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"S20E07 Title - I'm Not a Good Villain"
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03-24-10, 07:55 AM (EST)
 
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"S20E07 Title - I'm Not a Good Villain" |
Courtesy Volcanic Glass @ SucksSounds like another Coach quote. He is still wondering how he got put on the Villains tribe and won't stop bleating about his honorable game play. 
Bad girls have all the fun 
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03-24-10, 12:27 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: S20E07 Title - I'm Not a Good Villain" |
Or what about Jerri?
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03-24-10, 02:11 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: S20E07 Title - I'm Not a Good Villain" |
I think Danielle got 2 votes but Aras got the rest of the votes for the $1 million.
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03-25-10, 06:34 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: S20E07 Title - I'm Not a Good Villain" |
REELING FROM A SHOCKING TRIBAL COUNCIL, THE VILLAINS SEEK TO REGROUP BUT WITH TWO SOLID ALLIANCES OF THREE PITTED AGAINST EACH OTHER. ONE LUCKY PAIR FINDS THE FATE OF THE TRIBE IN THEIR HANDS, ON "SURVIVOR: HEROES VS. VILLAINS""I'm Not A Good Villain" - Hurt and betrayed by a close ally, one castaway learns the hard way that loyalty isn't always easy, and one powerhouse learns from experience that old grudges die hard, Boy, they're not even trying to hide that Villains go to TC. They want to promote the heavyweight battle between Rob and Russell. Alliances of three:
Rob/Sandra/Courtney
Russell/Parvati/Danielle
"Lucky" pair = Coach and Jerri, who I would spec appear in the next part of the press release: "Hurt and betrayed by a close ally, one castaway learns the hard way that loyalty isn't always easy" - Coach gives the title quote and faces a crisis of loyalty to both Rob and Russell. According to spoilers, he does Rob in by refusing to write down Russell's name -- nor does he help Russell. This leaves a 3-3-1 situation with Jerri as the swing vote.
"one powerhouse learns from experience that old grudges die hard" Boston Rob, the powerhouse in this game, gets taken out by Jerri, who has plenty of reason to hold a grudge over what happened to her friends Lex and Kathy, and herself, in Season 8. First Rob got Jerri voted out with his bogus promise to help the other Mogo Mogo if they kept Amber. Then he went back on the promise. Now it's Jerri's turn to embrace her inner villainess. No one else on Villains has previously played with Rob, so no one else has an old grudge against him. I'll go out on a limb and guess that Coach votes Parvati again. 
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03-25-10, 09:44 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: S20E07 Title - I'm Not a Good Villain" |
from Tyson's RTVW interview:
__________Tyson Apostol: Oh yes. He would have definitely gotten those three votes and I know Jerri wanted him out of the game but I had convinced her that we needed to get rid of the Russell/Parvati alliance before we got rid of Rob. So I was kind of the glue that held all six together. Because Coach and Jerri were kind of like "in betweeners." They were both talking with Russell and they were both talking with me. But I convinced them well enough that they should come with me for the time being and then we could go against Rob in the future if we needed to.
______________ Tyson's self-importance is inflated, but if there's anything to his opinion, the glue is gone now and Jerri and Coach are floating. It may be that Rob is simply too arrogant and pushy in his case for why Russell has to go. Rob is the dominant challenge hog, and at Ep 7 it's getting time to let him go or deal with keeping him. Given the poor performance of the Heroes, Jerri probably thinks they may not be back at TC again before the merge. She may have been right if they kept Rob, but by dumping Rob, the Villains team gets a whole lot weaker. Sandra and Courtney are utterly worthless in challenges and can't sit out twice. All the remaining Heroes are good. Rob is the puzzle god. Stupid to dump him but he is to be feared.
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03-26-10, 12:07 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: S20E07 Title - I'm Not a Good Villain" |
I posted a link to a video interview with Colby and Jerri in one of the threads a few weeks ago. It was a short interview while they were sitting in an office at TV Guide. Their body chemistry seemed to indicate that they let by-gones be by-gones and were good friends now. Jerri hinted that since he got her the first time and she got him the second time, that perhaps they work together this time.
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03-26-10, 01:51 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: S20E07 Title - I'm Not a Good Villain" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-26-10 AT 01:54 PM (EST)why would Russell want anything to do with someone so "wishy washy"? Russhell won't after he uses him this week, he does get Jerri and in a round about way he gets Coach out of Rob's a$$ so that he or Parvati don't go next week Russhell will have a 4/3 majority and that's all she wrote til the merge anyway eta then Jerri recruits Colby the outsider....and they have a 6/4 majority at merge bc by that time Sandra will have figured out she had to team up with Russhell, probably as soon as F12
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03-26-10, 03:05 PM (EST)
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19. "Unresolved Confessionals?" |
>Alliances of three:
>Rob/Sandra/Courtney
>Russell/Parvati/Danielle
>"Lucky" pair = Coach and Jerri, OFG, your logic makes perfect sense, but I'm still wondering if this isn't the week when some of the unresolved confessionals from earlier episodes resolve themselves. As the theory goes, it’s the unresolved confessionals that lead us to the hidden alliances and critical turning points
in the game: Sandra “Last time I was mean
and this time I’m meaner;
you know I’ll lie, I
don’t care but I make
up a good lie” Sandra “The person that I think
I’m most like is Rob…
seeing Rob here, it reminds
me of when he played
the first time. I loved
him….” and “That’s someone I
can see myself aligning with
until it’s time to cut
his throat”. Rob “If these people were smart,
they’d get rid of me
right away, it’s the smartest
thing they could do but
they won’t, they never do.”
The Unresolved Confessionals often contain the answers
to how the story will unfold… I'll be curious to see if Sandra makes her move next week.
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03-26-10, 06:36 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Unresolved Confessionals?" |
well, the problem with using Sandra's confessional that I see is I think the editors were looking for soundbytes to show Sandras is a bada*s. As the Villains lose personnel, Russell's untouched group of 3 gets closer to having some power, same as in Samoa. Same game, chip away at the numbers while keeping his core alliance intact by any means necessary.Sandra really dislikes Russell, so she is not going to ally with him. Per spoilers, she won't have a chance to cut Rob's throat because Russell will make it happen while Sandra's still firmly with Rob. Sandra will be alone when the merge comes, so she may continue to play her same old "as long as it's not me" game. (Not a Sandra fan.) Re Rob's unresolved confessional, Ep 7 will be the point where he finds out that a few people ARE smart enough to get rid of him before the merge. Since I wrote the post above, a new spoiler came out on Sucks saying that Coach will throw his vote at Courtney, not Parv. There has been a spoiler for a long time that Coach goes after Rob for the reason PhillyBrat mentions, that he failed to take sides. The new spoiler says that it's the women who don't want Coach around, because he's been voting against girls. The new spoiler states that Russell's power arc sort of ends with the BR takedown and Parvati emerges ... we'll see. Different sources, from different players, can perceive how the game was run differently. This new person, blackwhale, may be leaking from production, or from a player. Whatever, he/she hasn't been 100%.
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03-30-10, 02:27 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Unresolved Confessionals?" |
Agree with OFG that Jerri is the one with the grudge against Rob and will be the deciding factor this week. Going back to the Insider Clips from Ep. 4, I recall wondering why CBS didn't show such a juicy clip of Jerri complaining about Rob. Now it makes sense -- they were saving Jerri's true feelings about Rob for dramatic value this week. Here's part of my original post from the Insider Clips thread:- Jerri says she is disgusted by Rob and how he tries to control the team. She's mad that he won't let anyone look for the HII. She doesn't trust him at all and doesn't understand why people are listening to him. She says "he's not the dad here" - which sounds like similar comments that Russell says. (My gut is telling me that if Russell picks up on Jerri's hate for Rob and can woo her over, that'll be the key to bringing down Rob.) Also, in terms of Jerri's motivation to go with the Russell/Parv alliance despite the fact that she clearly hates Parv and Danielle, I found Jerri's voting comment from the Insider Clips this past week very interesting: Jerri (votes Parvati): "There is no perceived alliance, there is an actual alliance that you admitted today to me that you could help me be a part of on the other side. If you had come to me earlier on in the game, I might have considered it but in this day of desperation on the day before I'm about ready to make this vote, didn't really fly with me." Perhaps now that Jerri's seen the Heroes TC and has time to consider Parv's "offer" more closely, she realizes she's #5 or #6 at best with Rob's alliance and can do better with Russell and Parv. Perhaps with James gone, Jerri will feel more secure in joining up with Russell and Parv in a mainly women's alliance.
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03-30-10, 04:11 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: Unresolved Confessionals?" |
OFG and Squid: Great analysisCan't argue with either of you. All the information points to Jerri as the flipper who does Rob in. As you point out, it also helps explain how Jerri gets so far in the game. A rat on a sinking ship, she jumps first to secure her spot on the other alliance, before others can. Good move on her part. As OFG points out, Sandra's unresolved confessionals appear to have been just "sound bites" used to reinforce her villan character, early on in the show. The "unresolved confessionals" are a still a useful spoiling tool, but must be used in context of the other information available. This season we have seen that the "Insider Clips" and "Jeff's blog" are great sources of spoiling information less sanitized than the show itself While it's still unclear how Sandra gets to the end, it appears that she may simply ride the coattails of the other villians forced to make tough decisions and burn a few too many bridges along the way. Sandra may suceed by default.
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03-30-10, 08:47 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: Unresolved Confessionals?" |
I agree, the Insider Clips and Jeff's blog have been very telling this season. In fact, I've been surprised how much Jeff has seemingly given away in his blog.It will be interesting to see how Sandra makes her way through this to the end game. In many ways, though, it is a similar situation to her original season, when she was in what she thought was the "power" majority alliance with Rupert, only to have the rug pulled out from under her when Rupert was blindsided. She had to overcome the odds that season and perhaps this season as well. In the editing thread, Veruca Salt has talked about how Rob has been clearly set up as the hero/golden boy this season, and how the person(s) who votes him out will likely be tarnished. Likewise, whoever remains from Rob's alliance might become his proxy (in terms of the audience rooting for him or her) and get the underdog/halo edit -- this could very well end up being Sandra.
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03-31-10, 07:26 AM (EST)
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25. "RE: Unresolved Confessionals?" |
I agree with all of the analysis that has been discussed with this thread. I am really really enjoying this season.I add this thought as well.. The Villans saw that Colby is on the outs of the Heroes tribe. When they see that he IS back in the game. Would it be wise for Russel/Parv think to grab Jerri on their side JUST IN CASE they need her past connections with Colby to help gain whatever numbers are available? Kraut, My theory on how Sandra gets to the end could revolve around Jerri. (I remember seeing something that one of the two posted on the other's facebook/myspace page. And I remember that the comment was something positive. If I had time I would have gone and looked for that thread but I know it existed.) In any case, If Jerri does jump ship and is on Team REALLY Evil, I can see later that Jerri would rather want to keep someone like Sandra in the game rather then Danielle. (Going with the older season stick together theory) If Russel or Parv want to keep any control over their game I would bet they are willing to let 1 person go (Danielle) over a potental 2 (Jerri and Sandra to move to Rupert and Colby) and lose their game. Jerri and Sandra would remain loyal to the villans and thus how they get where they got.
Purely speculation. But it has SOME logic.
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03-31-10, 08:20 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Unresolved Confessionals?" |
I think Sandra will get to the end by virtue of what Jeff pointed out as her strong suit. Anyone but ME. She is not regarded a threat. Her allies will be gone. There will be bigger fish to fry.In addition, she is a prior winner, so is a desirable Fe goat. Parvati will protect her for that reason. Russell will think the same way he did in S19 when he ditched Jaison. He defines "game" by big bold moves, and Sandra won't have made any. He will think that Jerri has a good shot with the jury, so he will ditch his ally for Sandra, thus losing Jerri's vote. In the end, enough people will be bitter at Russell and Parvati that they will vote for Sandra because she made it to the end without allies. As for the prior winner thing, Parvati nullifies it and no one likes Russell, so it doesn't matter. I don't expect ANY strategic game out of Sandra other than playing UTR. I will be pleasantly surprised at anything she does. I do think she is good at pointing out other people and putting targets on them, and that is a good skill.
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