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"S10 Promo Vid Caps"
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"S10 Promo Vid Caps" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-16-04 AT 06:06 PM (EST)Thanks to SurvivorFever for these vidcaps from the finale Promo for S10...http://www.survivorfever.net/vc_s10.html    
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
  
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JP: Here's a sneak peek of where we're going next. It started in Borneo and over the past nine seasons Survivor has visited some of the most exotic lands on Earth. Places like Australia, Kenya, Thailand, The Amazon and Vanuatu. But now a group of new castaways will travel to the most stunning location yet, the islands and waters of Palau, a place that some have called the Eighth Natural Wonder of the World. A tropical setting of stunning islands. Dense jungles and an underwater world beyond belief. It was in this part of the world that war raged in the 1940s. Today the remains and wreckage of the war haunt these waters and jungles like ghosts of a violent past. An eerie mix of man's explosive history and nature's power to reclaim. It is here that 20 new castaways will be abandoned. From the beginning the game will be changed in a dramatic way. Everything the Survivors have come to expect will be wiped in the first 10 minutes. Who will outwit, outplay and outlast all the others to become the sole Survivor? The adventure begins with the premiere of Survivor: Palau.
It's interesting that there is no mention of the local culture. The theme for S10 will apparently deal more with the history of the area during WWII and the "Ghosts of a violent past" that haunt the waters and wreckage...
The vidcaps showing tanks, artillary, sunken ships, etc. seem to be setting the stage for S10. They may very well be the framework upon which the challenges will be built, with the war related history of the area during WWII, the backdrop for the story being told during S10.
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1. "Oars and Paddles?" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-16-04 AT 06:04 PM (EST)The vidcaps showing various paddles and boats have the most potential spoiler value at this early stage…  
These shots show a boat being “paddled”, rather that “rowed”. The paddle is a different design than the oars shown in other vidcaps. It appears there may be a backpack in the boat.
 
This shot shows a paddle or oar with two stripes on the end. On the left side of the frame we may see another paddle perhaps from a second boat.
These shots show a third type of paddle/oar. Because of their length, we can assume these are “oars”. They could be used in pairs or individually (like in a rowboat).
This shot, from below, appears to show a boat with ten oars. There are either 5 or ten people in the boat depending on how big the boat is…
If there’s a WWII theme, the show could start out with two “lifeboats” with 10 people in each, each paddling 1 oar…
Some of these vidcaps could be from later challenges… Or there could be four different boats with 5 survivors in each… Let the spoiling begin…
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12-16-04, 06:59 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Oars and Paddles?" |
Looking closer at this shot we see a very wide boat and the oars going in various directions at the same time. There does not appear to be any kind of coordination between "pairs" of oars, that one might expect to see if there were five people rowing in unison. The width of the boat would also make it difficult for individuals to control two oars...so there are most likely 10 people in this boat; one person at each oar.Is this half of the twenty new contestants? If so, the slate of contestant expectations is not "wiped" clean until after they arrive on the beach...because there's nothing new about starting out in two boats and paddling to shore.
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12-16-04, 07:11 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Oars and Paddles?" |
Is this half of the twenty new contestants? If so, the slate of contestant expectations is not "wiped" clean until after they arrive on the beach...because there's nothing new about starting out in two boats and paddling to shore.It could be that each boat contains two tribes of five people, as others have suggested, and which they find out before they get in the boats. Then once they get to shore, the tribes must separate and find their respective camps. 
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8. "What do they expect?" |
"Everything the Survivors have come to expect will be wiped in the first 10 minutes.The voiceover describes a change in the game that is different than what the "Survivors have come to expect". What exactly is that? If we figure out the expectations and remove them, will that leave us with the new game format for S10? The survivors will expect...
...to be divided into teams.
...to be given a map guiding them to their respective camps.
...to be stranded with only the the barest of essential supplies.
...to have to try and make fire.
...to compete to win fire as a reward.
...reward challenges and immunity challenges. Which of these expectations can be wiped out in the first 10 minutes? What kind of change to the game would achieve that? MB loves to experiment with human behavior in his laboratory called Survivor...what new refinement will be introduced in S10? It seems to me that the expectations that can be wiped out during the first 10 minutes of the show must have to do with dividing into teams and finding their camps and supplies. In S10 MB may simply abandon the 20 survivors WITHOUT any clear instructions at all. They may be given two boats for 20 people and told to "abandon ship", left to wonder about how the tribes might be divided later or if they will divide at all...we saw the assumptions ShiiAnn made and MB would probably love to watch the group dynamics of 20 Survivors full of expectations making assumptions that may or may not be correct... So, the scenario that would wipe out what they have come to expect is... 20 survivors told to abandon ship.
No buffs handed out, no tribes predetermined.
No camps assigned, no map telling them where to go.
No basic supplies waiting at camp, no idea what the first few days will hold... In this scenario, leaders will emerge, alliances will start to form, outcast will be identified, and assumptions will be made. In addition, ALL the players would get to know each other much earlier in the game than usual. The dynamics would be interesting to watch and may help discourage Pagonging later in the game. After a day or two JP would show up, and perhaps a challenge would be used to eliminate a few players or divide the contestants into tribes and the game could once again follow the time tested formula of two challenges and a TC per episode.
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12-16-04, 07:38 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: S10 Promo Vid Caps" |
But now a group of new castaways will travel to the most stunning location yet, the islands and waters of Palau, a place that some have called the Eighth Natural Wonder of the World. A tropical setting of stunning islands. Dense jungles and an underwater world beyond belief. So, what you really mean is it's exactly like every other season? Oh wait, this isn't Bashers. 
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12-17-04, 12:55 PM (EST)
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6. "Calling all resident editors" |
A few pics & thoughts I found interesting of significant moments of the upcoming season?Animals: an eel (to sting you), a shark (to eat you), a turtle (to slow you down), a school of fish (a team of followers), a crocodile (be wary of this survivor) An eerie mix of man's explosive history and nature's power to reclaim. - Help!, VS!?! Describing a former war fought between men and now the gentle unmoveable unshakeable strength of mother nature takes over and moves toward the natural course of events. What, Rudyard Kipling describing a Pagonging?!  Can you hear it? It’s a Syren.
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12-17-04, 01:06 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Calling all resident editors" |
I agree that this boat contains 10 people, but remember in Thailand, they didn't know their tribes until they showed up at the beach and the elders played "school-yard-pickem."I just point this out to say that the Survivors may not be in teams as they are paddling to shore.
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12-21-04, 12:33 PM (EST)
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10. "Military Theme " |
LAST EDITED ON 12-21-04 AT 12:39 PM (EST)The new buff for S10 confirms our speculation of a military theme.
Compliments of SFever (found by Wezzie)
View it here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/virtualvanuatu/
 The promo featuring WWII wreckage, and now the camo buff, strongly suggest a military theme that we can probably expect to be the framework for challenges as well...bayonett coconut chop, hand grenade toss, diving to retrieve stuff from sunken PT Boats, boot camp style obstacle course, etc.. 
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12-21-04, 12:46 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Military Theme " |
Great find, Krautboy! Who is that modeling the buff? A player or a CBS employee? Check the logo on the cloth with the sharks and the plane wreckage as well!With possibly 2 tribes of ten, perhaps they are going for an all out war. If one tribe is green the other could be khaki? I wonder if the car giveaway will be a hummer? ....too bad Sarge isn't here to play this one! 
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12-21-04, 02:38 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Military Theme " |
Maybe the first challenge is a capture-the-flag type thing. Or paintball. KB, going back to your list of 'things they expect'...
Maybe the thing that is changed is the supplies but not that they have few or none but that they have a lot. I saw elsewhere that Scuba diving experience was an asset for the contestants. Suppose that following the military theme, the 2 (maybe 4) tribes are two sides of a war and that that governs the dynamics of the game. Thus, they are each given standard military issue xxx (clothing? canteen, paintball rifle?, rope, rations and other such gear so that the 'survival' aspect, which never gets a lot of play from what we see on tv, is lessened).
Also, elimination may involve one tribe capturing another tribe's member and keeping them as a P.O.W. (another potential ghost tribe?). Thus, 'popularity' is perhaps less of a factor which would be something else they wouldn't expect. Some challenges would be standard tasks: reconnaissance, secure perimeter. Others would be confrontational: capture-the-flag, etc. I guess the question is whether, the rules are sufficiently changed that this really represents a different reality show that just happens to use the same moniker of Survivor because of its popluarity or if the rules are merely tweaked somewhat (kind of like introducing the DH in baseball) Just thinking out loud. 
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12-21-04, 03:05 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Military Theme " |
>If one tribe is green the other could be khaki?
Or navy blue, or air force grey,...>I wonder if the car giveaway will be a hummer?
Well bummer, then I'll be playing for another hat, thank you very much Wreck diving would be the ulitmate challenge in this location... (I'm a wreck diver myself, and this location looks awesome from that angle. Seriously though, for wreck penetration with scuba gear everybody would have to have advanced certification. But they could still do some breath holding stuff on shallow wrecks without penetrating wrecks.) >Your new siggie addition looks mighty fine on you, KB!
So, we have another thresd to show off... 
Close but no car...
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12-21-04, 03:13 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Military Theme " |
Nice Siggie KB and forehead! I keep seeing your siggies and I say to myself...they are using my siggie! I like the ideas you guys have explained and I also like capture the flag. Since we are running with the military aspect would there be some special way of starting the game with a military entrance? Just curious what you guys think. 
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12-22-04, 08:40 AM (EST)
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17. "RE: Military Theme " |
Yes... EPMB is playing toward this patriotic time in our country when our beloved soldiers are off fighting around the world protecting our freedom. (A BIG THANKS TO ALL YOU MILITARY PERSONNEL OUT THERE). I noticed in the close up of the buff, the differentiation between the rocky islands (LAND) and the underwater scene (SEA). I am wondering about the significance of this depiction that separates the two environments and if it symbolizes anything about how the game will be played. Maybe the two tribes will be separated out like this as well -- Land & Sea. Just a thought. Colors could be green=land and blue=sea. 
BTW, what does EP in front of MB stand for?Scarlett
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12-22-04, 12:05 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: Military Theme " |
BTW, what does EP in front of MB stand for?That would be E for Evil and P for a pointy thing that sticks out of men's underwear. BTW, good thoughts on Navy vs Army. Therefore the merged tribe would be amphibian? Can you hear it? It’s a Syren.
Gotta keep this PG-13 folks! And you're welcome for the mental picture that will forever scar you. For S10, picture it in camouflage.
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12-22-04, 12:17 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Military Theme " |
BTW, what does EP in front of MB stand for?I think it's Evil Pr!ck -- Elroy Jetson
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12-27-04, 03:12 AM (EST)
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20. "Green, Brown and Blue" |
Along with the green camo buff posted by KB. I also seems we have 2 more colors to add. From SurvivorFever.
Brown and Blue. 3 tribes?
or is one of them the merge color?  Sn'DCS©MMIV
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12-27-04, 08:21 AM (EST)
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21. "RE: Green, Brown and Blue" |
3 tribes of 6.666 each? LMAO! Seriously though, if there are only two colors for the beginning tribes and one merge tribe color then the number of tribes isn't a twist. Maybe they are hiding a color from us and don't want to give away a twist. I hope so...2 tribes of 10 will be so confusing and hard to keep up with the peeps until it gets down to about 12 peeps in the game.
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12-27-04, 08:29 AM (EST)
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22. "RE: Green, Brown and Blue" |
Have they ever shown us the buff color so early? I doubt that they would show the merge buff color this early, and I also doubt that it would be three tribes since they wouldn't be even.Hmmmm...But it certainly looks to be an interesting military theme. 
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12-27-04, 09:49 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: Green, Brown and Blue" |
Well, it depends on who "they" are. ;)But yes, the buffs (and tribe colors) for Pearl Islands were spoiled pre-game by Griffe. She knew all 3 colors and had a picture of the Drake buff long before the premiere. There are rumors of a fourth buff color.
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30. "RE: Green, Brown and Blue" |
I'm thinking the other color(if there is one) would be orange and then the merge color could be gray/black
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45. "RE: Green, Brown and Blue" |
Combining what I've read so far (good job spoiling , guys) Perhaps, the 20 contestants are dropped off at one location and not told which teams they are on. After about a day of cohabitating, they all show up at their first challenge which eliminates two people, at which point they are divided into the typical two teams (leaving one of the buffs for a merge), or divided into 3 teams (leaving the merge buff a mystery.) Jeff said the first ten minutes will change the game. Does this mean THEIR first ten minutes, or OUR first ten minutes? If the ten minutes is TV time, my scenario could play out, and be perhaps the biggest twist of the game.*I realize that some of the spoiler information mentioned in this post has already been mentioned. I was not rewriting it to take credit, but to offer a possibilty for the teams/buffs ratio. Happy spoiling!
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12-21-04, 02:21 PM (EST)
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12. "Military Theme -- Farenheit 911" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-21-04 AT 02:23 PM (EST)I was laughing seeing the military theme when I remembered a scene recently from Michael Moore's movie Farenheit 911 when he is making fun of the military might of some of the 40 countries contributing troops in Bush's "coalition of the willing" against Iraq. He singles out the "Island Nation of Palau" and shows some tribal chief leading a group of islanders with spears. Perhaps they start out with 20 so that they can send 2 to Iraq and the other 18 compete in the game.
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12-29-04, 06:02 PM (EST)
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25. "Military Theme - Ranks?" |
What if the military theme included ranks among the players? Forcing a rank structure at the outset of the game might make things pretty interesting and would be a huge deviation from anything ever done before. Being a leader gives you unique decision making power, a leadership role in challenges and immunity. Each platoon would want to pick their best leader because the survival of the platoon will depend on how well that person performs for the team, but we all know that leadership can be lethal. A majority vote of the platoon members can change the leadership roll and strip the leader of their immunity. Caveman
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12-30-04, 04:05 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Military Theme - Ranks?" |
This would be really interesting. I argue, though, that it has never been done before. Although not as extreme as you mentioned, they somewhat tapped in to this procedure in Vanuatu. At the beginning of the season they split the teams based on cultural rank (men vs. women) and even during the show, they allowed the teams to select leaders, or "chiefs" as they called it (Sarge and Scout).None the less, I think a more structured ranking could be really interesting and entertaining, especially if this is a military themed season like we suspect. If done properly, it could be very fair and game-altering. This would fit into Jeff's statement that the first ten minutes would change the the game for the contestants from what they've previously come to expect.
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27. "RE: Military Theme - Ranks?" |
Here's what I'd like to see. A game where prior to the merge, each tribe (or platoon) has to select a leader every three days. That leader would be their shot caller during the reward challenge. The entire tribe would have to work together to win the reward, but the leader would play a critical role on the team during the challenge. Kind of like the Sarge calling out the location of the puzzle pieces to the blind teammates. Or maybe once all the puzzle pieces are gathered the leader has to assemble the puzzle by themself. Some key componant that puts a lot of weight on that leader's shoulders. And then for all tribal immunity challenges prior to the merge, the leader must compete one-on-one against the leader of the other tribe. The losing leader takes their tribe to Tribal Council, but has personal immunity as payment for their efforts in the challenges. In that game the tribes have to keep their strongest competetors in order to have any chance at all of surviving. Term of service for a leader is three days. New elections are held the morning after each TC. Now that would change the dynamic of the game, and put it back to an environment more consistent with the original 'survival of the fittest' premise. I spoke recently with a friend from Vanuatu and he tells me that the producers were promising a very different kind of game next season. Caveman
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28. "RE: Military Theme - Ranks?" |
<I spoke recently with a friend from Vanuatu and he tells me that the producers were promising a very different kind of game next season.>I always take statements like this with a grain of salt. They (the producers) are going to say anything they can to sell the next season. Sometimes they deliver, sometimes they don't. I guess what I'm saying is that I'll have to see it to believe it. I do, however, like your theory about Tribal Leaders playing an important role and switching every three days. This would break up the monotany of alliances and pagonging.
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31. "More location information" |
Survivor Maps: http://www.claycritters.com/map/survivor_10_map.htm
Article: http://www.claycritters.com/map/survivor_10_alii.htmAlii Survivor Palau!
By Dan and Wezzie, Survivor Maps
December, 2004 The tenth Survivor series will showcase the beauty and diversity of Palau’s undersea world. Several cast members were certified in SCUBA, and during the game, two were rewarded with an excursion aboard a dive boat. The survivors may have jumped from the cliffs at Nikko Bay, snorkeled in Jellyfish Lake, searched for "The Lost Fleet of the Rock Islands", or secured with a reef-hook, a Palauan invention, watched sharks, barracuda and sea turtles glide by on the current. Survivor’s camera crew remarked that the scenery in Palau was spectacular -- the best they'd ever seen! Survivor fans will see it for themselves when the series premieres in February, 2005. Rumors of a military theme arose when photos of green, blue and brown camo-style buffs were revealed by Port Vila Presse Online and by Internet fan "palau islander." Several former military sites were chosen for the production within the Rock Islands, where more than 60 Japanese Imperial Navy warships were destroyed during US dive-bomber attacks in 1944. Tribal names are believed to be "Ulong" and "Koror." Tribal flags showed a shark on a background of blue and green and a stingray on a background of orange, brown and green. Survivor, locally known as "Clear Water, Inc." used Malakal Island in the Koror Port district as its base of operations. Production Camp was reported to be a huge affair on the water, gated with security. The fence surrounding the site was blocked with tarps and closely patrolled by Palauan security guards, but locals could see tents and cargo containers full of equipment. "Clear Water, Inc." also rented the Ngarachamayong Cultural Center for offices. On the day they were released, Survivor Maps obtained a copy of the official marine restrictions issued by the President of Palau. The marine restrictions declared six islands off-limits during the filming - clues to the tribal camp, challenge and Tribal Council locations. Beginning Tuesday, October 26, the following prohibitions will apply: No entry within 1.2 miles of: Ngeroblobang Beach
Ngeremdiu Beach
Japanese/German lighthouse
pier near Ngeremdiu
Ngkesill No entry onto the land at: Ulong Island
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Ngchelobel In October, Survivor Maps learned that the Tribal Council was on Ngeruktabel Island near Ngeremdiu, either on the beach, at the lighthouse or on the pier. Evidence supports the pier location. Prior to the start of the game, locals noticed that a fake Japanese bunker had been constructed at the on Lighthouse Channel near the pier and in December, an Internet blogger claimed that the Tribal Council resembled a Japanese bunker surrounded by war material. Made of foam and plywood, Survivor’s Tribal Council is said to have looked very aged and authentic. On the mountain near Tribal Council, stands Ngeruktabel’s lighthouse, built by the Germans around 1900. Not much is left except the rock pier, a wide road overgrown by jungle, and the remains of the lighthouse, elevation about 700'. After the Japanese purchased Palau from the Germans around 1914, they built a small compound near the light house. During WWII, the Japanese fortified the roadway with several guns, shelters or pill boxes, and caves. Survivor called the lighthouse "the Japanese lighthouse." On the other side of Ngeruktabel Island and linked to the lighthouse by a steep jungle trail down a limestone slope, are two beaches, Margie’s Beach and another beach linked to Margie's behind a limestone hill. Survivor removed several palm trees from this area and witnesses reported watching the construction of a wooden foundation with uprights and cross beams. The foundation appeared to be long and narrow, with its shortest width near the high tide line and extending back from the beach. Recent reports indicate that this was a pool used for challenges. Survivor Maps has learned that one tribe camped at Margie’s Beach and the other on Ulong Island. On both Ulong Island and Margie's Beach remains of WWII aircrafts lie buried in the sand The booted contestants are believed to have stayed at the North Beach Cottages on Babeldaob Island, a large island north of Koror. North Beach is reportedly the best and longest beach in Palau. The cottages were fully booked for the duration of the filming. Mark Burnett and Roma Downey were in Palau for the last days of filming, and stayed at the Palau Pacific Resort. Following his visit to Palau, Mark Burnett traveled to Madagascar to scout locations for Survivor 11. Other possible Survivor 11 locations include China or a return to Australia. Early on, locals expressed concern about tree cutting, especially at the German/Japanese Lighthouse, but all in all, the people of Palau were very pleased by the production and behavior of the crew. Locals reported that the CBS Survivor crew was very friendly and spent a lot of money in Palau. Survivor rented boats and vehicles and used local labor and materials, dumping close to $1M into Palau's economy.
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32. "RE: More location information" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-02-05 AT 04:06 PM (EST)Wow, Dan and Wezzie, this is an awesome report! Great JOB! So the two tribes will be Ulong and Koror. So, this negates speculation that there would be more than two original tribes. Looks like two tribes of ten it is. Your work is really quite remarkable and very informative. It really looks to be a quite spectacular location. I'm sure we will be seeing alot of the Palauan beauty showcased via challenge rewards. I'm really looking forward to it! Thanks, fp ETA: I am wondering what the scale is for the map? It sure seems as if the two tribal camps are in very close proximity. It looks as though the merge camp is on a very small island.
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33. "RE: More location information" |
Thanks, fp!Ulong and Koror, at least that's what we heard from two local sources. Of course, those could have been code names. We won't really know for sure until the show airs.
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34. "RE: More location information" |
So Wezzie, as you heard from 2 local sources, am I understanding that you have actually gone there? Wow, what was your take on it all! I think that one of our posters here, OkaloosaJohn, had been there earlier in his military career...sure would love to hear his take on Palau.Were you able to get around the islands at all to get a glimpse for yourselves? Did you get to do any snorkeling or scuba diving at all? Do you know of any local newspapers that reported on things such as the Vanuatan Daily News...just curious!
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35. "RE: More location information" |
Nope, I haven't gone there yet. Dan and I have been corresponding with people that live/work there since late September. They've helped us learn about the locations. I'd LOVE to go there, though! Sounds awesome!There are two (at least) local newspapers of the paper-variety, as compared to cyber. The Marianas Variety and Pacific Daily News are the online papers to keep an eye on for Survivor news.
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36. "RE: More location information" |
Thanks for all of the info, Wezzie, it's much appreciated! Your site is really awesome as well, you've done a wonderful job! I am sure I'll be referring to it often. And thanks for the names of the papers as well!
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37. "RE: More location information" |
Thanks for the info! I am a little disappointed to know that there are still two tribes. So, I guess the way the two tribes will be chosen is going to be the big surprise. I would like to see some kind of challenge to determine the tribes.
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38. "CBS Website" |
Thanks for sharing all the great info Wezzie!The two tribe names are interesting. As FP and Volsfan point out it does appear that there may be two tribes of ten, but when and how the tribes are formed may be the "unexpected aspect of the game to which the previews refer. The CBS Website is now up and describes S10 like this... TWENTY NEW SURVIVORS
Stranded on a remote island in the South Pacific, 20 Americans
are forced to band together and carve out a new existence,
form a cooperative society, build shelter, gather and catch food.
Who will outwit, outplay, and outlast all others in Palau? Find
out: don't miss a single episode of SURVIVOR: PALAU, coming
this February on CBS. This sounds like the "20 Americans" may start out together as one tribe "forced to band together" and "form a cooperative society". MB may delay the split into two tribes for much longer than anyone expects... Sure, this may just be CBS hype describing the same old Survivor game format, but the wording makes no mention of two tribes, only "a cooperative society". I guess we'll have to wait for more information, but I'm still hoping for one tribe of 20 for at least the first few days...
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39. "RE: CBS Website" |
I guess we'll have to wait for more information, but I'm still hoping for one tribe of 20 for at least the first few days...Hallelujah! I agree. ONE BIG TRIBE to start with.
That way everyone knows everyone else and can make broad based decisions. And after the inevitable split, the tribes will include a couple of early strategies that have been wrenched apart.
Then, we all wait, with fingers crossed, hoping that our favorite seperated factions, somehow both, make it to merge. I'm excited if it turns out this way. It's the one hopeful speculation I hold onto, in hopes of changing the overall dynamic of the game. The newer, more studied Survivors have begun to start the game on DAY 1. No reason for MB to hold back when so much game happens so early on. I also hope it's a 2 hour premeire. Hopefully both dreams aren't dashed, in one night. Sn'DCS©MMIV
It's hard enogh waiting 1 month.
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41. "One tribe of twenty" |
Great find, KB! It sure does sound as if it will indeed be one large tribe of 20, and I do indeed think that this would be a new and interesting start. Thinking about the logistics of the game and the military theme, I'm wondering how this will play into the one large tribe. Perhaps they will hold an election for leaders, or perhaps they will all be assigned a rank, to organize as the military would? I think it could be quite chaotic if we have 20 alphas all vying for top dog positions...Sounds like we will be off to a great start!
 
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43. "RE: One tribe of twenty" |
I like the one tribe from the beginning. All 20 people are forced to abandon ship and are left on the island without any supplies. Nobody is given any news on what is going on until the first immunity challenge on day 2. Maybe at the first tribal council, two people will be voted off(to speed things up) on DAY 2. Then two more people get voted off on DAY 4. Then on DAY 5 or 6, the tribes split into two and the game returns to form as everyone knows it.
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46. "RE: One tribe of twenty" |
This 20 person start has incredible potential to be interesting. Let's hope MB thinks like we all do. I picture a military transport plane going down in the water just off the island. 20 survivors climb out of the water onto the beach and stand dumbfounded on the island with only the wet clothes on their backs and a 5 gallon jug of drinking water that has washed ashore. Looking around, no Jeff, no banners, no supplies, no instructions. Just 20 people wondering if there has been some kind of mistake. 48 hours later Jeff arives in a zodiac with a machete, a cooking pot and instructions that they will be living as one unit and will all compete this afternoon for individual immunity. Two players will win immunity and two will be expelled at tonight's tibunal. After the tribunal, the unit is told to select a leader by noon tomorrow who will have the authority to assign work to each member of the unit and make important decisions that will effect who is eligible for expulsion at the next tribunal. At some point (maybe a week into the game) they are split into two platoons of 8; each having a leader who's performance in challenges will mean the difference between their platoon's victory and failure. Caveman
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47. "RE: One tribe of twenty" |
I'm rubbing my hands together, hoping that it plays out exactly as you have described!
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55. "RE: One tribe of twenty" |
While this makes for an intriguing game (very "Lost"-inspired--reality-imitates art-imitates reality?), it makes for not-so-great TV, at least for those first couple days. You'd have to have hidden cameras everywhere. The players wouldn't be miked.The other thing you'd have to account for is people just up and quitting, as, no doubt, some would do  Fester
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48. "RE: One tribe of twenty" |
The logistics of having 20 people at TC is impossible. The set is usually designed to hold 10 people at most. I've been pushing for a single tribe at the start for a while and feel it would be best if only 1/2 the group attended TC. Half get immunity, half get to vote.
It would work like this: The whole group is dropped off on day one with minimal supplies and less instructions. On day 3 tree mail tells them to pick to people they trust and head to the challenge. Each leader picks a team from the rest and their names are hung on a ladder board. Jeff then tells them that they are going to compete in ten individual events -a Survivor decathalon- against the person listed opposite you (ie. the last two picked face each other). Jeff phrases it like the team with the most wins gets immunity, but it's actually a one on one immunity challenge. The ten losers go to TC. The first RC is for 1 water resistant sleeping bag and a 2 person pup tent.The 2nd IC is log standing, the first 9 people down go to TC. On day 7, the first two people voted out return and select the new tribes, thus breaking up the alliences that voted them out.
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49. "RE: One tribe of twenty" |
Why would it be logiscially impossible? The only problem I can see is that for the viewers it would be a very long experience.
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50. "RE: One tribe of twenty" |
Logistically it would be easy IMHO. They could line up "rocks" like bleacher seats. The bleacher seats would only have to be 5-6 feet long with three rows of seats.
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51. "TC a "Japanese Bunker"" |
While I don't believe we will see a TC where twenty survivors cast votes, (I think they will be divided up somehow into two tribes at the first IC on Day 3), any physical limitations can be overcome by a creative set designer, and any long drawn out voting could be condensed with creative editing.Here's the description of TC from Wezzie's post above: "In October, Survivor Maps learned that the Tribal Council was on Ngeruktabel Island near Ngeremdiu, either on the beach, at the lighthouse or on the pier. Evidence supports the pier location. Prior to the start of the game, locals noticed that a fake Japanese bunker had been constructed at the on Lighthouse Channel near the pier and in December, an Internet blogger claimed that the Tribal Council resembled a Japanese bunker surrounded by war material. Made of foam and plywood, Survivor’s Tribal Council is said to have looked very aged and authentic."
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52. "RE: TC a "Japanese Bunker"" |
I agree, Krautboy, that, while possible, I don't think we will see a twenty person Tribal Counsel.  Not only would they have to edit a very lengthy TC, but they would have to edit in the stories going into Tribal Council. In the first episode, the editing crew will have enough work cut out for them introducing the game, the twist, and all twenty contestants, that by the time TC comes around, the viewers will have had enough dumped on their plate to follow twenty people forming alliances and keeping up with who is talking with whom. I believe that we may see a twenty person tribe at the beginning of the game, but the two teams will certainly be divided before the first Tribal council.
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53. "RE: TC a "Japanese Bunker"" |
While logistical "impossibility" is a bit harsh, I do think it's a logistical nightmare to try to have a TC with 20 Survivors, primarily due to the fact that, while the chance is remote, there is a chance for a tie. That would take a good half-hour of show to deal with, even with the tightest editing job. Even if it's a smooth TC with a decided bootee, it would still be very bad television to have that many Survivors crammed into TC. We've all seen reunion shows. It'd look a lot like that. It's not a pretty scene. Remember also that these TCs take hours to complete in real time, and that's with a max of 10 (at the merge). I don't think anyone wants to have a TC that takes 6 or more hours of real time to complete. No, I'll believe a 20-person TC when I see it. And I probably won't like it when I do. I agree with you, KB. I think they'll get somehow teamed up at the IC. Whether that teaming is predetermined, left to chance, or selected by "troop leaders" or some such, is open to debate. I'd lean toward "troop leaders" as it seems to fit the theme, but A) I think Burnett would rather bonds made in the first few days be split, and B) the last tribe restructure was done by tribal selection. Random distribution runs too high a risk of skewed weighting with that many Survivors, but I still wouldn't put it past Burnett to do it that way. However, he's never done a predetermined restructuring, and this would be the perfect opportunity to do that. Fester
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54. "RE: TC a "Japanese Bunker"" |
Well said Fester. I'm keeping it in the back of my mind that we still do not know how long the premiere episode is. Could this be the first 2 hour premiere? With 20 contestants, it sure would be nice. But if it is, could this have an effect on HOW MANY players get voted off in episode one? With extra time to play with, they could introduce all 20 contestants, and even have two tribal councils, like they did in episode three of Vanuatu , and the outcast episode of Pearl Islands. I also keep asking myself, why 20 players? This is the best explanation I can come up with... They can't go back to 16. After 2 seasons of 18, moving back to 16 would seems like a bit of a downgrade. If they stay at 18, this creates a problem when teams are not intially split men/women because with nine on each team, one team will be dominant in women and the other team will be dominant in men. I guess they are at twenty because they have no real choice.
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56. "RE: TC a "Japanese Bunker"" |
Besides which, it would require Jeff reading a minimum of 11 votes to establish an evictee, which is already a lot -- but even if one person did receive 11 votes, he'd have to read more, possibly all 20, to create any kind of uncertainty. I think that's a bit much for the audience (let alone Jeff) to deal with.
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59. "RE:a thought" |
I would love to see all 20 dumped together and not split up at first. Give everyone a chance to bond and not know if they will be able to stay with the person they bond with once the tribes are picked.Since they are starting with 20. I think it would be nice if they had an individual challenge at first. Then the 2 that finish last are told to go home. No voting off. Just asked to leave for being the weakest and not able to survive. Get rid of the Ostens early. The 2 that finish 1st and 2nd could be chosen as the leaders and then tribes are picked by these leaders.
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60. "RE:a thought" |
Oooh, Oooh, Mr. Kotter, Pick me. I have an idea.Day 1 - Get dropped off from the boat. Swim to shore. Build camp with just a machete and a pot. Try to build fire (to no avail). Day 2 - Tribal council as a group of 20. Vote off the lowest 2 contributors. Day 3 - First reward challenge. At the challenge, draw buffs to pick tribes. The winning tribe gets to go back to camp with flint and steel. The losing tribe has to go to the new camp with a new machete and pot, but no flint. Day 4 - First IC. Losing tribe goes to TC, as usual.
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57. "RE: One tribe of twenty" |
Well, maybe imposible is the wrong word.But it would be difficult to maintain a set large enough to hold 21 people, a fire, the entrence, the exit, torches, the voting booth, set dressing, and all the unseen equipment. The set would have to be twice the normal size, which is already difficult to maintain. Plus you lose the intmacy created by a smaller set.
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61. "Going back to the boat..." |
KB, you've already made a pretty good case that the boat seen from underwater has ten people in it. So most likely there is another boat with the other ten.From the beginning the game will be changed in a dramatic way. Everything the Survivors have come to expect will be wiped in the first 10 minutes. This sounds like typical overhype, but obviously *something* is going to be different. But -- will the Survivors be aware of the difference right from the outset, or will it become known to them after the fact? I'm disinclined to think everyone will be living together for any duration at the beginning. If there are two boats with ten people each in them, I think it's likely that the boats are going to two different locations. And as others have pointed out, it's a bit incongruous to have everybody building one camp at first, and then a day or two later have a group splinter off and start building another camp. So the simplest idea to me is that they are split into two groups of ten at the outset -- BUT, they are not assigned tribe names, and they are not, in fact, tribes. The groups of ten will be reshuffled into their actual tribes at some point during the first episode, maybe when they arrive for the IC.
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62. "RE: Going back to the boat..." |
Interesting idea BR, it would have the same effect as the false merge that caught ShiiAnn off guard...many might assume they were a tribe, only to be surprised when they arrive at the first challenge and are shuffled into two new tribes. But in this scenario, what's the unexpected twist that wipes out everything they've come to expect that happens in the first ten minutes of the show?As far as the boat is concerned, I agree that there is another boat of 10, but couldn't those two boats be competing in the first challenge? The boat seen from under water could be one of the two tribes that formed at TC... The promo vidcaps show four different oar/paddle styles and at least two different types of boats, from what appears to be several different time frames. While I like your twist scenario, I'm still holding out for something else in the first 10 minutes; something more unexpected than two boats of ten rowing to seperate beaches...
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63. "RE: Going back to the boat..." |
But in this scenario, what's the unexpected twist that wipes out everything they've come to expect that happens in the first ten minutes of the show?They could be told at the get-go that they are not on tribes, they are just living together in two separate camps. Then they wouldn't know what to expect for the first 3 days -- is the first challenge going to be an individual challenge? Are tribes going to be assigned later, and if so, when? I'm not sold on this scenario, but I just don't see all of them living together at the beginning, especially now that it's up to 20 people. I think it would be too much of a change for the audience, which is used to seeing dynamics develop among separate groups of people. Unless MB wants to take a page from "Lost". Had that already premiered when S10 started filming?
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