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"Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Please refrain from discussing tonight's episode of The Russell Hantz Variety & Public Defamation Spectacular (three hours a night, seven nights a week, only on CBS, every cable station CBS has a stake in, and downloaded automatically to your TiVo as a special service for the consumer) in a sigpic-free manner until 11:00 p.m. EDT, at which time the star of the show will take time away from his busy schedule to tell you what you thought of it.

CBS is happy to announce the renewal of the show for a second season and feels the hiring of Benjamin Wade as a long-term sidekick will drive the series' energy to a place it's never been before. (Your iPhone. It's mandatory.)

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 RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... dabo 10-01-09 1
   RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... Estee 10-01-09 2
       RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... dabo 10-01-09 3
 RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... Estee 10-01-09 4
 Pre-credits vince3 10-01-09 5
 RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... Snidget 10-01-09 6
   RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... udg 10-01-09 13
 Fugga Fugga woes vince3 10-01-09 7
 Girly girls can't start fires Snidget 10-01-09 8
 Camp Galoot vince3 10-01-09 9
   RE: Camp Galoot Snidget 10-01-09 10
   RE: Camp Galoot jbug 10-01-09 40
 Something's fishy..... vince3 10-01-09 11
 No firewood, no water... Estee 10-01-09 12
 Reward/Immunity Challenge vince3 10-01-09 14
   Let's make a Deal Snidget 10-01-09 15
   RE: Reward/Immunity Challenge vince3 10-01-09 16
       RE: Reward/Immunity Challenge Snidget 10-01-09 17
       RE: Reward/Immunity Challenge CTgirl 10-02-09 64
           RE: Reward/Immunity Challenge michel 10-02-09 70
 Huh? Estee 10-01-09 18
   RE: Huh? vince3 10-01-09 19
   RE: Huh? Belle Book 10-01-09 23
 RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... vince3 10-01-09 20
   RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... PepeLePew13 10-01-09 22
 Born to play, huh? Estee 10-01-09 21
   RE: Born to play, huh? PepeLePew13 10-01-09 24
       RE: Born to play, huh? vince3 10-01-09 25
 Time to Vote vince3 10-01-09 26
   RE: Time to Vote PepeLePew13 10-01-09 31
   RE: Time to Vote Estee 10-02-09 62
   RE: Time to Vote Brownroach 10-02-09 65
       RE: Time to Vote Estee 10-02-09 66
           RE: Time to Vote Brownroach 10-02-09 67
 Bye, Ben! PepeLePew13 10-01-09 27
 Finally found someone to follow. Estee 10-01-09 28
   RE: Finally found someone to follow... Snidget 10-01-09 29
   Ben,,, kingfish 10-01-09 35
       RE: Ben,,, emydi 10-01-09 49
 Final word Snidget 10-01-09 30
 Waiting on Ben's final confessional... Estee 10-01-09 32
   RE: Waiting on Ben's final confessi... Snidget 10-01-09 36
   RE: Waiting on Ben's final confessi... SquidProQuo 10-01-09 37
       Hey Squid... PepeLePew13 10-01-09 39
           RE: Hey Squid... SquidProQuo 10-01-09 43
               RE: Hey Squid... PepeLePew13 10-01-09 44
 Next time on Survivor vince3 10-01-09 33
   RE: Next time on Survivor Outfrontgirl 10-01-09 41
 Live post-episode discussion -- Estee 10-01-09 34
 RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... PepeLePew13 10-01-09 38
   RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... Outfrontgirl 10-01-09 42
       RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... PepeLePew13 10-01-09 46
       RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... michel 10-01-09 47
           RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... Brownroach 10-02-09 57
               RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... PepeLePew13 10-02-09 68
 RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... jbug 10-01-09 45
   RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... michel 10-01-09 48
       RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... emydi 10-01-09 50
           RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... michel 10-01-09 51
           RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... Estee 10-01-09 52
               RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... michel 10-01-09 53
                   RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... Round Robin 10-02-09 54
                       RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... dabo 10-02-09 55
                           RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... Snidget 10-02-09 56
                           RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... vince3 10-02-09 58
       RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... Brownroach 10-02-09 59
           RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... CTgirl 10-02-09 60
               RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... SquidProQuo 10-02-09 61
                   RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... CTgirl 10-02-09 63
                       RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... Flowerpower 10-02-09 69
                           RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... Outfrontgirl 10-02-09 73
                               RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... michel 10-02-09 74
                                   RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... Outfrontgirl 10-03-09 75
                   RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... blueahh 10-03-09 76
                       RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... Outfrontgirl 10-03-09 77
               RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... Belle Book 10-02-09 71
           RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Co... Outfrontgirl 10-02-09 72

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1. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRpTrZ4Tj6U
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2. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
I bet you think you have a point, don't you?
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3. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
A song about a rat makes perfect sense this season.

I wish I'd thought of "Pinball Wizard" for the Coach season.

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4. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Jaison is sick of Ben.

The viewers are sick of Russell.

The editors shuffle forward like zombies, following the ego.

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5. "Pre-credits"
Ben's walking on thin ice, especially with Jaison, who was about one comment away from throttling Ben the previous night for Ben's tirades on Yasmin.........

RussHell tries to smooth things over with those that ware in the minority the previous night, and apparently succeeded.....

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6. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Who are all those people in purple?
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13. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Who are all those people in purple?

No idea.

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7. "Fugga Fugga woes"
Apparently the only one with firemaking skills is the one with definitive 'foot-in-mouth-disease'..... and they're also out of flint.....

And in fact, Ben puts Liz down as he pats himself on the back for starting the fire after Mick's major failures......

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8. "Girly girls can't start fires "
'cause we are girly doncha know.
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9. "Camp Galoot"
They've done so well, that a group of 4 are doing Yoga/Pilates with serene music in the background.....

Cue the drums for Shambo, who's disgusted with their work ethic, who then proceeds to get water and cut lumber by whacking logs against other pieces of wood.......


Back at Fugga Fugga, Ben is told by RussHell about Ashley's desire to get rid of him........

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10. "RE: Camp Galoot"
I betcha any weak little girl that can use other trees as axes to break up fire wood can whack a flint hard enough to get a spark.

*imagines Shambo breaking Ben and RussHell like cord wood*

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40. "RE: Camp Galoot"
Aren't there supposed to be 5 more people on that tribe?
4 doing yoga + Shambo.
Maybe everyone else was fishing? cause there are so many fish in the ocean?
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11. "Something's fishy....."
Aren't we about overdue for the Reward Challenge by now?
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12. "No firewood, no water..."
...no fish -- gee, Shambo, whose fault would that last one be?

Nothing wrong with a little limbering up and mental relaxation: keep your health, sanity, and it'll potentially boost your efforts in the challenges. And since Shambo is so determined to be on the outside and get the work done, it lets the others play around.

I don't think she wants in. It would destroy her perception of herself.

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14. "Reward/Immunity Challenge"
2 members will retrieve a crate, and there is a battle zone where a defender will try to impede their progress.

After they get out of the battle zone, they go get the crate and then have to bring it back and tag the other 2 members of their tribe.

Male defenders versus 2 males of the opposing tribe, same for the females.

Once all 4 crates are back on the beach, they have to stack them up on a tower in such a way that they have no repeating colors on any of the 4 sides of the tower......

Reward: Pillows, comforters, etc. No sign of tarp.

RussHell, Yasmin, Shambo, Erik and Brent are all sitting out because this is a 6 on 6 challenge..... 3 men and 3 women needed.

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15. "Let's make a Deal"
LAST EDITED ON 10-01-09 AT 08:27 PM (EST)

Comfort vs Function.

Right now the whole tribe wants comfort in public.

Dave complaining in confessional about it.

Shambo goes to Foa Foa.

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16. "RE: Reward/Immunity Challenge"
LAST EDITED ON 10-01-09 AT 08:30 PM (EST)

Galoot built up a lead during the swimming point of the challenge. They end up winning the challenge going away.

Offer for the leader: Do you want comfort or function?

Function is pots, pans and other stuff... and RusSwell chooses comfort. Even though he's a function guy, they seem to be doing good, so he doesn't think they need the function stuff...... (ominous clouds)


Shambo will be joining Fugga Fugga for the rest of the episode as observer, and seeker of a HII that is not in the same place anymore...... as well as privately b/c about that decision, probably.

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17. "RE: Reward/Immunity Challenge"
Anyone else want the clue to read make RussHell show you where he hid it and it is yours?
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64. "RE: Reward/Immunity Challenge"
Anyone else think that down the road Shannon will either get switched to Foa Foa or flip and vote with them at merge?
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70. "RE: Reward/Immunity Challenge"
That's almost the only way we can explain their longevity.
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18. "Huh?"
Why sit RussHell out of this challenge? He's strong enough to be a decent defender (assuming he doesn't go for the most blatant of challenge throws): weird decision.

Speaking of weird decisions... *sigh* This purple tribe is not the original to fly under that color: any one of those would have grabbed the tarp in a heartbeat and taken the rest of the survival equipment as a through-the-roof bonus. This group? Half of them are looking behind Jeff to see if he's hiding a couch.

BTW, was anyone else watching Ben's face as he went after RusSwell? Enjoying himself a little too much...

Yes, in that other place, Turare is mortified.

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19. "RE: Huh?"
As far as RussHell sitting out is concerned, blame the leader of Fugga Fugga.

I find it interesting that the 2nd clue is now infering that the clue's on the ground, not up in the trees...... maybe they're trying to get that HII away from RussHell after all......


Back at Galoot, RusSwell explains his stupidity in selecting the comfort items...... and the men aren't buying the explanation, which RusSwell figured might happen...... I don't thinkg Shambo would've bought it either......

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23. "RE: Huh?"
I was thinking about Turare when Galu went for comfort instead of a shelter-improver! I'm sure that Gardner would've gone for the tarps in a heartbeat, and so would all the others (except maybe for Trina). RusSwell wasn't half as bright as the ones from your fictional Turare.

Belle Book

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20. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Looks like RussHell's lining up the troops to get rid of Ashley, including showing Mick the hiding place of his HII.
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22. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
LAST EDITED ON 10-01-09 AT 08:43 PM (EST)

Yet, at the same time Jaison is really set on getting Ben out for his racist comments and threatening to 'walk out' of Tribal Council if Ben stays. He's got Natalie and Ashley listening to him, so who knows, RussHell and Mick might not have the numbers to keep Ben. We know from her pre-show interview that Liz is disgusted with Ben.

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21. "Born to play, huh?"
LAST EDITED ON 10-01-09 AT 08:43 PM (EST)

Showing the hidden idol to multiple people isn't always the best move. That's two now -- and the odds of someone talking are at least the cube of those who know.

Oh, and RussHell may be giving the wrong party credit for making him. Note that he had trouble making eye contact with Mick there -- he's not as good a liar as he thinks he is: his body language is horrible. Of course, Shambo's telling the (self-perceived) truth about her place in her tribe, and Mick thinks she's lying...

And on further review, RusSwell still made the stupidest possible play. Cue for the rain.

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24. "RE: Born to play, huh?"
If Jaison is smart at all or knows anything about the game, he should keep in mind that after this TC, Fugga Fugga will be down 10-6 in numbers -- and there likely will be a switch coming up soon to even things out.

Don't fall for the 'get Ashley out now and Ben later' gambit!

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25. "RE: Born to play, huh?"
Jeff just reminded Jaison about the 10-6 gap......
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26. "Time to Vote"
and that means it's time to say good-bye to Shambo.

Ben and Ashley trade votes, the rest are not shown.

Natalie had to be very uncomortable during that mess........

I imagine that Jeff can't legitimately ask for the HII at TC until Fugga Fugga wins an Immunity Challenge.

Ben gets the railroad out of dodge at least 4-1.

After the segment is an ask for support for the Red Cross to help those affected by the disasters in Samoa.

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31. "RE: Time to Vote"
We didn't get an 'ask for support for the Red Cross' segment up here on the Global station channel...
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62. "RE: Time to Vote"
I imagine that Jeff can't legitimately ask for the HII at TC until Fugga Fugga wins an Immunity Challenge.

'I can't request what you're not supposed to have. Invalid idol, Russell -- bring me your torch.'

That one would sting him a bit.

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65. "RE: Time to Vote"
LAST EDITED ON 10-02-09 AT 12:03 PM (EST)

Jeff's never stated in front of the tribes that the "message" is a clue for an HII, has he?

Of course everyone would assume that's what it is, but unless the recipients share the info, which they don't have to, their tribemates wouldn't really know for sure.

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66. "RE: Time to Vote"
He hasn't, but that seems to be the general assumption around the camps. Realistically, it's a clue, a mutiny offer, or a 'I am handing you this note to make the others suspicious and get you voted out faster'.
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67. "RE: Time to Vote"
That's the thing -- if Jeff mentions the HII at TC, he’s revealing its existence to tribemembers who theoretically may not know about it, which is bad for the clue recipient if s/he either lied or kept mum about the clue’s contents.

On the other hand, he does have to clarify when the idol must be presented in the event someone has it and wants to play it.

So how will he deal with that? I guess we’ll find out when Galu goes to TC


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27. "Bye, Ben!"
4-1 with two unrevealed votes - likely also for Ben or they would have dragged out the suspense. Ben voted for Ashley.
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28. "Finally found someone to follow."
Thank you, Jaison. That TC was a near perfect illustration of what happens when intelligence tries to argue against ignorance -- and ignorance decides it's already won.

I'd give five dollars for the unedited version of that Council.

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29. "RE: Finally found someone to follow."
And Jiffy handed him the perfect opportunity to turn it around and make the big apology (might not have swayed a vote but it could have).

But the I didn't start anything I am perfect everyone just does mean things to me could have lost him any votes he did have.

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35. "Ben,,,"
Well, he has good handwriting.
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49. "RE: Ben,,,"
I was thinking the same thing..and that it was "girly" handwriting...

Gimme that dam flint...i'm sure I'd make fire....jacka$$

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30. "Final word"
I am Ben, I am your God, you are all nothing before me. Less than ants I crush beneath my feet. You will all be dead by morning without me here to give you life and food and fire.
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32. "Waiting on Ben's final confessional transcript."
I'm guessing 'sissies' was the least of what he said.

Once again (and probably over and over this season): poor Webby. He has to interview this bipedal mass of sewage. I advise heavy doses of antibiotics before and after. Possibly during.

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36. "RE: Waiting on Ben's final confessional transcript."
and pain killers, lots and lots of pain killers.

Oh and "a single (combined 40 mg short- and 60 mg long-acting) 24-hour oral dose of propranolol" as soon as the interview is written up to help reduce the PTSD.

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00645450

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37. "RE: Waiting on Ben's final confessional transcript."
I love Jaison! Great TC and awesome outcome.
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39. "Hey Squid..."
Please edit your post over on the SOTS thread.

We have a rule that all show info can only be posted on *this* thread until 11:00 pm so the West Coasters know to avoid this thread and be able to read all others until the show airs for them.

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43. "RE: Hey Squid..."
Sorry! Thanks for letting me know Pepe -- I'm a newbie.
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44. "RE: Hey Squid..."
Not a problem ... your edit still reveals 'something' about the episode, though.
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33. "Next time on Survivor"
RussHell gets fed up with Jaison, and the Galoots try to look for the HII hidden in their camp with the clues that Shambo got...... and are having no luck, including someone clotheslining themselves on either a literal clothesline or a low-lying branch.......
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41. "RE: Next time on Survivor"
Obnoxious as Ben was, we're probably going to see Foa Foa suckage at making fire very soon. There's something to be said for keeping the only person who can make fire with little flint. Someone else should, like, practice and get it down -- then vote the jerk out. Fire is life and all that rot ...
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34. "Live post-episode discussion --"
-- now begins at http://www.myinfochat.com/ in the Recreation & Sports room. Feel free to speak frankly. And take blame. Lots and lots of blame.

I'm not sure for what, but migawd, someone should.

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38. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Next week - we see Erik getting clotheslined by a tree branch (?) and I wonder if this is the "bad" medievac that was talked about in one of the other threads where Jiffy said he was really scared?
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42. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
LAST EDITED ON 10-01-09 AT 10:08 PM (EST)

could be ...
Erik's had a peculiar edit for such a strong player.
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46. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Yep and as BR/Squid brought to us in the other thread, here's the quote to keep in mind:

“It’s a physical season. We have two medical evacuations. Some people push themselves harder than their bodies can take, and our doctors are telling us that infections are spreading more now and these things are really happening. I remember James got pulled for having an infection in his finger to which I said, ‘We are going to lose one of our stars?’ And the doctor said, ‘He’s going to lose his hand,’” Probst says. “They say they are not changing their protocol but the world is changing. In Samoa we had 115 degrees every day and a period where for a week it rained nonstop and they had no water. We had one of the scariest moments ever for me on one evacuation. I was really scared.”

Combine this with Erik getting clotheslined plus having coral cuts all over ... I'm thinking perhaps the whack we saw in the previews for next week may open up an existing coral cut and add to the infection already festering.

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47. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
LAST EDITED ON 10-01-09 AT 09:32 PM (EST)

I doubt that it's serious for two reasons:

- Jeff introduces the scene as a joke: "At Galu, it's not so easy finding an immunity idol."
(A crushed larynx would be life threatening without immediate attention so it wouldn't be a laughing matter)

- You see the rope hit Erik on the shoulder first. It does glide to his neck but he's already falling backwards at the time. That would reduce the impact quite a bit.

I could be wrong but I think we would have heard something more in the line of: "At Galu, a dramatic event..."

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57. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
I could be wrong but I think we would have heard something more in the line of: "At Galu, a dramatic event..."

I agree they would preview it differently it were a serious injury. It could be that they are giving Eric an "accident-prone" edit if he eventually gets sidelined by infected coral cuts.

The order in which JP mentioned the heat and non-stop rain and *then* the scary evacuation makes me think that the putrid weather conditions, if they are not the direct cause for the evac, will at least have had an effect on the tribes by the time the evac takes place.


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68. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
I agree in principle... but as we've seen already, a lot of editing tendencies haven't played out so far this year and we already saw a medievac (Mike) happen without a single clue in the previews or hint anywhere else that it was going to happen in last week's episode.
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45. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Just dropped in to say how happy I am with that vote.
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48. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
You have that right. Not only the vote but someone standing up for their principles and Ben getting a life lesson.

PS: Where was Mick, the supposed leader, during that council? Even Liz, who was so offended by racism, didn't speak up. Let's hope it was just edited out but it seems doubtful.

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50. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
but, michel, I don't think Ben learned anything...from him not saying anything when Jiffy gave him opportunity and from his final words...can't wait to see what he says the day after on the insider and in interviews tomorrow.

Liz did make a face and Mick is playing a UTR leader role so he just let Jaison have his say.

Although he is contemptible, RussHell imho is really playing a good game. He knows how to manipulate and when to cut his losses. He showed Mick the idol to gain trust and now no one is going to go after him...at least not yet.

I'll be interested if RussHell is just flabberghasted by Jaison's whininess in the rain/cold or is there something more to it. I think its the former and from the title of Ep 4 Galoot may finally go to TC.

Woot I was right in last weeks ECST about Jaison's "him" being Ben! I have to remember to stick with my first impressions!

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51. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
"but, michel, I don't think Ben learned anything"

I agree that it will take a lot of time to sink in but he probably had never heard someone stand up to him so eloquently. It will take time to register but it may reach a few brain cells eventually.

I also agree on RussHell. He's playing like some on-line gamers I've known. Relentless, always thinking ahead.

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52. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Ben doesn't want to learn because as far as he's concerned, he already knows everything worth knowing.

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53. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Now, Betsy likes him though. Maybe he'll be adorable by the time the reunion comes along. (OK I've had too much scotch!!)
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54. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Adorable? HIM??? He was such an @$$hole that even RussHell knew he had to cut his losses. It's just about damn near impossible for any human to be more despicable than RussHell, but Ben might have achieved that. A richly deserved boot IMO.
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55. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
He's not bad he's just drawn that way.

Actually, it was a good TC, one of the best ever, and Ben totally deserved the boot, he was horrible at the social game.

With any luck having to spend time with Betsy she was able to get in his head a bit and teach him a thing or two, he just doesn't think; or maybe he settled down outside the game and was more likeable.

On the other hand from the next day stuff posted by JamesBarber he seemed in stick to his guns mode.

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56. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Pshaw. Social game is only for junior high school girly sissy types, not MANLY MEN.
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58. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Here's a nice thought: Maybe Marisa and Becky kicked his a$$ at Ponderosa and on the vacation trip that the non-Jury head on when Ponderosa starts hosting the Jury Pool.......
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59. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
PS: Where was Mick, the supposed leader, during that council? Even Liz, who was so offended by racism, didn't speak up. Let's hope it was just edited out but it seems doubtful.

They're setting up a Jaison vs. RussMole struggle. This was Jaison's battle to win. It's likely that the others voiced opinions during TC but they wanted the focus on Jaison.


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60. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
This is what Jeff had to say about Jaison in his blog last week:

Jaison is so well spoken. We don’t often have contestants that can state their case with such efficiency. However, I’m not sure his attitude is flexible enough to win this game. He has very strong opinions, which he vocalizes often and he has a hard time letting others be who they want to be. I think Jaison is approaching this game like a courtroom trial. I state my case. You state yours. A judge decides. Only problem, it doesn’t work that way out here.

My wish for Jaison would be for him to laugh a bit more, get a little dirty (actually get dirty), and try to let some of the smaller stuff go, because he is a strong presence and could last a long time.

I think they're setting up a struggle, but it might not come to a head for a while. Galu probably goes to tribal next week. For such a dysfunctional start, I think Foa Foa could be unified enough now to win some challenges. It might not even come to a head until merge when Jaison will have a huge target on his back.

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61. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Great point, CTgirl. And the preview for the next episode also sets up the Russell vs. Jaison showdown, with R getting fed up with J. Between the blog remarks you posted and next week's preview, I fear that Jaison is going to lose the battle with Russell, even though I'm rooting for him.

P.S. Congrats on your terrific SOTS and calling the Ben boot with so little info!

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63. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Thanks.

I agree that Jaison will lose the battle. Jeff has said that a nice person won't win this season and Jaison has to be one of the people he's referring to. I just hope its later rather than sooner because he's the only person worth rooting for at this point!

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69. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Also wanted to congratulate you, CTGirl on a great call this week.

I also wanted to point out that the misdirection clues per CBS were so dead wrong this week...

TV Guide was wrong:

Jaison attempts to gather support to oppose Russell, who struggles to maintain power at Foa Foa.

And in the first preview: Russell's mind games continue and Jaison recruits an army to fight him...

This is why it is getting harder and harder to predict the episodes...sadly, CBS doesn't play by the rules.

Congrats emy on speculating that Jaison was indeed thinking of Ben instead of RussHell. I was totally on board with that as well until the TV Guide came out...argh!

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73. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
LAST EDITED ON 10-02-09 AT 08:30 PM (EST)

Totally agree, FloPo, CBS played dirty with those clues. The clues were completely bogus. Add to the Russell misdirection that you quoted, the fact that the lie was supposed to turn the tribe against a harmless member, i.e. Ashley. That did not happen. BEN is the only person who paid attention; the others didn't bite. Ben is not the "tribe" - although he might think CBS got it right.

It was impossible to solve with those lame teasers. Shame on CBS.

ETA - I don't mean it was impossible to pick the boot. Clearly CT did (and I agreed with her all week, even though I did a last minute hop to Liz). I mean it was impossible to guess the story arc if one went by the clues, which were flat out "lies" from SeeBS.

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74. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
They did have Mick and Liz on board for a while though.
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75. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Still ... Mick was ready to vote out Ashley from before, and Liz was the one who told Russell about Ashley. Their open ears had nothing to do with his lie to Ben. It just didn't go down at all like the promo described, is the point. They said "the tribe" turned on the person, not some of the tribe. Without Jaison and Natalie on board, there was no tribe vs. Ashley story.


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76. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
He may lose to R but it doesn't sound like it is right away. In Ben's interview, he said that he's "buried the hatchet" with Yasmin. He said that they've "joked around" and "hung out" making it sound like Yasmin will leave soon. I think they will keep the J vs R (good vs evil) around for a couple of episodoes.

I'm a novice but I thought I read somewhere that they send those voted out to different locations or home at different times. Aren't there usually 4-5/flight rather than everyone pre-jury on the same flight?

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77. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
blueahh,
yep, they have. They've done it different ways in the past, and I've only heard about what happened on a handful. They don't send any of them back to the US until the game is over, but they usually get some kind of vacation.

However, with the budget cuts, it's possible the pre-jury stayed at the Ponderosa on Samoa (where the accommodation was paid for the duration), until the first juror arrived. The last time they had a 20 person cast (the Cooks), there were 8 non-jurors. They might send them of 4 and 4.

I would not assume that the early non-jurors necessarily have bonding time with the later group of non-jurors. We just don't know. Yasmin needs to go join Ben SOON.


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71. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
I don't think it'll come to a head just yet either. I think Galu's going to Tribal Council next week -- or maybe I just hope they are, since I want to see Liz get farther in the game!

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72. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #3 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
LAST EDITED ON 10-02-09 AT 08:29 PM (EST)

My take is that Russell's concern about the girl's alliance was smart, and will play out. I actually don't think he wants Jaison out next, because he doesn't want the women to have the dominant voting bloc.

I think Ashley will be his target, just like last week. Mick has been on board with losing Ashley since the beginning, so he won't fight it.

With Ben gone, Foa Foa will care more about who is working around camp when it comes to picking a female boot. Betsy said Ashley did the least.

Ashley is on a cruise so she is not going to do press until she gets back. Therefore cold wet soggy comfort tribe Galu very likely goes to TC.

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