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Cathy the Canadian 599 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 01-18-05, 11:10 PM (EST) "Editing - Character Development" I looked for a thread to put this in and couldn't find one. Just based on editing, I think Kris and Jon will win. Their storyline hasn't been developed at all yet. They barely get any screen time, and they're never featured in the previews. With only a few episodes left to develop their story, and with well developed stories for every other remaining team ... It reminds me of when Vee won survivor.   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Editing - Character Development PepeLePew13 01-18-05 1    RE: Editing - Character Development Cathy the Canadian 01-19-05 6  Editing - bah humbug realitybites 01-19-05 2    RE: Editing - bah humbug MarkNS 01-19-05 7        Lost realitybites 01-19-05 8            RE: Lost Cathy the Canadian 01-20-05 9                RE: Lost realitybites 01-21-05 10  RE: Editing - Character Development Loree 01-19-05 3  RE: Editing - Character Development munson 01-19-05 4  Some Thoughts Jims02 01-19-05 5    RE: Some Thoughts VA Slim 01-21-05 11        RE: Some Thoughts GameOver3 01-21-05 12  Editing After Episode 11 Devious Weasel 01-26-05 13    Showdown type editing lovwigglesworth 01-26-05 14    RE: Editing After Episode 11 Cathy the Canadian 01-26-05 15  Past Finishes Theory Jims02 01-26-05 16  RE: Editing - Character Development RocketAudy 02-10-05 17    RE: Editing - Character Development memacmur 02-10-05 18        RE: Editing - Character Development beatball2k1 02-10-05 19

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PepeLePew13 26138 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-18-05, 11:25 PM (EST) 1. "RE: Editing - Character Development" It would probably have been best to wait until after TAR aired on the West Coast so there's no tip-off who's safe after tonight's episode ... now people will know that a certain couple is safe tonight. In regards to your post... I agree, it seems at this point that K/J is the most likely winner in terms of editing, however, we've seen in the past that the winner doesn't need to get a good edit in order to win. Flo whined and quit and threw horrible tantrums at Zach all the way to the final episode before they won the race. Chip and Reichen didn't get a great positive edit and they won. One notable exception was Chip and Kim -- would they give us two winners in a row with highly-positive edits? My fear is that one of the other teams will get a huge redemption edit in the episode or two leading up to the finale to make it more "palatable" to accept them as a winner. Scratch and sniff   Top

Cathy the Canadian 599 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 01-19-05, 05:50 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Editing - Character Development" Sorry Pepe. It was on so late last night, I was thinking everyone must have seen it already. Oops.   Top

realitybites 1174 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 01-19-05, 05:09 AM (EST) 2. "Editing - bah humbug" I got burned playing the editing card last season when I told everyone who would listen that Brandon & Nicole would win. They didn't, of course. Editing seems to still be good for determining who WILL NOT win, though. Colin & Christie last season and J&V this season had editing that made them seem so irredeemably bad that I figured neither would win. I agree that Kris & Jon are the favorites to win. But none of the other teams have been edited badly enough, IMO, to completely shut them out. Reality shows that don't/didn't bite: Lost, The Amazing Race, Beg Borrow & Deal, The Wild Rules, I Wanna Date a Race Car Driver, American Dream Derby Reality shows that bit but I watched anyway: Love Cruise, The Bachelor(ette), Joe Millionaire, Married By America   Top

MarkNS 10 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 01-19-05, 09:12 PM (EST) 7. "RE: Editing - bah humbug" Do you really believe that "Lost" is a reality show?   Top

realitybites 1174 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 01-19-05, 10:22 PM (EST) 8. "Lost" Sorry, drifiting off topic for just a second... >Do you really believe that "Lost" is a reality show? If you're talking about "Lost" the currently running drama on ABC, then no. The "Lost" I'm talking about ran during late 2001 on NBC. No horses were harmed in the creation of this post.   Top

Cathy the Canadian 599 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 01-20-05, 11:03 PM (EST) 9. "RE: Lost" Is that the one that Ben Affleck and/or Matt Damon came up with. Someone dropped in a city they don't know, or something like that?   Top

realitybites 1174 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 01-21-05, 05:09 AM (EST) 10. "RE: Lost" >Is that the one that Ben Affleck and/or Matt Damon came >up with. Someone dropped in a city they don't know, or something >like that? Affleck and Damon had nothing to do with this one; however, the US version was produced by Conan O'Brien. The one sentence summary: three teams of two are dropped a long way from New York; the first team to make it back to NYC wins. No horses were harmed in the creation of this post.   Top

Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-19-05, 10:22 AM (EST) 3. "RE: Editing - Character Development" LAST EDITED ON 01-19-05 AT 10:23 AM (EST) Jon & Kris' edit reminds me of the edit that the winners of AR1 had. Brennan and Rob(?) were always in the background and they never focused on them alot. Then they won and we hardly knew them except to think they were nice guys. Jon & Kris are shown enough that we remember they are in the race. But that is it. Of course they don't seem to fight with anyone or each other. So they just don't give the show enough excitement to work with. The others are giving lots of shouting matches and claim the attention.   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 01-19-05, 12:28 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Editing - Character Development" While Kris and John are my favorites this year (I guess becuase the producers have given us nothing to dislike about them) and I would like to see them win, I'm thinking they'll get eliminated next. The editing of Kris and John reminds me so much of the editing Jill and John Vito received. We fell into the same trap, thinking that their story hadn't been developed so they must stick around through the F3. Didn't happen. Maybe there isn't any drama there - just nothing to develop. And why waste story time on a pair that will be eliminated mid-race? I hope they stick around since I think they've been the most consistent racers but I have some doubts. On the other hand, I think Hayden gave us the winner's key quote last night in her response to Phil's question when they checked in at the Pit Stop. Not only is it unusal for Phil to interview a team that's still in the race, she mentioned that finishing last and losing their money was a wake-up call and they felt all of their bad luck was behind them. Chip had one of these comments last year that foreshadowed a victory. My money is on Aaron and Hayden to win the whole she-bang. So, if I've got Kris and John at #5 and Aaron and Hayden on top, where does that leave everyone else? Kendra got some positive spin last night with the reaction to the "third world" children. I'm starting to think Freddy is just a warrior. A lot of confessional and face time for this pair so I'll go ahead and slot them in at #2. Now, the wild cards. Both Lori/Bolo and Adam/Rebecca have received some individual attention. In fact, aside from Jonathon and Victoria, one could argue that Eve/Rebecca have a staring role this time around. OK, good enough for third as the race's "surprising" Final 3 team. My predictions, based mostly on editing, etc,: #5 Kris and John #4 Lori and Bolo #3 Adam and Rebecca #2 Freddy and Kendra #1 Aaron and Hayden   Top

Jims02 7407 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-19-05, 04:03 PM (EST) 5. "Some Thoughts" I love a discussion about editing! Kris/Jon Kris/Jon's editing is very odd in the fact that they have received very little development. These two get along well, are supportive, and do not act as "ugly Americans." Why They'll Win -Good edit throughout, like Chip/Kim from last year. -Rumored to be in the Final Three, due to a sighting. -Young, athletic team. Why They Won't Win -Being portrayed as the team to beat, according to Adam/Rebecca at least. Setting us up for a surprise ending? -Blake/Paige or Dave/Jeff never really got much of a storyline, and both of those teams finished 3rd. My Prediction: 3rd Place I'm still not exactly sold on the idea of Kris/Jon winning. I'm fairly positive they won't finish 2nd. They're edit looks like either the "good for them, 3rd place is good" or the "I'm happy they won" edit. Adam/Rebecca These two are giving me flashbacks to Tara/Will. Will was a screwup at times, but Tara would verbally castrate the guy. Adam/Rebecca clearly aren't getting along. Rebecca is portrayed as headstrong, tough, and "so over" Adam. Adam, on the other hand, is portrayed as physically weak at times and apologetic. Why They'll Win -They're still in the race. Why They Won't Win -TAR isn't going to risk another Zach/Flo winner-edit. They could have *tried* to make A/R look better... -Weak team, statistically. -Makes many mistakes at Roadblocks and Detours -There's no Fast Forward to the final pitstop. My Prediction: 5th I'm not sure if these two can stack up against the other four teams. If these two make it to the Final Three, we may have found our 2nd place finishers. Hayden/Aaron These two are an interesting couple. They alternate between being extremely supportive and extremely naggy. Hayden struggles with her own disabilities (i.e. map reading) and can complain at times. Aaron tries to be patient, but can lose his temper sometimes. They seem to have turned the corner this last week, in terms of editing, and are a happier team that's worth rooting for. Why They'll Win -Young, athletic team -Has some momentum going into the last legs. -Statistically strong team -Is able to really come back from behind. -Unlike Kris/Jon, we "know" this team better, if that makes sense. Why They Won't Win -Not too strong with the driving portions -Could be getting a Brandon/Nicole type edit (3rd) My Prediction: 1st place I like their chances now. I really wanted to see how they would do, starting in last place. That being said, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them eliminated before the Final Three also, since their story might have wrapped up. Lori/Bolo Their edit has been fairly consistent throughout the race. They fight at times, but they still get along pretty well in the end. These two have been abrasive at times to the audience, but likeable at others. Notably, these two really slipped under the radar in the last couple of episodes. I'm not really sure what that means. Why They'll Win -Consistent edit (all winners but Flozach) -Physically strong team (not running) -Wouldn't be objectionable winners -"To Be Continued" drama; the comeback team. Why They Won't Win -Not too statistically strong -Not the best runners -Makes some crucial errors of judgment -Many "character teams" (i.e. frat boys, clowns) finish outside the Top Three. My Prediction: 4th I think this team has a little more storyline, but not much. I could see them placing in any of the Top 5 positions, actually. I see either a mental breakdown or long-distance physical breakdown in the future for them. Freddy/Kendra These two, like Hayden/Aaron are "turning the corner" a little. But theirs is done in a more interesting way. Freddy/Kendra really contrast teams like Rebecca/Adam and Jonathan/Victoria, unpopular teams. We now understand all of Kendra's ignorant "ghetto" comments earlier. She seems to have matured as a person over the course of the race, which bodes well for the final legs. Why They'll Win -Young, athletic team -Better edit in Episode 10 -Getting a little momentum going -Some redemption for the winners? Why They Won't Win -May likely revert back to a negative edit -Possibly too unlikeable in the past for redemption My Prediction: 2nd If Adam/Rebecca go soon, these two may play as our "I'm so glad _____ didn't win" edit. We shall see. So, right now, I have them like this: 5. Adam/Rebecca 4. Lori/Bolo 3. Kris/Jon 2. Freddy/Kendra 1. Hayden/Aaron Jims02: Proud member of the inoffensive OT Triumvirate. Jims' Random Thoughts   Top

VA Slim 450 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 01-21-05, 07:57 AM (EST) 11. "RE: Some Thoughts" Good discussion. I think your ideas on H/A and A/R are spot on. At least that's how I've been playing them in my PTTE. I grew more confident of H/A after their last place finish, with Hayden's confessional. It seemed that she really began to understand that she was the one "holding the team back" and, at least by their performance/edit in ep 10, she backed up her words with deeds. I always thought this team was the most athletic, but their performance in the "middle" legs of the race was beginning to make me doubt that they could overcome their weaknesses - that the "light bulb" came on with Hayden has restored my confidence. I'm not putting all blame on weak finishes on Hayden, but a more positive outlook on her part will do well for Aaron. Adam is just too disfunctional to continue to do well for the remainder of the race. If any of the remaining male racers were teamed with Rebecca, they would be a tough team to beat. She has been carrying the load for this whole race and now that all of the "weaker" teams are gone, she alone won't be able to overcome the odds. To use a "casino" phrase, all of the other teams are a crap shoot as to their order of finish. I haven't looked at the statistics that closely but I believe that K/J have the best overall finishing stats so far. Their problem is that often they are lagging in a portion of a leg of the race before using a finishing kick to pull themselves higher at the end. I look for them to be the team in most jeopardy of being "yielded" before the end of the race and that may be a setback that they can't overcome. L/B seem to be filling the "comedy relief" edit and that usually spells a 4th place finish but the "overcoming the odds" twist makes me believe that a higher place is possible. Kendra has received the most "redeemed" edit so far and that could spell an exit soon. My best guess is: 5. A/R 4. F/K 3. L/B 2. K/J 1. H/A   Top

GameOver3 51 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 01-21-05, 08:52 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Some Thoughts" Freddy and Kendra are getting a somewhat redeeming edit, but it appears next week they dip back into the negative side, with Kendra complaining about the area. I think they will turn into major villains from now until the end, which they will be the team no one wants to win. I predict a 2nd place finish for them as the villains everyone wants to lose. Adam/Rebecca seem to be a bit dysfunctional, but have been comedic along the way with some funny moments. Lori/Bolo are the same way, somewhat dysfunctional but with funny moments as comic relief. I think one of them will win, while the other takes 4th. Aaron/Hayden, their wakeup call I think is pointing to a good race to the end, but ending up losing anyways. They get their little wakeup call, but in the end their bickering costs them. Kris/Jon for now are setup as the strong team to beat. No longer are Lori/Bolo the alpha male team that Jonathan described, they are laying in the darkness to wait for Kris/Jon to fail then finally be the strongest team. I think these guys will fall victim to the final Yield and be the only team eliminated by the Yield. So my predicted order is 5th - Kris/Jon 4th - Adam/Rebecca 3rd - Aaron/Hayden 2nd - Freddy/Kendra 1st - Lori/Bolo But A/R and L/B could swap.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-26-05, 02:15 PM (EST) 13. "Editing After Episode 11" Jon/Kris: We were given the "Jon/Kris are too strong" message too often last night from too many different teams. At the same time, we were also given Kris trying to cheer Bolo up. We're also given them in trouble in the previews, which we all know is a non-elim round. I think it all adds up to Jon/Kris winning. Aaron/Hayden: Though they did well, we were shown some small mistakes of the sort that kill you in the final stretch. We were also given some bickering. My take - second place. Freddy/Kendra: Some redemptive editing with the elephant bit. Still, some negative with the Kendra sick. They are talented racers though, and fit the bill of the third place finisher. Adam/Rebecca: It's better to be lucky than good. Better, that is, until you get to the end. At the end, you need to be good. Adam and Rebecca are here because they've gotten lucky. Fourth place.   Top

lovwigglesworth 239 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 01-26-05, 03:30 PM (EST) 14. "Showdown type editing" It seems to be that in the editing of TAR they try to set up a sort of "showdown" between the final two teams. It was obvious last season as we all seemed to know that Chip/Kim and Colon/Christy would be the final two by the comments of Chip throughout the last legs of the race. Chip/Reichan were the nice guys against the bullies Kelly/Jon who would try to get them to make fun of the other teams with them. I did not see enough of season 2 and 3 to comment on those seasons, and season 1 was too long ago to remember the editing as much. But this season they are setting up a final 2 of Kris/Jon versus either Haydon/Aaron or Freddy/Kendra, I can't tell which one of the models yet. I'm leaning towards Freddy/Kendra though because on at least three occations we have had negative comments from Kendra followed immediately be positive comments from Kris. But Haydon/Aaron do look like the stronger of the two teams and have been saying how strong Kris/Jon are. So that's my long-winded way of agreeing with D.W.   Top

Cathy the Canadian 599 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 01-26-05, 04:17 PM (EST) 15. "RE: Editing After Episode 11" Adam and Rebecca reminded me a lot of Flo and, oh geez, was it Zack? Anyway, remember the episode with the little boat she couldn't work, and she wanted to quit? Reminded me of Adam's hissy fit with the trains. I don't really know what I'm trying to say, since I still think Jon and Kris are going to win, but I thought I'd throw it out there.   Top

Jims02 7407 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-26-05, 05:57 PM (EST) 16. "Past Finishes Theory" Maybe it is useful to look at how the past seasons' winners/losers were depicted? ...And yes, I did have to research this. 4th Place TAR1: Kevin/Drew (The Festers) TAR2: Danny/Oswald (Cha-Cha-Cha) TAR3: Derek/Drew (Twins) TAR4: Jon/Al (The Clowns) TAR5: Linda/Karen (Bowling Moms) The strange thing about 4th place is that many of the more unique or popular teams get eliminated. Each of these teams received a good deal of face time, which also added to their likeability. Notably, Derek/Drew were eliminated as a threat to the other teams though. It seemed that Lori/Bolo were destined to finish in fourth, as they portrayed some of these qualities. However, they are gone, so we might have to look elsewhere. Based on this theory, it would appear that Adam/Rebecca or Kris/Jon are most in trouble here. Adam/Rebecca have received a ton of face time, like many of the other fourth place finishers. Their face time may not have been positive, but is still significant. Kris/Jon is a very popular team. And that's not good news in the Final Four. 3rd Place 1. Joe/Bill (The Guidos) 2. Blake/Paige 3. Ken/Gerard 4. David/Jeff 5. Brandon/Nicole Third place is more of a mixed bag. We have two less-memorable teams (Blake/Paige and David/Jeff), but we also have a couple memorable ones, like the Guidos and Ken/Gerard. Third place is often edited in contrast of the other two teams. -The Guidos were entertaining, to Rob/Brennen's UTR cooperation and Frank/Margarita's fighting. -Blake/Paige were UTR, to Tara/Wil's fighting, and Chris/Alex's UTR. -Ken/Gerard were entertaining, Teri/Ian were becoming more likeable underdogs, and Flo/Zack fought. -David/Jeff were UTR, Kelly/Jon fought, and Reichen/Chip were "the alpha male" team. -Brandon/Nicole were UTR, but more visable than the other UTRs, Colin/Christie fought, and Chip/Kim were entertaining. Right now, we have: -Adam/Rebecca fighting constantly -Kris/Jon being likeable (entertaining, I guess?) -Freddy/Kendra being kinda UTR, but not too popular. -Hayden/Aaron fighting, but slip UTR at times too. 2nd Place 1. Frank/Margarita 2. Tara/Wil 3. Teri/Ian 4. Kelly/Jon 5. Colin/Christie This one's a little easier to nail down. Each of these teams were extremely annoying in some way, at certain times. The only exception is Teri/Ian toward the end, who were more likeable than Flo/Zach. No wonder we were so suprised? Based on prior editing, the audience has reason to root against Adam/Rebecca or even Freddy/Kendra. Hayden can be annoying at times, but Aaron's calm demeanor reminds me of teams like Brandon/Nicole or even Flo/Zach. 1st Place 1. Rob/Brennan 2. Chris/Alex 3. Flo/Zach 4. Reichen/Chip 5. Chip/Kim This is a mixed bag too. We've had a couple of "blah" winners, like Chris/Alex and Rob/Brennan, who didn't receive much character development. We've also had a villain win. Reichen/Chip's win reminds me of Vecepia's S4 win, where the audience was too relieved that Kelly/Jon didn't win. And finally, we had Chip/Kim, a generally liked winner. Each of these teams (save Flo/Zach) got a fairly consistent edit, and were portrayed more positively than the 2nd place team. In terms of positivity, Kris/Jon are running out in front. Hayden/Aaron also are portrayed as supportive, or at least more supportive than Freddy/Kendra. Here are some possibilities for each placement. It doesn't really solve many of the questions, but really opens up some thought. 4th Place -Adam/Rebecca (facetime) -Kris/Jon (likeability) 3rd Place -Kris/Jon (UTR edit) -Freddy/Kendra (blah edit) -Hayden/Aaron (Brandon/Nicole edit) 2nd Place -Adam/Rebecca (unlikeable) -Freddy/Kendra (less likeable than H/A or K/J) 1st Place -Kris/Jon (loveable, somewhat UTR winner) -Hayden/Aaron (more visible, not hated) Most anything could happen though. It will be interesting to see where they all finish. Jims02: Proud member of the inoffensive OT Triumvirate. Jims' Random Thoughts   Top

RocketAudy 70 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 02-10-05, 01:40 AM (EST) 17. "RE: Editing - Character Development" LAST EDITED ON 02-10-05 AT 01:49 AM (EST) I think this season proved that analyzing the editing on The Amazing Race is a futile enterprise. Freddy and Kendra won, despite getting a really nasty edit. It seems like there was no attempt to rehabilitate them into more likeable characters by the end. If anything, they got worse in the final episode; the "sick child" lie in the airport, and the continued belittling of Rebecca and Adam. Surely they had SOME footage of Kendra looking humble and appreciative. Did the producers have it out for these guys? Did some editor, disgusted with their Africa behavior decide, "well, they may have won the million, but I'm not going to make them look good too." Kris and Jon had a very vague and imprecise edit all season. Mainly they were seen only sparingly. I can't remember another final three team that got this little screen time. They seemed to have no storyline at all. Just a general cheerfullness and sweetness. And what was up with the whole Freddy Kendra / Rebecca Adam rivalry? The whole "should we have yielded Kris and Jon instead?" controversy, Adam's "They'll pay for that" comment, all of the little leading lines that seemed to indicate that somehow F/K and R/A were going to have a showdown, all of them were red herrings. There was no showdown and Rebecca and Adam finished in their most predictable spot. It might be that "storyline" editing isn't really used on this show. They figure, "we'll just turn these people into interesting characters and let the chips fall where they may." Or, maybe this season was an abberation. Perhaps the racers weren't falling into easily edited storylines. (How do you turn a spoiled, arrogant, racist, fashion model into a likeable figure?)   Top

memacmur 359 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 02-10-05, 12:30 PM (EST) 18. "RE: Editing - Character Development" One comment on the the "Redemption of Kendra." I thought is was blatantly done in the episode where Freddy and Kendra played elephant polo. She didn't make comments about how wretched the people were, and she actually smiled and enjoyed herself on camera. At first, I thought this may have been an indicator that they were about to be eliminated with the 'aw shucks, they're nice after all' edit, but instead, I think they were setting up their good traits so we could stomach them as winners. They also chose to focus on FK's battle with AR in part (I think) to focus on the fact that they were competitors. Basically, despite putting the targets on their back, they survived the challenge put forth from Rebecca (and goat-boy), and persevered. As for the my child is sick thing in the airport.... I will forgive almost anything when it comes down to the final leg. But maybe that's just me!   Top

beatball2k1 31 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-10-05, 09:57 PM (EST) 19. "RE: Editing - Character Development" >Kris/Jon > >Why They'll Win >-Rumored to be in the Final Three, due to a sighting. Where was the sighting and is there a link?   Top

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