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"Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
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"Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
Argh, my mole left. Anyway, in the window behind Katheryn while talking about being the mole you can see Heather's reflection. Make of it what you will.
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1. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
Blue eye's where back again tonite with the Dolls
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07-23-02, 11:15 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
When they cut to the shot of those dolls with the creepy blue eyes the first thing I thought was "Which remaining player has blue eyes?"
Answer: None of them. Oh well.
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07-23-02, 10:06 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
I doubt this is a clue but anyone notice right before the commercial before the execution they showed the remaining players individually. Bill waved good bye to someone. Moleish?
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07-23-02, 10:11 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
There was a model ship (Bill clue?) and a saxophone (Bill or Dorothy clue?) in the "fun house."
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07-23-02, 10:14 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
What genre is "Tiny Bubbles"?From the player profiles: Al's Favorite music: Jazz
Heather's Favorite music: Rock, Downbeat, House
Dot's Favorite music: All, but mostly jam bands
Bill's Favorite music: Pop, Light Classical, Jazz, and Barbershop And did anyone else see very clearly through Heather and Dorothy's lies? They are terrible liars! All three of them should've been playing a more sneakier game with Bill (though I feel he was told to give them this one or felt bad for them losing 100k)
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07-23-02, 11:19 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
Dorothy's "lie" (so quoted because you could see right through it) made me think that there was no way this girl could be the Mole.
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07-23-02, 11:10 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
i thought Heather was a pretty good liar. what do you want from a good liar. she was calm and collected. she didn't get flustered with the details. she sounded like she had been there and knew what was in that room. you say she showed no emotion and that made her a bad liar. if you were simply describing a room to Bill, would you show emotion, lying or not. i wouldn't. there's no reason to show emotion! what do you want from her. she's a good liar.
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19. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
I agree... Dorothy was a horrible liar...In this game, wouldn't the mole want to be a bad liar (assuming it's not Bill of course). Bill's odds of getting the exemption and hitting the pot increased significantly if he KNOWS that Dorothy lied.
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Quotes of the week:
1. "Al, do you think you could move just a little?"-Myra
2. "Ewww... Patrick, no... I don't want to see that."-Heather
3. "I really hope Darwin doesn't realize I have a coalition with Dorothy, or... that could be bad."-Lisa
4. "Gas station attendants... They no NOTHING about flat tires... Let's ask these tourists!"-Darwin
5. "I swear, Rob, if this freaks me out I'm gonna punch you."-Anderson
6. "Those hills are a b!tch."-Anderson
7. "Um, thanks guys for not liking me!" (waves the $ at them)-Elavia
8. "They do look like piercing blue eyes, Heather, but I don't get it. He's totally making out with (that girl)."- Bribs
9. "I was a little surprised when Anderson came into my room in a suit. He usually just comes into my room in his pajamas, just his bottoms usually."-Darwin
10. "Man, I'm screwed."-Dorothy
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07-23-02, 10:42 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Stick to this thread" |
Yes le's stick to this thread. If the Mods could please close my thread since everything I said has been posted here. Plus I was beaten by one minute(man I need to learn to type faster
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07-23-02, 11:04 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
LAST EDITED ON 07-23-02 AT 11:06 PM (EST)1. Before the High Card game, Bill says: "It would be stupid to kick someone out until all our chips are in" (paraphrasing). I think this was Bill trying to throw suspicion off of himself, because theoretically people could be kicked out at any time. For example, if Bill had won the first hand, he would have put his chip in. Then, if he won the next hand, even though the other players had chips, he would have had to eliminate someone. The game worked out fortunatly that it didn't happen this way, but Bill's comment doesn't really have say about the game that can be controlled. 2. Bill said in his interview after Kathryn appeared "It was a total suprise", but he didn't show any suprise in his face when she appeared. Not even his usual smile. 3. As Kathryn said something along the lines of "One of you is a winner, et cetera" the camera cut to Dorothy as she said winner. Dorothy gets the bucks? -Dreaming
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07-23-02, 11:56 PM (EST)
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16. "That's not Heather's reflection." |
In fact, it is a picture of Kethryn seen through the same window she is standing next to (not a reflection at all.)
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20. "RE: Wish I had paid more attention to the dolls..." |
He he he... I wonder if they were China Dolls... lol
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Quotes of the week:
1. "Al, do you think you could move just a little?"-Myra
2. "Ewww... Patrick, no... I don't want to see that."-Heather
3. "I really hope Darwin doesn't realize I have a coalition with Dorothy, or... that could be bad."-Lisa
4. "Gas station attendants... They no NOTHING about flat tires... Let's ask these tourists!"-Darwin
5. "I swear, Rob, if this freaks me out I'm gonna punch you."-Anderson
6. "Those hills are a b!tch."-Anderson
7. "Um, thanks guys for not liking me!" (waves the $ at them)-Elavia
8. "They do look like piercing blue eyes, Heather, but I don't get it. He's totally making out with (that girl)."- Bribs
9. "I was a little surprised when Anderson came into my room in a suit. He usually just comes into my room in his pajamas, just his bottoms usually."-Darwin
10. "Man, I'm screwed."-Dorothy
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07-24-02, 09:55 AM (EST)
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21. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
Here's what I got out of this episode. We presume the Heather/Dorothy coalition is still in effect for this episode, but only this episode as it is everyone for themselves for the final episode. Assuming this is the case, Heath/Dot have collectively (they think) pinpointed the mole. Up to this point in the show, Al has played in many of the games with Heather and may still suspect her. Heath/Dot come up with a scheme to give Al the bait vote straight-ticket Heather. She blows the game costing 100K. I see this failure as Heather thinking to herself "yeah, it is 100K, but if it throws someone off and gets me to the final round, it's worth it and I can win myself in the final episode." Coming down to the wire, the mole wants to do one thing--no overt moves, cast the spotlight on someone else as the mole. Dorothy is the mole. At some point while she is in the bug cage, Heather bows out costing the team the money. Dorothy is informed of this so she can ride out the bug cage and look like a dumb little player all the while she knows the money is already gone. Perfect cover. No suspicion, money gone--she didn't have to do a thing (except of course convince Heather to lose the money for her propelling both into the final round). As for the bad acting and poor lying...icing on the cake. How could such a bad liar be the mole?
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07-24-02, 10:05 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue - green arrow pointing to Heather" |
I haven't seen anyone discuss the green arrow with the letters WC (the W also could have been 2 V's or an upside down M)on the wall during the the scene with Kathryn. The arrow pointed directly at Heather.
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07-24-02, 10:11 AM (EST)
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24. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue - green arrow pointing to Heather" |
WC=Water Closet (i.e. bathroom) 
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07-24-02, 10:18 AM (EST)
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25. "Enquiring Minds Want to Know..." |
What was up with Dorothy calling the snake a Boa Constrictor when she knew it was a python?Why did Dorothy have to be in her room for only 30 minutes when Al and Heather had to be there all night. Heather's challenge was MUCH harder than everyone elses. If she intentionally threw the game, she didn't come off looking too bad. If Bill is not the mole (although I believe he is) and he knew who the mole was, wouldn't your rather chance it for 50k than the exemption? Did he throw the game? 
ps. Believe it or not, I was sad to see Al leave. Even AC looked saddened. Al has made an interesting character.
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07-24-02, 12:11 PM (EST)
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38. "RE: Enquiring Minds Want to Know..." |
What was up with Dorothy calling the snake a Boa Constrictor when she knew it was a python?I thought the same thing, TriGirl. Added to that was Dot's bad lying. She also described the box to Heather as much smaller than it was. There was standing room in the box, and she told Heather she had to crouch on the stool. Also, I don't remember Anderson ever telling Heather how long she had to be there. She said she had to sleep there, and when Dot told the story, she said, "I kept asking, 'how long' and he never answered me." We never saw that happen with Heather. What Anderson told her was, "Stay in here until I come back for you." He never set any time frame that I heard. Did anyone else catch something that I missed? I've thought Bill was the mole for a while, but Dot's performance last night makes me wonder. Hmmmm.... 
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07-24-02, 10:25 AM (EST)
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26. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
Hello everyone. This is my first post, but I have been reading everyone's theories about who the mole is since the beginning. I was a BribsFOMO but I am definitely a BillFOMO now. I am studying psychology in school, but due to curiousity, I have read a lot about the subject of physical reaction to interrogation. Last night when asked if he was the Mole, Bill succumbed to one of the easiest "tells". As he answered no, he nodded his head up and down once(like a yes). Also, as someone also pointed out on a previous thread, he blinks a lot when he is asked questions. Perhaps that is the link to the blinking eyes of the dolls?
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07-24-02, 10:29 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
I was also thinking that if Bill was an Admiral in the Navy he was probably stationed in Hawaii at some time. That would explain why they played Don Ho.
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07-24-02, 11:43 AM (EST)
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34. "RE: Am I losing my memory?" |
Yeah, there were things there for everything. For example:
Ships, sax- Bill
Statue of LIberty- Dorothy
Spanish lady- Heather or Dorothy
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07-24-02, 12:04 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
Ok, I must say that at this point I have no idea in the world what is a real clue, an over-imaginative mind or real confusing editing. But just to help some of you out... I've narrowed the Mole down to 3... heheheBill.. if he was the mole, what a perfect opportunity to spend hours with the Powers of the show to plan out the grand mole finale... Heather... the best opportunity to hide the fact that she is the mole and to lose a big chunk of money. contrary to what she says, 100,000 is a lot of money.. unless your paycheck is signed by ABC and finally my Dorothy... I am now just hanging onto the Dor fomo bandwagon by a thread... There is no way in heck I'd stay in a small cage with la cucarachas.. Especially if I was the mole... I'd be curled up next to Bill before you could say adios amigos (of course I'm referring to my hubby Bill.. lol
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07-24-02, 12:16 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
Did anyone notice that when they were sitting in the room where they get executed, behind Al on the wall just left of his head the rocks form the word "LIE" its very clear..there are a couple letters before it that I couldnt make out, but maybe someone could check it out...
Sam
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64. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
>I might be reaching here but
>I think what Kathryn told
>the players was the clue.
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>"After today, 3 will be left.
>The winner, the loser and
>the mole."
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>Now obviously all of them knew
>that so why mention it
>to them?
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>At the end, they were seated
>in this order: Dorothy, Heather,
>Bill. I wonder if this
>means Bill is the mole
>if we follow her clue.
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Other possible interpretations of that statement, which is awkwardly worded enough that it must be a clue of some kind:1. The use of "Will" in the sentence is a reference to William -- Bill. 2. The reference to "left" means that whichever of them is lefthanded, or seated to Kathryn's left is the mole. (or is very liberal) 3. Perhaps the numbers: today (2), 3 players, have some significance, when put in conjunction with everything else she said.
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07-25-02, 02:46 PM (EST)
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66. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
"Will" is a word in the English language in the Future Tense, expressing the chance of something happening at a later time.So, by "logic", every time they say the word "Will" they MUST be giving a clue to the identity of the mole!!! But, wait a minute... The guy's name is Bill, not Will!!! (sarcasm off) By the way, they also could could be talking about when they ask the players if they are the mole. He asked Heather, then Bill, and then Dorothy last.
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Quotes of the week:
1. "Al, do you think you could move just a little?"-Myra
2. "Ewww... Patrick, no... I don't want to see that."-Heather
3. "I really hope Darwin doesn't realize I have a coalition with Dorothy, or... that could be bad."-Lisa
4. "Gas station attendants... They no NOTHING about flat tires... Let's ask these tourists!"-Darwin
5. "I swear, Rob, if this freaks me out I'm gonna punch you."-Anderson
6. "Those hills are a b!tch."-Anderson
7. "Um, thanks guys for not liking me!" (waves the $ at them)-Elavia
8. "They do look like piercing blue eyes, Heather, but I don't get it. He's totally making out with (that girl)."- Bribs
9. "I was a little surprised when Anderson came into my room in a suit. He usually just comes into my room in his pajamas, just his bottoms usually."-Darwin
10. "Man, I'm screwed."-Dorothy
11. (creepily) "Tiny bubbles... In my wine... Makes me happy."-Anderson
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07-28-02, 10:41 PM (EST)
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73. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
>>I might be reaching here but
>>I think what Kathryn told
>>the players was the clue.
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>>"After today, 3 will be left.
>>The winner, the loser and
>>the mole."
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>>Now obviously all of them knew
>>that so why mention it
>>to them?
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>>At the end, they were seated
>>in this order: Dorothy, Heather,
>>Bill. I wonder if this
>>means Bill is the mole
>>if we follow her clue.
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>Other possible interpretations of that statement,
>which is awkwardly worded enough
>that it must be a
>clue of some kind:
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>1. The use of "Will"
>in the sentence is a
>reference to William -- Bill.
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>2. The reference to "left"
>means that whichever of them
>is lefthanded, or seated to
>Kathryn's left is the mole.
> (or is very liberal)
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>3. Perhaps the numbers:
>today (2), 3 players, have
>some significance, when put in
>conjunction with everything else she
>said. How would Kathryn know who the winner will be? She only knows there will be a winner, a loser and the Mole. Noone knows which is which.
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41. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
I thought the hidden clues were the ships and saxophone all pointing to Bill. The thing that struck me as odd is Bill saying the he saw the video and saw the big cockroaches. Can anyone see cockroaches in the video he was shown? I don't think I could see them. Any thoughts?
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07-24-02, 01:56 PM (EST)
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42. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
I think Bill knows that cockroaches don't get that big and was trying to trip her up.
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07-24-02, 01:58 PM (EST)
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43. "Order of Bags." |
They showed the bags last night. It went Al, Bill, Dorothy, Heather. Maybe Heather's the mole and Dorothy wins. They could have edited the position of the names after they knew the order of everything.
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44. "RE: Order of Bags." |
They show the bags before most every execution, and they're always in alphabetical order.
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45. "RE: Box of Magots??" |
First post, maybe a duplicate. What was up with Kathryn bringing out the box of magots or meely worms or whatever they were. What was the point exactly? At the time the contestants thought that they might have to eat them. What if, that was the clue, an indication that the mole would be put into a small box with bugs during the next game. Dorothy in the box with the roaches? Thoughts?
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51. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
I taped the show last night, and after reviewing it about 5 times, I have concluded that the reflection in the window behind Katherine doesn't look at all like Heather. Could it be the person running the tv camera? Just a thought...
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57. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
I am sorry but i missed the episode tonight. Who was executed tonight?
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60. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
Okay, I just thought of this, and I have no idea where to post it because it's not really an Ep 11 Clue, but a clue that applies to all episodes. We have heard much talk about Bill and his snoring (this episode too, ha, I get to post it here) and it keeping some players up all night. I was reading a link that cycle supplied about the British Mole and they said something about late night strategy sessions between the Mole and the producers because this was the only time they could speak with the Mole. These late night strategy sessions would be hard to complete with Bill for two reasons: one, because he snores all night, and if the snoring suddenly stopped, other players may get suspicious, and two, in the Night Ball Game we were shown a side of Bill that shows he is not a morning (or night in this case) person. How could you have strategy sessions with someone who can't leave the room and can't function without enough sleep. Again, sorry if I posted in the wrong place but I couldn't find a reasons why Bill is not the Mole thread.
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07-25-02, 12:13 PM (EST)
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61. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
They did that in the first British Mole. In tthe second the Mole had a sound chip in her cd player and that's how she was briefed. And to answer magic_star that was an alto.
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67. "the sax" |
are you sure it's an alto. i guess i only saw the show twice and i didn't take a close look at it, but i think i saw a crook in the neck indicative of a TENOR sax. but most people probably wouldn't know the difference between saxes and a sax clue will just be a sax and the specific kind wouldn't matter.
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CVLspaz 109 desperate attention whore postings
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07-28-02, 08:08 PM (EST)
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71. "RE: Tenor" |
i thought so.  i'm glad i caught that. i don't catch much and this probably means nothing, but so what! i've played all three too and i was almost sure. thanks for confirming this. this just goes to show that if the sax is a clue, it doesn't point to one or the other.
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07-25-02, 02:39 PM (EST)
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65. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
Since those meetings likely happen during their private interviews, that wouldn't leave much time for the mole to actually sit and answer questions to the camera. So who hasn't had many camera interview shots? Al had a ton. Dorothy seems to have a lot. Is this an indication that those with the fewest interview clips are most likely the mole? After all, players would be suspicious, if say, Heather was in the interview room for 1 hour, while the rest were only in there for 30 minutes. Bill seems to have the most opportunities to otherwise be alone (fun house game went back to hotel..no shots of him lounging like we saw of the relaxers last season, night time ball game went back to room, snorer gets room to himself towards the end).
Food for thought.
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07-25-02, 07:26 PM (EST)
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68. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
Found a guestbook Bill signed with his email in it:Name: Bill McDaniel
email: mcdanielwj@aol.com
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Jackie B, the 'B-Boy from B-Town!' Great web site, my friend. I thoroughly enjoyed talking with you Friday, and look forward to getting together again soon; no long lapses again. We are both getting too old for that long a wait! Jack, I value our friendship, and know that you do, also. Stay in touch! (And, watch the Mole II when it comes back on in late May. I got to watch and cheer for you on TV all those times; now, it's your turn to do the same for me!) Bill McDaniel, MD Rear Admiral, USN/ret
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07-28-02, 09:58 PM (EST)
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72. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
My pick is that the Mole is Dorothy. Here are why I think that Bill is not the mole.1)When the maggots were delivered, Bill dug through the box looking for some clue. If he was the mole why would he have even bothered? 2)I may be wrong, but I don't think the contestants were told how long they would have to stay in their respective rooms. Anyway, when Dorothy's timer went off she said something like "30 minutes are up, let me out!" How did she know how long she was supposed to be there for? I could be wrong about this one. Also on a past episode where they all have to ride the bikes up the hill, I found it a little bit odd that everyone had blue or yellow outfits except Dorothy who had red. Not only was Anderson the only other person wearing red, but red is the colour of the mole eliminating someone. Dorothy wasn't eliminated so she must be the mole. I think that dorothy just naturally sucks so it is easy for her to screw up tasks without trying. She is a natural mole. Plus I found it odd that she would have Bungi jumped but didn't. She was the only one.
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07-29-02, 09:41 AM (EST)
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74. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue" |
The time was told to her and she did haveto stay
in there for 30 minutes
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