to realize that she's a potential useful ally in the middle of the game and they can still team up to eliminate both A and Natalie later on. But I think some of the more emotional members like Karen and Diane may wig out, decide they can't trust A anymore and move to boot her instantly. 
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AugustGirl 11534 desperate attention whore postings
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08-03-04, 02:51 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
That is just brilliant! I love it. Guaranteed that Jase will not be able to take himself off of the block this time.It would definitely work. Someone has to win POV. HOH has to put up a replacement. Guaranteed to work. 
I pray one of the girls wins HOH this week.
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08-03-04, 02:53 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
Ok there is 10 in the house now - right so that would leave 7 to vote this week and next week with Natalie coming on board.The 4 Horseman will only be able to get 3 votes. hehe I'm so hoping one of them wins.
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08-03-04, 02:55 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
I actually thought about this myself because of the way the veto is being used. I think it's a good plan, but it never seems that 6 people are really going to stay on the same track. That way none of the horsemen can compete.Adria, Natalie, Will, Diane, Nakomis & Karen. Who thought of this plan? Only Adria still knows about Nat, right? 
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08-03-04, 03:10 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
LAST EDITED ON 08-03-04 AT 03:13 PM (EST)Right now, the #6 they're thinking about is MFMarvin. The rest about Natalie is speculation by the recapper.
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pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings
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08-03-04, 03:14 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
Yes - but my guess is that this plan will fail because I LOVE IT and my fav never gets far. Lets say the girls team wins - to save face and really make it look good - they put up Nadra and Natalie - unless of course she wins.Then one is saved but the slippery guys talk them into voting off Nad/Nat since she doesnt deserve to be there - I can see it happening.
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08-03-04, 03:36 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
Nakomis mentioned this strategy sometime in the first week or two. She was talking to Karen, Will and Lori, I believe, and they agreed it was a great idea. But, none of these have been HOH, and Lori's long gone, so it hasn't been implemented yet. ANYTHING to get Jase out of the house is okay with me. 
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08-03-04, 03:22 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
It depends on the reaction to natalie and wheteher or not her sudden appearance throws everybody off of their game.
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rileybbfan 53 desperate attention whore postings
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08-03-04, 03:31 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
i love the stategy, but have to think that the addition of Natalie is gonna to throw off several people. and with people in the house being so easily swayed as in the past, i can see the HOH going through with the plan but replacing the winner with a or n whoever doesn't win. then they team up with the 4 losers and vote off a twin. but here's a thought. what if they give n or maybe even a amunity next week, sorta like they did when they brought amy back in bb3. that might be another DNA twist they trow at the hg. then i know the hg would feel betrayed and feel it was unfair.
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Cookiehahnster 222 desperate attention whore postings
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08-03-04, 03:37 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
The plan is brilliant if everyone sticks to it. It renders the 4 HorsesAs*** completely powerless. They can't play for POV. The POV compition doesn't even have to take more than the time it takes for them to all quit and let WHOEVER have it, as only their allience members are even playing. Ingenius! But they all have to commit to it. Too bad they didn't think of it before. Jase wouldn't have POV as we speak. It would absolutely FLOOR them. They couldn't have even come up with the THOUGHT of this strategy.
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08-03-04, 03:54 PM (EST)
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17. "What about a twist" |
But rules change in reality tv sometimes at the last minute. What if Big Brither changed the rules to allow all houseguests to compete for the POV then the horsemen could win POV and not use it. Then an alliance member loses. If the girls and Will get a big advantage, they do not have to worry about which of the 4 horsemen is voted off, they still become closer to reaching their goal. I would just keep putting up Jase and another of the horsemen. Jase will not keep winning forever. 
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08-03-04, 05:03 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: What about a twist" |
I agree there could be a twist. The DNA (Do Not Assume) would probably kick in the minute the producers hear the one alliance talking about this. BB never likes to see one alliance get too strong. They will find a way to waffle it back and forth between sides of the house. So after they put up 2 of their own they could hear that the VETO has been changed in some way or even cancelled. And they would lose one of their own. I wouldn't trust BB to keep the rules the same all thru the game.
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08-03-04, 06:51 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: What about a twist" |
I agree with Seahorse and Loree. They'd be taking a big risk assuming the rule wouldn't change.Sounds good on the surface, but may not work out they way they think.
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Cookiehahnster 222 desperate attention whore postings
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08-04-04, 11:14 AM (EST)
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24. "RE: What about a twist" |
I don't see how it could be acceptable to change the rules. That renderes this entire game completely useless. Knowing the rules and object of a game is what makes it a game. If rules can be made up as they go along, there is no game. What if in Chess, or any game really, rules could be made up in case someone starts winning. It removes all skill and strategy and makes it pointless. It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If that's how it goes you might as well just all go in, toss a coin in the air, and go home.
About the original strategy. I was adding up the numbers and I came to a tie. Two of the girls are on the block, let's say Adria and Karen. Natalie is a moot point as of now, because no one knows about her. So, those two plus Diane pick a POV player. They pick Nakomis, Will and WHO? Am I missing someone?
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08-04-04, 12:29 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: What about a twist" |
Rules are changed all of the time on reality tv shows. Look at tiebreakers for survivor, look at players being brought back in a game that have already been eliminated, look at the Adria/Natalie situation where someone comes in a game after 5 weeks. The other houseguests have no idea. The reality tv show producers change rules all the time to make things interesting and keep audiences coming back. For them, there are no rules that can not be changed on a whim.
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BrassFan 326 desperate attention whore postings
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08-04-04, 12:36 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: What about a twist" |
>Rules are changed all of the
>time on reality tv shows. True...but at the same time, CBS is smart enough to realize that they can't change too much....after all, the whole point of the game is the creation of alliances and strategy of who to eliminate. If they punish a team for a brilliant strategy, people in the future won't be as willing to try something this dramatic....They'll keep doing the exact same thing as everyone else...and it will get boring. > Look at tiebreakers for survivor, One of the Survivor:All Stars contestants was asked about the dreaded "purple rock," and they said that they were told that it would be the tiebreaker. So, it's not like a rule was changed. They knew about that going in. >look at players being brought back in a game
>that have already been eliminated, look at
>the Adria/Natalie situation where someone
>comes in a game after 5 weeks. But, is that a rule change? Were the players ever told that no one would be coming into the game later? There's a difference between not telling the players something that will happen later, and telling them "this is how the game is played," and changing it. Monte
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08-04-04, 03:11 PM (EST)
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43. "RE: What about a twist" |
>Actually for the tiebreakier, I meant
>that the tie breaker rule
>wasw changed. First it
>was who had the less
>votes for eviction in previous
>weeks, then it was the
>purple rock, I do not
>believe they were forwarned of
>changes in the tie breaking
>rules. I just assumed that they were told what the tiebreaker would be. >I do not think that there was ever
>any mention at least on the Survivor
>All Stars that a purple rock would be
>used as a tie breaker. During the final 4, numerous times the castaways mentioned a two-two tie (Rupert/Jenna and Rob/Amber) and taking their luck with the purple rock.
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BrassFan 326 desperate attention whore postings
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08-04-04, 05:02 PM (EST)
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47. "RE: What about a twist" |
>Yeah, but I think they just
>assumed what the tie breaker
>would be. It was
>never stated by anyone from
>the show. Someone asked Jenna (I think it was), and she said that they were told by Probst earlier that the purple rock would be the tiebreaker. Monte
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Cookiehahnster 222 desperate attention whore postings
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08-04-04, 12:39 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: What about a twist" |
Tiebreakers aren't changing the rules. It's a rule from the beginning. Everyone knows what will happen in the event of a tie.
I can understand having these twists in the contract upfront and not letting the players know WHAT they are, but making sure they know ABOUT that possibility. But that's not changing the rules. I guess in this case they do know that twists will come in when you least expect them. But that's part of the game. It's like Dodgeball. It's actually making things up after the game has begun I think is wrong. JMO.
For example, in the card game UNO, you know that all these different scenerios can happen, and you can't predict when they'll come up. But what you can't change the rules of the game. The rules have to be the same and consistant for everyone throughout the entire game. You can't make a 2 of hearts mean one thing for one person, but something else for a different player when you don't like the way the game is going. That's all I'm saying.
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08-04-04, 01:04 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: What about a twist" |
The producers don't have to actually change a "rule" to change the game. All they would have to do is say, " From here on out, all the players will compete for power of Veto."The playing of POV challenges was changed from previous seasons, they could change it back at anytime. I am sure the players sign contracts knowing full well that CBS can make changes and throw in twists any time they want. 
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08-04-04, 01:17 PM (EST)
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34. "RE: What about a twist" |
Once again, buggy, I think you got it right on the money
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Cookiehahnster 222 desperate attention whore postings
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08-04-04, 01:26 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: What about a twist" |
But, for it to be fair, they should tell the players about the new POV BEFORE the next POV. That would make it acceptable to me. Any other way is, IMO, simply not right, and strips the game of any meaningful skill and strategy, and makes it not even a game anymore. It just makes it nonsensical.
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08-04-04, 02:24 PM (EST)
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40. "RE: What about a twist" |
I Don't know sure it's not fair to change the pov in the middle of the game, but it keeps everyone on their toes and makes the game more interesting. I mean really it would be boring if all thru the 13 weeks or however long it is all you see is the same ol same ol.
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08-04-04, 06:01 PM (EST)
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50. "RE: What about a twist" |
well I can see them changing the rules for the POV...just last HOH comp, they changed the rules mid game, first you could change hands, move your feet, then you could only use one hand to hold the button and finally, you couldn't move your feet at all...in my opinion so that Dianne could get HOH as Jase was already loosing it.
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Cookiehahnster 222 desperate attention whore postings
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08-04-04, 06:52 PM (EST)
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57. "RE: What about a twist" |
This is not at ALL what I mean by changing the rules. This is not changing the rules of "the game". This is simply upping the ante in an endurance comp, which is to be expected. It in no way undermines or manipulates the entire concept of the game making strategy a moot point. I'm talking about the main rules of the game. Like changing the rules of the ENTIRE POV concept. An example would be to all of the sudden, as the players are selecting POV players, tell the HG that ALL people can play for POV. Now, telling them that NEXT time all players will be playing is one thing. But without concrete rules, there is no point in having a game, as there can be no strategy built around any common concepts. It's just a free for all that makes no sense.
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08-05-04, 10:15 AM (EST)
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67. "RE: What about a twist" |
okay granted, the producers can say that the next time the POV is played all players will be playing, but the producers can announce that after HOH puts up the two nominees. This would screw up the girls if a)a girl or Will is HOH and b)two girls are put up for evicition. So yes, maybe not fair, but the producers can change the rules after the nominations are delivered but well before the POV game is played. Sorry, but for reality tv that's the way the cookie crumbles.
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Cookiehahnster 222 desperate attention whore postings
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08-05-04, 10:51 AM (EST)
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68. "RE: What about a twist" |
It doesn't have to crumble that way. You can have integrity in a game and have it be real. And I still think that telling them after POV nominations renders the game void of any strategy. Which after that, you have no game. You should tell them what the object IS so that they can use their brains in the game. That's what a game IS. Pitting one team against another. If the producers are going to play the game FOR them, what's the point? They would need to know the new rules BEFORE the particualer object of the game that it effects. Otherwise, they may as well just flip a coin once a week and see who goes home.
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08-04-04, 03:24 PM (EST)
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44. "RE: What about a twist" |
I get the first opposing view here.They're thinking they can switch MFMarvin, and use him as the 6th player.
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08-04-04, 12:33 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: What about a twist" |
I agree with what you are saying. Unfortunately Jase is a colorful character for BB, If Scott goes home this week and their plan works to put Jase up, BB would not have a character we love to hate left in the game. It wouldn't surprise me if BB changed the power of veto rules.
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08-05-04, 04:15 PM (EST)
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77. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
>It depends on the reaction to
>natalie and wheteher or not
>her sudden appearance throws everybody
>off of their game.
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I just quickly read through this thread, and I'm now even more intrigued with what might happen. I still believe that the biggest unknown is the impact of Natalie's entrance. It's not just adding a new player; it involves the deception of a trusted player. It will be an interesting indicator of how tense things have gotten to see the various reactions. Then, those of you with the live feed with have the advantage of seeing how things settle down during the following days.My guess is that things may be very chaotic for a while and all strategies will temporarily go on hold while people reassess or react, at least, to the new situation. But, then, maybe I'm giving them all too much credit!
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08-03-04, 03:28 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
That has the potential to be one of the most brilliant or most stupid moves ever. If they can hold the alliance together and pull it off then it will be a brilliant move. If the alliance breaks down or if BB throws in some other twist to foil their plan then it would go down as one of the most stupid moves ever. It would be a huge risk to whoever wins HOH.The fun part would be to see how long it would take the 3 Whoresmen (assuming Scott is evicted Thursday) to figure out the plan. I'm betting it would take right until the eviction.  "How 'bout a birdy? I got a little birdy right here."
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08-03-04, 03:39 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
It would take them until POV player selections. When they realize that NO ONE from their allience gets to play!
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08-03-04, 03:49 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
LAST EDITED ON 08-03-04 AT 03:50 PM (EST)yeah I'd think that's when they would figure it out too cookiehahnster. but, it could be sooner with all the great knowledge the 4h's hold. I mean, one of their own could be a brain doctor, or a neurosurgeon. Laughing at the 4 horseman 
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18. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
They need to keep the focus on the 4H. The safest way to play is to keep nominating 2 of the 4H each time until they are gone. Drew seems to be getting some slack here because he is well-liked, but HE IS STILL THE ENEMY in this game. What makes Jase so powerful is that he has numbers in voting, and Drew is one of those numbers. So, the girls must get rid of him if they want to win.If Jase is the only 4H left and still proves to win POV, then begin nominating allies, only to replace one of them with Jase after POV.
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Cookiehahnster 222 desperate attention whore postings
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08-03-04, 05:54 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
One of them could be a baby doctor too. Or a pediatrician.
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08-04-04, 01:14 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
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08-03-04, 05:06 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
Wow. Just... wow. If the alliance holds tight and CBS doesn't find a way to throw a monkey wrench into this, then this is going down as one of the greatest strategic moves in reality TV history. CBS worries me more than the alliance, though.
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08-03-04, 06:53 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
me too, Estee.
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08-04-04, 01:16 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
Oh lord, please, no more dinks or relatives of dinks!
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38. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
I think Kim's right (but then, I worship Kim and find her right about just about everything). It really isn't fair to simply add N. and bump up the ranks of the Girls/Will alliance, much as I prefer them to the Backstreet Boyz. Bringing back 1-2 bootees may bring parity (and heartburn) back into the game.I was happy when Amy came back and messed with Chiwhora's head; I guess the price to be paid will be the return of Holly, who messes with my head and makes neighborhood dogs howl. I can just sense it. 
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08-04-04, 02:13 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
~~**~~ (excuse me)I think and hate that you could be correct
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08-04-04, 02:32 PM (EST)
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42. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
nooooooooooooooooooooooooo, please noooo. Me to. That whole pawn getting evcited (so often) kills me.
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49. "newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
it always amazes me when I read this message boards quotes along the following lines..."the producers can't do X and Y cause then it would be unfair to the contestants" or.. "the producers can't just make up rules as they go along or else the viewers would get mad and stop watching" or... "you can't just change the rules of the game whenever you want...for instance, in chess (or any other game) you can't just change the way the pieces move or else it would ruin the whole game"
Uhm, let me explain a simple fact about reality tv that some of you obviously don't get. Here, I'll do it easy for you..I'll list in order of importance the priorities of the producers while making a reality game show..
1. Entertain
2. Entertain
3. Add drama
4. Entertain
5. Entertain
6. Entertain
7. put together a fair and just contest
And to be honest, I think I was being generous by putting #7 as high as I did.
You think that people will be upset and won't watch if you make the rules up as you go along, but that is completely untrue. As long as the producers give us drama and more drama every week, Joe TV viewer isn't going to even so much as notice let alone care what rules have been tinkered with.
And if you are watchign reality tv cause you enjoy the sporting aspect of it, then you're even dumber than some of the idiots they have participating on this show as contestants.
/much needed rant
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51. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
After reading your rant, hey guess what? I STILL think it's wrong to change rules in the middle of a GAME. By doing so you've made it a nonsensical joke with no rhyme or reason. It's impossible to play a true game if the rules are not understood. Now, if the producers tell you up front that there is no point in trying to play the game using any skill or strategy because it's impossible because we can change, remove, add or break the pieces anytime we want, fine. But, what's the point. It's like saying you can change the value of a hand in poker without telling anyone. It makes no sense. JMO.
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52. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
now, now...is someone still bitter about the rulles being changed in their own reality show
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08-04-04, 06:53 PM (EST)
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58. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
In their own reality show? Huh?
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63. "ironic, but no" |
>now, now...is someone still bitter about
>the rulles being changed in
>their own reality show
>...its funny, cause after LC I had a totally different perspective on this issue...when i was on the show obviously i was really upset about it cause I played it like a real game blah blah blah. And for a couple of years I kept that attitude. But, then we started to see how boring a reality show can be when a few players play the game much better than their competitors and we end up with variations of the pagong show. This coupled with the knowledge that 99.9% of the peoiple that go on these shows are doing it to get on TV rather than cause they love to play games has led me to my new attitude on this issue...... which is that first and formost, the producers have a duty to make the show as exciting and drama filled as possible, and if that includes changing the rules, bringing back exciting contestants who were already booted, or anything along those lines that is just fine with me as long as it makes the show more fun to watch. Also, these whores deserve whatever abuse they get for being such filthy media whores and signing up for this crap willingly...its not like a real sporting event where someone trained for years and years....the producers owe them absolutely nothing in terms of fairness. It took me a few years of watching reality tv to realize this, but once you realize this and accept it, it makes watching these shows a lot more enjoyable.
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53. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
BTW, should I report you for making a personal attack in your last sentence? Oh, and umm...not agreeing with YOU isn't what makes someone naive. In fact after reading your post I take great pride in the fact that I have a differing opinion than you : )
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55. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
Careful, he's an embittered ex-reality star But we love him. 
Big Brother 5, Ep9 summary is here, just for you.
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59. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
You're on to me. I'm Scott! Still mad about being kicked off the show!
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60. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
LAST EDITED ON 08-04-04 AT 07:48 PM (EST)Actually J slice waas referring to shakes who was on love cruise
edited due to the fact that I knew not what I spoke of tx for the correction
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61. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
The white zone is for loading and unloading only.
Psst... Oscirus? It was Love Cruise.
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54. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
Absolutely agree Shakes! If SeeBS thinks that a 6 person alliance is going to take control and ruin their little Power of Veto idea, well they will just change the PoV rules and let everybody compete.But an even more fundamental problem with the girls' strategy is that the "Girl Power" alliance hasn't exactly been sharp knives at winning these competitions. Six of the 8 competitions so far have been won by the 4 Horsemen, with only Nakomis and Diane breaking through at all. Jase alone has won HoH once and PoV twice! The really interesting question will be whether the producers try to stack the show in favor of keeping Adria and Natalie in by revealing their twist before the HOH and letting both compete or whether they will try to save Jase, easily the most entertaining houseguest, by tipping the competition toward something a male would be favored to win.
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56. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
Hi Sport!I enjoy making sport of the shows & their assorted casts/production people. Not very sporting of me, is it? Idiocy is a such a fine spectator sport to me, I can't resist!  "It's not the voting that's democracy; it's the counting." --Tom Stoppard, British playright.
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64. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
Yikes, you guys are really serious on this thread. I'd best watch my sarcastic yet altruisic self in here.
(Now go lay down...gooooood girl)Did I mention the personality disorder?
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66. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
lol...no no mouthie, that wasn't me, it was HER!
(Grrrrrr)(Tattletale)
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08-05-04, 02:37 PM (EST)
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70. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
I for once agree with shakes. It's entertainment and as long as I'm entertained I'm going to watch. I have no sympathy for any of these DAWS on BB. Reality tv games to real life games(UNO and tennis)just aren't the same thing. Reality tv games have to entertain the masses to survive and that means shaking things up so people will stay glued to the tube. I love to see the look of shock when a new twist is introduced.
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08-05-04, 02:43 PM (EST)
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72. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
While I believe in the unalienable right of producers to mess with our heads and the "minds" of their hamsters, at some point new rulerly renders the game incomprehensible. For example, refreshing as it might be, if Survivor brought back each and every eliminated player at the end, and then made the television viewers pick a winner out of the entire initial pool, it would render the series unwatchable. Frankly, I like it when they change the rules when it pleases me (e.g., Amy returns and Chiapet burns) and I don't like it when it doesn't (Shakes was robbed, robbed I tell you, on LC).
The order of Banana delivery should be organized by location to save on shipping costs.
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74. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
I totally agree with what your saying but I have yet to feel that way about any of the rule changing that has been done so far. I don't put BB in the same category as Survivor or TAR. To me BB is a weak game(how many times has the format,rules been changed since BB1) and I watch it more for the outrageous behavior than any gaming.
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76. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
LAST EDITED ON 08-05-04 AT 04:01 PM (EST)Changing the rules of a game in general is not the same as changing a rule AS the players are playing based on the rules 5 minutes ago. It's like in a game of checkers. If I move diagonal because that's in the rules. Then after I move they say, you can't make that move. Well, either you can or you can't. Next time we play we'll make it where you can't. But we've already established a basic set of rules for THIS round. Either you can move diagonally, or you can't. You can't have it both ways. I could even understand if I was told that on YOUR NEXT MOVE, you can't move diagonally anymore (isnt' that what I just said?). At least that would make some kind of sense. That's all I'm saying. I'm all for twists. But the game has to make sense. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE BB. It's by FAR my fave reality show. But even someone as dumb as Jase knows that a game is based on an agreed set of basic rules. And of course this set of rules needs to put players in ironic and contradictory positions for them to be game worthy. Otherwise you have deemed skill and strategy a moot point and there is no game. That's all I'm saying. WOOHOO, I can't wait for tonight's show!
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08-05-04, 04:20 PM (EST)
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78. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
This is because we are both brilliant.
But you knew that.
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75. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
>new rulerly renders
>the game incomprehensible. Exactly.
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79. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
LAST EDITED ON 08-05-04 AT 04:32 PM (EST)Personally I believe as long as the show is entertaining that people will watch. It may not be fair that Natalie will get to enter the house tonight (and maybe some people thought it unfair that Nic and CB turned out to be brother and sister), yet the whole game's premise has always been "expect the unexpected". If I went onto any one of these reality shows I would have to expect ANYTHING to happen. Hence the DNA twist this year standing for "Do Not Assume". You shouldn't assume that BB will be played the same way this year as it has been in previous seasons. For instance I would have hated going into a house and being stuck with one of my ex-boyfriends like what happened to some people last season on BB. I also personally would not want someone bringing in their idential twin into a reality show that's already 5 weeks underway, but the producers are clearly within their rights to add any sort of twists that they wish to their own reality show. (Look at the outcast twist on Survivor or bringing back Amy on BB3). If the viewing audience doesn't like the twist they don't have to watch, but generally speaking these twists only get people MORE interested in the show and consequently talking about whether it was fair or not for the producers to add that type of twist. All this makes for better ratings, which is what reality tv (and all tv) is really all about. Not about being fair to the audience or the participant. Heck, look at Joe Schmo. The whole darn thing is a lie to the participant involved. Think how they must feel afterwards. But people watch it, and that is the point. p.s. In reponse to Nailbone's original post, I really do think it's a great strategy that the girl's have come up with to actually get rid of Jase. Although I will be curious to see if they can actually make it pan out, or if they'll even want to once they learn of Natalie entering the house. Guess we have all gotten a little sidetracked from the original message! (hee, hee)
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81. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
I will second that.
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85. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, me too.
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08-05-04, 06:57 PM (EST)
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88. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
I don't think anyone has posted in this thread that the game should be played the same as previous seasons.
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84. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
>If I went onto any one
>of these reality shows I
>would have to expect ANYTHING
>to happen. Hence the
>DNA twist this year standing
>for "Do Not Assume".
>You shouldn't assume that BB
>will be played the same
>way this year as it
>has been in previous seasons. I wouldn't assume anything going into a reality show/game either...However, I agree that the way it's been played in previous seasons should be no indicator on how it's played this season. The question, though...is, will it be played tomorrow the same way as today. >For instance I would have hated
>going into a house and
>being stuck with one of
>my ex-boyfriends like what happened
>to some people last season
>on BB.
>
>I also personally would not want
>someone bringing in their idential
>twin into a reality show
>that's already 5 weeks underway,
>but the producers are clearly
>within their rights to add
>any sort of twists that
>they wish to their own
>reality show. (Look at
>the outcast twist on Survivor
>or bringing back Amy on
>BB3). All of those were planned by the show ahead of time, not done simply because they didn't like the way the show was going. The real problem with changing the rules in the middle of the game to affect a certain outcome are twofold: 1) Participants can make it very nasty in the media when they complain that the game was changed simply to pick a certain winner, and the others didn't have a fair shot...Probably legal action could be taken.....Even if there is a clause in the contract that says they can change the rules at any time, no one wants the negative press of a lawsuit... 2) Much more importantly, it hurts future seasons of the game. If, for example, they were to change the POV rules in order to render the girls' plan to evict Scott useless....Then why would future groups try to evict a person they didn't like? After all, CBS can change the rules if they don't want the person we want to evict kicked out....So, why plan to evict them? Personally, I don't think CBS would penalize the girls for their unorthodox strategy...After all, that's what you want in a reality show...Someone thinking well outside the norm...Isn't SNEAKINESS what we all want to see? If they can/do pull off their plan, it would be the best plan I can recall in a reality show.....
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86. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
Excellent points...I do love the sneakiness, can't help it
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08-05-04, 07:01 PM (EST)
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89. "everything you said is 100% wrong...." |
>The real problem with changing the
>rules in the middle of
>the game to affect a
>certain outcome are twofold:
>
>1) Participants can make it very
>nasty in the media when
>they complain that the game
>was changed simply to pick
>a certain winner, and the
>others didn't have a fair
>shot.......name me even one instance besides Stacey Stillman where this has occured? You can't, because it has never happened. Unless it involves voting tampering ala Stacey Stillman, the media isn't gonna give a crap about any midstream rules changes. For one, reality shows explicity state that they reserve the right to change the show whenever they want. Further, media takes reality tv about as serious as a game of war between 7 year olds. Nobody except delusionally reality tv addicts with too much time on their hands cares about the outcome of a reality show 3 minutes after the final credits have rolled on the final episode. And lastly, and probably most importantly, ALL of these DAW's think that this is going to be a stepping stone to Hollywood stardom and the last thing they want to do is rock the boat and burn bridges with the network. That's probably the biggest reason no has and no one ever will complain after the show is over. Probably legal action could be
>taken.....Even if there is a
>clause in the contract that
>says they can change the
>rules at any time, no
>one wants the negative press
>of a lawsuit... ...you answered your own question there. Because there is a clause in the contract legal action can NOT be taken. The only exception would be jury tampering. But rules changes are explicity allowed at ANY time in the game. And don't kid yourself about the negative press...as I stated before, the press doesn't care. And if anyone does complain to the press, I can guarantee that the media would put a spin on the story along the lines of "reality tv sore loser still crying about loss".
>
>2) Much more importantly, it hurts
>future seasons of the game.
..no it doesn't, never has. Just ask Mark Burnett.
> If, for example, they
>were to change the POV
>rules in order to render
>the girls' plan to evict
>Scott useless....Then why would future
>groups try to evict a
>person they didn't like?
>After all, CBS can change
>the rules if they don't
>want the person we want
>to evict kicked out....So, why
>plan to evict them? ....you make no sense here. Obviously, someone who had that attitude about the game wouldn't waste their time applying to be on the show.
>
>Personally, I don't think CBS would
>penalize the girls for their
>unorthodox strategy...After all, that's what
>you want in a reality
>show...Someone thinking well outside the
>norm...Isn't SNEAKINESS what we all
>want to see?
...not exactly. What we all want to see is drama. If sneakiness leads to drama then that is good, but if it leads to pagonging that is a no no.
If
>they can/do pull off their
>plan, it would be the
>best plan I can recall
>in a reality show..... ...great, and when they invent a Reality TV Hall of Fame, you can be the first to nominate it for induction.
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91. "RE: everything you said is 100% wrong...." |
"....name me even one instance besides Stacey Stillman where this has occured? You can't, because it has never happened."He said it COULD happen. If it hasn't yet, that in no way takes away the fact that it is possible. "For one, reality shows explicity state that they reserve the right to change the show whenever they want." Changing the show is one thing, changing the actual rules is another. That just de-games it and makes it nonsensical. "And lastly, and probably most importantly, ALL of these DAW's think that this is going to be a stepping stone to Hollywood stardom and the last thing they want to do is rock the boat and burn bridges with the network. That's probably the biggest reason no has and no one ever will complain after the show is over." Not true. Irene McGee sued, if she didn't actually sue, she took her bad-mouthing on the road, over the non-reality of The Real World and her experience on the show. "...not exactly. What we all want to see is drama. If sneakiness leads to drama then that is good, but if it leads to pagonging that is a no no."
Says you. Many would not all together agree.
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92. "RE: everything you said is 100% wrong...." |
....name me even one instance besides Stacey Stillman where this has occured? You can't, because it has never happenedHeres one that happened recently Dan Naturman-Last comic Standing
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98. "RE: everything you said is 100% wrong...." |
>....name me even one instance besides
>Stacey Stillman where this has
>occured? You can't, because
>it has never happened. No..it hasn't...But I didn't say it had. I said that they COULD make it nasty, not that they had. >...you answered your own question there.
> Because there is a
>clause in the contract legal
>action can NOT be taken. I don't know how you can put a clause in a contract that legal action can NOT be taken. What does it say? No matter what we do, you can't sue us? No....it probably says that they reserve the right to change the rules at any time...but a cast member could still sue...Most good lawyers know that a contract isn't worth the paper it's written on...There is always a way to sue.... >The only exception would
>be jury tampering. But
>rules changes are explicity allowed
>at ANY time in the
>game. Hmm...so, tell me the difference between tampering with the jury to get a certain outcome or changing the rules to guarantee a certain outcome. >....you make no sense here.
>Obviously, someone who had that
>attitude about the game wouldn't
>waste their time applying to
>be on the show. That was exactly my point. If the future players don't feel that they have a chance to win the game, they won't want to be on the show....and then they have no show...Or, a very boring one, at the very best....Because the better strategists won't be there. >...not exactly. What we all
>want to see is drama.
> If sneakiness leads to
>drama then that is good,
>but if it leads to
>pagonging that is a no
>no. How on Earth can there be drama when CBS says, "Hey everyone..Jase is going to win." (Which is exactly what they'd be doing if they changed the rules to prevent his eviction) >...great, and when they invent a
>Reality TV Hall of Fame,
>you can be the first
>to nominate it for induction. I'll have to remember that, because I'm sure there will be a Reality TV Hall of Fame someday...
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90. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
Finally. The voice of reason!
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87. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
Twists are twists. Rules are rules. I'm all for twists.
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83. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
Exactly Ginger...when reality tv (never to be mistaken for reality btw) pisses me off, I still watch...just pissed. However, when I approve of their whimsical changeups, I am please and somewhatsmug...heh heh. Howver, they have never once asked my opinion...silly fools.
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93. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
Somewhere Brad Pitt is pulling his undies out of his crack as he passes gas...take it from someone who has been through the process, you have no legal recourse at this point in reality TV, short of you being beheaded during chopper falling on the Big Brother house during aerial photography sessions. If you are stupid enough to believe anyone cares what happens in the "real world" then you must live in a TV show. Lessons learned have convinced producers to legally firm up the right to do anything they want during the production of the show and contestants have zero say or recourse, as well they should, it's entertainment not BINGO.
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95. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
Who said they care about what happens in "The Real World"?
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99. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
Gotta agree with you, too, thread(?)(who be you?) But isn't that Jase's head Brad is pulling out of his nethers?
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08-06-04, 03:04 PM (EST)
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100. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
>Lessons learned have convinced producers to
>legally firm up the right
>to do anything they want
>during the production of the
>show and contestants have zero
>say or recourse, as well
>they should, it's entertainment not
>BINGO. It's entertainment, yes....But, it's also a contest. And, as soon as potential contestants and fans get the idea that it's a rigged contest, some of the appeal will be lost.... That is something that the production staff has to always factor in as they try to drive the game in the direction they want...They can't push too hard, or they risk alienating their audience.
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bdemoney 745 desperate attention whore postings
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08-06-04, 03:31 PM (EST)
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101. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
LAST EDITED ON 08-06-04 AT 04:00 PM (EST)Ok. I really must get something off my chest here. First of all this is a flipping t.v. show. There is no need to get so serious about what the producers can and can not do on their own show. If they want to rig every contest (like I think they have done several times before, for example last season when Justin won HOH by answering a question only HE would know the answer to...about Ally), they can do so. It's that simple. If people who watch the show no longer want to watch the show because of it being rigged then that is their own prerogative. I just think some people on this board are being way too serious and uptight about an issue that doesn't affect them personally. If the contestants complain that it is unfair or skewed in someone's favor then that is certainly their right. If you think that the show is unfair or rigged in some way then you have the option of turning off your t.v. and not watching it. It seems that you must still find the show entertaining and worth watching (rigged or not) or you would not be here writing about it. I just wish everyone would lighten up and realize it is just a freakin' show! Ok, I feel much better now that I have had my say. Please know that this is just my own personal opinion. I am not trying to change anyone else's point of view (since that will obviously not happen) but just thought I needed to remind people to relax a bit. Especially about situations over which they have no control... p.s. Somehow this whole thread has gotten completely sidetracked from it's original post which is whether or not it is a good strategy for the girls to nominate two of their own this week or not, to try and get Jase out of the house. Sorry Nailbone....
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Cookiehahnster 222 desperate attention whore postings
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08-06-04, 04:00 PM (EST)
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102. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
And it seems that you take other people's opinions way too seriously. Six paragraphs about it? I think someone needs to practice what they preach. You have the option of not reading these posts too, do you not?
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Cookiehahnster 222 desperate attention whore postings
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08-06-04, 07:48 PM (EST)
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106. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
As long as he/she doesn't bash anyone else for doing the same, which it seemed like he/she was doing.
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08-06-04, 11:57 AM (EST)
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97. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
Shakes is right, this show is for entertainment, it's not a game show.After the twin twist last night, Jase and Marvin mumbled about the integrity of the game being breeched, and then they quickly came around to it being "good tv", and not a game show. They even used those exact words. They're there for exposure, pure and simple. The game in secondary.
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RyrieRae 416 desperate attention whore postings
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08-06-04, 07:44 PM (EST)
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105. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
so... back to ahem, reality. Is it a clever idea, yes. is it a risky idea, yes.I say, keep nominating Jase and one of your own until Jase is gone. It will happen at some point. If Jase is the only horseman left, is nominated, and wins POV to remove himself, freakin' evict on of your own. It's going to have to come down to that sooner or later. And if Jase lasts to the end, God bless the person left sitting next to him, beause they will win this game. Their plan was to remove Jase from power, and this has already happened. The numbers officially do not play in his favor.
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vixie 727 desperate attention whore postings
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08-06-04, 09:07 PM (EST)
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109. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
Sounds good to me, Rae, and most logical.
BTW let's all take a deep breath (dang, dog! Get outta here, whew!) Okay, deep breath...exhale 2, 3, 4 and relax...lighten up a little.
You don't want me to come in there. My paddle is loaded and I know how to use it.
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Cookiehahnster 222 desperate attention whore postings
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08-06-04, 07:50 PM (EST)
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107. "RE: newsflash to the idiotically naive...." |
LAST EDITED ON 08-06-04 AT 07:51 PM (EST)No one knows that. ALL of them? We're not qualified to make that judgement call.
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08-06-04, 08:50 PM (EST)
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108. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
It may be risky, but it is a bit smarter than Diane's nominations. I could not believe the stupidity of this woman. The way (IMHO) it should go down is for CB and Drew to be put up and tell them that whoever uses the POV will be responsible for putting out Jase. Jase will try to get them to not use it, the other two will split with Jase over his attitude. Eviction is only one way of splitting an alliance, causing dissention (sp?) is just as effective and much more entertaining. And the bonus, another of the Hoursemen are guaranteed to be evicted.
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Glass 381 desperate attention whore postings
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08-07-04, 01:52 PM (EST)
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111. "RE: Interesting strategy" |
Wow mrldstrm, well conceived!-Glass
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