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"Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head"
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"Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
For the second time, another player-hater takes aim at young Andy. First Pamela and now John, both failed. Pamela and John targeted Andy as an easy kill. Although Pamela survived, John destroyed himself. Andy's Harvard courage surprised them both as he quickly attacked the leader that attempted to undermine his destiny.Both Pamela and John struggled to explain their motives for bringing Andy into the boardroom. Neither had valid, task-based, business reasons, nor did they feel they needed any. Pamela and John had served witness too many times in work places where age prevails over merit. Arrogantly, both thought they could play their hand. Although a strong leader, Pamela's arrogance was key to the whim that defeated her advance. John's arrogance was notably lacking, seeing that John revealed next to nothing as leader. Like Stacy R., Andy twice took the battle straight to the leader, gained the respect of Trump, and courageously survived two, unjustified boardroom attacks. Stupid John is gone.
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17. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
>But what HAS Andy *done*,
>other than graduate from Harvard?
> I think it's more
>about the fact that he
>doesn't seem to be stepping
>up to tasks (which will
>get you fired much later
>in the game..."I've given you
>12 weeks, why haven't you
>done anything?") than he's stepping
>up to things and then
>screwing them up (which will
>get you fired much earlier
>in the game).As far as The Apprentice 2 is concerned: (1) What had John done besides wiggle his tail as a waiter for the gay guys, and (2) What had Wes done? From there, even though Wes was involved in a serious pricing error, why did John give Wes a free pass, but targeted Andy for termination? During the first task when Pamela targeted Andy, wasn't it John, regardless of John's age compared to Andy's, that predicted Andy's dismissal because "there's no way Trump is going to hire someone that young to run one of his companies"?
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18. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
As far as The Apprentice 2 is concerned: (1) What had John done besides wiggle his tail as a waiter for the gay guys, Diddly/squat, and he deserved to be fired. and (2) What had Wes done? There's a "Wes" on this show? From there, even though Wes was involved in a serious pricing error, why did John give Wes a free pass, but targeted Andy for termination? Because he listened to Kelly's advice that he shouldn't take both Kevin AND Wes into the boardroom. And because he was panicky and tried to find someone, anyone, he at least had a shot against...namely Andy. And again, this is probably because other people told him that it might work, and he's too stupid to make his own decision. Which is why he couldn't justify it to Trump. During the first task when Pamela targeted Andy, wasn't it John, regardless of John's age compared to Andy's, that predicted Andy's dismissal because "there's no way Trump is going to hire someone that young to run one of his companies"? Probably. They kind of all look alike to me. But that just means he's ignorant, and not necessarily "ageist". Although I'd say in this case if he meant "inexperienced" young rather than "24" young, he's probably right. Which doesn't make him less of an ignorant moron who deserved to be fired.   
Do I LOOK like a frickin' people person?
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52. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
>Yes, Trump respects a prestigious education
>and knows that sometimes younger
>people take a bit longer
>to feel comfortable enough in
>situations with older, more experienced
>people before they can take
>a leadership role, so I
>think he's given Andy a
>pass, precisely because of what
>you sayAndy has not been given a free pass. Andy is a proven leader. >But what HAS Andy *done*,
>other than graduate from Harvard? Andy has led his team to victory. Raj, Kevin, and Jenn M. all backed a ridiculous military theme that made New York look like a police state. Andy's idea made them look stupid. P.S. What makes you think I have a grudge against N.C. State?
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8. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
"Harvard courage?""Destiny?" Welcome to the boards, Andy's Mom. The little masterdebater hasn't proven himself on a single task. Crustacean Nation, featuring a tiger? Really. 
These reality show contestants need a reality check!
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16. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
"quickly attacked the leader that attempted to undermine his destiny."I may have to go to the video tape to clarify this but when asked by Trump who should get fired, didn't Andy pick someone other than John? Trump asks John "who would you fire?" and John picked Andy. In turn, when asked the same question, Andy picks someone else? This isn't exactly as you described, a quick attack in response by Andy on the leader?  Engineered by Gothmog, 2004
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20. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
There are definitely reasons to fire Andy... because he's a big tool that spent his college years becoming a master debater!! Do you guys know what it's like to be on the debate team? Have you ever been around those people? Can you even begin to comprehend what weirdos they are? It's just not normal. I did debate in high school and competed on the national level (even at Harvard once). I swear on the graves of Lincoln and Douglas, that those sneaky little weasel debaters are EVIL!! Andy can probably talk his way out of a paper bag if he has a podium and a microphone (very similar to the boardroom situations), but most of the debate geeks I knew were almost non-functioning in real life. Did anyone notice that... We only hear Andy speak in the boardroom! He's pretty damn arrogant too. The little nimrod.
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23. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
>For the second time, another player-hater
>takes aim at young Andy.
> First Pamela and now
>John, both failed. Pamela
>and John targeted Andy as
>an easy kill. Although
>Pamela survived, John destroyed himself.
> Andy's Harvard courage surprised
>them both as he quickly
>attacked the leader that attempted
>to undermine his destiny.
>
>Both Pamela and John struggled to
>explain their motives for bringing
>Andy into the boardroom.
>Neither had valid, task-based, business
>reasons, nor did they feel
>they needed any. Pamela
>and John had served witness
>too many times in work
>places where age prevails over
>merit. Arrogantly, both thought
>they could play their hand.
> Although a strong leader,
>Pamela's arrogance was key to
>the whim that defeated her
>advance. John's arrogance was
>notably lacking, seeing that John
>revealed next to nothing as
>leader.
>
>Like Stacy R., Andy twice took
>the battle straight to the
>leader, gained the respect of
>Trump, and courageously survived two,
>unjustified boardroom attacks. Stupid
>John is gone. Pamela, John, Stacy R., and sorry Wes have all tried Andy's Harvard courage. All have failed. Long live Andy. Long live his destiny.
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24. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
BS. Andy's still in solely because Trump happens to like him. I've liked him up to this point as well, thinking the others were unfairly picking on him. But he lost the freaking cell phone. I guarantee you that if Ivana or Sandy had done that, Trump would have had their butts on the sidewalk quicker than you can say 'Playing favorites.'
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10-22-04, 08:30 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
In a military campaign, it wouldn't be up to one soldier. Individual soldiers aren't responsible for communications logistics. Some group would be responsible for securing that for other units.Andy screwed up. Big-time. They apparently had one cell phone, provided by the show, and he lost it. He was lucky that Stacey's mouth finally caught up to her. And it's not like he's particularly qualified to run a division of Trump's organization anyway. One MBA does not a leader make. 
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10-22-04, 01:16 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-22-04 AT 01:20 PM (EST)Yeah, because those stupid dog costumes were all just a red herring. The team really should have invested part of its $1000 seed money in buying more cell phones for themselves! And they should have spent part of their day visiting a store that could sell them a disposable cell phone because that would have been much more important than going to those pet supply stores! Where were their priorities...?! It doesn't matter that the show provided them with a means of communication. It's fine to lose the phone because the team had plenty of time and money to waste! - edited to fix spelling error 
BTW, Andy is invincible and infallible, so how dare anybody suggest otherwise!
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10-22-04, 01:48 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
I can't quote you chapter and verse that candidates are not allowed to use their own cell phones, but the general impression has always been that they are provided with certain resources and not allowed to utilize additional resources unless they purchase them using the money provided for the task.Arguments about whether or not to eat breakfast and lunch have sometimes featured a financial component as well as a time component, suggesting that buying meals also needs to come out of the task budget, again preventing candidates from relying on their own finances/resources. Not being allowed to use business contacts that were not forged as a result of being on the show also suggests that the candidates are limited in which resources they may use. If they were allowed to use their own cell phones, then why isn't everybody carrying around a cell phone all the time? (Even Andy. A smart masterdebater like him should have his own cell phone instead of just relying on the team's phone. Why wasn't he more prepared?) Why were they constantly using those stupid walkie-talkie phones in Season 1? (I thought those were a product placement.) Isn't providing the teams with a cell phone (and not allowing them to use their own cell phones) a means of evening the playing field at the beginning of the task and seeing where they go from there? As for the camera, I don't imagine that it just happened to be sitting on a table at a dog run in a NYC park. I imagine that either the show provided it or, more likely, the team purchased it out of their budget. The team didn't just happen to stumble across a Polaroid in the park.
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10-22-04, 02:11 PM (EST)
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38. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
I don't know if it's spelled out anywhere, but it makes sense. If they let every contestant use their own resources, an extremely rich contestant could just take a few thousand dollars in cash to the show and use it on tasks, and of course that wouldn't be fair.
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10-29-04, 09:44 PM (EST)
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68. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-30-04 AT 02:28 PM (EST)>LAST EDITED ON 10-22-04
>AT 01:20 PM (EST)
>
>Yeah, because those stupid dog costumes
>were all just a red
>herring.
>
>The team really should have invested
>part of its $1000 seed
>money in buying more cell
>phones for themselves! And
>they should have spent part
>of their day visiting a
>store that could sell them
>a disposable cell phone because
>that would have been much
>more important than going to
>those pet supply stores!
>Where were their priorities...?!
>
>It doesn't matter that the show
>provided them with a means
>of communication. It's fine
>to lose the phone because
>the team had plenty of
>time and money to waste!
>
>BTW, Andy is invincible and infallible,
>so how dare anybody suggest
>otherwise! Yeah, Andy really FREAKED OUT when he lost the cell phone. Anyone could plainly see that Andy exhibited ODD BEHAVIOR by losing the cell phone and by the WEIRD way Andy searched through his own bag after the taxi drove away. That damn Andy's a LOOSE CANNON! Ain't he?
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42. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
Hey Andy was trying to pull it out of a sock... yeah he got lint in the end, but at least he tried... which is wayyy more that allot of the group were doing.... BTW-I don't understand why everyone thinks Kelly is such big deal.Hello people listen to me !!! A 'real' apprentice would have said .. 'ok we can utilize the pay phones that are on every block or half block in NYC and call in to the other 1/2 of the team at specific times.... to Andy "You messed up dude- why didn't you run after the cab or ask the dang cab that was sitting here- to call the one with the lost item in it - dummy ... people do it all the time in NYC... my sister has had cabs turn around from a block or two away to return a shopping bag ... Instead he acted like well a butt head, and for that bug head George impersonator... what is up with the military example?? He acted like there was a gap- well aren't our guy/gals supposed to be trained to fill it with quick thinking? The only thought his lofty snarks left me with was- I hope the troops are trained by better than you! To whom ever thinks Kelly is all that well.. -hmm, I wonder... you can be smart letting people show weakness,
but not in letting you lose. I guess I'll be the first to say I'm not that hyped on Kelly, I don't think he is more 'honest' because he is in the military as someone posted - pLe-ase! I live in Sub Base land and no one here is more or less (honest) than anyone else.. So why should Kelly be - hence the lies he told -and was cought for about how many dogs he washed.... like you can forget between 2 and 8 dogs!!...
Lastly I will say-----Go Jenn & Kevin!!!
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44. "Hmm I wonder......" |
well, never mind
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25. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
Andy's "destiny" is to leave whenever there isn't anybody more interesting to fire. I'm sure he is a perfectly pleasant young man, but he doesn't have the wisdom to run for a bus. Oh, excuse me. That should have been run for a limo.
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40. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
Well, with all due respect, most of the above arguments are now moot because even Trump, himself, has seen through Andy's diploma and there is nothing there!It was funny how Donald came right out and said he was once rooting for Andy, but now can't rememebr why! I've no reason to stand by Andy, and he has not given me any. His only redeeeming factor may be that he is not "the worst" player in the game. I think what is really going on here is in the editing of the show. I find it hard to believe that Pam and John (and some others) would base their selection of Andy on his age. That's just unethical. I suspect that living with someone in that situation allows for the forming of a more detailed opinion of somebody than "Gee, he's the youngest - let's get him!" It will be fun to watch as future episodes unfold. Maybe Andy is only there this long because George was around to defend him (and he was not there to save him this week)??? Maybe Trump owes Harvard some past-due pledge dollars??? Maybe Andy can only function well in smaller groups??? Stay tuned..... 
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67. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
>Well, with all due respect, most
>of the above arguments are
>now moot because even Trump,
>himself, has seen through Andy's
>diploma and there is nothing
>there!
>
>It was funny how Donald came
>right out and said he
>was once rooting for Andy,
>but now can't rememebr why!
>
>
>I've no reason to stand by
>Andy, and he has not
>given me any. His
>only redeeeming factor may be
>that he is not "the
>worst" player in the game.
>
>
>I think what is really going
>on here is in the
>editing of the show.
>I find it hard to
>believe that Pam and John
>(and some others) would base
>their selection of Andy on
>his age. That's just
>unethical. I suspect that
>living with someone in that
>situation allows for the forming
>of a more detailed opinion
>of somebody than "Gee, he's
>the youngest - let's get
>him!"
>
>It will be fun to watch
>as future episodes unfold.
>Maybe Andy is only there
>this long because George was
>around to defend him (and
>he was not there to
>save him this week)???
>Maybe Trump owes Harvard some
>past-due pledge dollars??? Maybe
>Andy can only function well
>in smaller groups???
>Stay tuned..... Maybe Andy's there because he can dismiss Maria's bull----. Maybe Andy's there because he can put a choke hold on Kelly's mouth. Maybe Andy's there because he can lead his team to victory, something that Pam, Chris, John, and Wes were too stupid to do.
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10-29-04, 10:40 PM (EST)
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69. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
Chris did lead his team to victory. Sorry, I just couldn't resist the nitpick. ;)
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45. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
If I were in a position to hire an apprentice to run one of my companies, then there would be several factors that I would consider when culling the herd Age alone isn't enough of a reason to eliminate someone, however age usually does help to determine how much experience and education a person has under his or her belt. I'll comment on a few from the list...Andy - 22, looks 16, just doesn't have enough business world experience, and Harvard is just another university, just more famous than the others Stacy R - 26, looks 12, people wouldn't respect her as a leader, regardless of how stereotypical it would be to do so Kelly - 37, closing in on middle-age which begs the question, a middle-aged apprentice? he has an excellent career already and doesn't need this and likely wouldn't learn much either since he is already the president of a company From the entire group, I don't know who I would hire, but likely someone in the 28-32 age range with a solid education, successful experience, common sense, the ability to think on their feet and not be out to steal the spotlight from me at every opportunity I'm still wondering if anyone fits that profile from this season!
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48. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
"and not be out to steal the spotlight from me at every opportunity  I'm still wondering if anyone fits that profile from this season!"Isn't that what a CEO does? Steal the spotlight? Take credit for your ideas? Although, Carolyn complained that they aren't there to hand out project manager positions, so just how does she define Apprentice vs CEO vs project manager? I mean, even the 'applicants' or err, ummm is to 'contestant' get handed a so-called 'project manager' or err, umm 'sort-of CEO' or err, umm 'Publicity boy toy', oh gosh oh golly, ummm, so confused.. ummmm.. position because they certainly don't act like a supporting cast member.... so Carolyn... I just don't know what you want, but could you just shut up for one moment Carolion?
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49. "RE: Wolf Pack Heightism Eliminated Stacey R." |
LAST EDITED ON 10-24-04 AT 06:07 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 10-24-04 AT 06:05 PM (EST) >Like Stacy R., Andy twice took
>the battle straight to the
>leader, gained the respect of
>Trump, and courageously survived two,
>unjustified boardroom attacks. Stupid
>John is gone. Stacy R.'s boardroom fighting style was better than Andy's, but she was eliminated anyway. Stacy R. did not appear any more weak than Andy or Sandy. Maria's win as leader is the only thing that gave Maria an advantage over Stacey R. Stacey R. may not have been a favorite, but it was not her time to go. Stacey R. was obviously eliminated by wolf pack heightism. Stacy R. handled herself beautifully during her interview with Katie Couric: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6002604/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6090404/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6242349/ Stacy R. also has a dynamite website where she looks more like a model than Stacey J.: http://www.stacyrotner.com
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50. "RE: Wolf Pack Heightism Eliminated Stacey R." |
Stacy R.'s boardroom fighting style was better than Andy's, but she was eliminated anyway. I disagree with your assessment here. I think Andy's strength was knowing when to keep his mouth shut. I think he showed great restraint in not jumping in at every negative remark directed at him, and I think Trump respects that. Stacy's problem was that she never took any accountability for the task failure. Everything was someone else's fault, never partly hers. Wes even acknowledged during the boardroom that he would have done some things differently in retrospect. I think Trump appreciates a candid assessment of shortcomings in the boardroom. After all, if the task went smoothly without problems, why are they there?
Stacy R. handled herself beautifully during her interview with Katie Couric:
Agree that under the circumstances, I think she handled herself well. I don't understand the basis behind having Katie ask her about being single, but I suppose I have to give her credit for her chutzpah.
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51. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-29-04 AT 01:21 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 10-29-04 AT 01:14 AM (EST) As young Andy faces the boardroom for the third time, the wolf pack calculates his downfall. For no rhyme, for no reason, but only his age. As the wolf pack eagerly awaits the young contender's humiliation, the survivors step into the arena. To their surprise, as they dined, the Harvard phoenix rises from beneath the ashes. They drop their heads in embarrassment and disgust. Their facial expressions emphasize their disappointment. Age equals ability, the number one weapon they had depended on for years to solidify their job security, had been discredited as the lie it is. But, the wolf pack is still hopeful. There is still a chance to destroy him. For it was young Andy's turn to lead. Surely he'd fail and prove them right. Maria was the first to attack. She flaunted her experience in marketing, advertising, and sales. Obviously, there was no way young Andy could do what she could do. Andy's Harvard courage quickly dismissed Maria's dissent for the unnecessary distraction it was, then raced towards his vision, his goal, his destiny. Nothing would stop him, but another would try.
Kelly tries his hand. Kelly attempts to commandeer the presentation by playing Andy as just some punk kid. Unlike Chris, unlike John, Kelly is tamed down by young Andy's Ivy League ice-pick, and Kelly learns his place. It was Andy's confidence, Andy's idea, and Andy's leadership that brought them this far. Andy's strength would lead them to victory. Long live Andy. Long live his destiny.
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55. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
You realize that you're setting yourself up to be laughed off the board when Andy is finally fired, right?
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57. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
I'm aware that Andy will most likely be fired eventually, but a lot of you are giving him less credit than he deserves. Did he not lead his team to victory? Did he not do it without letting Maria and Kelly push him around?
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86. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
Yes.
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71. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-13-04 AT 07:28 AM (EST)Raj, the king of bowties, was one of the main characters fronting on Andy when stupid John was project manager. Raj justified his bull---- about Andy by referencing Andy's overall performance on all tasks. Obviously, Andy never made any really stupid mistakes, like turning a four-bedroom house into a three-bedroom house, like a fool. Considering Raj's military theme advertisement and his kicking down that bedroom wall, it appears Raj was on some kind of macho trip and nothing more than an intellectual backseat driver. Raj is a smooth talker, but hey, where's the beef? Long live Andy. Long live his destiny.
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72. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
Yes, RealityX, you're quite right that last night's episode was poorly edited by the production crew. They hardly showed Andy at all, which was completely inappropriate since we know that the only reason that Andy's team won and the other team lost was because Andy was on it and nobody else could be nearly as smart as Andy. Why did they show us that one house had a finished bathroom and the other house had a big mess in the bathroom?! That wasn't important! The important part was that ANDY worked on the house that won. Why did they all make a big deal about Kevin choosing the contractor for his team? It would have been sufficient to just show us that Andy played a pivotal role in choosing the contractor for his team. Yes, I realize that they never even hinted that Andy had anything to do with the contractor, but it's so obvious that nobody on his team could make a (good) decision without Andy there - and since the choice of contractor turned out to be a good one then it obviously must have been Andy's decision. How dare the producers shortchange the American viewing public this way by not showing every last thing that Andy does for each task. How can we fully appreciate Andy's destiny if the production crew doesn't show us more of Andy? There should be a camera there to record every time Andy makes a phone call, Andy signs a business document, Andy does research, Andy does anything! There should even be a camera recording every time that Andy farts! It must smell so sweet that his team is inspired to strive for victory to help Andy meet his destiny! I'm glad that you're here, RealityX, to help us keep the whole show in perspective or else many of us would have thought that last night's show didn't somehow revolve around Andy and his destiny.
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11-19-04, 08:23 PM (EST)
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79. "RE: TA-DA!!!" |
>That would make Sandy "Lady Luck,"
>right? Cuz she was
>the one who actually knew
>something about this Honda vs.
>Ferrari, er, I mean bridal
>business...
>
>But Andy did do a good
>job pouting this week when
>the team wouldn't just hand
>him the PM job. Yeah, Andy really FREAKED OUT something WEIRD with that Honda/Ferrari thing. Andy's exhibition of ODD POUTING BEHAVIOR speaks for itself and pinpoints this GEEK as the LOOSE CANNON he is. SHIP THIS KID BACK TO SESAME STREET!!! >BTW, you're welcome, RealityX... Thanks!
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78. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-25-04 AT 06:51 PM (EST)The young Harvard warrior continues to shine. Young Andy's pathetic project manager Wes and his worthless teammate Maria finally bite the dust. Maria flaunted her marketing expertise, strutted her stuff, then strong-armed control of the Levi's catalog project out of Wes's frail hands. Sandy sat on the bench bickering about getting no game time, but offered no jump shots of her own, while Maria terrorized the photo shoot models with her kamikaze, wicked-witch leadership style, accepting input from no one. Young Andy urged Wes to tame Marias aggression, but Wes was too limp to command Maria's respect, wear her down, and stroke some sense into her. Without conscience, Maria kicked Sandy out of the catalog room, which had Sandy tattle tailing to Wes. Wes was too lame to intervene. Wisely observing a disaster in the making, young Andy offers additional Ivy League innovation: Conduct the final presentation in Levi's or business suits. Needless to say, his entire pathetic team dismissed his plan. Confronted by an attacking boardroom billionaire for not speaking up enough, young Andy cited the unnecessary, nonproductive, incessant talking among his "mature" teammates, then brilliantly distinguished between knowing when to talk and knowing when to listen. Trump could only reply, "Good answer." Wes's impotent leadership style and Maria's crybaby temper tantrums are equally noteworthy. Hopefully, someday young Andy will learn that the high-level contributions offered by Wes and Maria "come with experience". Long live Andy. Long live his destiny.
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80. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
I am continually amazed at how undervalued Andy is by the others. They just can't get past the age thing. Andy is very creative! I was surprised when, after firing Wes & Maria, Trump said that "Andy needs to step up." HE HAS! REPEATEDLY! Carolyn agreed with DT. Has she been asleep? Granted, Andy has said some goofy stuff, and losing the phone was boneheaded. He is inexperienced in some ways, and because of that, I don't think he will ultimately win. I hope he makes the final four and does the interviews. He should be hired by Trump in another capacity, as an idea man, or apprentice to someone lower on the toem pole. He's definitely good, he just needs more experience dealing with major players.
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82. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-26-04 AT 00:47 AM (EST)The young Harvard dragon has been slain. His destiny destroyed. The Pepsi challenge takes away his edge. Jennifer M. acknowledged that Andy's managerial performance was solid and Sandy should be fired. Sandy claimed that Jennifer M. should be fired as the worst performer during the task and for flying under the radar, while Sandy takes risks. Somehow, Andy takes the fall. Sandy started the task by manipulatively painting Andy as immature and inexperienced, while Sandy offers a ridiculous bottle design. Both Andy and Jennifer reject the bottle design and move to Andy's design. Andy offers the design team cash incentives to boost morale, Sandy gripes. Andy offers a pizza party as a reward for finishing the job, Sandy gripes. The condescending smiles on the Pepsi executives faces were obvious reactions to Andy's age, but Andy still delivers a great presentation. Then, Sandy's pathetic, choppy, worthless speaking "skills" totally confuse the executives. Andy's idea was the best idea from his team, but Andy's idea was not selected. Kelly's idea was excellent and more practical. Andy allies with Jennifer M. seemingly guaranteeing Sandy's destruction, two Harvard warriors versus an uneducated maverick. Surprisingly, Sandy fights both Andy and Jennifer M. like the devil himself and impresses George and the rest of the management. Even Trump acknowledged that entering the boardroom, Sandy was a goner, but Sandy's emotional blitz on the Harvard warriors spares her life. Crying and frantic fighting in the boardroom wins out over a proven track record of relatively better performance. As Stacey J. discovered, regardless of one's background, strength, and relative performance, the ugly-ism of the wolf pack is a formidable enemy. Andy is dead. The wolf pack lives on.
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87. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
Agreed. It was all about the ratings.
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88. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
>LAST EDITED ON 11-26-04
>AT 00:47 AM (EST)
"Jennifer M. acknowledged that Andy's managerial
performance was solid and Sandy
should be fired. Sandy
claimed that Jennifer M. should
be fired as the worst
performer during the task and
for flying under the radar,
while Sandy takes risks.
Somehow, Andy takes the fall."
Andy was fired because it was his idea for that ridiculous bottle. It was a terrible idea.
"Sandy started the task by manipulatively
painting Andy as immature and
inexperienced"
I saw no such thing - they were getting along great until they lost. " Andy offers
>the design team cash incentives
>to boost morale, Sandy gripes.
> Andy offers a pizza
>party as a reward for
>finishing the job, Sandy gripes." Andy looked like an idiot handing out that cash. It was unprofessional and insulting. Take a look at Carolyn's face when he does it.
" The condescending smiles on
>the Pepsi executives faces were
>obvious reactions to Andy's age,
>but Andy still delivers a
>great presentation." The looks on their faces were because they brought in a bottle that looked like a mistake from Pottery Barn not his age - they had no idea of his age or experience. Really, this is a stretch.
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89. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-26-04 AT 12:19 PM (EST)>"Jennifer M. acknowledged that Andy's managerial
>
>performance was solid and Sandy
>should be fired. Sandy
>claimed that Jennifer M. should
>be fired as the worst
>performer during the task and
>for flying under the radar,
>while Sandy takes risks.
>Somehow, Andy takes the fall."
>
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>Andy was fired because it was
>his idea for that ridiculous
>bottle. It was a terrible
>idea. Perhaps.... but the idea got a free pass from Harvard's experienced Jennifer M. and a "mature" business owner, Sandy. Explain. >"Sandy started the task by manipulatively
>
>painting Andy as immature and
>inexperienced"
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>I saw no such thing -
>they were getting along great
>until they lost. If somebody didn't hear Sandy use the words immature and inexperienced prior to the boardroom and during the boardroom, then we would suggest removing their ear plugs while watching the show. >" Andy offers
>>the design team cash incentives
>>to boost morale, Sandy gripes.
>> Andy offers a pizza
>>party as a reward for
>>finishing the job, Sandy gripes."
>
>Andy looked like an idiot handing
>out that cash. It was
>unprofessional and insulting. Take a
>look at Carolyn's face when
>he does it. Perhaps.... but what kind of motivation did Jennifer M. and Sandy offer? >
>" The condescending smiles on
>>the Pepsi executives faces were
>>obvious reactions to Andy's age,
>>but Andy still delivers a
>>great presentation."
>
>The looks on their faces were
>because they brought in a
>bottle that looked like a
>mistake from Pottery Barn not
>his age - they had
>no idea of his age
>or experience. Really, this is
>a stretch. Perhaps.... but Jennifer M. also selected the idea over Sandy's idea. The idea was RELATIVELY better than anything else they had. The firing should have reflected relative performance. No?
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11-26-04, 12:28 PM (EST)
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91. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
>LAST EDITED ON 11-26-04
>AT 12:02 PM (EST) Andy was fired because it was
his idea for that ridiculous
bottle. It was a terrible
idea. Perhaps.... but the idea got a
free pass from Harvard's experienced
Jennifer M. and a "mature"
business owner, Sandy. Explain. none of the three get a free pass from me - one of them should have realized that bottle was a disaster. But the "best of both worlds" theme came from Andy and that is the base they were working from. He was project manager and he was ultimately responsible for what was presented. If somebody didn't hear Sandy use
the words immature and inexperienced
prior to the boardroom and
during the boardroom, then we
would suggest removing their ear
plugs while watching the show. My ears work just fine thank you.
Perhaps.... but what kind of motivation
did Jennifer M. and Sandy
offer.
The motivation should have been bringing them a good idea the team could work with. These are professional people who should not have been condescended to by tipping them like they were dancers in a strip joint. Perhaps.... but Jennifer M. also selected
Andy's idea over Sandy's idea.
Andy's idea was RELATIVELY
better than those of his
teammates. The firing should
have reflected relative performance.
No? No - they are judged on what they ultimately present not on the basis of what ideas they had in their brainstorming session. Trump would have no way of knowing what other ideas came up. By that logic Elizabeth and Kevin came up with a better idea for the Police video than what was ultimately presented and Elizabeth should not have been fired.
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90. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
Andy was fired because it was his idea for that ridiculous bottle. It was a terrible idea.Jenn came up with the "bulbous" top & bottom of the bottle, not Andy, although he as PM did approve it. The worst Andy did was pay off the design team with cash & withhold their food. IMO... Jenn should be out on her arse! Even DT is wondering why she can cast her spell on each PM to let her slide by each week.
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11-26-04, 12:43 PM (EST)
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92. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
Andy admitted the bottle was his idea in the boardroom. The idea sprang from his "best of both worlds" theme (which in itself is a poor idea - are there really so many people wishing there was something between Diet and Regular?) and as you say, Andy was the PM and approved it. When Elizabeth approved Raj lousy idea for a military themed video she was fired - why shouldn't Andy be held to the same standard?
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93. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
Elizabeth's situation is different. All her team members and also Carolyn stated very clearly that she's a very bad leader. Even DT agreed to that. She was fired because she's a terrible leader, and not because she approved a bad idea.
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94. "RE: Wolf Pack Ageism Raises Its Ugly Head" |
Actually, it was Sandy who got them started on the globe thing--she wanted a spherical bottle. The geography was her idea too, and contrary to her assertions in the boardroom, Pepsi hated the label because you couldn't see the product. Sandy lied screaming, and Andy didn't have the stones to stand up to her. They both deserved firing, but the Donald couldn't fire two again. And he's previously shown a disposition to fire people who don't stand up for themselves. In my opinion, Jenn is the only one left who should be working for Trump. I'll be stunned if she doesn't get through to the final two. All of the other remaining candidates range from bipolar (Kelly, who swings between insipid and overbearing) to stupid and evil (Kevin, Sandy, Ivana). And please remember that this assessment is coming from someone who has labelled Jenn with some relatively cruel tags during the season. I still don't like her, but she's the only one left who deserves the job.
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