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"JENNA vs. MATTHEW"
FSUGUY 447 desperate attention whore postings
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04-01-03, 03:22 PM (EST)
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"JENNA vs. MATTHEW" |
If it does come down to these 2 as many think, who do you think would win it all? I believe alot from ChillOne and it keeps looking more and more like it could happen. I think Jenna because of the guys and heidi? she seems fairly nice so far. barring any mean streak. I think Matthew is too creepy and acts kinda clueless.
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Wacko Jacko 2438 desperate attention whore postings
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04-01-03, 04:58 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: seems obvious" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-01-03 AT 05:08 PM (EST)Clillone says Jenna. They say that Jenna is liked better than Matthew and kinda appears to be leaning towards a Jenna win. I still aint totally sold that Matthew is the one in the finals with Jenna although I also don't doubt it. At this point Jenna would be an even worse champion than Vee. She doesn't do a darn thing other than wash the undies. She sits out challenges and even the ones she is in she stinks. I think she is also voting how others tell her too. She is playing under the radar. Also can't forget how idiotic she was to tell Dave the alliance on the women side. She has been nothing but pathetic so far. Matt on the otherhand would win only because he catchs fish. Other than that he has played a poor game. Making allies with the two weakest guys in his tribe. And trying to pick up another guys woman. Bragging about being a provider and now this week acting like a psycho. You chose of the two who you would vote for? Pretty sad choices. But I would still say Matt. That fella can sure catch some fish. And to be honest...at least he works.
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BaquaR13 1336 desperate attention whore postings
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04-02-03, 01:52 AM (EST)
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3. "JENNA" |
First off, Chill One says Jenna, but that is weird since no one even knows who won yet. But, it will be Jenna if it comes down the two. Matthews main point will be he provided food, which could be a weakness because some may see that as the only reason he made it that far. It comes down to popularity and Jenna has more people on her side. She has more "friends." She will be the winner...The Reality Show Queens!!
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railfan 450 desperate attention whore postings
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04-02-03, 06:36 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: JENNA" |
CO only says the woman in F2 was "better liked." Given the second or third hand nature of CO's "intel," I'm not sure we can rely on the "better liked" info. And as far as strategy in the game, we still have six eps to go, and we can still we a lot of "adaptability" in late strategy by the so-far UTR Matt and Jenna.
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SurvivorJoel 73 desperate attention whore postings
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04-26-03, 12:18 PM (EST)
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81. "RE: JENNA" |
Now I'm beginning to believe this will hold true. Assuming Jenna vs Matt in F2, the following will be the voting at final TC:Heidi and Alex - will vote Jenna. Do I need to defend that?
Deena - will still vote for Jenna. She's a Female District Attorney! Isn't that a giveaway, that she'll still vote for a female winner?
Dave - Jenna. I'm sure he knows Jenna has been honest with him, especially when they dated, pre-merge, where she was completely honest and open about everything that was going on at the women's tribe.
Rob - is a hardcore Survivor Fan. He has sympathy for the show like me. When the show's ratings go down, I'm sure he feels as bad as I do. He'll therefore vote Jenna for a really great ending to the season. Mark Burnett better think of getting this guy as a replacement for Jiffy. P.S. Who said Matt will capitalize on his being a provider? The episodes lately haven't been showing that. Even one of the women's interviews (forgot who) stated that they (B,M,C) were the team crazy because even Butch and Matt would go fishing and come back empty handed most of the time. Besides, his 'play the role of the naive and ignorant' bit do not do well at the final voting. Someone who has a masterplan and knows he/she is playing it usually wins!
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KeithFan 7422 desperate attention whore postings
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04-02-03, 10:09 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: JENNA vs. MATTHEW" |
If CO is correct and these are the final 2 it could break down several ways.1. M vs F. I think this is the only possible way that Mateo could pull it off and the least likely. 2. "Popular" - Or shall we say lesser of 2 evils. I can't see that Jenna is as popular as she thinks she is, but Mat is just creepy. 3. Mixed votes- most likely and hardest to predict. Rob for one will most likely have one of the funniest DAW swan songs for the final jury and who knows what that will bring. My feeling is that Jenna would do the best in this type of situation because of her wonderful pagent experience to answering questions under pressure. If Jenna is the one to outwit, outlast, and outplay I think it would be a tragic end to one of the better Survivors (even with the DAW/ratings generating sex talk/nudity)
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dajaki 1454 desperate attention whore postings
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04-02-03, 11:24 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: JENNA vs. MATTHEW" |
Rob for one will most likely have one of the funniest DAW swan songs for the final jury and who knows what that will bring. My feeling is that Jenna would do the best in this type of situation because of her wonderful pagent experience to answering questions under pressure. Rob: Jenna, we got pretty close in camp. I thought that you might want me for sex, but I think that you wanted me just for a jury vote. What do you really want? Jenna (plastic smile firmly fixed): Well Rob, I do find you attractive and I do want your vote, but what I really want is World Peace! Jeff: Good answer, Jenna. Next contestant . . .
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KeithFan 7422 desperate attention whore postings
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04-02-03, 12:16 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: JENNA vs. MATTHEW" |
Jenna (plastic smile firmly fixed): Well Rob, I do find you attractive and I do want your vote, but what I really want is World Peace!
"I would use the million for starting a shelter for the sexually abused homeless Iraqi puppies"
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dajaki 1454 desperate attention whore postings
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04-02-03, 03:34 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: JENNA vs. MATTHEW" |
Do you have small kids who watch VeggieTales? My daughter's favorite song is Puppies, sung by a contestant in the Queen of Babylon pageant:Puppies are cuddly, puppies are cute
They're never nasty or mean
I'd give a home to all the lost puppies
If ever one day I was queen Puppies, puppies, bouncing happy puppies
Puppies, puppies, I love
Puppies, puppies, tender fluffy puppies
Lost puppies, I love you, love, love Repeat first verse I can just picture Jenna breaking into song!
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KeithFan 7422 desperate attention whore postings
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04-02-03, 05:11 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: JENNA vs. MATTHEW" |
Alas, my oldest is too old for Veggietales and my kindergardener thinks she is too sophisticated Too bad they aren't competing for the "immunity sash" that I have advocated in another thread. I'll have to ask my youngest about it though, it's awfully funny how that song fits!
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04-02-03, 11:44 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: JENNA vs. MATTHEW" |
If Matthew makes it to the F2 it might be due to an IC run. That with his physical strength he has shown in the daily running of camp, might give him an edge in the jury. Also, he seems to not have a solid plan in his gameplay, but he really isnt making any enemies, and no one seems to HATE him. There maybe an uneasy mistrust towards him because he is fairly quiet. Actually, I think that he is playing the game well, not necessarily UTR, but rather just focussing on his strengths in the game. His is actually like Zoe in alot of ways, but he isnt set into a doomed alliance like Zoe.
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04-02-03, 01:48 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: JENNA vs. MATTHEW" |
>If Matthew makes it to the
>F2 it might be due
>to an IC run. That
>with his physical strength he
>has shown in the daily
>running of camp, might give
>him an edge in the
>jury. I agree to some extent, but I feel the need to point out that at some point, Matteo will most likely have to use his brains in one of the IC and at that point, I think he might be in trouble. History has also shown women to be favorites in any "Willpower" challenges (like standing with a hand on the post, etc. Still and all, he does seem to be the only one able to consistently catch a lot of fishies.
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings
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04-02-03, 02:54 PM (EST)
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12. "Matthew in final 2?" |
"IF" Matthew is in the final 2 I believe at some point it is decided to take him there by one or more people since he is beatable. If he really acts scary enough that nobody wants to be around him. Nobody will want to vote for him either. Rob seems convinced Matthew is too dumb to figure out the game. If others feel this way he may be kept because nobody finds him a threat. Easy to vote out if needed but a good person to face in the end. He may win a few challenges also that change the plans and others do get voted out that thought they were safe.
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04-02-03, 11:54 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: JENNA vs. MATTHEW" |
Jenna VS MatthewHeidi: Jenna
Deena: Jenna
Rob: Jenna
Alex: Jenna
Christy:Matthew
Butch: Matthew
Dave: ? not that it matters Jenna already has 4 votes 
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04-02-03, 05:28 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: JENNA vs. MATTHEW" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-02-03 AT 05:55 PM (EST)Interesting to start thinking about this now. At this point, I'm not so sure that Deena would vote for Jenna. If Jenna backstabs Deena (and Deena knows that), she might vote against Jenna. And I'm not so sure that Rob would vote against Matt. It would be the supreme ironic turnaround if Rob, who said that Matt was an idiot, developed a respect for him for making it to the end, and gave him his vote. I could especially see this happening if Matt never backstabs Rob (and I have a feeling he won't). And however hot Rob might think Jenna is, I don't know if he will want to hand her a million dollars. I also think that Alex might vote for Matt. Matt and Alex are about the same age, they seem to like and respect each other at this point -- Shawna said she considered Matt her friend, and there seems to be no enmity between Alex and Matt over her. I agree that Heidi would vote for Jenna no matter what, and Butch and Christy would probably vote for Matt. I think Dave would vote for Jenna because he would still be pissed off that Alex, Rob and Matt went against the original plan. To me, Deena seems like the iffiest vote. I have a feeling that she would vote for Jenna though, because I think Jenna won't betray her; Deena will be removed through the efforts of the men. And all else being equal, Deena would want to do "the chick thing".
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Round Robin 2914 desperate attention whore postings
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04-03-03, 00:24 AM (EST)
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16. "RE: JENNA vs. MATTHEW" |
For this matchup to even happen will require at least one other player catching on, before he or she is voted off, to the fact that Rob is attempting with some success to play everyone else in the game like a fiddle. And if someone did catch on to Rob, would that person want to boot him or keep him around to face in the final 2? I think Jenna would kick his ass in the final 2, so she might be well served to keep him in the game. How Matthew would do against him in the final 2 is more of a question in my mind, so he very well might prefer to boot him. If somebody does catch on to Rob and it causes his elimination, the thread title matchup then becomes a little more likely. But I don't think it is a really desirable matchup for Matthew, because his creepiness factor/past friendship with Daniel and Ryan/low profile style of playing will largely negate his worker/provider advantage. I think he needs to can the creepy act, stop laying low, and start trying to actively maneuver to get threats to his chances of victory booted out of the game, because if he keeps staying out of the politics and keeps acting weird, he will either get the boot before the final 2 or will get stuck with an unfavorable final 2 matchup. And IMO a matchup with Jenna would be such a matchup.
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04-18-03, 09:46 PM (EST)
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48. "RE: JENNA vs. MATTHEW" |
Deena in the recrap episode, post-boot, seemed to appreciate the better players, and faulted herself for showing her hand too early. Between Jenna and Matt that means she would probably vote for Jenna to win, particularly if Jenna can survive to F2 after losing her partner in crime (Heidi), so to speak."If all machines were to be annihilated at one moment, so that not a knife nor lever nor rag of clothing nor anything whatsoever were left to man but his bare body alone that he was born with, and if all knowledge of mechanical laws were taken from him so that he could make no more machines, and all machine-made food destroyed so that the race of man should be left as it were naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")
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ShowMeTheWinner 962 desperate attention whore postings
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04-03-03, 01:01 PM (EST)
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17. "It's confirmed...." |
This just in.
http://www.onlinecasinonews.com/ocn/article/article.asp?id=3072
BoDog drops Survivor betting after CBS employees join in
BoDog Sportsbook & Casino today removed the Odds-to-win for the CBS reality show Survivor 6: Amazon from their site after it was revealed a number of CBS employees had wagered on the event. 'Normally the product we offer for players to wager on isn't pre-determined,' said Rob Gillespie, BoDog President. 'But with Survivor most of the shows are pre-taped months ago and the only thing determined on live television is which of the final two contestants wins the $1-million.' Gillespie noted that the players in question, all residing in California, opened their accounts prior to Survivor 4: Marquesas and have only wagered on the show's outcome. 'It caught the attention of our security department after we noticed that these four individuals had all wagered the maximum amount on the same two contestants for the past three Survivor contests and were right on the final two contestants every time, assuring themselves a profit,' said Gillespie. BoDog's security department then attempted to contact each player to determine if they were wagering in violation of the BoDog Player Agreement which forbids groups of people to wager as a syndicate. 'Our rules are very clear on groups of people wagering on events with prior knowledge of the outcome,' said Gillespie. 'In this case our initial investigation determined that at least one of the clients worked for CBS in a production role and he may have provided information to the other players or they may have been wagering on his behalf.' Gillespie indicated the action taken from the CBS employees had skewed the odds so much on contestants Matt and Jenna that legitimate players were shying away from wagering. 'At the end of the day, we're in the entertainment business and a few people had to go and ruin it for the rest of our players,' said Gillespie. 'It's unfortunate, but we feel this course of action was appropriate.' Gillespie indicated they would offer odds on Survivor 7, but would strictly monitor all wagers to ensure regular clientele are not being negatively impacted.
Kathy O'Brien... The Sole Survivor! (I'd rather be delusional)
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bebekid 1621 desperate attention whore postings
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04-03-03, 01:07 PM (EST)
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18. "Great minds..." |
Hey ShowMeTheWinner!I just posted a new thresd on just this subject at the exact same time! Great minds think alike, and so do we! Mods, feel free to lock my thresd if you feel necessary. I'm not as sensitive as survivorscott! ;)  
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04-03-03, 02:48 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: It's confirmed...." |
BoDog and the rest of the online casinos are idiots for taking action on an event that has already happened anyways.I am still doubtful that the odds were skewed because of CBS employees and think this is more evidence of the spoiler information we have all been lead to believe by ChillOne. 
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heresy 94 desperate attention whore postings
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04-09-03, 05:14 PM (EST)
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20. "Confirmed as a FAKE" |
The above URL no longer exists, and the main web page for www.onlinecasinonews.com now redirects to www.cavecreek.net, a web hosting company.If you go to BODOG, you will see that they are still accepting bets on whether the winner is male or female. It is the only survivor-related item you can bet on. There is no indication that prior bets on the winner of Survivor were invalidated (or even accepted). If this article were true, I would have expected to see some information apologizing for the incident. I find it highly unlikely that they would continue to accept bets on male / female winner because these same people who placed these bets might know who the winner is! This has not hit ANY other news agency at any level. If real, I would have expected major coverage -- or at least a mention by the Survivor junkies at the local radio station. Looks like we've been duped!
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Barenaked Ladiesfan 34 desperate attention whore postings
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04-10-03, 08:55 AM (EST)
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21. "RE: Confirmed as a FAKE" |
I did go to BODOG and the only thing they are still booking is whether the winner is Male or Female. Could be that the story is true, afterall. ________________________________________
"This name is the hairshirt I wear, and this hairshirt is woven from your brown hair"--BNL, "What a Good Boy"
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FSUGUY 447 desperate attention whore postings
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04-10-03, 09:57 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: Confirmed as a FAKE" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-10-03 AT 12:22 PM (EST)betting $1000 on male and $1000 and female will lose you $100 (juice). betting $1000 on jenna at 4-1 odds could win $4000.
betting $1000 on matt at 5-1 odds could win $5000. you'd lose one $1000. but win on the other for a +$3000-$4000.
BODOG would lose their A$$ if they kept these odds up.
numbers are just made up for an example. keeping the male/female numbers makes sense. they make juice that covers the other side. Not that I've ever gambled or anything. this could be just a guess. yeah, that's it a guess!
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Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings
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04-10-03, 11:00 AM (EST)
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24. "RE: Confirmed as a FAKE - Sorry, not a fake" |
Uhm, you don't consider AP and UPI stories this weekend to be major news services? CBS even went so far as to issue a non-denial denial. I think this is probably pretty true.
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heresy 94 desperate attention whore postings
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04-10-03, 10:28 PM (EST)
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26. "Confirmed as a FAKE - Really a fake" |
>Uhm, you don't consider AP and UPI stories this weekend to
>be major news services? CBS even went so far
>as to issue a non-denial denial. I think this is
>probably pretty true. I consider the two agencies to be reliable. However, I just did a search for both service for the six weeks prior to the April 4th posting on the AP and UPI wires without any results for either the original "story" or the non-denial denial. Until I see a real source, I will consider this to be at the very least a rumor, if not a trick by EPM.
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Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings
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04-11-03, 11:12 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: Confirmed as a FAKE - Really a fake - No, not yet" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-11-03 AT 11:22 AM (EST)Let’s look at what you said: “The above URL no longer exists, and the main web page for www.onlinecasinonews.com now redirects to www.cavecreek.net, a web hosting company.” Well, the link still works. It might have been down when you tried it, but it’s up now. And the link from Snewser still works as well. “If you go to BODOG, you will see that they are still accepting bets on whether the winner is male or female. It is the only survivor-related item you can bet on. There is no indication that prior bets on the winner of Survivor were invalidated (or even accepted). If this article were true, I would have expected to see some information apologizing for the incident.
I find it highly unlikely that they would continue to accept bets on male / female winner because these same people who placed these bets might know who the winner is!” Well, if they knew who the winner was, why bet both Jenna and Matthew? Why not bet just the winner? Just betting the winner would draw less attention than betting two people and always betting the correct two finalists. But, if all you knew was the finalists, then bet that. But the statement I was most responding to was “This has not hit ANY other news agency at any level. If real, I would have expected major coverage -- or at least a mention by the Survivor junkies at the local radio station.” A quick google on “Matthew, Betting, BoDog” shows 12 stories from various papers, all in major markets, around the country. There were also stories on eonline, court tv, and CBS. Most are just running the AP story, but some did a little original work. As for the non-denial denial “Only ’The X-Files’ has more conspiracy theories than ‘Survivor,”’ CBS spokesman Chris Ender said. “Throughout the history of ‘Survivor,’ many have believed they knew the outcome of the show,” Ender said. “Some have been right, many have been wrong.” For all I know this may eventually turn out to be false – but if it is, someone has gone to a lot of work to plant this story and keep it going. So, it’s still too early to discount this one.
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28. "RE: Confirmed as a FAKE - Really a fake - No, not yet" |
Thanks for posting your sources, Weasel! I have to agree with you, both on your argument that the betters don't know the winner and that the story is valid.I now see the URL when I browse there. It is very unusual for a hosting company to redirect to their web site when one of their hosted web sites is down. I have not seen this before in my 10 years in the web development / hosting industry. Perhaps this is common in Costa Rica (where bodog is located)??? It is very strange to me that I cannot find the article on the online search engine -- searching for "survivor" anywhere in the article gives me only a few articles concerning the show, all on the Nielsen ratings for the week. I even set the search back 6 months to be sure. I'll follow up with their tech support to see what's going on. I can not believe that any newspaper would print the article or place it online with the AP mark. Faking the trademark would definitely result in a lawsuit, as well as loss of both AP and UPI wire privileges. Given the use of the trademark in most of the papers as found above, I have to assume that the article was on the wire at one point, even though I cannot find it now. The question to ask ourselves now is: "Would a casino willingly do this to themselves?" I think not. Chris Ender is wrong here -- there are more conspiracy theories for Survivor than X-Files ever dreamed of. I don't think even EPM could pull this one off. Can you imagine CBS news without the wire feeds?
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04-11-03, 05:03 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: Confirmed as a FAKE - Really a fake - No, not yet" |
AP storygo to Yahoo. click news. find search in news story box- Enter: Survivor betting. several stories.
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04-17-03, 11:55 AM (EST)
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35. "RE: Original BoDog odds" |
Found this in a post in the back pages – these are the original BoDog odds when betting first opened on Survivor 6:Odds to Win Survivor VI: The Amazon - on CBS. Odds are to win outright. Deena, Joanna 3/1
Jeanne, Roger 4/1
Heidi, Rob 5/1
Butch 6/1
Ryan, Shawna 7/1
Dave, Alex 8/1
Janet 9/1
Daniel, Christy 10/1
Jenna, Matt 12/1
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04-10-03, 09:49 AM (EST)
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22. "RE: JENNA vs. MATTHEW" |
MatthewI think if the jury votes on who played the game the best it will be Matthew, Jenna couldn't outwit a wet paper bag.
If they vote gender lines then Jenna.
God Bless America
There are two types of people, predators and prey, and the sound you hear is the sharpening of my claws.
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04-10-03, 11:46 AM (EST)
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25. "RE: JENNA vs. MATTHEW" |
OK, as I see the jury you will have:Women - Deena, Christy, Heidi
Men - Dave, Alex, Rob, Butch Gender lines means a man would win the show. And I disagree that Jenna could not outwit a paper bag. She is no Rocket Scientist, but she plays to her strenths. I simply don't see people voting for clueless Matt. Definitely not Rob. And Heidi and Deena will most likely vote for their alliance partner from the get go (Jenna) unless she stabs her in the back (highly likely). What is interesting though, is the fact that if Jenna wins then we have the alternate sex winner back into play. S1 - Richard (Boy)
S2 - Tina (girl)
S3 - Ethan (boy)
S4 - Vee (girl)
S5 - Brian (boy)
S6 - Jenna (girl) But as Brian showed last season, the winner of the final immunity curse coming in second was broken. So will this pattern also be broken? Time will tell, however, I think it already has. 
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30. "RE: JENNA vs. MATTHEW" |
"So lets go with the proposed final 2 of Matt/Jenna and try and figure out the votes..."Dave - I think he would vote for Matt because he has been in the thinking of "guys vs girls" the whole entire time. If it were Rob or Alex, he'd vote Jenna, though, because Alex and Rob betrayed the male alliance. Matt is just there, as he sees it, but I know better! Deena - Votes Jenna. Or does she? I think she's got a lot of respect for the game of Survivor but moreover for people who say curt things like "You screwed me, now screw you." Or does she sit back in the resort, waiting for the game to finish, reflecting upon Matt and feeling, wow, Jenna was a b!tch and Matt is a genius in hiding... See, I'm not sure about Deena. Not at all. She wasn't surprised enough when she got booted for me to fully trust that she will positively do any one thing. But I'd guess she ends up voting Matt. Alex - votes Jenna because she turned on Deena for him. *sniff* how romantic. Anyway, someone's gotta replace the void left after sick girl finally got the boot. Heidi - Jenna won't backstab Heidi. Even though they're both useless, it would seem really, really stupid to me to show the rest of the tribe that you are such a piece of sh!t that you turned on the one person everyone *knew* you were the tightest with. Rob - I want to say gut instinct he votes for Matt. They all seem to have this level of clarity come the last episode where they figure out what they've done and what others have done... I think he might lament what he's done to Matt and give him credit for getting so far on what Rob always perceived as dumb luck, until he got voted off and reflected upon it better, and realized Matt was the biggest player of them all. Christy - Matt. She's harboring angst for the girls that didn't run to her with open arms back in the days of the yellow buff. Although she feels Matt is creepy, she feels more strongly that Jenna is a pompous b!tch, so she votes Matt. Butch - he votes Matt because he thinks they have an alliance, even though, if you ask me, he is the sole citizen in a dictatorship run by Matt. He votes Matt because he's too dumb to see that Matt is just bossing him around "all talking is through me. no talking outside me. i am your link in the chain" and all that crap. Unless Butch has some revelation and says "hey, I'm voting Jenna because Matt thought he could just boss me around!" but I doubt it will all click that quickly. Matt. True to the penis alliance. So, I agree Matt will win. But I think it's 5-2.
I also think I could change my mind and argue why everyone will vote the *other* way, as well. Devil's advocate, anyone?
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31. "RE: JENNA vs. MATTHEW" |
First off, I think Matt is being edited as the winner. Jenna is being edited as lazy and really offering nothing to the tribe. She has also been shown to make some stupid moves like telling Dave the alliances. As for the voting: Christy: Matt - Jenna and Christy never bonded and Jenna has been shown to be laying around camp and not be contributing much. That is big to Christy. Matt on the other hand has worked his butt off. Butch: Matt and Butch have an alliance. Rob: Well see the light and vote for Matt. Alex: Tight bond with Jenna. Will vote for jenna Heidi: See Alex. Dave: Up in the air. I think he will see that Matt beat him in tribal council and that Matt has worked hard (he is about intregity) and also will vote with his male alliance even though matt was persuaded to vote against him, but Dave knows that it was either Matt or him that was going when he did so Matt had no other choice. So I am leaning towards matt. But Dave also said very nice things about Jenna when he was booted and considered her his friend. Deena: Up in the Air. I could flip a coin on her. So slight for sure edge to Matt. 3 to 2. With two swing votes. Jenna could win if she gets Deena and Dave's vote.
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82. "RE: JENNA vs. MATTHEW" |
I agree, from what has happened so far, that Matt will win. However, Jenna is now in the minority and if she gets to the F2, she must have done quite a bit. That might make some of the jurors vote for her.
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32. "Purple Rock?" |
I'm still honestly having trouble seeing a situation where Matthew and Jenna make the final 2 with the current alliances. I can see Jenna getting a F5 immunity, keeping her around, but I don't see her going on the IC run necessary to go all the way, not if she ends up on the bad end of a M/B/C alliance.Here's how I can see this going right now:
Alex/Heidi/Rob/Jenna/Butch/Christy and Matt F2. Rob switches to B/C/M when he realizes the best he can finish there is 4th, they then start to Pagong the Beach Blanket Bimbos, Alex first, then Heidi. Then Jenna wins F5 IC, forcing BCM to boot Rob, the least trustworthy of their alliance. Regardless of who wins final Immunity, Butch is gone, as he's too nice, I could see him winning a jury vote against Christy and Matt. So our problem is at F4. I just don't see Jenna going on a big immunity surge (i.e., winning more than one in a row), and if it's Fallen Comrades I would think Butch would have an edge here. So Jenna almost has to go at this spot. There's only one way Christy goes in the F4 spot. The purple rock. But who would force the tie? I'm really stuck here, can anyone help me out?   
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04-17-03, 11:31 AM (EST)
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33. "RE: Purple Rock?" |
I don't know, if it were me I would not want to go up against Christy in the Final 2. I think that there would be too great a risk that everything we know about alliances and game play would be thrown out the window in favor of an emotional vote for the "handicapped" girl. Not saying it's right, but that's it's a possibility.
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36. "No Purple Rock" |
Purple Rock only comes into play if there is a 2 to 2 tie. I don't see that happening.You're 'comments' are all moot. The final 2 are Matt and Jenna. Otherwise why are you sticking with the rest of ClillOne's boot order? Not only does ChillOne predict but so do the CBS employees who bet in the winner. Matt could decide to take Jenna instead of Butch (Christy gets 4th place). Or better yet, Jenna takes Matt because she views Matt as being viewed as psycho and an easier defeat. Christy gets forth probably because the other three view her as a sure winner if she makes it to the final 2. As for immunity, it does look like Jenna does win immunity twice for sure the second one. Remember what the final two immunities usually are: some kind of balancing test and the fallen comrades trivia. She could easily win those challenges. But doesn't necessarily need too if the other view Christy as too big of a threat.
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39. "RE: Purple Rock?" |
Will we ever see a challenge after a tie vote?where either the loser leaves or only the winner can vote.
or the contestants that are tied only compete. not a rock or question thing - a real physical/mental challenge.
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37. "Surprise Ending?" |
From ETonline:The editor's five top choices are: the series finale of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," the 45-minute wedding finale on "Everybody Loves Raymond," ABC's 50th Anniversary Celebration, "Malcolm in the Middle" in which Lois (JANE KACZMAREK) gives birth to kid No. 5, and the "Survivor: The Amazon" finale, which Roush promises will have a surprise ending.Based on what we know of who the Final 4 are, and the editing to this point, Matthew winning would be the biggest surprise to the general viewing audience... 
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38. "RE: Surprise Ending?" |
Unless that is nothing by hype or a surprise that doesn't have to do with who wins per se but perhaps how the finale ends or something. Mind you also to the general viewing audience Jenna is as much as a surprise I would think as Matthew would be too. Stand back outside as a spoiling group and the way things are dissected by us; Jenna? Me personally, would not conceive her as the winner at all and in fact, prior to CO, I doubt the majority did. I heard mentions of (as far as women) Shawna the huge favorite with Christy right behind her followed by smatterings of Jeanne and mentions of Deena and Heidi (b/c of her Heidi's description, sports/ spunky etc ) Jenna? Nope. In fact that article from Dallas Morning News described her as strange and wondered if her fellow survivors would be creeped out as well?
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04-17-03, 02:49 PM (EST)
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40. "RE: Surprise Ending?" |
I agree. There’s a Survivor pool here at work. The person who runs it, and most of the people who participate in it, are big Survivor fans, but only two of us are what would be considered members of the spoiler community. No one picked Jenna to win, I’m the only person who picked Matt, and if Alex goes in Ep. 10, he’ll take half of the participants with him. So I think, for the general public, a Matt-Jenna finale would come as a huge surprise. (Note: Yes, I do think the fact that my money is riding on Matt has colored my perceptions of him and led to my defense of him on these boards. So sue me.)
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04-17-03, 03:01 PM (EST)
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41. "RE: Surprise Ending?" |
And to support that, if you'll scan up to where I posted the original BoDog odds for Season 6, you'll see that when betting first opened Matt and Jenna were tied with the worst odds for winning.
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42. "RE: Surprise Ending?" |
OK, I too may be letting my own opinion of who wins influence my interpretation...but I think we can all agree that a Matthew/Jenna F2 meets the definition of "Surprise Ending"...
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04-22-03, 01:25 PM (EST)
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57. "RE: Surprise Ending?" |
CBS's version of a surprise could have nothing to do with the actual outcome of S6. How about an announcement of the All-star Survivor cast?
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04-24-03, 04:06 PM (EST)
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66. "RE: Surprise Ending?" |
do the ppl you work w/ know you are reading spoilers in order to pick in the pool? i think that might be cheating...
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04-24-03, 04:38 PM (EST)
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68. "RE: Surprise Ending?" |
I've never mentioned it to anyone, but I don't know if anyone would think it's cheating. I don't think it's cheating when people read NFL sites prior to submitting their weekly football picks. Our pool works like this - we have to submit picks at the start of the season, and once you're pick is in, you can't change it. So, at the time I picked Matt all I had was the CBS bio and the ChillOne info.
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04-17-03, 03:27 PM (EST)
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43. "What if ChillOne hadn't come along?" |
This might deserve it’s own thread, but what do folks think the state of the spoiling overall would be without ChillOne? So much of what we’ve done lately has been based on getting to the C1 F4. Without that, wouldn’t we all be thinking pagonging by the Kewl Kids, with Alex as at worst a F2 candidate?
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44. "RE: What if ChillOne hadn't come along?" |
Weasel if there were no CO as far as I am concerned I would have been toast a while ago. Prior to the show starting I had Shawna as an early favorite for the women with Jeanne as a potential and I believe I selected Alex or Dave as the male favorite with I believe Butch as a possible but due to my personal, irrational and of course it isn't true belief that somewhere somehow MB managed to make each season an alternate gender win, I went with Shawna winning it all since last season a male won.After the first episode I still thought Shawna along with Alex/Dave so while I managed to get Alex so far (but alas I know I will be wrong) I was very wrong So yes, it is a surprise so to speak b/c neither of these two are what we typically would conceive as reaching the final two. In fact based on the bios and pre show stuff, I immediately thought Matthew would be arrogant and try to be an immediate leader and I thought Jenna would be the fluff of the season and would last maybe a couple of episodes or so, she was certainly NOT my season's sweetheart. I attributed her more towards a Jerri type.
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45. "Pat Pat Pat" |
To my credit I picked Matt before ChillOne's spoilers. I feel those in their early thirtys usually are best equiped to win a game like Survivor. Must be physically fit and mentally mature to win. The only two that fit in the 30-35 age group were Matt and Alex. And I heard from someone (tv guide?) that Alex was the bossy one not Roger so I went with Matt.As for the Chillone spoiler I wish it didn't exist. I don't like being told the winner of things before it happens. For this reason this will be my last season on this board.
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46. "RE: Pat Pat Pat" |
Wacko,
you are on to something that I have highlighted to anyone who wants to listen. So far our winners have ranged from 27- 40. Ethan was the only one less then 30 and in Africa, where there was only one player in his 30's... Lex, who most agree was the best "player". Before the show started I picked Matt and Alex for the very exact reasons along with Deena, but worried that an attorney would be a little too bossy, hmmm, imagine that.
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72. "RE: Pat Pat Pat" |
>As for the Chillone spoiler I wish it didn't exist. I don't like being told the winner of things before it happens. For this reason this will be my last season on this board. Advice from someone who had intended to avoid spoilers this season. You will have to avoid ALL Survivor sites. ChillOne and the betting scandal were reported on all the different news sites and turned up in threads on both Fanatics and Bashers here on SB. That's why I finally gave up and came back, so at least I could judge the info for myself. And start avoiding them long before S7 starts, probably a couple of months. 
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76. "RE: Pat Pat Pat" |
Yes, several news sites and newspapers also reported the Matt & Jenna final 2. I know people who never visit spoiler sites and they have also heard about the betting scandal. It would have been very hard to avoid this season.
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55. "RE: What if ChillOne hadn't come along?" |
I had the very same impressions from the preshow bios...
I fully expected Matt to be an insufferable snob.
I also mentally pegged Ryan as the first to go from the male tribe, and Jenna as the first to go from the female tribe - because from their bios I assumed they would be immature, lazy, self-centered and annoying to their tribemates.I was right about the people, but only one of the boots -- why? I think because of the gender-divided tribes. I bet if the tribes had been mixed from the beginning, we would have seen Jenna &/or Heidi taken out early. The women's votes were so scattered at that first TC, because they were all scrambling to NOT be pegged the leader -- a little male influence would have focused them, or at least forced more communication between them ('these guys say this, but I think...') I think the gender dynamics have made a HUGE difference in this season. Just picture what would have happened if Roger, Heidi & Jenna were on the same starting tribe, and Ryan was on another beach.
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67. "RE: What if ChillOne hadn't come along?" |
i have to say no to this based on the fact that aside from matt, alex is the most physical threat, and therefore most likely to be voted off before others, and not make it to the F2. if it weren't for CO, i'd have to say the final 2 are rob and matt. but i guess we all know better now.
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47. "4 are assured, 3 are not" |
If it comes to Matt v Jenna, as expected, I see 4 votes that are predictable with some degree of certainty, and 3 that are not.Butch - Matt- they have aligned for awhile
Christy - Matt - she never liked Jenna, and knows she (C) is on the outside of the 'cute set'
Heidi -Jenna - no question here
Alex - Jenna - also very close to Jenna But---
Rob, Deena and Dave are all anything but sure- Dave may stay true to the males and those outside of the main alliance, and vote for Matt, but he did enjoy the night with Jenna. Deena - had an alliance with Jenna, but was betrayed for odd reasons (Jenna said A/H/J were the 'original alliance" - that is odd), may respect Matt for survival skills; on the other hand she is strongly pro-female, so that could be reason enough to vote Jenna Rob - you would think he still has some sort of crush on Jenna as a cute female, but Rob is a serious student of the Survivor game - may well come to respect Matt for having 'bested' him in the end. It is still anybody's game.
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49. "RE: 4 are assured, 3 are not" |
I think Rob's vote will reflect how much time he actually spends at Loozer Lodge. I doubt if he will have an epiphany if he is there less than a week (having made it so deep into the game) but instead will hold onto his self-image as the best player in the game, and will probably loathe anyone who gets to F2 mainly because of an IC run (especially if it is a long one)."If all machines were to be annihilated at one moment, so that not a knife nor lever nor rag of clothing nor anything whatsoever were left to man but his bare body alone that he was born with, and if all knowledge of mechanical laws were taken from him so that he could make no more machines, and all machine-made food destroyed so that the race of man should be left as it were naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")
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50. "RE: 4 are assured, 3 are not" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-19-03 AT 07:15 AM (EST)I agree with your thoughts on Heidi, Alex and Butch. I also think Christy would vote for Matt but she has said she was creeped out by him. For Christy it may be the lesser of two...although the jury speach could be key for her....Which brings me to Dave who I believe still has his vote up in the air at the moment. I think being at LL so long will make you less bitter and make you think about the game more. I'd be curious as to the voting pattern of some of the previous Survivor early jurors. IE..did they stick with their original friendships or does it appear they made a more "informed" decision. If you check out the threads of Deena's Early Show spot as welll as her Chat you will see that she does not like Matt at all. She was bothered that Jenna would feel betrayed but still liked her. She especially liked Rob, which leads me to believe that all things being equall in female vs male she will vote female but she will vote for a male so long as it's Rob. Rob's vote is a wild card. Just because he played the game with strategy doesn't mean he will vote that way. He may view Matt as a dupe and a bit creepy(although I think some of his talk is hyperbole), but he really doesn't like Jenna or Heidi as people. He really resents them because of their looks and would believe that they get everything else good in life they don't need to win survivor as well. I'm going to save my opinion on his vote until just before the finale and even then I'd like to have the power to change it after the speaches and the Q and A.
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51. "RE: 4 are assured, 3 are not" |
I think alot of it will depend on just how Jenna gets to the final 2. Does she betray her friends and backstab them? If so they may not vote for her. In the past we have been completely surprised by some people's votes. I think some of them even deliberately talk negatively about the people they voted for when they do their chats just to throw us off. It's their own personal little way to affect the outcome. Plus often they have voted for someone they did like in the game only to watch the show and see themselves bad-mouthed by that very person. Then they regret their vote. So it all depends on the emotions of the person at the time of the vote.
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52. "RE: 4 are assured, 3 are not" |
Another thing to consider with the voting is that Jenna may get at least one sympathy vote. Didn't someone mention (maybe Deena's chat) that Jenna's family has over $100,000 in medical bills? I could definitely see Dave and maybe Deena voting for Jenna because they feel like she needs the money more.
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54. "Income & Editting" |
First off, don't you think Matt is being edited to be the winner? Jenna on the other hand they just keep showing her doing one thing stupid thing after another (washing the buffs, revealing her alliances, alienating the deaf girl, stripping, etc). Don't you think that these are things coming from a person that Burnett would not want to win. Verses Matt, the Underdog always makes a nice story. But as for income that is a good point. But I still don't see any mention of the medical bills. Maybe this week. But Matt I believe is a rich kid and they may say Matt does not need the money. Although, I wonder how much they know about Matt's income and education. They talk about him like he is somekind of idiot. The editing thus far tells me Matt is the winner.
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56. "RE: Income & Editting" |
You're right WJ, they haven't shown us anything about Jenna's mother or her medical bills yet. That may be a key thing to look for in the editing in this week's show - if they show Jenna going into a lot of detail about her mother's illness AND how much it is costing the family, it may be an attempt to make her look less like a tool and more like a sympathetic character so that the audience will start to root for her to win. However, if they just show good news about her mother's health but leave off info about the expenses, it could be a telling sign about the eventual victor.
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58. "RE: Income & Editting" |
Deena said in one of her chats or interviews that no one ever opined that "so-and-so doesn't need the money", but everyone, including herself, tried to play the "poor me" card. If that's true, I don't know if Jenna would get any sympathy votes at F2.
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59. "RE: Income & Editting" |
I wasn't thinking so much of sympathy votes from the jury so much as I was thinking of sympathy in the minds of the viewing public. I agree with those who feel Matt has been edited to make him sympathetic to the viewers and that Jenna hasn't. By the way, this is my 100th post! Do I get to select something from the Blows Milestone Recognition Catalog?
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61. "RE: Income & Editting" |
I know, I was just throwing this in regarding the whole "sympathy" issue, but really I should have responded under Solitaire, who speculated Jenna might get a sympathy jury vote.Cheers to your 100th post, DW!
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62. "RE: Income & Editting" |
A thought -- In Thailand, Helen was QUITE put out by Brian's apparent financial comfort (as seen in the family videos)...yet she voted for him to win.
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69. "RE: Income & Editting" |
As much of a lazy doofus as Clay was, that is hardly surprising. Though Helen obviously thought of Brian as an arrogant, lying, backstabbing sack of crap, Clay was also very arrogant and was a lazy male chauvinist pig. So faced with a choice between two guys she heartily detested, Helen picked Brian, the one she respected more. Here in S6, based on CO, Milkshaky and others, the backstabbing, lying sacks of crap and the other really objectionable characters will have been pretty much removed by the time of the final 4, so it's not going to be the same kind of "lesser of 2 evils" choice we had then. It's probably going to be a pretty basic choice of the harder worker (Matt) vs. the one who could use the money (Jenna). Depending on what factors people use to make their choices, it can go either way, but I'm sure of this: Whoever wins and whatever the vote totals are, it's gonna be a really close call for several of the jurors.
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04-27-03, 01:10 PM (EST)
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83. "I think Rob's Vote is Obvious" |
After betraying Heidi and Jenna, and after seeing the previews for next week when he and Jenna go into a shouting match, I think its apparently obvious that Rob's vote will go to Matt. Jenna will obviously not listen to Rob and whatever explanation he comes up with, he will be able to see that Jenna doesn't really 'know' the game and will vote for Matt based on his respect for him. As long as Matt doesn't say anything stupid to Rob (ie: like Alex did) about his vote going for him over Butch or whatever, then things will be fine. I also want to say that Dave will vote for Jenna, BUT, that depends on whether he thought Matt and the men were aligned with him and he feels betrayed, or whether he thinks that the J/H/A/R alliance was what did him in. Since all the votes went to Dave that night and he can't rule out anyone as a betrayer, I think it will come down to who he thinks worked the hardest, being that he was a worker himself, and that's Matthew. One more factor that will make sure its not a 5 to 2 vote in favor of Matt is the whole Jenna's-mom-has-cancer sympathy vote. But if you remember, in S2 Australlia, Elisabeth's mom was sick and that didn't help her out any. I think it goes to Matthew. At least I hope so.
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04-23-03, 10:34 AM (EST)
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63. "Survivor Intelligence Agency says Matt is Winner." |
This subject may warrant it's own thresd, but in the meantime:http://www.siaspoiling.com/ The SIA wishes to congratulate: Matthew Von Ertfelda on winning Survivor: Amazon. Congratulations Matthew. Beating Jenna by one vote was no easy feat! Discuss. 
-Is shocked that Matt wins. Not really. Hey, who called it first on this board? Pepe?
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04-23-03, 11:46 AM (EST)
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64. "RE: Survivor Intelligence Agency says Matt is Winner." |
Reasonable speculation...not likely anything more.
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04-23-03, 12:25 PM (EST)
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65. "RE: Survivor Intelligence Agency says Matt is Winner." |
Agreed.I guess SIA wanted to be the first site to "officially" pick a winner. Pretty safe bet based on the spoilers we have.
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04-24-03, 06:47 PM (EST)
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70. "RE: Survivor Intelligence Agency says Matt is Winner." |
Only a 50-50 shot, though. I wouldn't have big enough nads to bet either way on that unless somebody gave me good odds.
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PepeLePew13 26135 desperate attention whore postings
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04-24-03, 10:06 PM (EST)
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73. "RE: Survivor Intelligence Agency says Matt is Winner." |
>-Is shocked that Matt wins. Not really. Hey, who
>called it first on this board? Pepe? *ahem* ... I think there was one person who posted a prediction of Matthew winning on the PTTE thread over on the Fanatics board before I posted mine, but yeah I did have a thread about it a number of weeks ago saying that I thought Matthew would be the winner. Tonight's show just helped reinforce my feeling even further with his confessional on how he's "so clueless" and Rob's "so knowledgable" -- the fact that Matthew says this means he knows what he's doing in the game and he knows he's putting out one hell of a facade to the others in the game. He also laughed it up during the IC about how everyone thinks he's crazy, again a facade. I also noticed that Matthew said to Rob he's "had a lot of conversations" with Christy, but I don't think we've ever been shown a single conversation between Matthew and Christy alone. Hidden alliances lasts to the final episode, while revealed alliances usually fail. Mmmmm... could ChillOne be slightly off and Christy is BOTH the deaf girl and the one who starts off looking okay and ends up looking pretty good by the finale? She IS looking considerably more eye-catching than she was at the start. Just a thought to throw the name of Christy out there as a finalist, although I'm still on the bandwagon that it's Jenna in the F2 for now.
 
Heidi: My biggest assets to the tribe are my athletic skills and my intelligence. I've lost one of them.
Jiffy: Which one?
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04-25-03, 06:13 PM (EST)
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79. "RE: Survivor Intelligence Agency says Matt is Winner." |
*sigh* I would love to see Jenna booted. I hope CO is off by this much.Alas, I'm more influenced by the betting fiasco M/J F2 than by Chillone.
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04-24-03, 10:20 PM (EST)
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74. "RE: Survivor Intelligence Agency says Matt is Winner." |
Based on tonight's editing (and previous editing), I would be surprised if Jenna beats Matt. She is being portrayed much more negatively than Matt (unless MB is editing to throw us off the Jenna trail). I think this season should prove to MB that he should not be worried about spoiling. This season has been spoiled more than just about any other earlier than any other (between ChillOne and the betting scandal, anyone who wants to know now knows how the rest of the series goes can find out). Ratings, however, are still pretty good. Survivor is one of the only reality series that seems to be holding up. It is the storytelling that gets viewers, not the "surprise" per se.What I really don't think MB wants is an unsatisfied general audience. He needs people to be happy with the winner. If Jenna did win, I think MB would be trying harder to make her more likable (assuming there is footage out there that could do that). Matt is being portrayed as the perfect underdog. That is a much more interesting story to tell and it seems pretty clear it is the story MB is telling.
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04-25-03, 07:05 AM (EST)
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75. "RE: Survivor Intelligence Agency says Matt is Winner." |
The editing of the vidcaps being released for the next episode backs you up here, zzz. Jenna is most definitely NOT being edited positively with her confrontation with Rob and her unwillingness to help out around camp -- the only positive editing we've seen is the tears over the family letter from home and her mom's situation.Not only is she being edited negatively, but her spat with Rob pretty much guarantees that she won't be getting a vote from him in the final voting. Rob will have a little time on the jury so he can work on Dave and Deena to not vote for Jenna, perhaps. The pieces are gradually falling into place and things are starting to make sense why Matthew could be the winner.
Heidi: My biggest assets to the tribe are my athletic skills and my intelligence. I've lost one of them.
Jiffy: Which one?
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04-25-03, 11:10 AM (EST)
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77. "RE: Survivor Intelligence Agency says Matt is Winner." |
First off my odiforous friend CONGRATS!!! You are amazing and put all of us on the right track with your observations about Matt. I agreed with you when you first posted it and nothing has changed. Jenna is absolutely not being edited in the winner's light which puzzles me. Rumors have been flying that a female wins tying in with the whole "amazonian princess" theme. If this is Jenna she may be being set up for a redemtion (doubtful) or an IC run (unlikely), in either case this clearly a departure from the editing that we have seen for past Survivor winners. IMHO, Jenna does not win the F2 because there just isn't enough time left to make her likable and MB would be setting himself up for another Vee debacle. Christy, Christy...what to make of Christy. She is certainly peceptive and pulls no punches. She hasn't screwed anyone over, she hasn't lied and she she has worked like a dog around camp. SHE is being edited in a very positive and heartwarming way. I for one feel she is far more beautiful than the silicone sisters and as I have been saying since day 1, MB would be a fool if he didn't play up her disability. People WANT to see the underdog come out on top because face it, we want someone we can relate to. Every woman out there would be vilified if the silicones were defeated because they are every average looking girl's highschool nightmare. You're right Pepe , Christy is looking better. 
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04-25-03, 12:24 PM (EST)
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78. "RE: Survivor Intelligence Agency says Matt is Winner." |
The one part of Chillone's intel that bothers me is the statement about the final female - "started out hated by everyone but ends up being the cutest and most liked". The statement could mostly be about weightloss and appearance, and not personality, I think. I'm paraphrasing, but it is something to that effect.That is CHRISTY right now. How can that be Jenna? The only way this can be Jenna IMHO is we see some major redemption going on soon, or Chillone's intel doesn't have a CLUE. Jenna's appearance is as scary as her personality.
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04-25-03, 06:17 PM (EST)
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80. "RE: Survivor Intelligence Agency says Matt is Winner." |
> Jenna's appearance is as
>scary as her personality. True -- she's catching up on Heidi in the Skeletor look alike contest. Sorry, this is a bash, not a spoil.
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04-28-03, 11:29 AM (EST)
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84. "RE: Survivor Intelligence Agency says Matt is Winner." |
In the CO thread he states;***********************************************
In an earlier post, I said: Quote:
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My Final 4 (based on intel) is: 1. Jenna
2. Deaf Girl
3. Older man ... 50
4. Younger man ... 26 (with an athletic/strong build)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------- where the Older Man could be either Roger or Butch (I'm not sure) and the Younger Man could be Alex, Dave, or Matthew (I'm not sure). I'll let this forum try to figure it out. Well, The ChillOne is not done yet ... further intel tells me that: 4th place: Deaf girl
3rd place: Roger or Butch which leaves Jenna and either Alex, Dave, or Matthew as the sole survivor.
*********************************************** He is specifically stating that Christy is the first to go of the final four and that Butch is next. The question at this point, working on the assumption that all the above is true is how can this happen without Jenna going on an immunity run as stated in another post? Is the following scenario likely? TC 13: Jenna wins immunity and with the close bond that Butch and Matt have they vote out Christy. TC 14: Jenna wins immunity and picks Matt over Butch. Her thinking, I know that implying that she can think is pretty far fetched, is almost everyone on the jury thinks Matt is a psycho and that will work to her favor. Thoughts?
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04-28-03, 12:41 PM (EST)
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87. "RE: Survivor Intelligence Agency says Matt is Winner." |
>TC 13: Jenna wins immunity and with the close bond that Butch and Matt have they vote out Christy.<I see this as very likely...it's possible that M/B have started to think about F2, and keep Jenna over Christy as less likable, but my gut feeling is that she gets immunity here. >TC 14: Jenna wins immunity and picks Matt over Butch. Her thinking, I know that implying that she can think is pretty far fetched, is almost everyone on the jury thinks Matt is a psycho and that will work to her favor. < While this is certainly possible, I don't think its necessary. By now we know that at least Matt, and probably Butch too, are thinking more about the game than previously edited...they know about jury votes. I think its just as likely that Matt takes Jenna into F2 as vice-versa.
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04-28-03, 12:33 PM (EST)
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86. "RE: Survivor Intelligence Agency says Matt is Winner." |
Yeah, I'm going to reply to myself.... this is the part that doesn't make sense:From Chillone: "Intel also mentions that this Final 4 contestant 'was not the most attractive/hot (what have you) in the beginning (as compared to a Jenna/swimsuit model type), but, at the end (after loosing some weight), turned out to be the most attractive.' This was in the eyes of my sources." After losing some weight??? I think they were confusing Christy and Jenna. But anyway.... doesn't really matter I guess.
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04-28-03, 12:17 PM (EST)
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85. "The female villain of S6" |
Remember the Jiffy comment from way back when, that there is a female villain in S6? At the time there was no way to tell you it might be. This was back when even Jeanne and Joanna were still in the game. But now, it seems clear. Jenna is the clear villain. The nasty b____ who is so self absorbed she can't even see her fellow teammate Chrsity as a person with feelings, and a right to win challenges and prizes like anyone else, and who deserves the courtesy of a teammate at least speaking to them before day 5!! I expect Jenna will be painted worse and worse with each passing week, building up to the climax when -- SHE LOSES TO MATT!!
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04-28-03, 04:53 PM (EST)
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88. "Female better liked than male" |
Didn't Chillone say that the female was better liked than the male in F2?That certainly doesn't seem to be the case lately. Everyone seems to think Matt is strange, but harmless and trustworthy, while at the same time they seem to have Jenna's number. Maybe CO's source was stuck in the past when Matt was creepy and Jenna was UTR.
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