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PepeLePew13 26135 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-30-04, 08:07 PM (EST) "Editing Thoughts for S9" LAST EDITED ON 08-30-04 AT 08:42 PM (EST) I thought I'd take a moment to see if we can use what we've learned from past Survivors to figure out some things that might be apt to happen this time around. For one thing, anyone remember the last time we had a male-vs-female start in S6? I recall there was a fair amount of bragging going on with the guys in the previews/first episode (especially with the likes of Ryan and Daniel) about how they were looking forward to schmoozing with the girls. Shawna didn't say anything about the guys until a few episodes later, I don't think. We got a quote from Jenna in the first episode that "she just wanted to beat the guys." Who won? Jenna, a female. Also, there was the legend of the Amazonian women and how they were supposedly so powerful, leading to the idea that a woman would win. Fast forward to the previews and video interviews for S9. We're hearing a number of ladies talk about flirting or being overestimated based on their looks and how it'll help them get far in the game. I haven't heard much from the guys about how they're going to hit on the girls or stuff like that -- am I missing anything on that front? I submit that this editing is a hint that a male will win this edition of Survivor. Sure, I've got a 50% shot of being right, but this could be an example of the editing being slanted this way. And finally, to keep up with the editing slant of the Amazonian women being powerful = a woman winning S6 ... we're hearing about the Vanuatu culture where the men 'rule' and the women 'follow'. So is this yet another hint that a man will win here? Any other past examples of editing that we could use to help us figure out some pattern that may help in this edition of Survivor? ©Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004 Scratch and sniff   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 dabo 08-30-04 1  RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 RyrieRae 08-30-04 2  RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 Flowerpower 08-31-04 3    RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 emydi 08-31-04 7        RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 Brownroach 08-31-04 8            RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 emydi 09-01-04 9        RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 Flowerpower 09-01-04 10            RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 emydi 09-01-04 11  RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 Brownroach 08-31-04 4    RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 Devious Weasel 08-31-04 5        RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 Brownroach 08-31-04 6            RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 Devious Weasel 09-03-04 14            RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 toddE 09-07-04 22                RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 J Slice 09-07-04 25                    RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 toddE 09-07-04 26  RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 Blow by Blow 09-01-04 12    RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 Brownroach 09-02-04 13        RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 bdemoney 09-03-04 15            RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 bdemoney 09-03-04 16                RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 Brownroach 09-03-04 17                    RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 bdemoney 09-03-04 18                        RE: Editing Thoughts for S9 Brownroach 09-03-04 19        Past-challenge summary Blow by Blow 09-03-04 20            RE: Past-challenge summary VerucaSalt 09-07-04 21                RE: Past-challenge summary emydi 09-07-04 23                    RE: Past-challenge summary Flowerpower 09-07-04 24            RE: Past-challenge summary JohnMc 09-08-04 27                RE: Past-challenge summary caveman 09-08-04 28                    RE: Past-challenge summary Capn2patch 09-08-04 29                    RE: Past-challenge summary JohnMc 09-09-04 30

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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-30-04, 08:49 PM (EST) 1. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" Just parking this here http://www.survivorbbq.com/archive/2004_08_22_index.php SURVIVOR: ALL-STARS WINNER AMBER BRKICH HOSTS TV Guide Channel's Original "SURVIVOR VANUATU PREVIEW" SPECIAL, PREMIERING SEPTEMBER 5 "Back from her Survivor: All-Stars adventure, where she captured $1 million as the ultimate Survivor and found love with fellow castaway "Boston Rob" Mariano, Amber Brkich is set to host TV Guide Channel's original, one-hour special SURVIVOR VANUATU PREVIEW. Brkich and TV Guide Channel will take viewers on location to the island of Vanuatu for a sneak-peak of the ninth installment of CBS's long-running reality hit Survivor, visiting this season's exotic island locale in the Southwestern Pacific Ocean to preview the twists and turns in store for viewers this fall. SURVIVOR VANUATU PREVIEW premieres Sunday, September 5 (8:00 - 9:00 PM ET/PT) on TV Guide Channel.   Top

RyrieRae 416 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 08-30-04, 09:24 PM (EST) 2. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" I would hope a male wins, seeing that all females have won since S5. The editing has become a tricky code to crack. It seems that there are an equal amount of giveaways as there are misdirections. I don't think that the mere fact it is once again boys vs girls can give much away. In S6 the finals were well blended (F6 was 3 girls and 3 boys) so we really didn't see one gender dominate. What I will be looking for in the first episode is a specific quote that will lead in certain direction. For example, in S8 Jonny Fair play said "I'll bet a million dollars that Sandra doesn't win this game" or in S1 when Rich said "I've already won. The check has my name on it." Specifics are usually a dead give away. More famous quotes: "A black person will never win this game" Sean, Marquesas "A Drake will win this game" Rupert, Pearl Islands "We'll be spending my money. Worst case scenario, we'll be spending hers" Rob, Allstars   Top

Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-31-04, 03:03 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" LAST EDITED ON 08-31-04 AT 03:05 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 08-31-04 AT 03:04 PM (EST) Well, Pepe, I really don't know if the Vanuatu location could lend itself to a prediction that a male will win. Their location must have been researched long before it was chosen, and I suppose that the male dominant society led them to choose to separate the beginning tribes into male vs. female. If anything the society there could be used to polarize the two groups even more, which makes for more unified tribes. I do find some of the pregame interviews of the contestants interesting though. As you pointed out several of the women are talking of flirting and being overestimated based on their looks and how it will help them get far into the game. It's more interesting to me that some of the men note the history of the winner being more times than not a female. So the men are aware of that and perhaps have studied how they indeed do it. I also find it interesting that more than a few of them vow not to lie or backstab. This intrigues me! Can't wait for the first episode to get a handle on some of the key quotes!   Top

emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-31-04, 05:09 PM (EST) 7. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" Can't wait for the first episode to get a handle on some of the key quotes! Now where is that VerucaSalt??? hmmmmm.....we need her "It's all in the Editing" guidance here!!! I can't wait for the first episode because I cannot get a handle on spoiling yet (as BR seems to have been able to do, so wonderfully) I'm going to need SBear's pre-game SOTS to have any idea what's going on here.... Courtesy of the Amazing Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004 Help me, BR and FP!!!!   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-31-04, 05:28 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" LAST EDITED ON 08-31-04 AT 05:29 PM (EST) Hah -- I haven't got a handle on anything yet, emy, I'm just trying to help round up whatever's out there. Fester has some good thoughts on the editing of the videos here. Waiting for Krautboy and VerucaSalt to show up...   Top

emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-01-04, 10:57 AM (EST) 9. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" Well, you're one step ahead of me..I think I need the immediacy of an upcoming Thursday episode to spoil!! I *heart* Fester and agree with most of what he has to say on the videos Courtesy of the Amazing Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004 Yeah, just where are the little German boy and bratty Willy Wonka child??   Top

Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-01-04, 12:56 PM (EST) 10. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" Yes, I agree emydi, where is the elusive VS and when will she rear her editing head! ....don't look to me for help, the only handle I get on everything is reading what all the greats gather and THEN throw in my 2 cents! I'm just fast to throw it in! When KB shows up, he'll probably have it all figured out by now! Looking forward to it!   Top

emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-01-04, 01:03 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" GO SIGN UP FOR A SOTS, FP!!! Courtesy of the Amazing Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004 You clever gal, you   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-31-04, 03:23 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" I haven't heard much from the guys about how they're going to hit on the girls or stuff like that -- am I missing anything on that front? Both of the Johns mention flirting in their videos. Bridge for sale to highest bidder. Call 1-800-BRroach.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-31-04, 04:12 PM (EST) 5. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" Kerry and Edwards? We miss you on OT already, BR.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-31-04, 04:19 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" Those two, yes. And can you believe how Jenna Morasca and Sue Hawk are attacking Kerry? I mean, come on, everyone knows the Quit Boat Veterans were never in Vietnam. I posted on OT a couple of times today.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-03-04, 11:40 AM (EST) 14. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" That really deserves it's own sig pic.   Top

toddE 1433 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 09-07-04, 12:45 PM (EST) 22. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" Jenna and Susan attacking Kerry? Where in the world did you find media reporting the political views of ex-Survivors? Just wondering, haven't heard a peep anywhere. Makes sense for super-aggressive Susan, but PETA-loving Jenna seems odd. An animal-rights republican? Oxymoron, no?   Top

J Slice 13166 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-07-04, 06:30 PM (EST) 25. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" Read: Quit Boat Veterans. ::giggle:: BR, you so crazy. IceCat = Harvey Manfredjensenjen... LoadingTime.com: You only think you're not a geek!   Top

toddE 1433 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 09-07-04, 06:31 PM (EST) 26. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" How embarassing! I'm a little slow today.   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 09-01-04, 11:34 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" Hey everybody!! First post here since the end of S8...and I got nothing to say. But about the editing, I'm thinking MB and crew won't change their approach too much because the reality is that probably less than 1% of viewers are trying to do any spoiling and the rest are just sitting back saying, "Oooweee, I didn't see that coming. Lex is such an idiot." The editing is all about keeping the average viewer fat, dumb and happy. But perhaps Survivor will throw us a bone and try to slip a little editing misdirection our way. Perhaps they'll do the opposite of some of the gender editing/key quotes style from S6. Or perhaps the guys will wise up and realize that having a pissing contest is no way to keep the girls outnumbered. -BxB I do more to not work than actual work.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-02-04, 02:46 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" Hey, BxB! Good to see you back! Someone here was looking for the index of all the past challenges you made for All Stars. Webby was hosting it somewhere, but I can't remember where. It might come in handy for S9, since MB rarely comes up with a completely original challenge anymore. Bridge for sale to highest bidder. Call 1-800-BRroach.   Top

bdemoney 745 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 09-03-04, 11:53 AM (EST) 15. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" LAST EDITED ON 09-03-04 AT 12:00 PM (EST) I just saw some new promos for S9 last night during BB5. It shows separate clips from different survivors. Thought it was interesting that Brook's quote was something like "I tend to be a leader and we all know that leader's usually get voted off first in Survivor" (I'm paraphrasing, but it was very close to something like that). Seeing as there are rumors floating arount that he may be the first boot, I found that quote to be very interesting. Could it possibly be one of the key quotes that we should pay attention to? Also, does anyone have copies of the new promo being run? And perhaps a copy of everyone's quotes? I would be interested in analyzing all of their clips that are being aired. I can't remember what anyone else said off the top of my head....   Top

bdemoney 745 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 09-03-04, 11:58 AM (EST) 16. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" They have the new promo over at Fever but I don't know how to copy pics onto threads... But here is the voice over for the commercial. Looks like I heard Brook's comment incorrectly, but I still find it intriging! Voice Over... VO: Survivor: Vanuatu is coming. The women are taking on the men but that's just the beginning. Dolly: I'm happy as long as I get my way. Brady: I love women and especially the ones that are here now. Ami: I've got what it takes. Brook: I refuse to be a leader on this island as we all know, leader's are sent home early. Mia: Play hard, don't let down your guard. Rory: I love Vanuatu, there's costumes, there's magic, I'm just so pumped up. I also saw a second version with Eliza and other survivors, but don't see that up at Fever yet. Hey BR, will you be starting a thread with the new promo pics?   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-03-04, 12:01 PM (EST) 17. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" I'm working on it... Bridge for sale to highest bidder. Call 1-800-BRroach.   Top

bdemoney 745 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 09-03-04, 12:02 PM (EST) 18. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" BR, you're the best!   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-03-04, 12:29 PM (EST) 19. "RE: Editing Thoughts for S9" No prob, but I won't be around next week, so some one else will have to do these. Bridge for sale to highest bidder. Call 1-800-BRroach.   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 09-03-04, 02:00 PM (EST) 20. "Past-challenge summary" LAST EDITED ON 09-03-04 AT 02:03 PM (EST) ETA local link http://www.realitytvworld.com/realitytvworld/survivorchallenges.shtml Yeah, I had to do some digging to find it. I'm not really sure where it is on this site, but the geocities page I created is still out there. Nothing from A.S.S. is included. http://www.geocities.com/reallygray/ -BxB I do more to not work than actual work.   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-07-04, 11:04 AM (EST) 21. "RE: Past-challenge summary" Hello my dears I have had a relocation to another area and my time was filled with boxes and packing tape I am looking forward to delving into the personalities and editing of these new folks and if nobody minds, will start a The Players, The Game, The Editing so we can determine if anything has changed in the mind of Mark Burnett or stayed the same. I will be posting initial thoughts soon but require all your keen minds lolol Missed you!   Top

emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-07-04, 01:10 PM (EST) 23. "RE: Past-challenge summary" VS!!!!! Welcome Back!! Just in time!!! Now give me one of your FANTASTIC and really long posts that I can really sink my teeth into!!! Courtesy of the Amazing Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004 Missed you, too!!!!   Top

Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-07-04, 03:29 PM (EST) 24. "RE: Past-challenge summary" Here, here! I'll second that welcome back to VS! Can't wait to get started, and count me in for putting my 2 cents in!   Top

JohnMc 2679 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 09-08-04, 11:02 AM (EST) 27. "RE: Past-challenge summary" Just wanted to throw a thought out there. I was watching the P&G DVD last night, and on S6 I was reminded of how arrogant the guys were when they realized that they were same sex tribes. Then they lost challenges right and left. S6 did have challenges that catered to one sex over the other, the most obvious one was the fishing challenge, which the men dominated. But the very first challenge, the obstacle course, shouldn't have been such a slam dunk for the girls. The girls did have 2 inherent advantages that show themselves in a guys vs girls situations. 1 - The girls communicated with each other and acted as a team. The guys just acted like 8 individual guys and not as 1 coherent team. 2 - The girls listened to directions and followed the challenge instructions. The guys (actually, mostly just Ryan) just did what they thought the needed to do to get buy. Imagine that - a man who is headstrong and doesn't listen to directions until it's too late. *watching all the wives and girlfriends in America nodding their heads affirmingly* The only reason why I bring this up is to point out that the same sex teams have got to have a different result this season than they did in S6. At least one of the nine men had to have seen S6: Amazon. If he (whichever one he is) can keep them from making the same arrogant mistakes that the men made the first time, then the men stand a better shot at winning. Also, we don't know how long they will stay same sex tribes. In S6, the tribes didn't become mixed until day 14, after Dave and Jenna had their young-person rendevous-slash-reward. With 18 people, that dynamic may change by the day 13-15 range, and with the speed-up of tribal councils to get rid of 2 extra tribe members. This sounds like it should be fascinating to watch - to see if these survivors learn from previous survivors' mistakes!   Top

caveman 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 09-08-04, 11:51 AM (EST) 28. "RE: Past-challenge summary" John Am I missing something? Do we know that the tribes will not remain dividied by gender until the merge? I have to agree that the players should be mindful of the downfall in the Amazon. On the other hand, I have to think MB will also be mindful of that and may shoot for a different outcome. I think if a poll of viewers was conducted, the majority (both men and women) would say that they have a greater appreciation for games that end with a collection of truly strong players vying for the prize. Physically strong, mentally strong, and /or solid strategists. When the really popular players get taken out early in the game, the shows popularity wanes. We all have friends who have said, " I stopped watching when Hunter was booted," or "There's no way that little twirp would have survived in the real world." Granted the game is a lot more than a wilderness survival test, but a lot of viewers just don't feel right about the weasely street gang taking down Super Woman or Captain America. MB knows that the best ratings will occur when the final three consists of at least two players who could be viewed as the best of the best. Caveman   Top

Capn2patch 2785 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 09-08-04, 12:31 PM (EST) 29. "RE: Past-challenge summary" Like it or not. Hunter getting booted did get tongues a wagging!!   Top

JohnMc 2679 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 09-09-04, 11:09 AM (EST) 30. "RE: Past-challenge summary" No guarantee that they will stay same sex to the merge, and no guarantee that they will have a swap before the merge. Then again, we haven't had a season since S3 that didn't have some type of swapping of tribe members. S3 - swapping of 3 tribe members S4 - change the tribes by stepping on a stone S5 - optional tribe swap (no one bit, though Shii wanted to) S6 - Jenna and Dave pick new teams S7 - losing tribe gets a member S8 - dissolution of Saboga, plus the "pick your buff but only Amber changes" swap I think EPM realizes that you have to shake up alliances in order to keep things interesting for the viewers, and so that the players don't become complacent in their alliances. As far as strategy, the best thing that the guys could do in this game is stick together to the end. Heck or high water, they stick together. I do get tired of the weak players making it to the end. I actually liked seeing Rupert/Jenna/Rob/Amber in F4 on All-Stars, because you actually had 2 strong, competitive men. Let's hope we can get something like that out of S9!   Top

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