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SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-13-09, 03:48 AM (EST) "Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" Here's the transcript, courtesy of Survivor Fever: Jeff Probst: Next time on Survivor...it's a showdown between Russell and Laura. Laura: It's only a matter of time, Russ. Russell <in confessional> : I'm 10 times smarter than she could ever be. Jeff Probst: And finding the next idol means everything. Dave: Their moving. (Russell and Jaison shown walking through jungle) Laura: Go get 'em. Let's follow them. Russell: <starts running> : Come on Dave! Laura: We need to get that immunity idol out of Russell's hands.   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... vince3 11-13-09 1    RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... michel 11-13-09 4        RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... CTgirl 11-15-09 59  RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... SquidProQuo 11-13-09 2    RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... SquidProQuo 11-13-09 3    RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... dabo 11-13-09 6        bump dabo 11-13-09 7            RE: bump dabo 11-13-09 8                RE: bump dabo 11-13-09 9                    RE: bump dabo 11-13-09 10                        RE: bump dabo 11-13-09 11                            RE: bump dabo 11-13-09 12                                RE: bump dabo 11-13-09 13                                    RE: bump dabo 11-13-09 14                                        RE: bump dabo 11-13-09 15                                            RE: bump dabo 11-13-09 16                                                RE: bump dabo 11-13-09 17                                                    RE: bump dabo 11-13-09 18                                                        RE: bump dabo 11-13-09 19                                                            RE: bump dabo 11-13-09 20                                                                Flame On! dabo 11-13-09 21                                                                    RE: Flame On! Prof_ Wagstaff 11-14-09 36  RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... dabo 11-13-09 5    RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... SquidProQuo 11-13-09 22        RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... dabo 11-13-09 23  RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... SquidProQuo 11-13-09 24    RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... goldenmike4393 11-16-09 78  RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... Outfrontgirl 11-13-09 25    RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... SquidProQuo 11-13-09 26        RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... Outfrontgirl 11-14-09 27  Full web promo vidcaps SquidProQuo 11-14-09 28    RE: Full web promo vidcaps SquidProQuo 11-14-09 29        RE: Full web promo vidcaps vince3 11-14-09 30        RE: Full web promo vidcaps vince3 11-14-09 31            RE: Full web promo vidcaps SquidProQuo 11-14-09 41    RE: Full web promo vidcaps Flowerpower 11-14-09 32        RE: Full web promo vidcaps vince3 11-14-09 33        RE: Full web promo vidcaps michel 11-14-09 34            RE: Full web promo vidcaps vince3 11-14-09 35                RE: Full web promo vidcaps SquidProQuo 11-14-09 37                    RE: Full web promo vidcaps michel 11-14-09 39                        RE: Full web promo vidcaps SquidProQuo 11-14-09 42                        RE: Full web promo vidcaps SquidProQuo 11-14-09 43                        RE: Full web promo vidcaps vince3 11-14-09 44                            RE: Full web promo vidcaps SquidProQuo 11-14-09 45                                RE: Full web promo vidcaps michel 11-14-09 47                                    RE: Full web promo vidcaps SquidProQuo 11-14-09 49                RE: Full web promo vidcaps SquidProQuo 11-14-09 40        RE: Full web promo vidcaps SquidProQuo 11-14-09 38            RE: Full web promo vidcaps PepeLePew13 11-14-09 46            RE: Full web promo vidcaps michel 11-14-09 48                RE: Full web promo vidcaps Flowerpower 11-15-09 57  Tie-Breaking Rules SquidProQuo 11-15-09 50    RE: Tie-Breaking Rules vince3 11-15-09 51        RE: Tie-Breaking Rules SquidProQuo 11-15-09 52            RE: Tie-Breaking Rules michel 11-15-09 54    RE: Tie-Breaking Rules Georjanna 11-15-09 55        RE: Tie-Breaking Rules Georjanna 11-15-09 56            RE: Tie-Breaking Rules SquidProQuo 11-15-09 58        RE: Tie-Breaking Rules Outfrontgirl 11-19-09 80  RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... SquidProQuo 11-15-09 53    RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... chaoswva 11-15-09 60        RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... SquidProQuo 11-15-09 62            RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... chaoswva 11-15-09 65                RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... SquidProQuo 11-15-09 68                RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... yucca 11-17-09 79            RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... michel 11-15-09 66  RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... CTgirl 11-15-09 61    RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... SquidProQuo 11-15-09 63        RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... SquidProQuo 11-15-09 64    RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... kingfish 11-15-09 67        RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... rachelOH63 11-15-09 69            RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... SquidProQuo 11-15-09 70                RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... rachelOH63 11-15-09 71                    RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... SquidProQuo 11-15-09 72                        RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... byoffer 11-16-09 73                            Agree dabo 11-16-09 74                            RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... SquidProQuo 11-16-09 75  RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... SquidProQuo 11-16-09 76  RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckon... goldenmike4393 11-16-09 77

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vince3 17341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 03:59 AM (EST) 1. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" If RussHell has now recruited Dave, with Shambo probably in his back pocket, ready to strike whenever Laura's vulnerable....... his side would be up 6-4: RussHell, Jaison, Mick, Natalie, Dave, and Shambo vs. Laura, Monica, John, and Brett......... Which means it's uber important to Laura's crew to find the next HII...........especially if one of them can also win the IC as well....... that would mean only 3 possibilities to pass the idol between, which makes it harder for the others to miss...... especially since they currently don't have enough numbers to successfully Plan Voodoo an HII out.....   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 08:48 AM (EST) 4. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" Like Jaison's "It's got to be Russell" we have to be careful of taking clips out of context. Here, Russell could simply be mocking Dave: Imagine Dave has followed him all day under Laura's orders. He's tired of all the running around but Russell still has another place to check. He could turn to Dave and say "Come on Dave" just for laughs.   Top

CTgirl 8013 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-15-09, 01:21 PM (EST) 59. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" Kind of like Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills Cop!   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-13-09, 04:10 AM (EST) 2. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" Vidcaps thanks to Survivor Fever: (More cont. in next post)   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-13-09, 04:27 AM (EST) 3. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" I'm not sure if where I left off above is the last vidcap, or if the server went down, but for whatever reason I can't open up any more caps. That may be it but maybe someone else can try again in the morning. Vince: I didn't see the actual video on this yet, but from what I can tell, Dave is still with Laura/Galu....he's trying to follow Jaison and RussHell into the trees because they don't want them to go off on their own and find the HII. RussHell is playing cat and mouse with Dave . So, can lightening strike 3 times for RussHell? Gotta love the symbolism of RussHell's face transposed over the blow hole! Funny how just about everyone is looking for it this time.....will they hide it in an obvious spot again???   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 12:21 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" Dunno what is going on with these vidcaps, they are taking forever to load, thumbnails are all red x's. Whatever the problem is, Fever has to fix it. I'm going to bump this thread to flaming so peeps can use this thread without having to view all, all the following bump posts can be ignored. http://www.survivorfever.net/vc_s19_ep10_11_12.html That's the link to the thumnails page, if you link to it and get a lot of x's the problem hasn't been fixed. Next image (I think) #43: the remaining images are probably negligeable.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 12:21 PM (EST) 7. "bump"   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 12:21 PM (EST) 8. "RE: bump"   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 12:22 PM (EST) 9. "RE: bump"   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 12:22 PM (EST) 10. "RE: bump"   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 12:22 PM (EST) 11. "RE: bump"   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 12:23 PM (EST) 12. "RE: bump"   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 12:23 PM (EST) 13. "RE: bump"   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 12:23 PM (EST) 14. "RE: bump"   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 12:23 PM (EST) 15. "RE: bump"   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 12:24 PM (EST) 16. "RE: bump"   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 12:24 PM (EST) 17. "RE: bump"   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 12:24 PM (EST) 18. "RE: bump"   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 12:25 PM (EST) 19. "RE: bump"   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 12:25 PM (EST) 20. "RE: bump"   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 12:36 PM (EST) 21. "Flame On!" Okay, last one.   Top

Prof_ Wagstaff 4196 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 11-14-09, 11:31 AM (EST) 36. "RE: Flame On!" You're right Johnny, That's your last bump and a beer.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 11:31 AM (EST) 5. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" Heh! They should be searching for the HII themselves. If Russell finds it again he finds it, doesn't much matter if everyone watches him find it.   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-13-09, 02:32 PM (EST) 22. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" So Dabo, can you see the vidcaps I brought over now? Or are they still red x's? I can see them (but I also saw them last night) Should we delete all the posts and start over once SF fixes their server issues?   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 02:48 PM (EST) 23. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" LAST EDITED ON 11-13-09 AT 03:09 PM (EST) It takes time but they all come up after awhile, just very slow. Don't edit. I bumped this thread up to flaming so everyone could jump in. Whatever the problem is, it's a Fever problem. Their site is currently unavailable, maybe they are working on it.   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-13-09, 10:41 PM (EST) 24. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" LAST EDITED ON 11-13-09 AT 10:46 PM (EST) Yippee, CBS has a new promo up and it's a good one! I'm not going to try to bring vidcaps over until the whole server thing is cleared up, plus SF and SP don't have them posted yet anyway. But here's the link to the clip for now: http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor/video/?pid=kuKXxm4fFcsRA2N7Sxy6RAG_PA_O3Mqp Since SF and SP don't have the transcript yet, I did my own quick transcription (not quite as precise as theirs but hopefully good enough for now): Narrator: 2 Immunity Idols played... Laura: We totally underestimated Russell's capability of finding the Idol. Narrator: 2 victories for Russell... Jeff: The tribe has spoken (shots of Erik and Kelly voted out) Narrator: Now... Jeff: The hidden immunity idol goes back into play. Narrator: A 3rd Idol is hidden on the island. Laura: We need to keep the Immunity Idol out of Russell's hands. Russell: They're like magnets to me. Narrator: Will he find it and become the greatest Survivor ever? Russell: I know I don't need it. (laying in a hammock, cocky attitude, can't see who he's saying this to) Narrator: Or the biggest fool?   Top

goldenmike4393 303 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 11-16-09, 07:59 PM (EST) 78. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" I am no doubt a day late and dollar short, but ... If RussHELL says he doesn't need the HII, he has new followers, enough to work around Galu! So, I suspect we have two (2) flips!   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-13-09, 11:37 PM (EST) 25. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" There are lots of caps at Phoenix: http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/graphics/gallery/S19E10ShowPromo I don't have time to post them, but they're there. This Fever problem, a server problem maybe, has been ongoing for three weeks or so.   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-13-09, 11:43 PM (EST) 26. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" LAST EDITED ON 11-14-09 AT 00:48 AM (EST) Thanks OFG! Looks like Phoenix has the same caps that I already brought over for the "next time on Survivor" preview. (I didn't bring them all because there were so many, but the key ones are posted above and people can use your link if they want to see the others.) Phoenix doesn't have the newest CBS promo or vidcaps yet (as of about 9:45 p.m. Chicago time), but hopefully they'll have them Sat. morning. I agree that perhaps we should rely on SP for now until Fever's server issues get resolved. Thx.   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-14-09, 01:39 AM (EST) 27. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" yes, I realized after I posted that there was a new promo, and not up yet. I was confused about whether you got all you wanted from Fever before the problem began. Also, I really appreciate you picking up this weekly task as it's a big one. FlowerPower used to do it, and I know she has been super busy, and I always marveled at her diligence too. It's a lot of work, and I don't take it for granted. I'm glad you didn't bring them all over. It gets to be overkill to have so many of almost the same image on one topic. It's different when it's in a gallery and they don't all need to load. If Phoenix has the caps up, their server has been very reliable, is what I meant.   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-14-09, 02:15 AM (EST) 28. "Full web promo vidcaps" Note that the transcript is a few posts above. Thanks to Survivor Fever: (Skipped a few caps here - shots of Erik and Kelly getting their torches snuffed, and then Jeff saying the HII will be rehidden at TC) (A few misc. shots of Russell looking under trees, etc. for the idol that I didn't bring over)   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-14-09, 02:56 AM (EST) 29. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" So it's a tile smashing challenge this week. Can't tell for sure if it's an RC or IC. I always like these when they're the kind where you knock others out, because they tend to show the pecking order -- wonder if one of the Galus realizes they're at the bottom of the totem pole and decides to flip? The shots of Brett doing the bullseye thing appear to be part of the same challenge, although I'm not 100% certain. The trees, beach, etc. are look the same and so is Brett's outfit and buff. Perhaps this is the 2nd stage of the tile challenge? If so, that means Brett is in the finals. (Would make sense that he'd be one of the last knocked out on the plate smashing, since he's so nice and UTR and everyone likes him. RussHell won't stand a chance if it is the case that you knock others out vs. having to break 3 of your own first or something like that.) I'm dying to know who Russell is talking to on the hammock. When you watch the video, he sure seems cocky, like he's in the catbird seat. They use several of his hammock shots throughout the promo, so it must be a pivotal scene. Can't imagine he'd be lounging around...unless he found the HII or knew for sure that someone else had it.   Top

vince3 17341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-14-09, 06:14 AM (EST) 30. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" I think RussHell's cocky because he's figured that, at least for this TC, he might be better off without the HII! Purple rock rules have those that received votes and in a tie not have to reach into the bag. I forget if the Immunity Challenge winner is also safe from reaching in that bag or not...... If they're not safe, then is the HII holder that played it safe? I dunno. Granted it would be nice to get the HII again but if everyone else is going to search for it, why not rest, especially if you have 5 votes maximum heading your way out of 10, and you know that you control 5 votes yourself heading into your rival's general direction? If it ends in a tie, you're safe anyways.... He has to be pretty sure about the purple rock rules, and that he definitely has Shambo and the remaining FF4 members all wrapped around his pinkie and their votes are all aimed in the same direction: Laura (or Monica, probably, if Laura goes 3-3 on Immunity Challenges.....)   Top

vince3 17341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-14-09, 06:22 AM (EST) 31. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" Elimination/pecking order/coconut chop challenges are rarely the Immunity Challenge because it would favor the dominant alliance way too much, I believe....... It does rarely happen, though..... This kind of challenge is one where you can accidentally kill yourself if you're not careful, like if your tile is within a couple of columns of your intended target........ As far as that automatic crossbow is concerned, maybe it's a way to determine who gets how many objects to throw/tries to smash before the next person? That is, if it's connected to the same challenge as the tile breaking...... Previously they've used an army machine gun/cannon to try to shoot down colored objects representing Survivors with the first one to knock all of their own down winning instead of being eliminated....... The tiles, though are definitely a 'chop' style Reward Challenge, I believe. Hell, for all we know, it may inspire the "Day of Reckoning" quote! If someone like Laura or RussHell got practically insta-eliminated, I would thinkg they'd say something like that..........   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-14-09, 12:48 PM (EST) 41. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" Good thought, Vince. I was thinking the crossbow part was the finals, but it could be that it helps determine how many tries you get. I would think that this challenge favors the guys.   Top

Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-14-09, 08:37 AM (EST) 32. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" LAST EDITED ON 11-14-09 AT 08:53 AM (EST) Thanks for bringing over the vidcaps, squid! I think RussHell is completely confident when he says, "I know I don't need it." I think someone other than Shambo is going to flip and he knows it...perhaps John? I do think a tie scenario would be extremely dangerous, and the only way for RussHell to avoid it would be to win immunity or play the HII. But, if the HII is not found by him, and he does not win immunity, even with the FF4 and Shambo, it's still a tie. So, he either has to convince someone in the Galu tribe to either vote for his target, OR, vote for anyone else but himself....with the misdirection clue this week, I am leaning toward someone like John who thwarts the plan to save himself later, we all know that he loathes Laura and Monica...now is the time to act, imo. Here are the misdirection clues: TEMPERS FLARE AND AN ALLIANCE THREATENS TO SPLINTER APART AT THE MOST DRAMATIC TRIBAL COUNCIL YET, ON "SURVIVOR SAMOA" Tempers flaring at TC is a gimme, and an alliance threatening to splinter apart means it either will or it won't. The alliances could be in reference to the FF4 vs. the Galu6....this could be Shambo. But, it could also be FF4+Shambo vs. Galu5, BUT, it could also mean the Galu 5 is threatening to split apart....could Laura and John get into it at TC? We know that she knows he was the one that directed the Monica boot, not Eric, and we know that she can not trust John...but, Laura is in a really precarious position....with Shambo turned, the Galu men outnumber the Galu women, I still think John may be fixated on Laura, and with RussHell, who knows, he may be instigating the sparks that are likely to fly and planting his RussHell seeds with John....I dunno. To me, John now has better numbers to finally take out Laura. Will he make the move? I think RussHell is confident he will indeed do something? A clever castaway jeopardizes the success of a scheme to ensure their own safety in the game. John?   Top

vince3 17341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-14-09, 10:17 AM (EST) 33. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" Also a potential alliance splintering cause is that coconut chop style challenge with the tiles....... If that is an elimination challenge, especially for Reward, we know how those kind of challenges can change allegiences, especially for those at the bottom of their groups' totem pole..........   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-14-09, 10:49 AM (EST) 34. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" "We know that she knows he was the one that directed the Monica boot, not Eric, and we know that she can not trust John" We know this? About the purple rock rules that Vince mentioned, the immunity necklace holder doesn't have to pick in the bag and neither do the 2 players that received the votes. There could be a tie after a Hidden Immunity Idol is played (let's say a 4-3-3 split in votes where the 4 votes don't count) but a re-vote would most likely solve that tie. The revote would only involve the two players who received 3 votes in the first turn. Now, we must realize that the purple rock is not really a tie-breaker: It's a tie Eliminator. Burnett doesn't want ties. If you are stupid enough to keep a tie a second time, you have to pick a rock. The purple rock has never been needed after the first season it came into play (Marquesas). If Russell is looking confident because he's sure his alliance will stay strong despite a certain 5-5 deadlock then that's part of his bluff, part of the game of chicken each alliance would be playing. No one wants to see that bag.   Top

vince3 17341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-14-09, 11:07 AM (EST) 35. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" Well, how about this possibility, then: RussHell leads FF+Shambo and they vote Laura, while Laura leads whats left of Galu to vote RussHell. Now, the HII and the Immunity Challenge winner are split evenly between the two factions, and the HII was not played by either RussHell or Laura, but by someone deciding that they'd rather cover their a$$ instead. That'll leave 6 people eligible to be purple rock'd, 3 per faction...... upon realizing this after the first tie, and Jiffy telling them about it...... then someone cracks on the Galu crew and votes out Laura......   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-14-09, 12:22 PM (EST) 37. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" "We know that she knows he was the one that directed the Monica boot, not Eric, and we know that she can not trust John" We know this? Michel, we learned this from Kelly in the RTVW interview. Here's the part from my original post in the post-game interview thread: * She also says that they all figured out after they voted Erik out that it was really John who was gunning for Monica: "We were like, "Aw #####. It should have been John." But like, "Okay, stay cool. Don't let John know we know because we need to keep him on our side to get rid of a few Foa Foa."   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-14-09, 12:43 PM (EST) 39. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" "the HII was not played by either RussHell or Laura, but by someone deciding that they'd rather cover their a$$ instead." Interesting! you're saying Laura, Monica, John, Dave and Brett vote Russell while FF4 + Shambo vote Laura and let's say John played the HII while Shambo had the necklace. Right? I'm not aware of any discussions on this scenario. So, what I think would happen is this: First the idol would have been wasted and wouldn't come into play in the second vote where 8 players vote for either Laura or Russell. If there's still a tie, it's possible that, as a simple voter, John would have to pick a rock. Not certain by any means but a possibility. All I know for sure in that scenario is that Russell, Laura and Shambo are exempt from picking rocks. Thanks Squid, I'm always behind in the interviews. I'll have to read the whole thing but that sentence has a hint of spin in it; Kelly saying that she knew something to make herself look smart when she only learned about it on TV or at Ponderosa.   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-14-09, 12:54 PM (EST) 42. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" Michel, it could be spin but I think you'll see that Kelly was refreshingly candid and unlike many of the folks voted out this season, she didn't try to make herself out to be so smart. She even admits that Galu was laying around sunbathing the entire day of TC when they should have been strategizing.   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-14-09, 01:01 PM (EST) 43. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" As you mentioned, the HII would be wasted in this scenario (playing it on the 1st vote)....although it would throw things off. It's almost like throwing away your vote and by design messing up the group plan. (Could fit with the clever castaway clue???) The smarter thing, which is what I thought Vince was suggesting, is to hang onto it and then use it for the revote. I could see John coming up with that idea. Another thing I just noticed: In comparing the 2 promos/vidcaps, 1 shot that is common in both is John looking for the Idol. (Is that a well? Not sure what he's looking in) It would be interesting if he's the one who finds it. If someone on Galu finds it and Russell finds out, it sort of fits the clip at the end where he's talking to someone in the hammock and saying he doesn't need it. Maybe the cocky bravado is meant for someone on Galu???   Top

vince3 17341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-14-09, 01:25 PM (EST) 44. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" Interesting! you're saying Laura, Monica, John, Dave and Brett vote Russell while FF4 + Shambo vote Laura and let's say John played the HII while Shambo had the necklace. Right? Something along those lines is the scenario I'm thinking about, yes. Now, here is the part we're not sure about because the HII wasn't in existence the only time the Purple Rock first came out: If you play the HII during the first vote, are you safe from the Purple Rock if the votes end up in a tie twice after you play the HII? If the HII holder would be safe throughout the rest of TC, then in that example above RussHell, Laura, Shambo, and John would be safe from the Purple Rock if the vote ties twice. The other possibility that you guys are suggesting, that the HII comes out during the revote would be a very nasty way to go out........... because that's basically an automatic elimination for the other person, unless somehow everyone votes for the HII holder in the second go round and then they play the HII..........   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-14-09, 01:53 PM (EST) 45. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" OK, I see what you're saying Vince -- then in that scenario it wouldn't be a waste to play the HII on the first vote, if it made you immune for any subsequent revotes. That could work if it's legal, who knows! I really like the idea of saving it for the revote (esp. if people don't know you have it) -- more dramatic and like you said, a nastier way to go out!   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-14-09, 05:23 PM (EST) 47. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" >I really like the idea of >saving it for the revote I do not think that this is allowed. The rules of the idol state that you must play the idols BEFORE the votes are read. If you keep it in your pocket before the first vote, the votes have been read. I don't think you could then pull it out for the revote.   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-14-09, 11:43 PM (EST) 49. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" Michel, when you say "rules of the idol," is there something actually published that we could refer to? Also, are the rules of the idol the same as the rules of the HII? Seems to me like sometimes they change things up a bit from season to season on the HII, but I could be wrong on that. The other thing I'm wondering about is what are the rules for tie breakers. Do you know anything about that?   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-14-09, 12:46 PM (EST) 40. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" I do think the bluffing/game of chicken could make for a most dramatic TC, per the clues. And Vince, I really like your idea that the HII could come into play on the revote. (Assuming that's allowed -- can't see why not.) Between immunity winner and the people with the votes, that really narrows down the choices on the revote.   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-14-09, 12:40 PM (EST) 38. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" FloPo, my 1st thought was John for that clever clue too. He's obviously smart/clever, and as Kelly mentioned in her post-game interview, he has a tendency to overthink things (and thus could screw up the plan). The only thing that niggles me about John flipping is what would be John's motivation at this point in the game to take out Laura/Monica? Yes, he hates them and has been gunning for them for a while...but with a 5-5 tie, it's like winning the battle but losing the war (game) if John flips now and votes one of them out. Then the Galu (including John) gets Pagonged unless there is some assurance. I guess Russell could lie and tell John he's guaranteed F4 or something like that, but I can't imagine John would fall for it. One idea I floated in the other thread is whether RussHell would give the HII to someone else (like John, or more likely Brett, since Brett is aligned with Shambo and now has lost his main ally Kelly). It sounds crazy and would be a huge risk, but he does say in the promo that he knows he doesn't need the idol, so maybe he uses it strategically to get someone to flip? I did notice that TDT has changed Brett's spot on the Survivometer (I won't say here how it's changed, in case others don't want to know).   Top

PepeLePew13 26134 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-14-09, 04:34 PM (EST) 46. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" >I did notice that TDT has >changed Brett's spot on the >Survivometer (I won't say here >how it's changed, in case >others don't want to know). Not only Brett, but also Jaison has been shoe-horned into a specific spot as well. I'm in agreement that Brett could be the one who becomes an ally of RussHell because he's friendly with Shambo and has lost his main alliance partner in Kelly. Couldn't Brett be the "clever castaway jeopardizes the success of a scheme to ensure their own safety in the game"? I.e., let's say John comes up with the idea of playing the HII on the revote, but Brett switches anyway to boot a different Galu member?   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-14-09, 05:33 PM (EST) 48. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" "The only thing that niggles me about John flipping is what would be John's motivation at this point in the game to take out Laura/Monica?" John had to be extremely relieved to see Kelly's name instead of his own. If he senses that Shambo is with FF, he could think he's next on their hit list. If he makes a Final 5 deal with Russell then all the other Galus leave before him. Yes, John would be at the bottom of Foa Foa's totem pole but he'd also be only 2 Immunity Challenge wins away from a seat in front of the jury. That seems better odds than counting on Galu.   Top

Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-15-09, 10:24 AM (EST) 57. "RE: Full web promo vidcaps" Yes, thanks michel, I couldn't have said it better myself. The reason why I would pick John to flip over Brett is that John knows he is lowest in the Galu 5 pecking order. Dave, Brett, Laura, Monica are all good with each other. After the last 2 TC's I can assume that John sees some of the writing on the wall...Galu can be outwitted. I would assume if he is an over-thinker, that John would be teetering on switching alliances and bailing on the sinking ship called Galu. And, we all know how RussHell plants his seeds, he will definately be planting seeds of doubt John's way, imo. And, as michel noted, he is a fit, athletic young man, he could be willing to gamble that he could vie for the II, especially if he fancies himself more capable mentally than some of his peers here. I do like the idea that John could find the HII. If he does, I think that will give him even more courage to flip alliances. He loathes Laura and company more than anyone else in this game, imo. If he chooses to flip, he can just vote someone different than Russell, and then, keep the HII for later, and let Laura be eliminated. He could then jump on board with the plan to eliminate all the Galu's and when it came to the FF's, he can take his chances with winning II's and still have his HII. Lastly, missyae has been saying that John is a good strategist and is playing the game well. We are all assuming that Missy's source is indeed Russell, so if Russell is speaking positively about John, than at some point they must see eye to eye, perhaps?   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-15-09, 01:07 AM (EST) 50. "Tie-Breaking Rules" I found these tie-breaker rules posted by Kdeec over at Mess and thought they might be helpful to bring over (although we'll need GoldenMike or one of our lawyers to help interpret . Evidently this was originally posted by Kathy from Micronesia. Someone at Sucks has astutely pointed out that there is no provision for the HII, so it's hard to know how that would be handled, and whether it'll be treated the same as having won IC. Maybe the HII didn't get introduced until after Micronesia? (And perhaps the rules have been updated since then.) I'm sure Michel will know! _________________ Okay, here are the Tie Breaking Rules, as printed with no paragraphs or breaks, which is how we had to read them. If this hurts your eyeballs, consider that we had to read and sign about 150 pages of this stuff. If there is a tie between Contestants, then a second vote may be conducted in which all non-eliminated Contestants at the Tribal Council (other than the tied Contestants) must vote to eliminate one of such tied Contestant. This voting process may continue until one and only one Contestant is chosen for elimination. If, however, there is a deadlock in the voting as determined by the Producer in its sole discretion, then the following shall occur: (a) the Contestants who are tied with the same number of votes for elimination are separated from the other Contestants; and number of votes for elimination are separated from the other Contestants; and (b) the remaining, non-eliminated, non-tied, Contestants at the Tribal Council have two minutes to discuss and decide, in an open forum, which of the tied Contestants should be eliminated. If a decision is reached by the remaining, non-eliminated, non-tied, Contestants, the Contestant whom they have chosen for elimination is eliminated. On the other hand, if, after the two minute discussion, the remaining non-eliminated, non-tied, Contestants have not reached a decision as to which one of the tied Contestants should be eliminated, the following shall occur (subject to the clarification set forth below): the tied Contestants are now deemed to be immune from elimination at this Tribal Council, and the remaining, non-eliminated, non-tied, Contestants (with the sole exclusion of any remaining, non-tied, Contestant who has previously been granted immunity for this Tribal Council as a result of winning a Challenge) must choose a rock from a bag without looking inside of the bag. The Contestant who selects the differently colored rock is eliminated. In addition, and for purposes of clarification, if three or more Contestants are tied for elimination, and the voting Contestants are deadlocked, and the tied Contestants are separated from the remaining non-tied Contestants, and the remaining, non-eliminated, non-tied, Contestants decide during their initial two minute discussion that one or more of the tied Contestants should not be eliminated and yet, nevertheless, two or more Contestants remain tied, then the Contestant who was, or the Contestants who were, part of the tie, but who is or are no longer part of the tie, shall join the remaining, non-eliminated, non-tied Contestants for an additional two minute discussion regarding which of the Contestants who are still tied for elimination should be eliminated. (If this second two minute discussion results in a decision to not eliminate another one or more still-tied Contestants, and if nevertheless two or more Contestants remain tied for elimination, then a third two minute discussion shall be held among the remaining non-tied Contestants and all of the Contestants who have been removed from the tied group of Contestants. This process shall continue, and Contestants shall be removed from the tied group, and further two-minute discussions shall be held until the remaining, non-eliminated, non-tied, Contestants either (a) are deadlocked regarding all of the now-tied Contestants, or (b) choose one Contestant for elimination.) If two or more two-minute discussions as described above do not determine which one of the tied Contestants should be eliminated, then the rock-picking ceremony shall be held as set forth above, and any Contestants who were tied for elimination and who were subsequently brought back into the voting group as a result of a two minute discussion shall be required to participate in the rock-picking ceremony along with all of the other remaining, non-eliminated, non-tied, Contestants without immunity. However, the rock-picking tie breaker shall not apply to a tie that exists among the final four Contestants. In the event that a deadlock tie exists among the final four Contestants, the two Contestants who are tied shall compete against each other in a challenge to be decided in the sole discretion of the Producer. The Contestant who loses this competition shall be eliminated from further participation in the Series as a Contestant.   Top

vince3 17341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-15-09, 01:42 AM (EST) 51. "RE: Tie-Breaking Rules" I believe we know Micronesia better as Fans Vs. Favorites, which means that by that time, the HII has been in use for 5 previous seasons, and have been through a couple of verious incarnations of such: Guatemala was play before the vote, Exile Island and Cook Islands were "landmine" versions in which the holder can play the HII after the votes have been read to nullify the votes against them, and from Fiji on it's been the "hand grenade" version in which the holder has to play the idol after the votes are cast and before they've been revealed........ All of that means that there either should've been a provision for the HII in that explanation above, they haven't thought that a tie could happen with a HII played in the same TC, or it equates to winning the Immunity Challenge in those above rules if it's played and a tie somehow still occurs.......   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-15-09, 02:34 AM (EST) 52. "RE: Tie-Breaking Rules" Thanks Vince for clarifying that! So are you thinking that the only time you could play the HII is after the very first vote?   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-15-09, 03:13 AM (EST) 54. "RE: Tie-Breaking Rules" I've followed Kathy's posts over at Sucks (hilarious BTW) and that is part of where I got the previous info. Eliza and Jenna also had posts on the subject of ties. Read this part again: "and the remaining, non-eliminated, non-tied, Contestants (with the sole exclusion of any remaining, non-tied, Contestant who has previously been granted immunity for this Tribal Council as a result of winning a Challenge) must choose a rock from a bag without looking inside of the bag." Sole exclusion of the immunity challenge winner doesn't mean the HII holder. Under those rules, that player is now just another non-eliminated, non-tied contestant who failed to decide on a boot and would have to pick a rock.   Top

Georjanna 1316 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 11-15-09, 04:56 AM (EST) 55. "RE: Tie-Breaking Rules" LAST EDITED ON 11-15-09 AT 06:49 AM (EST) Squid, Perhaps I'm over-simplifying the matter, but the Purple Rock Clause of the Tie Breaking Rules seems pretty straight-forward and makes a clear distinction between the Contestant who holds a "sole exclusion" from any and every Tribal Council vote/deliberation - "On the other hand, if, after the two minute discussion, the remaining non-eliminated, non-tied, Contestants have not reached a decision as to which one of the tied Contestants should be eliminated, the following shall occur (subject to the clarification set forth below): the tied Contestants are now deemed to be immune from elimination at this Tribal Council, and the remaining, non-eliminated, non-tied, Contestants (with the sole exclusion of any remaining, non-tied, Contestant who has previously been granted immunity for this Tribal Council as a result of winning a Challenge) must choose a rock from a bag without looking inside of the bag. The Contestant who selects the differently colored rock is eliminated." - and every other remaining, non-tied Contestant: including a Hidden Immunity Idol bearer. And that's why Laura's Immunity Necklace came with Jeff's guarantee of a "one in ten shot at a million dollars" and Russell's Hidden Immunity Idol did not. The HII nullifies individual Tribal Council votes cast, not consensual decisions reached at the conclusion of ensuing discussions or one's exposure as a "remaining, non-eliminated, non-tied, Contestant". At least, that's the way I read the thing. But, in the absence of any distinction between the votes cast in an initial ballot and those cast in subsequent second, third, fourth (etc) ballots, I would think that the HII could be played at any "after the votes are cast but before they are read" juncture prior to the Producer's declaration of a "deadlock". But, I do wonder what would happen in the event that two Contestants played HIIs and the then-revealed votes were evenly split between the two. Their Idols played, are they then 1) tied and without a vote or 2) at risk with a vote? I wonder too about the last two sentences: " In the event that a deadlock tie exists among the final four Contestants, the two Contestants who are tied shall compete against each other in a challenge to be decided in the sole discretion of the Producer. The Contestant who loses this competition shall be eliminated from further participation in the Series as a Contestant. Does this mean that we'll never see Matty again? ... ETA: I apologize for repeating Michel's point about the sole exclusion portion of the rules. I began the message much earlier than its submission and didn't see his post until afterward. G   Top

Georjanna 1316 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 11-15-09, 07:18 AM (EST) 56. "RE: Tie-Breaking Rules" PS: For what they're worth, here are the (abbreviated, I'm sure) HII Rules that were posted for the Contestants during Micronesia ... G   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-15-09, 01:10 PM (EST) 58. "RE: Tie-Breaking Rules" Michel and Georjanna, thanks so much for all the great info on the rules. I'm not up on all this, so it's very helpful.   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-19-09, 07:45 PM (EST) 80. "RE: Tie-Breaking Rules" I think if we remember what HII's do, which is nullify votes, that this becomes more clear. First, the HII must be played after the first round of votes is cast. If the idol is played, votes for that player are thrown out. In the unlikely event that two idols were played and no one else got a vote except those two people, there would have to be a revote excluding those two as targets. That is not a tiebreaker; it is a case of a vote resulting in zero valid votes. In a scenario where the idol is played and there are valid votes, but they happen to be tied, the first thing is a revote. The idol player is not at risk there because on a tie revote the only people who can receive votes are the targets locked in the tie. Therefore the HII player is totally out of the equation. Where the HII player is still at risk, is from the purple rock. The idol nullifies VOTES, not the rock draw. The idea of the purple rock is to punish contestants for failing to find a solution to the deadlock. The HII holder is not immune from those consequences, and should be as motivated as anyone else to consider making a vote change.   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-15-09, 02:42 AM (EST) 53. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" LAST EDITED ON 11-15-09 AT 02:45 AM (EST) When I was over at Mess looking for the tie breaker/HII rules, I noticed that someone named Chaoswa posted that they think this vidcap shows that either RussHell finds the 3rd HII, or perhaps he hides a fake one to throw Galu off. Not sure if anyone can blow this up a bit? Hard to tell if it's just a bunch of leaves, but it does definitely look like something is in his left (top) hand. The Mess poster seems to think that maybe RussHell saved the old paper and tie that the last one was wrapped in. Can't imagine they'd give us the shot of him finding it so soon in the week...so I'm leaning toward the fake idea. Would be funny.   Top

chaoswva 12 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 11-15-09, 02:09 PM (EST) 60. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" LAST EDITED ON 11-15-09 AT 03:33 PM (EST) Here ya go squid...another newbie poster here...and friend of S1 and Weezie ETA...this is the one Russ found under the bridge and appears the first one above has the same cloth (burlap) and string on it from this pic   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-15-09, 02:41 PM (EST) 62. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" Thanks and welcome to the board, Chaoswva! Awesome catch on your 1st post!! Is that 2nd shot an "old" image from one of the previous HIIs, to show us how it looks similar to what Russell is putting in the tree? So are you leaning toward RussHell makes this to throw Galu off the scent? Since they haven't actually seen the HII up close, I could see how it could work, esp. if he kept the original paper, ties and instructions. Or are you thinking he's going to fake them out that he has it so they won't vote for him? (Although this week if he thinks it'll be a tie, it would actually make sense to want to be the initial target so then you're excluded from the purple rock.) The other thing this brings to mind is the fake idol that Ben made -- it supposedly had bird feathers and looked pretty good. Shambo found it and Ashley warned Shambo it was fake, then we never heard anything about it again. I always wondered what happened to it, so maybe Shambo or RussHell kept it and they decide to make use of it now?   Top

chaoswva 12 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 11-15-09, 05:52 PM (EST) 65. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" LAST EDITED ON 11-15-09 AT 05:53 PM (EST) Scratch the above caps..its just a leaf....SP zoomed in on an HD video and got this.....Thanks goes out to Survivor Phoenix....   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-15-09, 06:06 PM (EST) 68. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" Thanks for letting us know...nice try, bummer that it wasn't correct -- hope you stick around!   Top

yucca 10 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 11-17-09, 09:53 PM (EST) 79. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" I can see that it's a leaf in his left hand, but what is that in his right hand?   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-15-09, 05:57 PM (EST) 66. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" LAST EDITED ON 11-15-09 AT 06:32 PM (EST) Welcome aboard Chaoswva and nice catch. I don't think a fake idol would work because everyone saw Jeff holding up the real one.   Top

CTgirl 8013 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-15-09, 02:33 PM (EST) 61. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" LAST EDITED ON 11-15-09 AT 02:35 PM (EST) Getting away from speculation and back to vidcap analysis - We already know that the Day of Reckoning is between Laura and Russell and the vidcaps prove this - almost all of the show preview vidcaps are of Russell or Laura. As squid pointed out above, I think the HII is found again. Most likely Russhell finds it (Jaison and John are the other two shown looking into someplace rather than just running around and could also possible find it). This vidcap in the show preview is a solo of Laura and hints at OFG theory for me for Laura as the bootee: The sports promos all ask the question, "will be the idol be found again?" I think with all the emphasis on finding the 3rd HII, that yes, it will be found. We're not watching them on a wild goose chase. Looking at the web preview vidcaps, they included a few of Russell looking for the HII at Foa Foa. Note Russell's in his skivvies and Betsy is in the picture: Right after these vidcaps, they show one of Russhell finding the one at the dock. I think this hints that he does in fact find the third one. The vidcaps then segue into tribal council with Russell smiling, Jeff holding the HII and another solo shot of Laura: Somehow Foa Foa is successful again and manages to boot (and possibly blindside) Laura. So the 3rd Hidden Idol would allow FoaFoa+Shambo get at least a tie at tribal council. The other question is how does this happen and who is the clever one? It could very well be John or Dave (remember how fast he was to vote out his ally Erik), but I am going to guess that its Brett due to this solo shot of him at a challenge: He shoots and hits the target close to the center: OK, maybe he just wins, but I think that vidcap is significant since its a solo shot in a week where there aren't a lot of solo shots of people. ETA: chaoswva added vidcap analysis in the above post from Mess Hall while I posting that backs up my thoughts that Russhell does find the HII again.   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-15-09, 03:06 PM (EST) 63. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" CTGirl, that determined look on Brett's face in the crossbow vidcap stood out to me too. I definitely agree that he's going to play a key role in the story going forward (and it was smart on Shambo's part to vote out Kelly, his main ally). I'm still not sure, based on the vidaps, if that means he's the clever one who potentially flips or if he wins immunity.   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-15-09, 03:58 PM (EST) 64. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" I just noticed something in this shot -- doesn't Laura look prettier than usual? And has she worn her hair that way lately? Could she have won reward and gotten a shower? (Or maybe it's just a fluke....she could have just unbraided her hair and it naturally looks that way.) I originally assumed that everyone would come back from TC and start looking for the HII that night or the next morning, but now I'm not sure about the timing of this shot.   Top

kingfish 20752 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-15-09, 05:59 PM (EST) 67. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" One technical point that probably doesn't mean anything...it's actually the 4th hidden idol, the two originals plus pne under the bridge and this one makes 4. 2 played, one not played, and one not found (so far).   Top

rachelOH63 210 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 11-15-09, 07:53 PM (EST) 69. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" re: Laura looking cleaned-up. I don't know about her, but i think Natalie definitely got a shower. Her hair is hanging down and straight in the beach shot with a stick... not like in the pictures of them breaking tiles. But i suppose she could have taken her hair down from that bee-hive some time..???   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-15-09, 08:18 PM (EST) 70. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" yes, I just went back and looked and Natalie's hair in that water shot does look pretty good/clean...I really hope they give us some RC shots this week so we can figure things out. (Still assuming the tile smashing/crossbow are IC, but we don't really know for sure.)   Top

rachelOH63 210 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 11-15-09, 08:20 PM (EST) 71. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" her hair is up during the tile smashing challenge...so i assume that's a RC...and maybe the IC???   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-15-09, 08:45 PM (EST) 72. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" I don't think they'd do a combined challenge this week, and we know from the Ponderosa clips with Erik and Kelly that it's a 3 day cycle. I thought about the tile challenge as the RC, but it seems more like an IC....although I suppose they could have the top 2 or 3 contestants win reward. Or they could let the winner pick who to bring -- I always love those because it stirs the pot; hope they start that soon. One other thing I thought about that might be relevant: Last week they gave a clue to the group that won reward. Was that a one-time deal, or will they do that again this week? If so, that's an extra incentive to go on reward. (Of course it didn't stop RussHell from finding it without a clue.) On the other hand, if you don't go on the reward, then you have a lot more time to look for the idol. Originally I was trying to figure out from the vidcaps who's searching for the HII in the trees, thinking that perhaps the others were on reward, but I don't think that timing is necessarily correct....plus this week it looks like EVERYONE, including Monica and Jaison (two of the less industrious people), are making at least some attempt. If it is another obvious spot, conceivably anyone could find it, even Shambo.   Top

byoffer 15947 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-16-09, 00:48 AM (EST) 73. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" To me the tile-breaking is a classic coconut-chop style challenge, intended to reveal the pecking order. I think it will be RC, and in addition to revealing the pecking order via the "chop" further hierarchy will be revealed when the winner gets to take one or two people on reward. My guess is that Shambo will still try to hide her flip, and will aim for FF tiles. Down 6-4 in challenge numbers, Russ etal will not win. I would think Laura would be a FF target, and Monica would not do well. Likely one of the Galu guys will win. Maybe that guy gets strategic and takes Laura and Natalie on the reward, hoping that this will help their longer term stay in the game. Is John the one likely to do that? That's my guess.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-16-09, 02:22 AM (EST) 74. "Agree" This does seem like a classic coconut chop challenge, which means who wins would be determined mainly by popularity. Or, one of the two least threatening players should come out on top. Galu has the advantage going in.   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-16-09, 02:43 AM (EST) 75. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" Byoffer, your outline makes a lot of sense...as I posted above, I would love to see a chop-style challenge this next episode with the pecking order revealed. I would think that Brett would be the most likely person to win a chopping style challenge since he's so nice and doesn't ruffle feathers. (John, I think, would not do as well.) Perhaps it is not a coincidence that we see Brett with the crossbow, esp. if these 2 challenges are tied together? I guess we still haven't come to a clear consensus on how that crossbow part factors in. Originally I was thinking it could be the "finals" of this challenge, but Vince had a good suggestion that it could be the initial part, which would determine how many "throws" you get. I like that idea and vaguely recall something like that happening before. Hopefully new promos or press shots will be out early this week so we can figure out if something else is the IC.   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 11-16-09, 01:10 PM (EST) 76. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" The PIP and other shorter weekend promos are up now at SP but they're mostly video links, not vidcaps. I watched and they all have the same storyline -- will the HII be found and will Russell go down in history as the best survivor ever or a fool. The majority of the footage is the same and unfortunately no new challenge shots. SP does have the vidcaps for the PIP promo -- I'm only bringing over a few that appear to be "new" of John and Dave looking for the idol: There are no caps yet for the 10 sec. promo, but the very 1st shot here is new -- it's Natalie, Shambo and Russell at the shelter. Maybe they don't go on the reward? Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQf2-NGJZWc   Top

goldenmike4393 303 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 11-16-09, 07:53 PM (EST) 77. "RE: Vidcaps, Ep. 10 - Day of Reckoning" I agree with RussHELL in that he is SMARTER than Laura in STREET SMARTS. Laura has a more refined intelligence. And, RussHELL pointed out that this is a street smarts game. Russ scores another point!   Top

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