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"Anyone else think that Miguel Espino is a punk?"
wonka187 4 desperate attention whore postings
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03-27-05, 09:47 PM (EST)
 
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"Anyone else think that Miguel Espino is a punk?" |
He went for Peter Manfredo because he thought he was a wounded dog. Peter didn't have enough time to get his head right after he got voted back on. Miguel took what he thought was the easy fight, and he paid for it. This was the first Contender episode where I didn't feel sorry for the loser...I was actually ecstatic to see Peter win and Miguel go home. Does anyone agree with me on this? I was so angry when Miguel picked him, and for Peter to come back after losing one fight....then losing the 2nd and 3rd round of this fight. Peter is awesome.
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lrlr1 512 desperate attention whore postings
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03-29-05, 11:58 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: Anyone else think that Miguel Espino is a punk? " |
I will admit, straight up, that I am no boxing fan. But I love this show. Or maybe I'm just fascinated, or hooked on it. It's the human drama of the men, in their stories, in their backgrounds, their hopes, their dreams, their families that are the turn on for me. I get really involved with the fighters. They are such sympathetic people. Every single one of them is a "Rocky" (none of them ever had a suit in their lives?). Everytime one wins, my heart swells. Everytime one loses, it caves in my chest and tears come to my eyes (except for the Ishe/Akbar fight where Ishe had punked out his own rep by baiting then, at first chance, refusing to step up and fight 'pretty boy' Akbar who during their fight, gave a version of 'the finger' to Ishe's wife just because she rooted for Ishe - her husband! In that fight, it was my combative emotions rather than the 'tender' ones that were engaged. I suppose that is the genius of this show. It gets ALL your emotions involved.)But thanks for the scoring info, guys. Although I do have to say that when the ref announced the score for the Espino/Manfredo fight, he said the score was 48-47, nothing about it being the score of a single judge. We, the uninitiated, were left with the impression that it was the COMBINED score of all 3 judges -- not just one judge's scorecard. P.S. And I agree about the futility of the TV viewing audience trying to score the game. We see only the edited version of the fights - what the producers want us to see. Btw, I mailed a $10 donation to Najai's baby girl's support fund. You know of course that he committed suicide just before the show started airing. (Sugar Ray and Sly Stallone were pallbearers at his funeral). It wrenched my heart to see her so happily 'chasing' her soon to be deceased father around the locker room after he lost his fight. Anybody else pony up a donation?
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lrlr1 512 desperate attention whore postings
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03-27-05, 10:31 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Anyone else think that Miguel Espino is a punk?" |
He would have been a punk if he were fighting for honor. He wasn't. He was fighting to win. Everyone could see that Peter's game was off, that his head was messed up from losing his first ever fight, so Miguel took a calculated chance and, unfortunately for him, it backfired and he lost.
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lrlr1 512 desperate attention whore postings
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03-28-05, 01:39 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: Anyone else think that Miguel Espino is a punk?" |
>I think the team, at least
>Miguel said he wanted to
>fight whom ever it was
>that came back. But he
>wanted to fight Manfredo and
>thus his vote was for
>Peter to come back. Which is so funny because one of the benched guys on the West team said that's why he voted for Reid to come back - because he felt Manfredo would win. LOL The score was 48-47. I think Peter got that extra point because after one of the rounds that Peter won, Miguel was so pissed he hit Peter AFTER the bell rang. Nothing like a little good sportsmanship, is there? :lol
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lrlr1 512 desperate attention whore postings
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04-03-05, 12:21 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: Late hits" |
I agree with Samw (04/03) that Miguel should not have let others decide who he should fight. If that was really the case, he was very foolish. Like Samw said, the prize is 1 million dollars. For that kind of money, you fight who you think you can beat, forget who the team wants you to fight. If Miguel had fought an easier opponent and won, he would have had so much more confidence when the final fights are staged, and who knows? He might have won it all.
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lrlr1 512 desperate attention whore postings
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03-29-05, 10:46 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Anyone else think that Miguel Espino is a punk?" |
The only way Miguel will be brought back is if someone else gets the chicken pox. Don't hold your breath.
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next_gr8 12 desperate attention whore postings
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03-28-05, 02:44 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: Anyone else think that Miguel Espino is a punk?" |
WHEN A MILL TICKET IS ON THE LINE IT'S SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST!!!! THE BOTTOM LINE IS EVERYONE IS THERE TO FIGHT; RECORDS DON'T MATTER AND RANKINGS DON'T MATTER. THE BIG DOGS EAT AND THE WEAK ARE PUSHED ASIDE........
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03-29-05, 12:18 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Anyone else think that Miguel Espino is a punk?" |
Not sure who you're referring to with 'you guys', but I just wanted to point out that all three judges scored the fight 48-47, so it's much simpler to say 48-47 when talking about the 'score' of the bout because all three judges saw it the same way. I think some of us were trying to point out the reason for that score to those who aren't familiar with the way in which boxing is scored (you'd think they'd attempt to explain this breifly at some point in the show for viewers who are not familiar with professional boxing). I've only seen the 2nd and 4th episode (forgot it was starting the first week, then I wasn't able to watch the third  ), so I could be wrong, but there hasn't been a split decision yet, has there? I know the judges scorecards have been different in all of the fights except the Manfredo/Espino fight, though. The only punk on the show so far, IMO, is Ahmed. Jesse is a possibility with all of his whining and carrying on about Ishe, but Ahmed is definitely a punk.  
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03-30-05, 01:22 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: Disagree" |
Yes, it can and does happen that a round can be scored 10-8 without a knockdown. But one guy has to be all but on his feet, or really taking a shellacking. When Vitali Klitschko beat Danny Williams late last year, he scored a couple of 10-8 rounds even when he didn't floor him (which he did quite often), but that was a one-sided drubbing. Even from the highlights we get to see, it was patently clear that no round in the Manfredo-Espino fight was anything close to a 10-8 round. That's a ridiculous assertion.
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next_gr8 12 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-05, 09:48 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Anyone else think that Miguel Espino is a punk?" |
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN AROUND THE SPORT OF BOXING BUT I MUST INFORM YOU..... TO BODY SOMEONE UP AGAINST THE ROPE IS A VET MOVE; PETER HAS BEEN AROUND THE RING A LONG TIME AND IT SHOWS IN HOW HE WAS ABLE TO ADAPT. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER PRO FIGHTS ARE NOT LIKE THE INTERNATIONAL SCORING OF THE OLYMPICS. AS A PRO YOU ARE ALOWED TO RUFF HOUSE A WEAKER GUY AS LONG AS THE ACTION IS SPECTATOR WORTHY; BECAUSE LETS REMEMBER THE FANS CAME TO SEE A BLOOD BATH!!!LOL IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OLE SCHOOL VETS LIKE HOPKINS& TITO THEY HAVE THESES THINGS MASTERED: CHARLE-HORSE TO THE LEG AWAY FOR THE REF, HOLD AND HIT, PUSH WITH LED SHOULDER ETC.
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04-04-05, 11:30 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: Anyone else think that Miguel Espino is a punk?" |
Bodying him up wasn't the issue. Holding the back of the head with the left while punching with the right was the issue. No that isn't within the rules. As to pro being different than olympic scoring, that's sort of humorous considering Ray Leonard is a co-host. He made a career of winning pro fights while getting scored on olympic rules, rightly or not.
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03-29-05, 08:54 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Anyone else think that Miguel Espino is a punk?" |
I think Miguel was awesome! That guy has heart and talent. Manfredo did well too but I wish Miguel won. It was a really close fight. The first four rounds were 2 and 2 but the last round, you could see Manfredo pick it up after his wife gave her two cents. It really helps to have that support - Miguel seemed all alone, especially with the crowd cheering for Manfredo. Even with is family there...I think he lost his edge then and succumbed. I hope he comes back on another show.
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samw 9 desperate attention whore postings
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04-03-05, 03:45 AM (EST)
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22. "RE: Anyone else think that Miguel Espino is a punk?" |
No, watch the extended scenes on Yahoo. He originally did want to take the easier fight and argued with his team about that. Then I think he promised his team to fight the person that everyone voted to return because that was considered to be a harder fight. This part is on Alfonso's website. "Miguel kept his word to fight who ever came back. ... He realized the only way to fight here was to take on hard fights and earn your spot in the Final 8. "I feel bad for Miguel because since he was picking the fight, he should be able to pick whoever he was comfortable with. This is for 1 million dollars. He is letting the rest of his team (and possible future opponents) decide for or influence him.
>He went for Peter Manfredo because
>he thought he was a
>wounded dog. Peter didn't have
>enough time to get his
>head right after he got
>voted back on. Miguel took
>what he thought was the
>easy fight, and he paid
>for it. This was the
>first Contender episode where I
>didn't feel sorry for the
>loser...I was actually ecstatic to
>see Peter win and Miguel
>go home. Does anyone agree
>with me on this? I
>was so angry when Miguel
>picked him, and for Peter
>to come back after losing
>one fight....then losing the 2nd
>and 3rd round of this
>fight. Peter is awesome.
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04-03-05, 03:42 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: Anyone else think that Miguel Espino is a punk?" |
I completely agree with you, samw. I also feel bad for Miguel as he was pressured into taking this fight. Nobody else knows your style better than you, so why should the "team" get to pick your fight. The point of the show and the challenges is to pick out your own opponent...someone who has a weakness that you think you can exploit. Like Anthony said in one of the first episodes..."this is a very unique situation". The boxers basically get to scout their opponents, then choose based on what they've seen. I hope from now on the boxers pick based on what they want, not on what their team is pressuring them to do.
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04-03-05, 08:24 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Anyone else think that Miguel Espino is a punk?" |
I disagree, I don't think he should have even gotten a second chance. I like Manfredo, but no one should get another shot, I think they should have given someone else a chance at the million dollars. If he wins it will not seem right, because he didn't deserve to be there. Everyone else only gets one shot, why should he be any different?
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04-03-05, 10:25 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: Anyone else think that Miguel Espino is a punk?" |
Exactly!!! Tournament style would have been exciting to watch, but probably not a realistic option for professional boxers to participate in. The guy sitting out the first round would be at a serious advantage. They definitely should have picked the next in line for the show.
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