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"04/03 Episode Discussion"
The pre-fight challenge includes a medicine ball. Let's see how this plays out.
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 RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion ARnutz 04-03-05 1
   RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion volsfan 04-03-05 2
 RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion volsfan 04-03-05 3
   RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion ARnutz 04-03-05 6
 RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion ARnutz 04-03-05 4
   RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion volsfan 04-03-05 5
       RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion ARnutz 04-03-05 7
           RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion ARnutz 04-03-05 8
           RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion volsfan 04-03-05 9
               RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion ARnutz 04-03-05 12
                   RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion volsfan 04-03-05 13
 RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion volsfan 04-03-05 10
 Challenge ARnutz 04-03-05 11
   RE: Challenge volsfan 04-03-05 14
 toeing the line ARnutz 04-03-05 15
 RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion volsfan 04-03-05 16
   RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion ARnutz 04-03-05 17
 RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion volsfan 04-03-05 18
   RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion ARnutz 04-03-05 19
       RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion volsfan 04-03-05 20
 RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion volsfan 04-03-05 21
   RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion ARnutz 04-03-05 26
 Round 1: volsfan 04-03-05 22
 Round 2: volsfan 04-03-05 23
 Round 3: volsfan 04-03-05 24
   RE: Round 3: ARnutz 04-03-05 25
       Next Week ARnutz 04-03-05 27
           RE: Next Week volsfan 04-03-05 28
       RE: Round 3: JayT 04-03-05 29
           RE: Round 3: I_AM_HE 04-03-05 30
               RE: Round 3: volsfan 04-03-05 31
 RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion ladro 04-03-05 32
   RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion volsfan 04-03-05 33
       RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion ladro 04-04-05 34
           RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion Da Contenda 04-04-05 35
           RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion Papashroom 04-04-05 36
               Brent: weakest boxer there AyaK 04-04-05 37
               RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion TroyGun25 04-04-05 38
                   Disagree AyaK 04-04-05 39
                       RE: Disagree FarwestChips 04-04-05 40
                       RE: Disagree TroyGun25 04-04-05 41
                           RE: Disagree FarwestChips 04-04-05 42
 RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion Budfox82 04-04-05 43
   RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion TroyGun25 04-04-05 44
       RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion Budfox82 04-04-05 45
       RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion FarwestChips 04-04-05 46
           RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion Budfox82 04-04-05 47
               RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion FarwestChips 04-04-05 48
                   RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion Budfox82 04-04-05 49
           RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion TroyGun25 04-04-05 50
               RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion Budfox82 04-04-05 51
                   RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion pax 04-05-05 52
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1. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
Yay! Here we go again.


Peter gets to spend the night with his family.


The guys were discussing who would fight next. Anthony says he'll take Jimmy.

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2. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
Well, we are now seeing the 3-4 guys that haven't said more than 3 words in each episode so far. I don't them apart. I know Jimmy but the others have slipped my mind!
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3. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
LAST EDITED ON 04-03-05 AT 07:12 PM (EST)

Why is Anthony saying that he won't have anyone there when he fights? Has he decided to not take his kids? I am confused...

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6. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
I guess they couldn't be there because of their first day of school. He was really choked up.
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4. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
Peter gets his bling-bling immunity thing and the East gets to go see The Tonight show with Jay Leno (sponsored by Sierra Mist?)


Ishe says now that they got a reward they're not going to want to lose.


They meet Jay backstage.

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5. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
The Tonight Show thingy was pretty darn cool!

Anthony says he won't pick Jimmy!

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7. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
LAST EDITED ON 04-03-05 AT 07:16 PM (EST)

Now he told Tarick that he knows he is going to fight Jimmy, but he wants to win the challenge so he can call Jimmy out. It's a psychological thing.


OMG! I just remembered tonight they stop the fight!

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8. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
I wonder if he just wants to win the challenge becaus ehe wants to call out someone else.
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9. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
No, I think Anthony is gonna surprise his team and when he does they are gonna be pissed!

Yep tonight is when they stop the fight!

Here comes the challenge.

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12. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
I wonder if he'll pick someone too hard to handle and will get himself in trouble.
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13. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
WOW! He picked Brent and the west team is pissed!
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10. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
West coast wins! I guess we find out what Anthony is going to do!
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11. "Challenge"
Haul medicine balls to the top of a dam and load them in a Toyota truck. When they are done, they have to release a flag.

Sheesh! Does every challenge have to use a Toyota truck?


East looked really strong at first, but the West got it together and pulled off another win!

They get to choose who fights.

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14. "RE: Challenge"
The challenge looked tough!
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15. "toeing the line"
Anthony called out Brent. Jimmy is pissed that he didn't get called out, he was prepared to fight now.

Joey is also pissed, he was supposed to fight Brent.


Jimmy tells Brent to kick his a$$.


A bunch of the guys decide to go out for a few drinks, Brent goes with them but doesn't drink. He was in jail for a DUI recently.

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16. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
Jesse was getting tipsy and crackin me up! Did you see him tweakin nipples...LMAO!
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17. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
LAST EDITED ON 04-03-05 AT 07:38 PM (EST)

I guess he's OK to drink for now, he's already in the final 8. ETA: meaning it won't interfere with his training?

Ishe was praying with Brent. They have found a connection.


Uh-Oh press conference!

Hey, they never showed that when Najai fought.

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18. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
Unless EPMB is screwing with us...editing looks like Anthony wins. Don't you think nutz?
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19. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
It does look like an Anthony win, which would surprise me because Brent looks much bigger than him and Anthony doesn't look like he could knock him out!
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20. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
Well, the thing that iced it for me was when Jesse told Brent to knock-out Anthony...oh the irony so says EPMB!
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21. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
Why did we even asked why the kids were not going to be there...they show up! EPMB slipped that one by me!
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26. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
Duh! Of course! Why didn't I see that either?
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22. "Round 1:"
From what we were shown Brent took a beating BIG time.
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23. "Round 2:"
Anthony is on the ofeensive early and lands some punches.

Brent is taking another beating! He is getting pounded! His face is a beaten pulp!

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24. "Round 3:"
LAST EDITED ON 04-03-05 AT 07:50 PM (EST)

Anthony is just beating the carp outta him. He landed punch after punch! Anthony was an animal and round 3 has been stopped after 38 seconds.

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25. "RE: Round 3:"
LAST EDITED ON 04-03-05 AT 07:53 PM (EST)

Poor Brent!

Anthony took the low road here, he chose the easier fight just so he could guarantee himself the final 8.


Ishe wants a piece of him now! Anthony has a target on his back!

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27. "Next Week"
An explosion outside the ring!


... and the most anticipated fight yet.

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28. "RE: Next Week"
Next week looks intense...let's hope so!
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29. "RE: Round 3:"
Anthony did what he felt had to do...at 33 his time is running out. The other fighters shouldn't cry so much about it.

As for Smiths.."it's personal", please. Cooper is a grown man and did his best, this isn't golf. I did like Smiths hissy though in next weeks previews!

BTW I'm not a Ishe Smith hater, he's my bet to win the whole thing.

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30. "RE: Round 3:"
LAST EDITED ON 04-03-05 AT 08:37 PM (EST)

basically agree here. i don't begrudge Anthony making the move he thought he needed to make, although it was a little low - think he could have done it without being so dishonest. but i do feel sorry for Brent, because he seemed like a really good guy, and for Jimmy, who was ready to fight. i don't feel too sorry for Joey though, wow what a whiner. he's still got time to prepare, even if it's a different match than he expected

i missed bits of the show though cause i was switching back and forth between the show and Baylor's march to the national title game!

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31. "RE: Round 3:"
I agree with the two of you. This is a competition these people have entered for themselves and not others. I think Jimmy's (this week) and Ishe's (next week) little hissy fit is a little overboard.

HE...I am doing the same thing with my Lady Vols and Desperate Housewives. Good luck in the championship game! If the Vols make it we may have to have a little side bet!

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32. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
Evidently the Lord wanted Brent to get his a@@ kicked. I can't help but wonder what Brent did to deserve such a beating.
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33. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
Ok...that was just evil...HILARIOUS...but evil!

He did get the crap beat out of him and it just seemed like all he was doing was trying to protect himself. He had no offense at all. Anthony was all over him.

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34. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
but evil is my antidrug. While the pope's away the evil will play. I only saw about 10 mintues of the episode (just prior to the fight and during). Maybe it was just a coincidence but during that 10 minutes Brent (and his woman) made half a dozen references to god. Seemed excessive to me.
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35. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
I also believe in God, but I don't think anyone is predestined to take a beating like that!! I think Brent's lack of punches and Tony's power may have had something to do with the outcome as well.
Did anyone else think it was hilarious that after Tony's kids got there he said, "God help Brent Cooper"? I laughed my a$$ off when he said that.
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36. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
If you look at brents record 20-2 seems awesome yet he has only fought ppl who are like 1-20 he hasent fought anyone tough.
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37. "Brent: weakest boxer there"
LAST EDITED ON 04-04-05 AT 09:52 AM (EST)

We discussed Brent's talent a couple of times previously. There is a boxer on the East Coast named Reggie Strickland with a career record of 66-272-17. Losing to Reggie Strickland means that you're a pretender, not a contender.

Reggie fought three of the contestants on The Contender. In Sept. 2003, he lost an 8-round unanimous decision to Anthony Bonsante. In both April 1998 (3-round DQ) and March 1999 (6-round decision), he lost to Jonathan Reid. But Brent Cooper? Reggie beat Brent Cooper in a 4-round decision in February 1998, and then they tied in a 4-round rematch in June 1998.

Career records versus Reggie Strickland:
Anthony 1-0-0
Jonathan 2-0-0
Brent 0-1-1

As a result, many of us have argued right along that Brent was the worst boxer on the show. We didn't see anything last night to shake that belief.

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38. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
I was at a "Contender" viewing party in Minnesota with Bonsante and talked to him and he gave some very interesting insight. He said Joey is one of the biggest whinning SOBs on the show and that as the weeks go on the guys come around and understand why he did what he did.

The thing the rest of the fighters don't get is that only one guy stands alone with $1 million at the end and I doubt that the winner will split the money with his teammates. Tony is 32 years old and this is probably his last shot. He's is playing the game perfectly. I think once it gets down to the final 8 anything can happen but as far as the mental game goes, Tony is leading that category.

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39. "Disagree"
>The thing the rest of the fighters don't get is that
>only one guy stands alone with $1 million at the
>end and I doubt that the winner will split the
>money with his teammates.

The problem with this "logic" is that the winner won't be able to fight a whole diet of Brent Coopers to get to be the winner. Anthony will not be permitted to pick his fight again, so who is he going to beat? Peter, who cleaned his clock two months before The Contender? Ishe, who was the only fighter on the show ranked in the top 10 with ALL FOUR rating bodies (WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO)? Jesse, who was ranked in the top 15 by the WBO? Alfonso, who started things off by upsetting Peter? Sergio, who has proven himself in Olympic-style boxing? He's not going to be able to fight the winner of one of the two remaining first-round matches, and they are the only ones he'd have a chance against.

All he's done is seal his second-round doom, at the cost of his reputation.

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40. "RE: Disagree"
Cooper lost to Strickland LMAO. When Brian Gumbol does a story on Reggie Strickland saying he should no longer be aloud to fight because he is so bad, than you go out and get whooped by strickland, LMAO its time to go get a job stocking shelves.
Cooper was not a contender That’s the first post I ever made on these boards.
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41. "RE: Disagree"
I agree with some of what you said Ayak. Once they're in the final 8 it is going to be tough. Ishe and Peter, I think, are the best fighters out there. I'm not all that impressed with Jesse or Sergio and Alphonso may have gotten lucky with the win over Peter. Am I saying Tony is going to win it all? Heck no, but so far he's the only boxer that is playing the game. The other thing about Tony is he's got boxing experience. He's probably boxed in at least 10 more fights than any other boxer on the show. Yeah, I'm rooting for him. Do I think he'll win the whole thing? Probably not. Could he make it to the semi finals, he's got a good chance. Only time will tell.
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42. "RE: Disagree"
He has no chance of making it to the Semi Finals, there is not a single fighter that has advanced so far that will have any trouble beating him. And for the record he has not faught 10 more fights than any one else on the show, look it up, and if you take away the chumps he has faught his record is 2-4-1. And dont forget Manfredo did not just beat him, he won every round cleanly, and dominated him from start to finish.
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43. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
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Well, I'm so glad Jesus made it to the fight to prop up his boy. The dude won't shut up about f***in' Jesus all epsiode, about how Jesus wants him to be The Contender, ends up the first boxer to get KO'd the entire show, then says "I guess it's not God's will" at the end. What a loser. Take some responsibility, #####, you can't substitute one addiction for another and expect to succeed. The prepared don't win fights because God favors the prepared. The prepared win fights because they're prepared.

That being said, he didn't get much of a chance to prepare. Tony's not the only guy out there with a kid - and, kid or no kid, taking the easy way out is pretty hard for me to respect. Which is difficult b/c, otherwise, he's such a likeable, sincere guy. And, facing the easiest guy or not, he's one hell of a boxer. He might be the one to win this thing.

I'd really like to see Juan fight.

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44. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
I don't know that Tony will win the whole thing, the final 8 boxers are going to be very tough fighters, yes FarwestChips, that includes Tony, as much as you think he's a chump he's still a pretty decent boxer. What I love about this show is the whole family angle. These guys are all out there to make their loved one's lives better and I feel so bad at the end when the loser is interviewed.

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45. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
Agreed - the only boxer thus far I haven't been (very) sorry to see go was Ahmed. What an annoying prick, I'm glad he got thrown out on the street. Remember what his g/f said? Don't make her go home and tell "Daddy" he's a loser? I laughed soooo hard. Good riddance. I felt like jumping through the TV and taking him out, myself. Every single time it showed the guys working out, where was Ahmed? Upstairs. Getting a backrub. F***ing joke.

Watching Reid leave wasn't THAT bad, though. Largely b/c of his final statements about reconsidering boxing. If he was unsure of whether or not he wanted to continue, he lost the match before he got there. But Peter, Najai, Miguel, those were tough. The most haunting line in reality TV history: "I feel greatness ahead of me." My jaw f***ing dropped.

I also find it hard to put my anger into words that this show isn't doing better in the ratings department. It's one of the best shows on television.

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46. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
On what do you base he is a decent fighter? Who has he ever beaten? Boxing is a sport that requires you to beat somebody to be somebody. The best fighter he has ever fought is Manfredo who has also never really beaten anyone. And Manfredo did not just beat him, he whooped him silly.
I agree with you 100% that the family aspect is nice, I would not mind if they went to a 2 show a week platform, first show is an introduction to the fights and the second is the fight. But I guess that would be asking allot.
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47. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
With the way its doing in the ratings, my hope at this point is that they throw it on DVD. I'm sure, if they do, there'll be more at that point.
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48. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
The ratings are that bad? I knew they were low but low enough to not finish the season?
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49. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
NBC's come out and said that the show's too expensive to shelve, so it'll keep going. I just really wanted this show to "take off", so to speak, as it's better than anything Burnett's doing lately. It's, quite simply, one of the best shows on TV. Survivor and Apprentice have both lost their luster.

So they'll continue the season...whether or not they'll fork over the green to produce DVDs is another question.

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50. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
FarwestChips- And who has Joey fought? He's had only 8 fights I believe and I'm sure they weren't all against quality opponents. I realize that Cooper was very inferior but you can't tell me that Tony is not at least a decent boxer...I mean he absolutely tore Cooper apart, unlike any boxer so far in the show. That said, do I think he could beat Manfredo or Ishe? I kinda doubt it. But in a five round fight anything can happen because there is no room for error. That goes for any boxer there, including a guy like Joey who has very little experience. You never know when Lady Luck is involved.
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51. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
I think Tony's going to be fighting harder than he has in the past based on his record. Simply because of where he gets his energy, from his kids. As such, he seems a bit of an opportunist. He jumped on this opportunity. So while he may not have more riding on this than the other boxers, he's certainly acting like it.

Weak opponent or not, he came out of his corner on fire last night. If he fights with that amount of energy next round, he could find himself in the Final Four.

I'm really pulling for Sergio to make it to the Final Four, though. I really like that guy for some strange reason.

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52. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
One thing that nobody's brought up is the fact that Tony comes out of this fight in great shape physically -- certainly much better than Manfredo, who already has fought twice and looked pretty battered after last week. So I think it was good strategy -- just over two rounds of work and Tony didn't have a mark on him, so he's that much more ready to go the next time. anyone know how far apart the fights are?
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53. "RE: 04/03 Episode Discussion"
I think the fights are 3 days apart, but they may have some time in between the 1st and 2nd round.
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