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"AI forum split ... and the "thread police""
AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings
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04-23-04, 03:59 PM (EST)
 
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"AI forum split ... and the "thread police"" |
I have two items that I'd like to share with you all.1) The number of posts in this forum ... and the wide gulf between those people who want to bash the contestants and those who like them ... has brought us to the point of splitting this forum. We had planned to hold off doing that until after AI3 was over, but we have had some feedback indicating that the sooner the split takes place, the better. Our first thought is to put up a "Fanatics" and "Bashers" forum. Those forum titles do NOT mean that only positive items should go in Fanatics and everything negative must go in Bashers. Instead, they symbolize a difference in mindset about the show. Posts that LOVE the show and really care about what happens -- even if the post says, "How can those sucky, talentless so-and-sos still be here when Jennifer is gone?" -- should go in Fanatics. Posts with an "attitude" -- snarky, sarcastic, etc. (like me about Barry Manilow) -- should go in Bashers. We think this will hold down some of the conflict that has been arising. If you have different (or even better) ideas, please post them in this thread -- but as of today, the split will be Fanatics and Bashers. (By the way, the "Spoiler" posts on show nights should go in Fanatics, in case you were wondering.) 2) Like many of you "old-timers," I dislike the proliferation of duplicate threads. However, that doesn't mean that we need to comment on those threads, except for a mod to note that they are duplicates and to lock them. PLEASE, just make an alert about the post and let the moderators (sleeeve, Webby and me) handle it. I've been on message boards where there was an intense "new vs. old" mentality, and I've never liked it. I hope we don't fall into that same trap. In that vein, I want to share with you part of an e-mail that I received from a relatively new poster, expressing just a little frustration: "I have never seen ... people who are ALWAYS butting in to the new people's posts to dictate. THIS should be in an established thread, YOU NEED TO READ THE GUIDELINES, etc, etc. "Granted, there are a bunch of idiots out there, and there need to be guidelines to keep them in line, but ... I would think that if the duplicate thread thing wasn't such a big deal, many of these self-appointed thread police wouldn't know what to talk about anymore. Your guidelines mean well, and they are simple enough to follow, but maybe a few changes might alleviate some of this constant tension." I'm afraid that this person may be making good points. Nevertheless, I'm going to continue to lock most threads that I think are duplicates ... but that's a call that I (and the other mods) have to make. Please help us do that by "alerting" duplicate posts WITHOUT otherwise commenting on them. Thanks.
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04-23-04, 05:00 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: AI forum split ... and the "thread police"" |
Is Canadian Idol being broadcast in the US?
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greenmonstah 10761 desperate attention whore postings
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04-23-04, 04:33 PM (EST)
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3. "Thanks!" |
I think this will work out perfectly! And, I would like to openly apologize if *I* ever appeared to be overly harsh or critical. I would hope in all of my postings I have been considerate toward other posters (I cannot promice the same to the contestents on any show- I bash, therefore I am) and if there have been any isolated incidents, I openly apologize for it. This community is a great one and we are such a fuuny bunch!
 <--- has not started a thread in AI in a long time...could no longer figure out what was new or a variation of the old.
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true 9689 desperate attention whore postings
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04-23-04, 04:37 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: AI forum split ... and the "thread police"" |
Thank you, for addressing these issues. I do want to say, that whenever I've alerted a duplicate post, the moderators here have been unbelievably prompt in addressing the matter. I just want to remind people that if they don't get an immediate response, to just be patient.I too, believe the person who emailed you made some valid points. It was becoming just as difficult to wade through all the correction responses, as it was to wade through the duplicate topics. We were ALL new once, and while sometimes it seems annoying to see thread after thread repeated, it's just as annoying to see a group 'pile on' to correct it. I've also been disappointed in all the congratulating going on, after those corrections were made. It just makes us look bad to potential new members, and violates the very guidelines we're trying to enforce. As far as the split forums, I don't think it could hurt. The population here is already familiar with the Fanatic/Basher concept, and I think it will be well received.
Oh my hen!
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04-23-04, 05:52 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: AI forum split ... and the "thread police"" |
I *heart* you True and agree with everything you said.
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04-23-04, 04:38 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: AI forum split ... and the "thread police"" |
Wow,
I am a little saddened by the need to split the forum but I hope it helps. I don't have an opinion about the Canadian Idol forum (like Strid333) and whether it should be split because I just recently discovered that you had one for CI (I guess I am the stereotypical Canadian and I shocked when something we do gets noticed. I am impressed!)
La Vida es un Tango!
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qwertypie 9776 desperate attention whore postings
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04-23-04, 07:29 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: AI forum split ... and the "thread police"" |
When you are watching the evening news, it is that big blank shape connecting Alaska with the rest of the good ole US of A. We are also great exporters of the Canadian Clipper (which causes all of your cold weather tho' we refer to it as the SIBERIAN HIGH) and Celine Dion. Sorry about that!
Back to the thread: I am not sure how the splitting of forums will help the duplicate threads but it might help with the hurt feelings. Maybe people will be more glowing in the fanatics and expect the show to be seriously bashed in the bashers and not take it personally. I had suggested something similar for the bachelorette forum but the traffic did not warrant it.
I was impressed with the restraint shown by most by not posting spoilers this past week, but the flip side was that many more duplicate posts were posted as people did not know or did knot have time to look in the spoiler thread to see if something similar was said. I am not sure what the solution is, but I applaud the benevolent blue ones for trying.
Love and Warm Fuzzies to All!
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qwertypie 9776 desperate attention whore postings
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04-24-04, 00:01 AM (EST)
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49. "RE: AI forum split ... and the "thread police"" |
Now I'm really crushed! 
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AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings
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04-23-04, 08:29 PM (EST)
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37. "Please, no!" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-23-04 AT 09:08 PM (EST)The "separate forum" for Canadian Idol is the news forum -- but I would have loved to had enough discussion of CI to warrant its own discussion forum -- and if we can get that kind of discussion, we'll split it off by itself. Hey, I thought we'd get a Jennifer-like reaction when Toya Alexis got booted ... but I don't even remember much discussion about it. And, to my fellow Yanks, Canadian Idol doesn't run down here ... but it should. We do try to cover Canadian news, even if it's from Quebec:
http://www.realitytvworld.com/index/articles/story.php?s=2506 Stephanie Lapointe, winner of Star Academie 2004:
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04-23-04, 06:05 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: AI forum split ... and the "thread police"" |
Ayak, I have a few questions. 1) Will there be something that indicates that the Fanatics forum is also for show night spoilers? 2) During Survivor Pearl Islands (and Amazing Race 3) I saw a number of posts bashing contestants in the Fanatics forum, especially in threads that had been started as a fan thread for a certain contestant. I also saw a lot of posters defending their favorite contestants in the Bashers forum when a thread was started to bash a certain contestant. Is that O.K.? 3) How does splitting the forums help? (Eventhough I am a true AR and Mole Fanatic, I have never understood the two different forums.) 
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AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings
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04-23-04, 09:07 PM (EST)
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40. "Alternatives" |
1) Yes -- we'll put it in the description (if we forget, please remind us).2) OK, this is a hard one -- and it's the main reason that I posted about the forum split before we do it. When we started Reality TV World as a Survivor-oriented board, most of us were refugees from another site that split its boards based on INTENT of the post. If you wanted to mock someone or something, you posted in Bashers. If you wanted to praise or criticize but NOT mock, then you posted in Fanatics. But there's a big problem with a split based on intent --- it's not always clear to someone else what the intent of the post is. For example, what if you read a post in Fanatics saying that a particular singer was the second coming of, say, Dean Martin and wanted to reply -- "yeah, he sounds just like Dino did when he was drunk out of his gourd." That's mocking, right? -- so you can't post it to the Fanatics thread; you need to start a new thread on the topic in Bashers. But what if you wanted to reply simply that, in your opinion, the singer can't sing at the level expected of an Idol? That's OK to post on Fanatics. I think you can see how, in the real world, Fanatics posts tend to blend into Bashers posts. In fact, this is a problem on all the boards -- and it may be a problem here. So what's the alternative? One choice would be to break the boards based on content instead of intent. Posts about the upcoming show topic, the judges, the show-night spoilers, etc. could go into a "show discussion" forum, while posts about individual contestants could go into a "contestant discussion" forum. This is the approach used by some other boards. We've generally opted not to go that way -- but maybe it's a better idea. What do you all think? 3) A split between Fanatics and Bashers tends to separate the people who live and die with the show from the people who love to make snide comments about it -- which is where most of the fights usually come from. But it's not a clear division. A split between show threads and contestant threads doesn't do that, but it's cleaner and easier to manage. Again, I'd like to know people's comments and preferences. We'll try to take them into account. Really!
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04-24-04, 06:41 PM (EST)
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64. "RE: Alternatives" |
I'd miss the opportunity to snark during the show. The travesties that occur on AI need an immediate outlet. 
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04-23-04, 06:11 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: AI forum split ... and the "thread police"" |
I'm not exactly clear about the two different forums either. I'm a "Fanatic" most days I guess, but it seems pretty subjective. Also, how will this stop duplicate threads ? Won't we now just get duplicates in two differnt forums ?
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04-23-04, 08:52 PM (EST)
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38. "RE: AI forum split ... and the "thread police"" |
Can I join the love fest?I to would like to apoligize since I have been guilty of policing the boards recently. I was only trying to help everyone else with the problem that seemed to be getting out of hand! I agree with Brav(I think it was you ) that you mods do a great job and I certainly would not want to do it. This is a great place to come, helps work go by faster and is highly addictive! I hope more people come and join the fun! ***Keeping it plain & simple since 19XX***
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04-23-04, 10:19 PM (EST)
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47. "RE: AI forum split ... and the "thread police"" |
Thanks to Ayak for a fair and balanced view and attempting to make the board comfortable for old and new members alike. mrc had a suggestion (tongue in cheek I think) on the Welcome thread about assigning newbies our own thread and letting us just sort of obliterate ourselves with mistakes. lol Might not be a bad idea! I know the frustration of seeing threads practically sitting on top of each other that say essentially the same thing. I also know some of that has to be done on purpose. But for most there is just a learning curve.
People I work with are discussing these shows just as much as they are discussed on the boards. I came here just to have another place to read and talk about things I am watching anyway. The number of posts doesn't always indicate someone's familiarity with the rules. I read for several months before I ever posted anything-especially on Survivor Spoilers. I still don't post there because they are so far ahead of me in picking out clues that all I need to do is sit there.
I commend Ayak for trying to come up with an answer.
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04-24-04, 09:15 AM (EST)
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57. "RE: AI forum split ... and the "thread police"" |
Completely tongue-in-cheek on my part. I enjoy the banter too much!
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04-24-04, 01:04 AM (EST)
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51. "RE: Thanks, Ayak" |
First of all, yes, thanks, AyaK, for all of this good entertainment here. I don't think we can say it enough that we appreciate the people who host us here. You're a bunch of jolly good sports. As for the difference between Bashers and Fanatics when it comes to what constitutes "bashing" versus "expressing an opinion that conflicts with a Fanatic's viewpoint," can we not just go with Who Started It And Why? What I mean by this is... Let's say for some reason that I loved John Stevens and wanted to praise his hair colour and singing voice. On that basis, I would naturally tend toward joining a discussion that I would no doubt find already in existence in Fanatics. (Of course, I could start my own thread to unctuously moon over John in the Fanatics forum, but only if one didn't already exist, and naturally I would read back at least seven years to ensure that I wasn't about to duplicate an earlier conversation. ::nods sagely to the moderators: But let's say someone who despises John (and in fact finds him crushingly bad in the same way as having a door placed on one's chest and large rocks loaded upon it until one suffocates to death is crushingly bad) wishes to register an objection to my fawning post. Surely I must expect this, having published my obviously drug-addled conjecture for all to see in a public forum? Surely any complaining respondent would not be out of place in Fanatics, simply because his (or her) post would in essence be a bashing of John? Likewise, if the bashing had originally been posted in its rightful home -- Bashers -- then surely it would be part of the fun for a Fanatic to venture forth with additional grist for Bashers' respective mills in the form of praise for John after his humiliation at the hands of the basher? In other words, let it police itself. People will find their homes themselves, and where there is marginally inappropriate content for either forum, the posters can largely be relied upon to get about their own business back in their rightful place before long. If anything, don't police Bashers at all (for if a Fanatic ventures in there, upon his own head be it, and I hope he does, because that's when it gets fun) and merely remind those in Fanatics that bashing beyond "I disagree -- I like X other contestant better" should be taken elsewhere. For me, it ultimately comes down to whether you think the show as a whole and everyone involved in it is horrid and indefensible, or whether you like the show and simply prefer one candidate over another. This is very much a matter of intent rather than content, but like I said, I think you should just break us in two and let us fall where we will. See you in Bashers. ;)
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74. "RE: Thanks, Ayak" |
goDawful -- thou witty, thou wise, thou wonderful.
(Hope you're not too young to recognize those lyrics.)
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04-24-04, 06:24 PM (EST)
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61. "RE: AI forum split ... and the "thread police"" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-24-04 AT 06:52 PM (EST)I want to understand. So, if I'm really into the show and am dedicated to voting in the best singer, I vote in "Fanatics." That's even if I'm incredibly put out that John Stevens is still a contender and I say so in my posts? I just have to be nice - always a struggle. I get it - if I believe Bugs Bunny would be a better choice than John Stevens, I'd post in Bashers. See ya in Bashers!
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04-24-04, 08:36 PM (EST)
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66. "RE: AI forum split ... and the "thread police"" |
if I believe Bugs Bunny would be a better choice than John Stevens, I'd post in Bashers. See ya in Bashers! Good one Okaycatt! I guess a lot of us will be in Bashers. I'm so glad I understand now. It has always been a little confusing to me. I have always stayed out of "Love" threads in Fanatics if I don't "Love" the contestant they are talking about and I think I still will. I figure it is O.K. for people to have their delusions. 
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05-02-04, 09:00 PM (EST)
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82. "RE: An argument in favor of topic-based" |
I have to admit that I would be totally confused by the basher/fanatic split, so I'd prefer a topic split. I'll probably still be somewhat confused, but that's a perpetual state for me these days anyway...One note about duplicate threads--I, too, have been reticent to start new threads for fear of being stomped on (I think I've only ever started one thread, and that was when I did something really stupid on the forum and needed help). The truth is, some of us don't have time to read back through thread after thread (or worse, topics within certain threads). I do my best, but I spend most of my day keeping up with a toddler and often only have a few minutes to read and post. This is an entertainment break for me. I guess I probably still won't start new threads, and maybe I shouldn't given my circumstance, but I just wanted to let people know that duplicate posts are probably unintentional most of the time and not everyone can spend all day reading through page after page of threads. Hope that didn't come across as offensive. opinionated
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05-03-04, 10:27 AM (EST)
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84. "RE: AI forum split ... and the "thread police"" |
Please help us do that by "alerting" duplicate posts WITHOUT otherwise commenting on them. Thanks. As the newest sheriff in town, I'd just like to remind people of this important statement. And I'd also like to point out that there's no need to go weeks into the past to play thread police. If someone does something from now on in violation of the guidelines, then hit alert and resist the urge to comment on the forum. Your cooperation is appreciated. I'd also like to remind folks that since the mods decided to split these into General vs. Individual (instead of the Bashers/Fanatics split), that there will still be an intermingling of those who love the show and those who love to mock the show. Please remember the Guidelines as you comment to each other. And to quote the wonderful MST3K theme song: Repeat to yourself, it's just a show, I should really just relax.
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