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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-27-02, 07:34 AM (EST) "Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" There was a thread about Ghandia's "stars of the show", but that one went off in a different direction. I want to re-visit the issue here, because I think it's becoming very big. Ghandia's stars are certainly that in the early going, and this is fast becoming reliable, "hot" spoiler information: Ghandia's stars are: Brian Ghandia Tanya (definitely) Jed Ken Robb Shii Ann The others: Clay Helen Jan John Ted Erin Jake Penny Stephanie First: I expect that Ghandia doesn't make the merge; hence, she is in Loser Lodge. If you disagree, make your case here, as I would love to hear the viewpoints! Okay, the stars: Tanya was "definitely" a star... well, if that's what you want to call a girl whose claim to Survivor fame is upchucking all day and being voted out second... but Ghandia liked Tanya, they voted alike in the TC, so it's reasonable to think that they're friends and will be friends in Loser Lodge. This leaves Brian from ChewingGum. Why is he one of her stars? Does he take up for her in the upcoming Ep.3 battle? Does this mean he's waxed soon? Do Brian and Ghandia make the tribal swap and THEN Brian gets voted out, and so has time to bond with Ghandia in loser lodge? Things to consider... but Brian is a wildcard here (pun not intended ) and needs further discussion. Now the "stars" from PurplePeople were certainly that in Ep. 2. Shii Ann was narrarating, and Jed was trying so very hard to make an outcast of himself. Robb got time in Ep.1. Also, Robb and Shii Ann are on Ghandia's "smokers" list. Now how does Ghandia know about these peeps? Tribal swap? Loser Lodge? To me, Loser Lodge is the immediate answer (and one reason I voted for Shii Ann to be booted in Ep. 2), but that entails that 2 of the peeps (Robb and Shii) in what appeared to be a 5-person group would be waxed. What massive change could happen to cause that?! Now Jed, after Ep. 2, seems destined for Loser Lodge, so it's likely Ghandia got to know him there. That leaves Ken. Why is he on the stars list? Because of his IRL background? Does he get to know Ghandia (and vice versa) through the tribal swap? The non-stars: We know that Ghandia is going to have a huge falling out with Ted AND Clay (the previews were clear about Ted/Ghandia, and we saw Clay debate Ghandia while considering who to vote out, which to me is a portent of things to come). Considering that Jan is apparently part of the Ted/Clay alliance group, it would be reasonable to consider that Ghandia and Jan will soon not be on friendly terms. We also know from Ep. 2 that Ghandia doesn't like Helen. As to Erin, Jake and Penny, I personally suspect that Ghandia simply doesn't get to know them. So that means she likely doesn't swap into a new tribe with them (via swap OR merge), nor sees them in Loser Lodge. This leaves Stephanie, and a ton of speculation. Either Ghandia doesn't know Steph, or doesn't like Steph. Does this mean that Stephanie makes the merge (or Ghandia does and Steph doesn't)? I'm going to have to think a lot more about this one, as I suspect it is a KEY factor in this game (IS Stephanie vulerable to be evicted, or NOT??!??!) And I would love to hear your comments on this. Okay, I think that does it for now. Please share your thoughts and ideas. This could be huge information, or nothing, but it'll certainly be fun hashing it out. Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... wendyp 09-27-02 1  RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... samiam 09-27-02 2    RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... ShowMeTheWinner 09-28-02 14  RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... snoocharoo 09-27-02 3    RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... ZJ 09-27-02 4        RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... snoocharoo 09-27-02 6        Tribal Switch ZJ 09-27-02 7    RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... jkokoj 09-27-02 5  RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... ulalame 09-27-02 8    RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... ZJ 09-27-02 9  Jed MattyMax 09-27-02 10    RE: Jed I_AM_HE 09-27-02 11  RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... Yogi 09-28-02 12    RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... ZJ 09-28-02 13  RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... dabo 09-28-02 15    RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... BMH 09-28-02 16        RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... erikman 09-28-02 17            What If ZJ 09-29-02 18            RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... PepeLePew13 10-03-02 20  Addendum SurvivinDawg 10-03-02 19    RE: Addendum munson 10-03-02 21        RE: Addendum Outfrontgirl 10-03-02 22            RE: Addendum munson 10-03-02 23                RE: Addendum ZJ 10-04-02 24  RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... Transporter Ring 10-05-02 25    RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... Outfrontgirl 10-05-02 26        RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... Yogi 10-05-02 27            RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... Outfrontgirl 10-05-02 28                RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... true 10-06-02 30            RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... BMH 10-05-02 29                RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... ulalame 10-06-02 38        RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... true 10-06-02 32            RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... Outfrontgirl 10-06-02 34                RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... true 10-06-02 35                    RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "star... Outfrontgirl 10-06-02 36  Back to Ghandia's quotes Outfrontgirl 10-06-02 31    RE: Back to Ghandia's quotes ZJ 10-06-02 33        RE: Back to Ghandia's quotes Krautboy 10-06-02 37    Hey folks: stars do NOT = cigarette... SurvivinDawg 10-06-02 39        RE: Hey folks: stars do NOT = cigar... idiotcowboy 10-06-02 40  Hey Dawg true 10-06-02 41  Some General Thoughts on this Threa... ulalame 10-06-02 42    RE: Some General Thoughts on this T... Outfrontgirl 10-06-02 43        RE: Some General Thoughts on this T... idiotcowboy 10-06-02 44  SMOKING: pre game event VanQ 10-06-02 45

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wendyp 2081 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 09-27-02, 12:03 PM (EST) 1. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" Great summary!! Stars of the show . . . Ken Anothe way to look at Ken is that maybe she includes him because he is NY cop. All of the survivors clapped for him when he said waht he did. Maybe she did not know him but wanted him to get attention because of what he did. Brian does not seem like a start yet, but that could change. Many think he goes far, but Tanya's early show comment makes you wonder. I do not see him leaving before Ghandia or Jan if the tribes stay the same. But I do see him leaving if there is a swap and it is uneven like last year. Super Jocks would at least know the game well enough to vote out the other tribe members to try and have an advantage at merger Stephanie is a wild card, but I wonder if she will be the Kathy of this season. The person you think will be voted off and stays.   Top

samiam 5976 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-27-02, 12:40 PM (EST) 2. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" Perhaps this is a stupid question, but what the hell. How does Ghandia know who the "stars" are? Does she get a sneak peek into MB's editing room? I mean, I'd say Helen was a "star" in Ep 2, but Gdiva doesn't mention her. How does she know who the "stars" are on the other tribe, other than possibly a swap? Does this mean that Erin, Jake, Penny, and Stephanie comprise a team after the swap, and Ghandia never gets to know them, because she goes to LL pre-merge and they make the Jury? That would fit with the rumors that all the interesting people get voted off first...although I haven't heard weight loss spoilers for any of them except Erin. I'm actually leaning towards a skewed interpretation of the word "star"...perhaps she means simply people she considers to be nice. Her pals. Her personal stars. NOT people that are necessarily featured in the episodes...how could she know that? "It has yet to be proven that intelligence has any survival value." -- Arthur C. Clarke   Top

ShowMeTheWinner 962 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 09-28-02, 12:06 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" Okay, okay... so my first "stars" interpretation proved to be wrong and Ghandia listed Tanya as a star even when she did nothing but puke all day. Anyway from what it looks at this point, I agree with samiam that the "stars" are her personal stars. She probably bonded best with Tanya during the show, hence her "definite star" status. Kathy O'Brien... The Sole Survivor! (I'd rather be delusional)   Top

snoocharoo 1 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 09-27-02, 01:07 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" Brian.... Brian's story hasn't even started, we know nothing about him other than he can't play guitar very well and is viewed as a "brother" figure in the Chuay's. Additionally, we have photos of him MUCH thinner, bearded and scraggly looking. The general concensus seems to be that Brian, Clay, Ted, Jan and Helen are alligned with Ghandia as the outsider. Does Brian side with Ghandia which pisses off Ted and gang enough to cut him from the alliance, I doubt it. Still Tanya's Early Show comment bothered me, perhaps Brian's story begins to be told in Ep.3. RoBBB's comment... I'm really feeling that Brian and Jed are the two that fight and RoBBBBB's comments are aimed at either Jed (for being a general waste of space on the tribe, thus a whiny, little punk) OR are aimed at Brian who may have complained that Jed didn't fight fair resulting in some kind of penalty which pisses off the Sooks who complain mightily to Jake. Ghandia's Stars... Ghandia's stars are just that ...HER stars, people she got along with or respected. Her list carries very little weight with me, like other "friends" lists from past Survivors. Was it confimed that GDiva is in fact Ghandia? Do we know for a fact that this list came from her? Snoocharoo <= Brian can be my porn star anytime....   Top

ZJ 137 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 09-27-02, 01:19 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" Remember Tanya paused a while before selecting Brian... I think she was trying to be diplomatic while not revealing who won... Does it mean that the winner somes from CG instead of SJ... and she is not at ease to tell? If that is the case, she would say someone else who is not the winner... so can we assume Brian wont win?   Top

snoocharoo 1 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 09-27-02, 01:33 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" He most likely won't win now cuz of the kiss of death, maybe he's in the F4. Snoocharoo   Top

ZJ 137 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 09-27-02, 01:35 PM (EST) 7. "Tribal Switch" LAST EDITED ON 09-27-02 AT 01:37 PM (EST) Gender, the tribes are switched according to gender... Eg all guys will group together to switch So total 7 guys(less John) They will switch among themselves according to the original number which is 4 for SJ and 3 for CG Then the ladies will switch, (prob 6 as the Gender Bender occurs in episode 4, after 3 have been voted out, with 7 guys, that makes 13) 4 for SJ and 1 for CG Illustration Guys Jake, Ken, Jed, Robb - SJ Brian, Ted, Clay - CG Girls Steph, Erin, Shii Ann, Penny - SJ Jan, Ghandia, Helen - CG After switch SJ CG Jake Ken Brian Robb Ted Jed Clay --------------------------- Erin Shii Ann Steph Ghandia Penny Helen/Jan* Helen/Jan* My analyis is that since Ghandia stars were assumed to be those she knew, a tribal switch might have occured. Guys - 4 in SJ, 3 in CG, so Brian, Ted and Clay go SJ, while Ken, Robb and Jed go CG, explains stars in Ken, Robb and Jed Gals - Erin, Steph and Penny stay, so Ghandia doesnt know them, but Shii Ann go over, either Helen or Jan go over SJ while the other stay. So the assumption is that Helen or Jan will be voted out after CG lose immunity, since I dont expect the switch to be so fast. Then the new CG will be 5 members An alternative analysis is that Steph could be voted out if SJ lose immunity, on acct that they need Robb and Jed for challenges and Steph dint blend well, that would leave SJ with 7... Comments anyone?   Top

jkokoj 4389 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 09-27-02, 01:19 PM (EST) 5. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" I think we should take Ghandia's "stars" with a grain of salt until Episode 3 is over. She has her own agenda and a bitter one at that. This lady is a loose cannon. Or at least that is what I get from the editing and her alleged posts as Sucks.   Top

ulalame 778 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 09-27-02, 01:41 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" My take on the Ghandia "stars" list is to view it as a variation on the "Debb's Friends" list, or the list made by any early bootee regarding people they got to know. In regard to Ghandia's list, I think it's a list of people she likes, containing a mix of early bootees that she got to know at loser lodge, and also some people who do well. I think we have enough info already to determine what Ghandia meant about her CG "stars" -- Ghandia herself, Tanya and Brian. I think that Ghandia gets to know Tanya better at loser lodge, but also, she was well liked by everyone on her tribe. Ghandia obviously had some affiliation with her, as they voted together. I think Ghandia also likes Brian, and that's why he's on her list--not because he gets waxed early, but because he's the only other CG that Ghandia remained on good terms with. Re. the rest of the CG's, we already know Ghandia doesn't like Helen, and is going to have a big blow up with Ted (who she implied in her GDiva posts she didn't like). I believe she also said she hated Clay in the GDiva posts. That leaves Jan, who I think is clearly in an alliance with Ted/Clay/Brian, and it's not unlikey that she'll end up resenting Jan for being affiliated with people she hates. Perhaps when Ghandia takes the walk of shame (I'm convinced at this point that she will be the next CG bootee if they remain as a unit (i.e. no switch) and they go to tribal council again before the merge), that Brian is the only player remaining on CG that she likes, and so he's on her "star" list. The SJ stars are a little harder, as they could be people she gets to know in loser lodge, or people she gets to know in a swap. However she gets to know them, though, I would guess they are people she likes rather than people who necessarily go far in the game. I would venture a guess that she meets up with Robb and Shii Ann in loser lodge, based on the "smokers" spoiler, although both were portrayed in a completely different light in E2 than they were in E1, in my mind taking them off the "next target" list for the SJs. Given what we've seen of Jed, although he is good at the challenges, he clearly is not making nice with his tribe, which could lead to an early boot. Perhaps Ghandia gets swapped to an SJ that still has Ken, Robb and Shii Ann on it, and gets to know them there, but then she, Robb and Shii get the boot. Like Brian, I think that Ken goes farther in the game, even though he's on her list. I think the Gender Bender (E4) episode will give us the missing information we need to flush out the meaning of the Ghandia's stars list. If there's a swap, it will be in that episode, imo.   Top

ZJ 137 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 09-27-02, 01:50 PM (EST) 9. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" A swap that occurs prob would exclude Jake and Jan for obvious reasons, isn't it?   Top

MattyMax 515 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 09-27-02, 06:02 PM (EST) 10. "Jed" on cbs.com there is a video of ghandia describing an erotic dream she had of 'that dental student'. I think that could have landed him on the stars list. MattyMax   Top

I_AM_HE 6123 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-27-02, 08:03 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Jed" not only was that funny cause she said he thought she was fine, but it was also prophetic! talking about him getting "sloppy drunk" our dental student should have listened to Ghandia   Top

Yogi 1206 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 09-28-02, 00:43 AM (EST) 12. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" Question: Are the jury members allowed to talk / associate with each other? Basically, could Gdiva's 'smoker buddies' make it to the Jury? The reason I wonder about this is because members of the 'Loser Lodge' talk about having a great vacation (John and Tanya so far). If you were a member of the jury you would have to stay in the same place and watch what is going on in the show. Hanging out with 'the smokers' seems more likely in this situation. As I see it, if Gdiva is to be believed, then Clay, Shii, Robb and Ghandia have to be the next four booted out (assuming E7 merge) or they all make it to the merge and on to the jury.   Top

ZJ 137 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 09-28-02, 03:25 AM (EST) 13. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" I find it funny that Ken is inside... Maybe there could be a disaster for former SJ members after switch, Robb and Jed and Shii Ann booted along with Ghandia before the merge... Leaving the 5 from SJ and 5 from CG original members making merge CG takes out Ken who is the SJ strongest member and maybe he loses the tiebreaker, supposingly, and pick them off one by one. The first bootie of the merge wont make jury, so maybe Ken joins them... Anyway hopefully this won't happen cos I'm rooting for Ken. My picks for Final 4 Ken Stephanie Erin Penny   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-28-02, 05:41 PM (EST) 15. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" Assuming Ghandia's stars are all simply people she both met and liked, Brian, Tanya and Ghandia herself are automatically understandable. John, Jan, Clay, Helen and Ted didn't make the list, we already know that she didn't like John on the island. We can project from this that Brian remains in her favor (he's out to be everyone's friend) while the rest of Chuay Gahn end up in disfavor. That leaves the Sook Jai, whom she will either meet by being on a new tribe with them, or meet at Loozer Lodge. Assuming she makes it to the swap, would she count Sook Jai as stars if they vote her out? She might understand their position, "preserve Sook Jai," but it seems unlikely she would look favorably upon it, in my opinion. I'm left waiting to see what happens next episode; if one of the Sook Jai on her friends list gets the boot then it would seem likely that Ghandia might make it to the merge then be boot #7, she could go sooner but would definitely not last any longer than that. If Ghandia gets the boot then it seems very likely that the next four to be booted would be Jed, Ken, Robb and Shii Ann. *sure wish we had more of the gdiva material available* ARRRRRRR!!!!   Top

BMH 845 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 09-28-02, 06:26 PM (EST) 16. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" Makes sense dabo..but the thing that is bothering me is Tanya said on the Early Show she didn't get to know ANY of the Sook-jai tribe..   Top

erikman 324 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 09-28-02, 07:36 PM (EST) 17. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" when did she say she did'nt know any sucks tribe? she did not talk about any tribe ok they got her to say brian. someone destorted it to say she did'nt meet any sucks   Top

ZJ 137 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 09-29-02, 04:06 AM (EST) 18. "What If" What if MB knew all viewers expected a switch and did not throw in a switch this time? We never know, all we know is to expect the unexpected... Maybe the unexpected is really NO switch... At this rate SJ is going, they may even go 8-2 into the merge... that accounts for Tanya not knowing any SJ member, we never know... Though they say that the challenges test more of the brain this time than brawn... but from what i see, all the challenges have been physical... You don't expect the survivors to spend a day on challenges like chess, do you? SJ kicks ass and whacks them, so maybe Tanya knew that Brian was the only one who made it at least to the jury... and hope he does well... But saying that, I expect a switch to come...   Top

PepeLePew13 26134 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-03-02, 07:12 AM (EST) 20. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" erikman, she said it live on TV on the Early Show. See my thread on "Tanya on The Early Show". There was no distorting going on, although she *might* have been encouraged beforehand to say she didn't get to know any Sookies.   Top

SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-03-02, 07:00 AM (EST) 19. "Addendum" Just s couple of notes: 1) I think that Ghandia's "stars" is a list similar to "Debb's friends", and may be of similar spoiler value. 2) Among Ghandia's non-stars, and people she hated, obviously Ted is the "follicle-ly challenged" person she talked about. The other was "the cook". Many ascribe this to be Clay, but it COULD be Helen, an Iron Chef Survivor with those squid if ever I saw one! Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 10-03-02, 01:34 PM (EST) 21. "RE: Addendum" Agree, Dawg. Ghandia has already shown a dislike for Helen. And perhaps Helen sides with the boys during next week's battle of the sexes?   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-03-02, 03:06 PM (EST) 22. "RE: Addendum" Wouldn't surprise me if Helen sided with the boys, as she already indicated that "the boys" at home are the audience she's playing to... Anyway, I think Helen proved she's in touch with her masculine side by failing to take the water map--she was so much like the stereotype of the man who won't ask for directions. Whereas Clay and Brian were all: "why didn't she take the map?" just like the stereotypical wives... Gee, I wonder if the gender division in Ep4 falls along the lines of personal gender "bent" rather than biology. Back to Stephanie--it may be that Ghandia didn't want to mention the earliest pre-jury boots specifically because she knows about the friends' lists and spoiling. She needed to mention Tanya, as her friend on CG, but could and did leave off John and Steph. I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't like either of them as well. I don't expect her list to contain all pre-jury boots. I think Brian's solid weight loss spoiler puts him on the jury, so she may simply be rooting for him as her favorite CG. I guess we'll see if he gives her empathy in the "he said/she said" debate. So that leaves Shii and Robb (smokers) at LL to tell her all about the dynamics of SJ (as opposed to the viewpoint of loner Steph). Either or both Ken and Jed could become central figures in her mind from what she hears at the lodge. OTOH, both Ken and Jed fit the profile of the last two pre-jury boots, where people become concerned with booting possible immunity hogs. So my view of the boots right now goes something like: Steph, Ghandia, Robb & Shii Ann in undetermined order, and then Jed/Ken. Not sure how a possible swap will figure in, or even if there is a swap this time. (Now that it's become "predictable" to swap, the players might find it MORE disconcerting to be stuck with their original dysfunctional/fragmented tribes. I don't know.) Any of the SJ on her list could as easily be victims of a swap as of their own tribe, especially Robb. The Chewies would spit him out in a heartbeat, don't you think? "Indecision may or may not be my problem"   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 10-03-02, 04:00 PM (EST) 23. "RE: Addendum" LAST EDITED ON 10-03-02 AT 09:37 PM (EST) So my view of the boots right now goes something like: Steph, Ghandia, Robb & Shii Ann in undetermined order, and then Jed/Ken. Not sure how a possible swap will figure in, or even if there is a swap this time. I was playing around with this boot order last night and came to the same conclusion. A bit of speculation about the switch... E5 title is "Ocean's Surprise" and if that doesn't scream switch I don't know what does. Stephanie is out in E3, followed by Ghandia in E4. Chewies down to 5, Suckies at 7. Who gets switched? Why, Shii Ann and Robb, that's who. The three original Chewies (it really doesn't matter who) have a majority and decide to throw the next two IC's, per the Jiffy interview quotes, and accomplishes two things: They can eliminate the former Suckies (Robb and Shii, in that order) and protect their fellow Chewies who are now in the Suck tribe and at a significant disadvantage. Merge at even strength. Yeah, I like it. My work is done here. See y'all after the merge!!! Editted to add: Uhhhh, never mind. Please disregard the proceeding post as it contains nothing but the illogical ramblings of wannabe spoiler who, obviously, has no idea of what he speaks. <slinking off in shame>   Top

ZJ 137 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-04-02, 05:20 AM (EST) 24. "RE: Addendum" Ghandia mentioned her second dislike was someone who prepared the food. Looking at Helen in EP3, it seemed that she was siding with Ghandia. Possible reasons, the person could be Clay, who was part of the guy alliance who booted her out. Another could be Helen betrayed her and joined the rest in voting her out.   Top

Transporter Ring 1 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 10-05-02, 10:18 PM (EST) 25. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" The people Ghandia named as "stars" also happen to be the best looking people. So maybe Ghandia was commenting about their appearance. Like when she used the word "definitely" for Tanya. tanya= best looking woman. But most likely- the people that she named are the people that she hanged out with in Loser Lodge. Ghandia could be the next bootee. And we assume Stephanie is next to go but if the Sook Jai tribe are worried about losing another challenge- they will vote out the weakest link- Shii Ann. Ken, Robb, Stephanie and Penny will vote her out. Eventually, they will get rid of Robb. And if Ken makes it to the merge- then he is the obvious target since he is strong and a threat in immunity challenges. If Stephanie was in Loser lodge, then she might not befriend Ghandia since Steph doesn't seem to be a very friendly person.   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-05-02, 11:27 PM (EST) 26. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" >>If Stephanie was in Loser lodge, then she might not befriend Ghandia since Steph doesn't seem to be a very friendly person. Transporter, I agree with your reasoning about Stephanie. Say that Stephanie is booted and just doesn't make the list that Ghandia liked (because she, like John, is kind of antisocial). Then two people on her stars list must make the jury. Putting: John, Tanya, Jed, and Ghandia as 4 of the 7 pre-jurors. Add Robb and Shii Ann as the smokers--6. If Stephanie--7, the lodge is full. Which leaves Brian and Ken, one "hunk" type from each tribe who might fit the category of stars of the show. Even it Ghandia didn't know Ken, she knows of him and if he did make the jury he's be a logical star choice. See, I think that Ghandia is too aware of her contract (she is a legal secretary) to have given us a list that 100% equalled the pre-jury bootees with whom she socialized. CBS would come after her for sure if it was that cut and dried. My feeling is she would cover her ass legally and both give her friends (favorites) at LL a mention, plus throw in a couple that made the jury, so that she wouldn't get in trouble for blatant spoiling.   Top

Yogi 1206 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 10-05-02, 11:36 PM (EST) 27. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" >Putting: >John, Tanya, Jed, and Ghandia as 4 of the 7 pre-jurors. >Add Robb and Shii Ann as the smokers--6. >If Stephanie--7, the lodge is full. Was Clay not mentioned on the 'smokers list'?   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-05-02, 11:48 PM (EST) 28. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" Yes, Clay was mentioned as a smoker. He quit before going on the show--may have started again if booted, but certainly Ghandia and he had a chance in camp to discuss the urge to smoke, etc. So her knowing he smoked isn't really a spoiler. The thing with Robb and Shii is that Ghandia shouldn't have known they were smokers unless they spent time together AND they are on the stars list, which Clay is not. Clay probably makes up the second person on her most-hated list--usually an indication that the disliked person did better in the game... Unless Clay gets swapped out, I don't see much chance of him being booted pre-merge, and he's not a typical merge boot, plus Tanya named him as one of two (Clay and Jan) who were playing smart (which made up for lack of physical strength).   Top

true 9689 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-06-02, 00:02 AM (EST) 30. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" >The thing with Robb and Shii is that Ghandia shouldn't have known they were smokers unless they spent time together AND they are on the stars list, which Clay is not. Couldn't she have found this out at the wrap party, or at some point after the game was over? >Clay probably makes up the second person on her most-hated list--usually an indication that the disliked person did better in the game... I'm leaning toward Helen being the cook, but I don't think we can say for sure at this point. >Unless Clay gets swapped out, I don't see much chance of him being booted pre-merge, and he's not a typical merge boot, plus Tanya named him as one of two (Clay and Jan) who were playing smart (which made up for lack of physical strength). Agreed.   Top

BMH 845 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-05-02, 11:50 PM (EST) 29. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" LAST EDITED ON 10-05-02 AT 11:54 PM (EST) Yes..Clay,Shii,and Robb were all listed as smokers..this is when it gets tough..there are spoilers that say Clay goes far in the game..but how could he if he is smoking at loser lodge with Ghandia,Shii,and robb..so I am slowly starting to think that both Shii and Robb make the jury with clay..I dont know about Ghandia..but Shii and Robb could possibly make the jury..and smoke with Clay there after he gets voted off..I dont know how else to explain this..because if not then the next 4 boots are Stephanie,Ghandia,Robb,Shii Ann,and Clay 7 at loser lodge would be:John,Tanya,Jed,Ghandia,Robb,Shii Ann,and Clay..thats what I am thinking at the moment..and maybe SJ gets the upper hand at the merge..and boots Clay because of previous votes..and thats why he ends up smokin with Ghandia and the gang..I mean there are so many possibilties.. Oh..and someone said before that Ghandia maybe hates Helen and not Clay..because Helen has been shown cooking alot..I think ther person that said this is right on the mark..I mean why would Ghandia smoke with Clay if..she despises him?..does that make any sense..I think she hates Ted and Helen..and we should watch next week to see if Helen backstabbs Ghanida or something..   Top

ulalame 778 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-06-02, 03:37 AM (EST) 38. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" LAST EDITED ON 10-06-02 AT 03:43 AM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 10-06-02 AT 03:38 AM (EST) Here is the "smokers" quote from GDiva. Note that nothing in the quote says she smokes with anyone. It just states who are smokers. She and Clay were on the same team. If they were both smokers, they'd know it, whether or not they smoked together. They don't both need to be in loser lodge to know this fact. The spoiler value in the quote is that she knows Shii Ann is a smoker and that Robb is an occasional smoker. To have that knowledge, she'd either have to be in loser lodge with them, or she'd have to be on a team with them (via a switch), or they'd all have to make the merge. The fact that she says Robb is an occasional smoker, to me, makes me think they smoked together. Why would it have come up, in a way she'd remember, if they hadn't? Likewise, to some extent, with Shii Ann -- unless she spent a bunch of time with her on a tribe, it is likely she smoked with her. With Clay, they spent at least 12 days together, at the beginning of the show, when not smoking would be most on their minds and I'm sure if they both just stopped smoking, they'd talk about it. But 12+ days into it, it might not be the first thing they bonded over, if they met on a tribe. But if they actually did smoke together, it would be more memorable. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote ----------------------------------------------------------------- GDiva Potential bannee (8/22/02 1:01:48 pm) Reply To Midnight Prince69 ----------------------------------------------------------------- No one was allowed to smoke in the game. Clay, Shii & I smoke cigarettes. Occasionally, Rob smoked also. I'm trying to quit right now, 'cause I hate my kids to see me smoking. It's no good for me. -----------------------------------------------------------------   Top

true 9689 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-06-02, 01:04 AM (EST) 32. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're saying here. >>Putting: John, Tanya, Jed, and Ghandia as 4 of the 7 pre-jurors. Add Robb and Shii Ann as the smokers--6. If Stephanie--7, the lodge is full. Isn't that basically giving us the whole loser lodge list? Minus 2 and plus a few decoys? >>See, I think that Ghandia is too aware of her contract (she is a legal secretary) to have given us a list that 100% equalled the pre-jury bootees with whom she socialized. CBS would come after her for sure if it was that cut and dried. You think? I think giving up 5 (including herself) of 7 is pretty cut and dried. I have a strong feeling that Stephanie does not go this week. If there is a swap week 5, things could change to favor her, for at least a little while. I'm not so rigid in my thoughts to think that Steph won't go pre jury. We have Snewsers unconfirmed report that Steph spends time at Loser Lodge, and it is very likely that Steph and Ghandia just plain didn't like each other. I also agree that she could have picked Brian because she knows him from the Red tribe, and Ken/Erin because she thinks they're attractive or some BS. However, the way things are playing out so far, the majority of the "STARS" list looks very much like Loser Lodge material. (IMHO)   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-06-02, 01:43 AM (EST) 34. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" >>Isn't that basically giving us the whole loser lodge list? Minus 2 and plus a few decoys? Yes, it's close, if that's what it is! I was responding to posts that were looking to eliminate Steph because she wasn't on the list--and which were only looking to the list for the pre-jury. Now that I've looked up the list and seen that she included Erin, that would make minus 2 (if Steph, Clay, or Jake goes) plus 3 decoys. Compare that to Diane's list which was the entire pre-jury list with the Tbird decoy and minus Clarence (not Diane's friend), and you could say Ghandia was playing relatively safe as far as opening herself up to a lawsuit. This from Ghandia's posts after people at EZ put it to her that she was blowing her contract: "I will not spoil anything for you all. I have not revealed any information that will spoil the show. I just told a poster who smokes and I also let out who got on my nerves/hated the most (okay, I admit that was a mistake - ), but I'm not perfect. africandi is right about the parameters of interviews for CBS. Since I have worked as a legal secretary for over 10 years, I know what I can and can't do. But truly, I am not spoiling the show or giving out any trade secrets." Diane put her list of friends out in her CBS chat, fairly spontaneously, but with Ghandia's posts at EZ, she had time to think them out. All I am really saying is that in her mind, she is not giving us a spoiler's list, or says she isn't, and we should expect the lists to be less than reliable as a boot list, and certainly not eliminate anyone as a boot because they're not on the list. Nor should we try to force someone onto the pre-jury boot list just because she named them in some context. I don't think you are doing that true, but I find myself grappling with what it means that Stephanie is not on the list. I am all puzzled what to think about her, and since I don't read Snewser's site (because I am too lazy a spoiler to surf over there), thanks for telling me he has some spec about her. hint, hint, what exactly does he say?   Top

true 9689 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-06-02, 02:16 AM (EST) 35. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" Thanks for the clarification. I'm not too sure that Ghandia wasn't just trying to cover her ass, but I think it's possible that she's just screwing with us. >Nor should we try to force someone onto the pre-jury boot list just because she named them in some context. I don't think you are doing that true, but I find myself grappling with what it means that Stephanie is not on the list. You make a very good point here. Yes, I think in trying to figure out what it means that Steph is not on her list, I got caught up in placing the others at loser lodge. So far, it hasn't seemed that much of a stretch to place Robb and Shii Ann there at some point, maybe even Erin too. (since Erin's name didn't appear here, I'd forgotten about her too) There are only 4 spots left, and I think Ghandia is one of them. After that, I really don't know. But, if Ghandia goes next, as I am currently suspecting (until someone with a source says otherwise ) Then I'm finding it hard to see Robb or Shii go before Steph, simply from the way she's been edited, unless she gets saved by a switch in episode 5. If that were to happen, I think it's possible that she would no longer be the most likely to be booted. This all depends, of course, on how the switch plays out. >hint, hint, what exactly does he say? "We've received unconfirmed tips of her interacting with others at Loser's Lodge. She's starting to buzz on the boot meter now." http://survivornews.net/snn.php?sid=scorecard   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-06-02, 02:57 AM (EST) 36. "RE: Another Look at Ghandia's "stars"" thanks true for the link and the further comments! Yes, all that you just makes sense to me. In particular, how could Stephanie not be the next SJ boot? As you say, the only way she survives Shii and Robb, as things are edited, is if Ghandia goes next, and then there's a switch. As of tonight (Saturday), I fully plan to vote Ghandia on Thursday, unless some new info emerges. Sometimes the boot is just obvious and hyping the drama for ratings is more important to the show than hiding the bootee. I am also starting to come around to the Ep 5 switch idea, although I hoped it wouldn't happen this time (I am in Technoir's camp on that) and thought it would be a good way to screw with them to stick them with their original tribes, for better or for worse). Switches are a pain in the ass. I mean, who knows who will end up where? It's impossible to know from watching the show. I remember how desperately Gina wanted to swap, and it didn't happen for her. And Sarah--she went from having "protection" to being the obvious boot. I think the only fair switch we've seen was in S3, when the tribes were switched half and half. Arghh, I hate switch weeks. It really screws with trying to think ahead--not knowing who will be on which tribe in ep 5.   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-06-02, 00:31 AM (EST) 31. "Back to Ghandia's quotes" I realized I was not remembering Ghandia's actually message board quotes and went back and looked them up. 1) First, this is what I found on the smoking, which came up in the context of discussing trying to quit: "No one was allowed to smoke in the game. Clay, Shii & I smoke cigarettes. Occasionally, Rob smoked also." She does NOT say they smoked together, only that she knows they are smokers. Yes, that could come at any point. The Robb quote, however, sounds like an observation. 2) The stars quote: Ackkk, Erin was on the original list! "I cannot reveal what we called Shii-Ann, OR how far she went in the game. You have to tune in to find that out, okay playa? Give me a break with those type of questions okay? I will not spoil the show. You have to tune in. Now, after the show is over, I will happy to provide all the "dish" on contestants, but a spoiler I am not. Please understand the respect that okay? As far as the "stars" of this show, well, duh ME! Other stars I would say: Robb, Jed, Brian, Ken, Erin, Tanya (definitely) and Shii Ann. I don't think Erin goes pre-jury either. OK, now discuss among yourselves. I have to go eat dinner... "Indecision may or may not be my problem"   Top

ZJ 137 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 10-06-02, 01:27 AM (EST) 33. "RE: Back to Ghandia's quotes" The more i look at it, the more i think Shii Ann goes at least to the merge. She has a reasonably strong alliance and the only reason that she might not make the merge was that if a swap had occured. She might have been swapped to another tribe with Robb and Steph who voted her out with CG members(a la Silas who received votes from Teresa and Frank) Once Stephanie makes the merge, i think she has a chance to go far because she could win herself a few immunity challenges. And for Shii Ann to go if they have not merged yet, would require SJ to lose 3 immunity challenges in a row, which is unlikely as we see an upcoming Ghandia boot.   Top

Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 10-06-02, 03:17 AM (EST) 37. "RE: Back to Ghandia's quotes" FYI ----------------------------------------------------------------- The actual quote, from the Gdiva Posting at Sucks? thread: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GDiva Potential bannee (8/22/02 1:01:48 pm) Reply To Midnight Prince69 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one was allowed to smoke in the game. Clay, Shii & I smoke cigarettes. Occasionally, Rob smoked also. I'm trying to quit right now, 'cause I hate my kids to see me smoking. It's no good for me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Credit to slimmyworm for the original post. I don't accept that this list automatically equals all 4 at loser lodge. Whether or not someone smokes is something you find out pretty quickly, especially when they're jonesing for a cigarette. Ghandia would have found this out from Clay probably on day 1. Just food for thought! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Krautboy   Top

SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-06-02, 11:31 AM (EST) 39. "Hey folks: stars do NOT = cigarettes" I would like to caution everyone not to equate the "stars" list with the "cigarettes smokers" list, nor to throw them into the same pot. And I'm seeing some of y'all *ahem cough OFG cough ahem* doing this. The smokers list contains Clay, who has weight loss spoilers and appears to be "in" the alliance that's likely going deep into the game. I must agree with shakestheclown that Clay has been edited, and must be watched, as a potential Final Four candidate. Also, as an aside, I've said before that IMHO Ghandia's "stars" are the equivalent of Debb's Friends list, but that does NOT mean that this is a Loser Lodge list!!! Brian is on that list, and I think he goes far into the game. So maybe Ghandia does NOT include Brian in the people she hates... I can see him being a mediator in her dispute with Ted (he's been edited that way already). Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged   Top

idiotcowboy 1135 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 10-06-02, 12:07 PM (EST) 40. "RE: Hey folks: stars do NOT = cigarettes" I Agree The GDiva list is this season Debb's/Diane's Friends list. If for no other reason than she leaves off several people we know she had issues with (ie. Clay, Ted, and Helen). Interestingly enough there is one person who is not on her list of "star"s nor on her initial tribe, yet she still discussed on SS, and that is Jake. Not sure what that means, but not many people would expect to see Jake at the Lodge, including me. -ICB   Top

true 9689 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-06-02, 12:22 PM (EST) 41. "Hey Dawg" If it's not too late, do you think that you could edit your original post to change Erin from your "others" list to your stars list. It might help avoid further confusion. Thanks.   Top

ulalame 778 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-06-02, 01:45 PM (EST) 42. "Some General Thoughts on this Thread" LAST EDITED ON 10-06-02 AT 01:46 PM (EST) I think the reason we've all focused so heavily on the GDiva lists, the stars and the smokers, is that they seem to co-align with other spoilers, such as the weight loss spoilers for the CG-five. If we were to assume that the smokers (with exception to Clay) and several of GDiva's stars were jury members rather than pre-merge bootees, we'd have to really rethink how the game is going. In other words, if Ghandia, Robb, Shii Ann and/or Stephanie are not the next four bootees, who are those bootees? They'd have to come from SJ if the weight loss spoilers are to be believed. I think it's hard to conceive of a scenario where Erin, Penny, Jake and Ken are the next four bootees, absent a major shake up in the current dynamics of the game.   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-06-02, 02:57 PM (EST) 43. "RE: Some General Thoughts on this Thread" Well put, ICB. As you say, our primary thinking is to fit the dynamics of the game as we've seen them and the C-G weight loss. As a good example the we are not giving everyone on the Star's list equal weight as a LL candidate, in your post you say: >>I think it's hard to conceive of a scenario where Erin, Penny, Jake and Ken are the next four bootees even though Erin and Ken are both on the Stars list. They don't seem to be in any danger of not making the merge--although Ken would be a prime candidate for the Varner/Clarence/Rob M. spot of first post-merge bootee. (Pssst Dawg--I am not throwing the lists in the same pot, except that they came out of the same pot, i.e. Ghandia. If you look above you will see that I separated Clay from Shii Ann and Robb.) Although a Friend's list doesn't directly equal a LL list: we do make an assumption from the way past lists have turned out, that they likely became friends in the active game or after boot while waiting for the game to end (although one can't discount after-game friendships, as happened with Diane and Tbird). Since Debb only spent 3 days in the game, and didn't make any friends at that time, we expected her friends to be non-jurors, although honestly I can't remember her list now. Diane's list was remarkable because it contained mostly Samburu rather than Boran. It telegraphed the failure of a tribe that seemed at first to be running away with the challenges. Ghandia is different in that she isn't an Ep 1 boot, so that she had plenty of time to bond with anyone on CG. The names to note are the mentions of SJ people that MAY indicate she spent time with them. But the only way this woman spent time in Thailand with all the SJ "stars"--Erin, Ken, Robb and Shii Ann--would be if she survives Ep 4 and gets swapped (and they don't) or all of the above are swapped to CG. That would be a drastic assumption I'm not prepared to make. So for now, I am assuming that she threw in a few names of people she heard about or perceived as main characters and that the others are her sources for SJ at LL. Note that both Ken and Erin could qualify as "stars" from their visual presentation at challenges. Ken is a hunk and got applauded at the initial session, and when Ghandia talked about flashing her cleavage (as we heard), there must have been thought or mention of Erin as the one with the enormous cleavage on the other tribe--although MB seems to edit out all the conversations one tribe has about the other. (Of course they talk about the other tribe and try to figure them out, but we NEVER see that footage.) So, after sifting through all this, because there are more people on the "stars" list than it appears she could have spent time with in the game--I have to conclude that her "stars" are not 100% "personal friends" although the two somewhat overlap in the sense that she has given "star" status to at least one friend (Tanya) who did little before being booted. I do think she is totally focused on the first half of the game, which looks to be the whole game for Ghandia--so I interpret "stars" to equal "pre-jury face time plus she liked them or didn't end up hating them." Dawg, I think the smokers' list has to give weight to Robb and Shii Ann as bootees, for her to know this about them.   Top

idiotcowboy 1135 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 10-06-02, 05:48 PM (EST) 44. "RE: Some General Thoughts on this Thread" >Well put, ICB. Sadly I can't take credit for these well put comments since I only started down the road ulalame fleshed out. I must admit though that the more I look at Ghandia's comments the more I'm not sure what to make of them. Maybe neither she nor Steph go this week, yet they certainly seem like the likely ones. This needs more thought I think -ICB   Top

VanQ 87 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-06-02, 07:44 PM (EST) 45. "SMOKING: pre game event" I wonder if Ghandia picked out her smoking friends pre-game. I remember someone from S2 describing other survivors smoking frantically during the training, PRIOR to the game actually starting. So this information about Shii Ann and Robb, may have been from her seeing them all smoking before they even set out. I understand that they are not to talk to each other but they definitely spend time together prior to the game. I am surprised that no one mentions the smoking thing in the game. Quitting smoking is one of the toughest things to do, and definitely would play havoc on someones emotions as they go through withdrawl. May explain some of Ghandias excessive tantrums, or Robbs' throttling of Clay (although I personally think he is just a neanderthal).   Top

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