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"Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
Heard about this back in March, but it just occurred to me no one has posted it here (did they?). S19 will be filmed in Western Samoa. The resort Aggie Grey's, in Apia, on Upolu Island, bumped a whole bunch of wedding guests in favor of booking the Survivor production, so the word got out. Hopping mad Kiwis hating on Survivor right now.

Sucks has a long topic on it, but so much of it is fighting between fans who like islands and fans of inland ... back and forth. Whatever, it's back on a Pacific Island, or two.

Looking forward to Dan Bollinger of Survivor Maps getting a map up ...
Unlike Fiji, with so many islands, Samoa is small, not a lot of choice.

My vote is for the uninhabited island that's a former leper colony.
The merge camp in the Cooks was also a former leper colony.
A theme?

There are a couple guys on the Sucks thread who seem to know what's up with Samoa, but I couldn't find an answer on the tribal camp locations. Soon only not yet.
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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa Georjanna 05-08-09 1
 RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa vince3 05-08-09 2
   RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa Outfrontgirl 05-08-09 3
   RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa PepeLePew13 05-12-09 9
 RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa Outfrontgirl 05-08-09 4
   RE: Shipwrecked and the Cooks Outfrontgirl 05-08-09 5
       RE: Shipwrecked and the Cooks tribephyl 05-09-09 6
       RE: Shipwrecked and the Cooks sol 05-11-09 7
           last season? Outfrontgirl 05-11-09 8
               RE: last season? Round Robin 05-14-09 10
                   RE: last season? Outfrontgirl 05-14-09 11
 Survivor Maps spoilage Outfrontgirl 05-17-09 12
 southwest Upolu Outfrontgirl 05-25-09 13
   RE: southwest Upolu tribephyl 05-25-09 14
       RE: southwest Upolu Outfrontgirl 05-25-09 15
           aganoa black sand beach Outfrontgirl 06-04-09 31
 Fagaiofu Bay Outfrontgirl 05-25-09 16
   RE: Fagaiofu Bay Georjanna 05-30-09 24
       RE: Fagaiofu Bay Outfrontgirl 05-30-09 25
           RE: Fagaiofu Bay Georjanna 06-01-09 26
               RE: Fagaiofu Bay Outfrontgirl 06-03-09 27
                   RE: Fagaiofu Bay Georjanna 06-15-09 41
 RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa VolcanicGlass 05-25-09 17
   RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa Outfrontgirl 05-25-09 18
 Taga blowholes Outfrontgirl 05-25-09 19
   RE: Taga blowholes tribephyl 05-26-09 20
       RE: Taga blowholes Outfrontgirl 05-26-09 21
           RE: Taga blowholes tribephyl 05-27-09 22
   Just wanted to say: Estee 05-27-09 23
       RE: Just wanted to say: Outfrontgirl 06-03-09 28
 RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa Outfrontgirl 06-03-09 29
   RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa Outfrontgirl 06-04-09 30
       RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa michel 06-04-09 32
           RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa Outfrontgirl 06-04-09 33
           RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa Outfrontgirl 06-04-09 34
 RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa Outfrontgirl 06-09-09 35
   RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa michel 06-09-09 36
       RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa Outfrontgirl 06-10-09 37
           RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa sol 06-10-09 38
 RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa goldenmike4393 06-12-09 39
   RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa goldenmike4393 06-12-09 40
 RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa goldenmike4393 06-24-09 42
   RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa goldenmike4393 06-24-09 43
   RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa Outfrontgirl 06-25-09 44
 RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa Outfrontgirl 06-25-09 45
   RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa michel 06-26-09 46
       RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa Outfrontgirl 06-27-09 47
       S19 concludes filming Outfrontgirl 07-19-09 48
           S19 concludes filming goldenmike4393 07-20-09 49
               RE: S19 concludes filming Outfrontgirl 07-20-09 50
                   RE: S19 concludes filming goldenmike4393 07-21-09 51
 RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa Outfrontgirl 07-21-09 52
   RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa FIRS... goldenmike4393 07-22-09 53
       RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa FIRS... PepeLePew13 07-22-09 54
       RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa FIRS... Outfrontgirl 07-22-09 55
           RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa FIRS... michel 07-22-09 56
           RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa FIRS... Georjanna 07-22-09 57
               RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa FIRS... michel 07-22-09 58
                   RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa FIRS... Georjanna 07-22-09 59
       RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa 16 C... goldenmike4393 07-23-09 60
           RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa 16 C... goldenmike4393 07-23-09 61
               RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa 16 C... Outfrontgirl 07-23-09 62
 New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo michel 08-24-09 63
   RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo Sunny_Bunny 08-25-09 64
       RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo michel 08-25-09 65
           RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo Georjanna 08-25-09 66
               RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo Georjanna 08-25-09 67
                   RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo michel 08-25-09 68
                       RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo flystorms 08-25-09 69
                           RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo michel 08-25-09 70
                               RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo sol 08-26-09 71
                                   RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo Georjanna 08-26-09 72
                                       RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo michel 08-26-09 73
                                           RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo sol 08-26-09 74
                                           RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo Outfrontgirl 08-26-09 76
                                               RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo PepeLePew13 08-26-09 79
                                           Oh, Lord! Georjanna 08-26-09 77
                   RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo vince3 08-27-09 80
 Marissa? Outfrontgirl 08-26-09 75
   RE: Marissa? Outfrontgirl 08-26-09 78

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1. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
LAST EDITED ON 05-08-09 AT 09:41 AM (EST)

The SEG Employee Incentive Program at work: Aggie Grey's Lagoon, Beach Resort & Spa

ET: Thank you, OFG, for starting the thread.

And to say that, even for an established luxury resort in a location where there are few (if any) competitors, Aggie Grey's cavalier treatment of guests with long-standing reservations required a lot of chutzpah.

It's good to know that Corinne was able to land a job in the hospitality industry, isn't it?

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2. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
If that's the next location, let's hope they can cast someone from American Samoa........ or has ancestry from Samoa.......
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3. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
Vince, no IF about it, definite.

As for casting Samoans, I suppose that depends on whether any gym rat Samoans are tending bar in those certain bars around LA where SEG does its recruiting. Or sitting on a bar stool. Either is a great qualifier, must be, by the casting track record.


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9. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
If they need a quasi-celebrity athlete as seems to be the on-again, off-again trend since Guatemala, how about Jack "The Throwin' Samoan" Thompson for the cast? He's had practically the same career as Gary Hogeboom -- and he's from American Samoa.


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4. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
A note on the weather, having looked at historical weather patterns:
Samoa is close to the equator, so even though it's going to be winter in the southern hemisphere, it will be considerably hotter than Aitutaki (Cook Islands), which got a little chilly.

The chances of rain are slim, which is fine with me, had plenty of seeing soaked castaways in Brazil. Chances of very hot, very humid days are 100%, especially in the early part of the filming.

There are a lot of sharks around the lesser islands, should they go there for the camps, or for exile.

I know people think all island locations look the same, but I love seeing water challenges, and have missed them the last two seasons.

There's a strong rumor (on Sucks) that S20 will be in the Cook Islands again, and will be some sort of All Stars configuration. There are rumors it will be the final season, although I hope not.

If they film the Cooks in the fall, it will conflict with filming for the British show Shipwrecked. When I was on Aitutaki at the end of August '06, I got to briefly say hi to the Shipwrecked producers who were already out on the motus they use, doing set up. So I'm not sure how they would work that, if Shipwrecked is a go again this year.


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5. "RE: Shipwrecked and the Cooks"
Ah, I just found an announcement that says Shipwrecked is probably axed by BBC for the next season. How convenient for SEG.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/77375/Shipwrecked-faces-the-credit-crunch-axe/


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6. "RE: Shipwrecked and the Cooks"
*gasp*
oh.

Darn, you got my hopes up for a new season of Shipwrecked. Yet, again dashed against the rocks.
I sure do miss that show.

I'm totally with you OFG, in the small minority, as one of those who like the island locales. Glad I can count on two seasons of tropical beaches. (Vicarious living)

It will be sad to say goodbye to Survivor after two more seasons, but you know how things usually go... there's some initial hold-outs and then MB caves because none of his other shows are hits and soon after JP follows suit claiming that he really does love the show (and hiding the fact that he's just not busy with anything else). Yet 10 years is a good run.
And if writers ever strike again, perhaps CBS'll fast-track a Celebrity Survivor.
Then of course, all hell will have broken open.

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7. "RE: Shipwrecked and the Cooks"
If Survivor is done after 10 seasons, then it had a good run. But since "reality shows" are still very popular, one would think it may continue. They are somewhat expensive to shoot and produce, but they still don't have to pay writers and actors, so each episode is probably less than many dramas like LOST, CSI, etc..

Games shows have had an extremely long run with no sign of being terminated. Cop shows are doing quite well, sitcoms have been around forever; but then dusters went out years ago.

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8. "last season?"
LAST EDITED ON 05-11-09 AT 09:45 PM (EST)

I hope it will continue, but there are rumors again that Jeff will be done with it. Jeff is NOT the whole show.

Yeah about game shows, look at Wheel of Fortune, but prime time game shows don't last so long. And Survivor is too expensive to shoot for a lesser viewing time.

I love Survivor and don't want it to end, just reporting there are solid rumors (whatever THAT means).

ETA
but I started this to be a location spoiling topic, not a discussion on whether Survivor can or will go on, so I hope it gets back on topic. The other topic could be on Fanatics or Bashers.


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10. "RE: last season?"
No reason this thread can't serve both purposes. Saves a thread, which them what's in charge here usually like to do whenever possible.

I don't think they'll ax Survivor after only 2 more seasons. It ain't as cheap as it used to be, and the ratings ain't as good, but it's still cheaper than much of what's on in prime time, and it's still fun.

And the Samoa location is no shock to me. They were due for another beautiful island location, and the limited chance of rain and/or typhoons saves some potential aggravation for both the crew and the contestants. I think they'll return to this type of location most of the time for however many more seasons they do for exactly that reason.

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11. "RE: last season?"
well, I was hoping the S19 location topic would gather info about the location and pre-game spoilers, and not turn into a spec thread like the one at Sucks did, which is now pages and pages of comments and opinions with very little real information.

But it's my own fault for bringing up the S20 rumors.


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12. "Survivor Maps spoilage"
LAST EDITED ON 05-25-09 AT 00:25 AM (EST)

Dan Bollinger of Survivor Maps believes the castaways will be stranded on Nu'utele, one of two smaller islands off the southeast coast of Upolu Island. Aggie Grey's Resort will be the production headquarters.

Here is Dan's link! Check out his satellite photos.
http://www.claycritters.com/map/s19/survivor_19_map.htm

ed to remove my own Nu'utele info because new rumors indicate filming will be on southwest Upolu. Leaving Dan's link, as he may update it or his original intel may turn out to be correct.

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13. "southwest Upolu"
LAST EDITED ON 05-25-09 AT 05:33 PM (EST)

TDT found a posting indicating "Return to Paradise" beach in southwestern Upolu has been closed. (see Sucks topic)

I stumbled across this today:
"the following 3 beaches (all South Upolu) will be closed for public access from May 12 through until October 4:

Matareva Beach (Lefaga)
Return to Paradise Beach (Lefaga)
Aganoa Black Sand Beach (Siumu)
"

posted by wksamoa who appears to be within Samoa.

Update 5/25 - Aganoa has been reopened.

thank you tribe, I have deleted the large map and am posting the one you resized.

Agrees with TDT's info about Return to Paradise beach and brings the beach count to the necessary 3, all within the same part of the island.
I am thinking Nu'utele is out if this is accurate.

PHOTOS

Return to Paradise Beach, Lefaga

Matareva Beach, Lefago Bay


google earth
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/5579981

Description of coast from tourism website:
http://www.pacificislandtravel.com/samoa/about_destin/upolu_south.aspSouthcoast of Upolu

The south coast of Upolu is a string of sparkling palm-fringed beaches where you can lie back and enjoy an idyllic beachcomber's lifestyle.

First up is the aptly named Return to Paradise, made famous by Gary Cooper in the film of the same name. It's not an ideal swimming beach, but then again it's not an ideal film. The pounding surf and shallow reefs make swimming a hazard, but it's a wonderfully scenic spot for a picnic.

The next beach is Matareva, a series of safe coves and shallow rock pools that make for great snorkelling.

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14. "RE: southwest Upolu"
LAST EDITED ON 05-25-09 AT 04:27 PM (EST)

Wow! Thanks OFG (and Dan...and the peep in samoa)
Great map, although I believe it might be one that pushes the blows margins.
So, I hope you don't mind but I squeezed it down a bit.

I love the possibility of having the tribes seperated onto a white sand beach versus a black sand beach.
Good and Evil?

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15. "RE: southwest Upolu"
tribe, I believe these beaches will be challenge locations. They are not wild enough to give the illusion of being stranded. The black sand beach has been reopened (just heard today).

It was the farthest away from the production camp, so perhaps that's why.
Too bad, it is gorgeous.

New info posted from VolcanicGlass at Sucks. I think she has solved it!

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31. "aganoa black sand beach"
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/2933048
on google earth


(photo by Eveline Maat)


(photo by Christian Cabre)

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16. "Fagaiofu Bay"
Volcanic Glass has found out that an undeveloped 240 acre property called Fagaiofu Bay, that was listed for sale and bought for a future resort, is definitely one of the properties leased for production.

She has marked it on this map:

Reported in the Samoa Observer (linked by VG)

http://www.samoaobserver.ws/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8307:resort-to-be&catid=50:headline&Itemid=62

Construction of the resort will be delayed until after filming. The resort will then be named "Survivor Samoa Resort." It was originally to be named after the bay.
The road in to this property is not finished, looks like. It was sold with no real road access.

It is an easy boat trip from a jetty 10 minutes north. It's 15 minutes from the production central at Aggie Grey's.

Here is the real estate listing VG posted:
http://www.worldpropertylinks.com/beachfront_for_sale_samoa.html

Photos from the listing:

Backed by difficult to traverse unspoiled land with steep terrain.

Two coves, side by side (like in the Marquesas)

this is the Big Cove viewed from the water

its south end

its north end

the small cove

The small Cove.


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24. "RE: Fagaiofu Bay"
In the Samoa Observer article that you linked above, the spokesperson for Haleck Investments Ltd says that filming 'will begin in early June and last till October'.

Too, at Sucks there is a great deal of talk about the fact that the casting process for S19 seems to have been combined with that for S20. And one poster there - guatemala fanfic - has said that the two Seasons will film back-to-back ("there will be a short break to transport supplies and get ready for 20, etc. but filming will start again in August for season 20") while another - birdseyeview - reports that Aggie Grey's has no rooms available for an August 25th, 2009 arrival.

And all of that has generated speculation at that site that there will be a link between two Seasons filmed back-to-back in Samoa.

So, I thought I'd bring my questions here:

Is "early June till October" an unusually long "filming" period for one 39-day Season (even if you begin tolling the days from the arrival of advance teams and include cleanup)? Would they film two Seasons in the same location(s) without a plot line that connected the two?

Or, assuming, for the moment, that guatemala fanfic's information is accurate, could the "short break to transport supplies" indicate that the location will change? Perhaps because the second location would be unsuitable for filming in late fall/early winter?

And I've asked the last question because I've thought for a long time that the Series will do a Survivor: The American West.

Note: Also at Sucks, birdlady suggests (I think) the possibility of a "US Survivor"

Of course, all of the information could be true and the reason for filming the Seasons so closely together/in the same location could be as mundane as the others being mentioned: scheduling conflicts, allowing the cast and crew to spend the holidays at home - or cost-cutting.

But, it's intriguing, isn't it?

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25. "RE: Fagaiofu Bay"
Georjanna,
it is more time than they need for one season.
OTOH, pre-filming in the Cooks, another summer shoot, I think there was talk about wrap-up staying quite a bit later.

Normally they shoot the next season from about November 1st to mid-December.

Weatherwise, cyclone season does begin in December, and they might want to avoid that possibility, as a cyclone is more than interesting weather; it's a disaster.

The rumors of back to back in Samoa are out there.
Sounds boring to me.
I didn't like it when they tried it with Panama.
Perhaps they got a great deal on this piece of property and wanted to lease it for both seasons.

Sucks people are ALWAYS obsessing over a US Survivor. They've been doing that for years now. I hate the idea. There's an appeal in far away remote places, global location.

When TAR did the USA it was a BAD forgettable season. I would hope Survivor would take a lesson.

Sorry to be so negative, but having lived in the American west, mostly the southwest, it doesn't seem at all exotic to me. There is a lot of bad diner food and tumbleweeds, great stuff for Quentin Tarentino films. (OK, there are cool rock formations, but I still wouldn't watch Survivor in the USA.


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26. "RE: Fagaiofu Bay"
LAST EDITED ON 06-01-09 AT 03:40 PM (EST)

OFG,

If I had my druthers, every Season of Survivor would begin with sixteen castaways stranded in a ‘faraway place with a strange-sounding name’, sunlit beaches, balmy breezes, broad sea vistas, sheer cliffs, towering backdrops, violent (but brief) storms, a bloody history and a preserved native culture. The show could have set up shop in the Hawaiian Islands on its first day and stayed there and I would be happy. I’ve only visited the Islands once (and then only Maui and Kauai), so the fact that they are one of the United States doesn’t make them any less exotic – to me.

Similarly, I’ve only traveled (by land) across the breadth of the continental United States (from West Virginia to California by a southern route and back to West Virginia by a northern one) once: in the late summer of 1955 – when I was twelve and coming of age along with John Ford/John Wayne Westerns. And I do remember the bad diner food and the tumbleweeds. And the highlight of my seven-year-old-brother’s – and the nadir of my very conventional mother’s – trip: the Nevada saloon/bordello in the middle of nowhere whose patrons and residents – gentlemen and ladies all – welcomed, fed and bedded down our lost, hungry and exhausted family of six in the wee hours of the darkest, headlight-swallowing night I’ve ever experienced.

But, that trip and those movies also introduced me to some of the most magnificent scenery (including rushing streams, pristine lakes and breathtaking waterfalls), tales of turbulent yesteryears and compelling cultures that I’ve ever seen, heard or read about. So, if the show’s producers are determined to do inland Seasons, I can’t think of a location more exotic – to me.

I’m aware, though, that however I’m sliced and diced, my demographics do not a television lineup influence. So my reasons for thinking that there will be a Survivor: The American West aren’t just prejudicial ones. But your post has convinced me that, if it ever is, it won’t be S19 or S20. So back to Samoa …

One of the primary reasons for my post was my mistaken impression that back-to-back Seasons filmed in the same location would be a first for the show. But, as you pointed out, its producers have done it before – in Panama. And the reasons – weather and/or a bargain lease agreement –that you’ve mentioned for filming the two Seasons in such rapid succession – in Samoa – make perfect sense: as does a combined application process.

Too, if they are going to film S19 and S20 in such rapid succession, I would think that concerns for their health would preclude the participation of any S19 contestants in S20 (and go a long way toward dampening the rumors of another All-Star Season at that milestone).

Whatever … it looks as though we’re about to get two Seasons at the beach – the earliest availability that popped up for my party of two (for seven days) at Aggie Grey’s website was October 3rd – and that suits me just fine.

BTW: That TAR Season was horrible (for me, more because of its children than because of its curtailment). But then TAR’s bread and butter is the illusion of immersion during a race ‘round the world while Survivor depends upon the illusion of indefinite isolation anywhere in the world.

However, in both, I hate it when they shiver.



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27. "RE: Fagaiofu Bay"
Georjanna,
your evocative prose made ME wish to see the American West. Well done!
I do love the scenery.
For me Survivor has always appealed to my Robinson Crusoe fanhood. Not to mention Swiss Family Robinson. Both books I had read repeatedly before I was ten. I like the shipwreck fantasy. Perhaps that's why the inland doesn't get me so excited.

Oh yes, the kids and the Weavers ... TAR USA would have stood a chance without that horrible family on summer vacation visiting historical US sites concept.

btw, oddly enough, I've been to a few places outside the USA, but I have never been back East, so that would be new territory for me ... (but prefer the South Pacific where my fantasies lead me ...)

I'll post something more on the S20 spec at the bottom of the topic, but want to say that Survivor didn't film in Panama back to back crunched together. There would have been about 90 days downtime. This time it would be straight through.


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41. "RE: Fagaiofu Bay"
LAST EDITED ON 06-15-09 AT 06:09 PM (EST)

Well ...

Courtesy of Crocophile and JoeJoeJunior at Sucks there is this interview of Mark Burnett (published on June 12th) in which the show's creator talks about the future of the Series (well past its 20th Season) and his 'dream' locations.

Note: None of those locations are remotely near Monument Valley ...

And this interview of Jeff Probst (published today), in which he attributes Season 19's and Season 20's 'crunched together' filming schedules to nothing more dramatic than "budget cuts" and pointedly doesn't disclose whether he intends to stay with the Series beyond Season 20 ... or no.

So, if there is going to be a plot 'hook' that ties the two Seasons together for the audience, it would appear that it will be the result of, and not the reason for, the circumstances of location and filming schedule.

PS: I've lived 'back East' all of my life. And while it has its own distinctively captivating vistas - folkloric and geographic - in my opinion your preference for the South Pacific (with the exception, of course, of the Great Smoky Mountains in the Fall) is not misguided.

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17. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
I love a nice collaborative spoiling session.

It was the original discovery of production HQ which had me looking for locations in Western Upolu, focusing on the less developed southern coast. TDT's find about Paradise Beach, followed by the find about closed beaches made independently by OFG and Dani (at Skills), were great confirmation.

In addition to the information already posted here, I would add that while Upolu might be the main area of operations, there are certainly areas of Savai'i which could be used for possible rewards. samoasharkk, a poster at Sucks, reported that the Canopy Walk at Falealupo has been closed for construction and that the land around the Taga Blowholes has been leased for the production.


For those who like to explore these things, I posted at Sucks a quick review of the location shots from the preview. With the disclaimer that some of these shots are probably just filler shots, it is possible that we might see some of these locations on the show. If nothing else, they tend to support the conclusion that both islands are likely to be used during filming.

BOULDERS on Upolu
Looks like a great surfing spot, but no distinguishing marks. Google research indictes these are some of the best surfing sites on Samoa:
Upolu: Boulders - Nu'usafe'e Island
Savaii: Aganoa - Satuiatua - Fagamalo
The best candidate, comparing other photographs for color of water and size of wave, appears to be Boulders. Then again, it's water. Blue water.

TAGA Blowholes on Savai'i
These three sequences are featured in quick succession, so likely all from the same area. The last one is indeed the Taga Blowholes.
Per samoasharkk, land has been leased to production.

Unidentified Beach/Cove
Doesn't seem to match any of the known beaches, including Fagaiofu Bay, though it is possible that the existing pictures of Fagaiofu are dated. Could be a throwaway shot or a tribal beach. TBD.

SOPOAGA FALLS on Upolu
There are many, many waterfalls on both islands. There's even a sliding waterfall that looks tremendous fun, so it's impossible to say which may end up being used on the show. The one featured here is Sopoaga Falls on Upolu.

Unidentified location
Beautiful unspoiled land. Pretty shot, they might fly over it to get to a reward location. Anyone want to take a crack at comparing mountain profiles?

LALOMANU BEACH on Upolu
Distinctive island in the background. Fairly developed, probably will not be used.

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LAST EDITED ON 05-25-09 AT 07:44 PM (EST)

VG, so glad you showed up! PLEASE stick around.

I love how you found the real estate listing. Was that old, as it seems this company has now bought the land?

I wonder what they can possibly want with the Blowholes.
Having said that, what a dramatic backdrop it would make for TC.
No idea if it's practical to go to the south coast of Savai'i for TC, but the visuals would be special.

I'm thinking the sliding rocks will be a reward. Nice action shot potential.

ETA Youtube link of sliding rocks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPmPtKWB7pM&feature=related


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19. "Taga blowholes"
LAST EDITED ON 05-25-09 AT 07:45 PM (EST)

Why would they lease the blowholes, if it is just scenery?
For one reward, say, would they need a lease?

Video clips

http://www.findinternettv.com/Video,item,679265345.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPiajc3TFCg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHI5wtV5-e4


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20. "RE: Taga blowholes"
Valid question for sure, OFG...
Really, why lease the land?
Although, I can think of one good reason, to keep everyone else off.
It's one thing to paddle up to a cameraman taking action shots of spewing water, probably not to out of the ordinary to see a small group lunching by them either.

I'm thinking something of "value" must happen here. Might the blowholes resemble a sort of exile island? Or could tribal council be constructed with the blowholes as backdrop?

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21. "RE: Taga blowholes"
ooh, I had thought of TC (see above), but not exile. It would be harsh on the lava.

TC, they would have to light it up outside, because it would be dark. Not sure if that would look right. What do you think? They haven't done a cool TC setting in awhile.

In the Cooks, they built a ship, which was a cool set, but the spot they put it in was merely a bit of muddy swampland along a deserted coastline. I visited it after filming.


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22. "RE: Taga blowholes"
For dramatic TC backdrops, the falls in the Australian Outback still reigns supreme.
However, I really can't think of a Tribal Council filled with as much drama as a half dozen or so blowholes going off behind a half dozen or so blowhards, promises to be.

Even I believe Exile is a stretch...it would indeed be a really severe environment for solitary confinement. But I can hope can't I?

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23. "Just wanted to say:"
Taga Blowholes would be the best tribe name ever.

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28. "RE: Just wanted to say:"
It sure would, and Coach should be on it, and Shane, if they do an All Stars.
They would be a funny pair. For comic relief, add Bruce from Panama. Perhaps on that tribe he could avoid the repeat medi-vac for non-evacuation.


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29. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
Just to consolidate information coming from Samoa forums, I have heard filming inclusive of September, and closures through Oct 4th. Add to that Georjanna not being able to get a room at Aggie's until the 3rd of October.

Normal season, concludes first week of August. Note: they could start earlier, as they had the closures beginning May 1st, so they could maybe bump it up and start before late June (normal start time).

Add one-two weeks transition and say 40 days (for easy math), and they can wrap a second season by end of September.

OTOH, there is ZERO reason for them to be there through September if they aren't shooting S20.

I don't know that they care whether S19 cast is included in an All-Stars. They are probably good to go, and if anyone GREAT emerges they can give them a slot. They would know by halfway through if the player was a keeper. Yes, it would be real hard on the player to eat like mad for a couple weeks and then starve again.

I just do not see them pulling off a repeat location unless they have a hook that focuses on the cast.

I am not happy about them repeating locations back to back, not at all. I don't care how cool Samoa is; I always am ready for some sort of change, another island group, another culture.


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30. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
thanks to wksamoa, info paraphrased from a paid notice in the Samoa paper:

"On page 19 of today's (Wednesday, May 6th) Samoa Observer there is an ad from Talofa Ltd (whoever that is) saying that the following 3 beaches will be closed for public access from May 12 through until October 4 !!

Matareva Beach
Return to Paradise Beach
Aganoa Black Sand Beach

I think I removed the black sand beach photo because it was supposedly opened up again. Oh well. Will repost it.


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32. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
Is it possible that an overseas production of Survivor would be using the same location once S19 was finished filming? Survivor South Africa used the Pearl Islands location.


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33. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
Not really, because the resort to be called Survivor Samoa Resort said in its press release that Survivor is leasing the property through early October. Also Aggie Grey's, which is the production headquarters for SEG, is booked through Oct. 3rd.

Also, the three public beaches are closed until October 4th.

Another production following would need to use all the same resources. Besides which, there is no reason for the resort not to mention it if they have a second TV production coming in, as it's all the more PR for them to trade on.

The closures are continuous. Just doesn't sound like another production.
Plus all the rumors coming in from spoilers who have Survivor connections, say they have heard back to back Samoa. This is independent of the information coming from the people in Samoa.


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34. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
some press, not the paid notice on beach closure that was published on pg 19.

Samoa Observer

Calendar sensitive portion:
Industry sources say the resort belong to the Survivor series from June to the end of September.
Beaches at Lefaga, including the well-known ones of Return to Paradise and Matareva have also been taken over by the makers of
the series for three months.


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35. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
Volcanic Glass posted this link to a new Probst interview where he confirms the back to back, in context of discussing his new show.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06092009/tv/stayin_alive_173341.htm

Excerpt:
By MAXINE SHEN
June 9, 2009

Turns out that be cause Probst is shooting two seasons of Survivor back to back -- he's currently in Samoa, gearing up for the 19th season of the competition show -- he "can't even start shooting <'Live for the Moment'> until the end of September, when I'm back from double duty on 'Survivor.' The earliest I could have episodes done would be January."


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36. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
Thanks for staying on top of this OFG.
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37. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
LOL, and I thank Volcanic Glass. (most of the Sucks folks couldn't stay on a topic if they were nailed to it.)


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38. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
(most of the Sucks folks couldn't stay on a topic if they were nailed to it.)

Well said OFG.

For a few seasons I followed Survivor News, and then TDT. At some point I joined Fans of Reality TV, but found FORT to be a lot of inexperienced "children". I lurked Sucks, but never felt like it was something I wanted to be a part of.

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39. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
LAST EDITED ON 06-12-09 AT 01:49 PM (EST)

For anyone who cares, filming WILL BEGIN ON 6/15/09 in anticipation of back-to-back Survivor 19 and 20 per TDT.

Yeah!

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40. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
LAST EDITED ON 06-12-09 AT 01:50 PM (EST)

ORIGINAL POST CORRECTED.

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42. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
June 23, 2009: A local tour guide pops in to update potential
travelers that Survivor's filming in Samoa is not signicantly
interfering with tourists' sightseeing abilities:

TAKEN FROM TRIPVISOR WEBSITE:

" CrazyIslandboy
SAMOA
Joined: Jun 2009
Posted on: 5:31 pm,yesterday (6/23/09)

The survivor filming only closed two beaches in whole of Samoa. They are Return to Paradise and Matarewa Beach both at Lefaga.

There is a small beach on the south coast called Iliili beach resort where the loosers stay.

There are a lot of beautiful beaches and places to visit in Samoa without visiting these 3 beaches. They could not take over Aganoa Black Sand Beach so that is good news because it is one of my favourite beaches in Samoa."

(Ed. note: Ponderosa-dwelling ex-contestants, wave to the nice people with cameras!) LOLOLOL This could be Day 10 with the 4th Boot tomorrow night at TC.

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43. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
Here's the link:

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g294137-i5760-k2825389-o20-Survivor_in_Samoa-Samoa.html

I think we should ask CrazyIslandboy to describe the folks at the Ponderosa.

Ha!

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44. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
hey goldenmike,
thanks so much for the updates!
I was subscribed to that TA topic but the email notification failed me again.
Many thanks.

That doesn't account for the beaches at the to be build resort VG posted about (see above, Fagaiofu Bay). Those beaches were never "open" to the public so maybe that's why the tour doesn't consider them.

wksamoa on Thorntree has confirmed those beaches, with mangrove swamp area, are being used by production. Plus the article quoting the Fagaiofu buyers said explicitly they are leasing to Survivor.

I still think they would use the "beauty" beaches for challenges and the undeveloped more raw area to the southwest for tribal beaches, but apparently the beauty beaches would work as tribal as they have about a mile between them and the road. The Fagaiofu acreage is much more land though with much harder access (no road).

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/User_file
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45. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
LAST EDITED ON 06-25-09 AT 10:20 PM (EST)

I forgot to come over and update the news from wksamoa ... which complements what goldenmike posted:

The Samoa Sunday Observer newspaper today confirms that two seasons will be shot back to back here in Samoa. I was already wondering why apparently more locations are being explored or even prepared; Aganoa Black Sand Beach at Siumu and a not yet opened new resort at the Upolu West Coast, quite close to Aggie's resort. Mangroves there and different from the Lefaga and Siumu beaches. But as I am not familiar at all with the Survivor format I did not know if all participiants stay at one place all the time (which would make more sense to me) or are moving around or they start at different locations at first.
Never mind - so there will be two Survivor Samoa.
..............

Matareva Beach and Return to Paradise Beach are quite close to each other but really separated at the same time. Quite challenging to get from one to the other even though there are not more than a mile apart. Ideal for setting up two tribes. Later on they might merge at one of these locations or they go to the third beach at Siumu. The resort I mentioned would be perfect as a secluded place for the ones being outcasted.
..............
Yes, that is the resort at Fagaiofu Bay (note from OFG: meaning the not yet opened resort he mentioned above). It is secluded as it is only accessible on one road (many Mangroves around). I would not call it remote though - less than ten minutes drive from the main road. Maybe they will use it for the second season as well.

The two beaches are about 2 miles from the main road. Dense vegetation, at least in some parts, but I would never call it a jungle."

There is a conflict in the information, because wksamoa says they closed Aganoa, then reopened, then closed. That is the "Siumu" beach he mentioned. The other two mentioned by him and CrazyIslandBoi are at Lefaga. CIB says that Survivor couldn't get Aganoa. Wonder who is right? That is the black sand beach (photo posted above).


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46. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
Maybe both are partly right: Survivor couldn't get that beach for the whole time but managed to reserve it for a few days, a few challenges.
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47. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
Don't know ... they closed it for awhile but that was before filming began and it reopened before filming.

The tour guy hints at them having some trouble getting control of it.

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48. "S19 concludes filming"
Final Tribal council should be tonight!

Notes on locations:
From travelers on Upolu during the shoot, Aganoa black sand beach was open.
The Taga Blowholes on Savai'i were not the TC, as people visited them, same with the Canopy walk.

There is a rumor that they may shoot S20 on Savai'i.
I hope they do as a new look would help compensate for repeating the same country.


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49. "S19 concludes filming"
Contestants are boarding the plane. I hope some flight attendant spoils some info!
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50. "RE: S19 concludes filming"
Someone get down to LAX and check out international arrivals tomorrow and Wednesday.


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51. "RE: S19 concludes filming"
One season, someone spoiled the entire boot order. I can only wish...

Yes, get over to the airport this morning. I think the airlines from Somoa to LAX is HAWAIIAN AIR.

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52. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa"
LAST EDITED ON 07-21-09 AT 04:06 PM (EST)

If anyone did want to go to the airport, it would almost certainly be
Air New Zealand flight 26
Departs: 11:59p Faleolo (APW) Monday
Arrives: 1:40p Los Angeles (LAX) Tuesday

It's the only nonstop out of Apia. Everything else takes about 36 hours transit and has a long layover in either Auckland or Fiji.

The TC was July 19th but there are no non-stops on Sunday, and even the flight to Auckland leaves at 8:55, which is just too early to be done with the Final TC when it doesn't get dark right now until after 7 pm. They do TC's at night.

I would guess either the flight left Monday or will leave tonight on the Tuesday flight. The only reason I'd think they'd possibly leave a day later is that Tuesday night flight was sold out when I checked last week, but Monday's flight had seats at the time although they did sell out later.

If I lived in LA I would have been tempted to go check out whatever the first exit is after customs.


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53. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa FIRST CONTESTANT SPOILER"
We would hate to hear you caused some disturbance

From TDT:
1st Contestant Spoiler for Survivor: Samoa # 19! PARTY TIME!!

I recieved this tip from a very reliable source who's given me 100% on. the. mark. Spoilers in the past - she'll be coming home tomorrow.

Season 19 Contestant:
Ashley Trainer
22-year-old Female from Minnesota


She was cast by Jennifer Cron (casting associate) who told her not to mention any of her connections to previous cast members during interviews & told her to delete her facebook & myspace.


She removed her facebook once cast, but here are pictures of her with former cast members. In the group photo she is on Eric Sanchez's lap in the center of the picture. http://twitter.com/AsheeTrain

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54. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa FIRST CONTESTANT SPOILER"
Well, that'll help confirm things, saying "Excited for the journey of a lifetime tomorrow" on June 2nd and then not posting again.

Jeez, another person sent by a casting agency for the show.

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55. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa FIRST CONTESTANT SPOILER"
Thanks!
The photo doesn't come up on the twitter link for me, but then I don't twitter.
Does one have to be logged in? Or did she take the photos down?

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56. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa FIRST CONTESTANT SPOILER"
TDT has a picture of her posted on his Survivometer and a little more info on her when you click on the picture:

http://truedorktimes.com/survivor_samoa/survivometer19.htm

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57. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa FIRST CONTESTANT SPOILER"
LAST EDITED ON 07-22-09 AT 10:26 PM (EST)

If you follow this link on TDT's 'Meter' page back to DanieuBleau's original post to Survivor Skills the pictures are there.

And they're interesting ...

G

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58. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa FIRST CONTESTANT SPOILER"
At least, she's a fan.
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59. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa FIRST CONTESTANT SPOILER"
At least, she's a fan.

Of something ...

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60. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa 16 CONTESTANTS 39 DAYS ONE SURVIVOR...."
Yes, cut back to 16 not 18 contestants... We will see.

Two tribes: Savaii and Upolu (was going to be Matavai but that
changed for some reason).

Interesting to see modifications. Flexibility is the key when
shooting two back-to-back

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61. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa 16 CONTESTANTS 39 DAYS ONE SURVIVOR...."
Survivor all-stars cast may include Coach, Fairplay, Rupert, Ozzy, Parvati, Cirie

Survivor 20 ğ
by Andy Dehnart / July 22, 2009, 12:09 PM

Everyone’s having fun compiling their own lists of who they want to appear on Survivor’s 20th season and third all-star season, which starts production in August, but a list of potential cast members has leaked thanks to the person that leaked the initial confirmation: former cast member Coby Archa.

He posted a list to Survivor Sucks that includes those who “were asked, said yes and have the best shots of getting on.” There are 23 people on the list, and Coby noted about 30 were interviewed. The season will probably have 20 at most, so at least three of these people won’t make it, and there maybe other additions.

I hope this list is total bullshit and/or the producers wise up
because I can’t imagine suffering through a season of Johnny Fairplay (he quit the second time they brought him back, so why again?), Coach, and Sierra. And Ozzy and Parvati and Amanda and Stephenie and James again? Please. That’d be an epic casting fail. How about people we may not have seen in a while but remember fondly? Peih-Gee Law? Colleen Haskell? Elisabeth Filarski Hasselbeck?

Of course, the fact that I’m already irritated validates the whole point of an all-star season: you get viewers invested before the show even starts. And a huge part of the problem of doing all-stars again is that not everyone will say yes, and thus you tend to get the attention-starved ones who have nothing better to do with their lives. And I look forward to perhaps someday interviewing them now that they’ve read this.

Here’s Coby’s list of 23, which I organized by the first season on which the potential cast members appeared; some showed up for both the season eight all-stars and fans versus favorites:

Survivor Australia: Jerri Manthey and Tina Wesson
Survivor Africa: Tom Buchanan
Survivor Amazon: Jenna Morasca
Survivor Pearl Islands: Rupert, Johnny Fairplay, and Sandra
Survivor Vanuatu: Twila Tanner
Survivor Palau: Stephenie LaGrossa and Tom Westman
Survivor Panama: Cirie Fields and Shane Powers
Survivor Cook Islands: Ozzy Lusth and Parvati Shallow
Survivor China: Jean-Robert Bellande, James Clement, and Amanda
Survivor Micronesia: Natalie Bolton
Survivor Gabon: Randy Bailey, Ace Gordon, and “Sugar”
Survivor Tocantins: Sierra Reed and Benjamin “Coach” Wade

Read more: http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_20/2009_Jul...

NOTHING FROM THAILAND???

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62. "RE: Survivor 19: Western Samoa 16 CONTESTANTS 39 DAYS ONE SURVIVOR...."
Mike,
I appreciate you posting, but this is the S19 topic. We have a topic for S20 cast. Why is this posted here? Can we please keep this a Parvati-free topic?

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63. "New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo"
LAST EDITED ON 08-24-09 AT 09:07 PM (EST)

Just saw this so I'll put it here since I don't have vidcaps:

The cast will have 20 members, and one guy "could be the biggest Survivor villain ever". (Yeah right!)
A guy says: "I can control what they think."
A woman contestant adds: "He could be the devil incarnate."

We get close-ups of 7 or 8 contestants and a look at a challenge.


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64. "RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo"
The cast will have 20 members, and one guy "could be
the biggest Survivor villain ever".

That's code for "stay tuned for the biggest. letdown. ever. in the history of Survivor.

A guy says: "I can control what they think."

Ok, so is MB going to actually play this game?


A woman contestant adds: "He could be the devil incarnate."

Further proof of MB playing the game?

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65. "RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo"
TDT has some vidcaps of the cast in their tribes, the Yellow Foa Foa and the Purple Galu (?).

http://www.truedorktimes.com/survivor_samoa/spoilers/index.htm

And, this may be the devil!

First impression: It's a good looking, young cast. Have we ever seen that before? They seem younger than Tocantins and certainly Gabon, perhaps Cook Island's average age.

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66. "RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo"
And, this may be the devil!

If he is, indeed, then we might want to think Kenny ... on copious steroids.


Just takin' a break from another composition ...

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67. "RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo"
LAST EDITED ON 08-25-09 AT 06:04 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 08-25-09 AT 05:44 PM (EST)

Another thought ...

In the Fifteen-Second Promo for S19 (at Survivor Phoenix), the voice-over advertises "The biggest Survivor", 'Huge Secrets' and that 'Size Matters'.

So, I wonder if 'There are 20 of us' - a number that would not make Samoa 'The biggest Survivor' - could be a red herring and that Samoa's cast will ultimately include two returning, or two celebrity, players: for a total of 22.

ETA: Perhaps Eddie George (for one)? Probst was pushing him pretty hard about Samoa at the Tocantins reunion.

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68. "RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo"
No, I don't think there will be more than 20 for various reasons:

- We knew about returning players in Guatemala by this time. I think we were still speculationg that it would be Steph and Skupin but we knew about the extra 2.

- Returning players are next season.

- Celebrities are simply included in the cast. Taj for example.

- The CBS site has 20 little green peeps waiting to be identified

TDT reported a spoiler from Survivor2009, saying: "guys, I know for a FACT that Survivor Samoa will have 20 contestants. dont ask me how i know cuz i obviously cant say, but it has 20 contestants for sure."

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69. "RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo"
I can't believe that we're almost 3 weeks before the season starts and nobody has spoiled or figured out anyone on this cast yet. Wow! We must be getting older, huh?
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70. "RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo"
Many long time spoilers have quit the game so that explains part of the situation but we do have 4 peeps spoiled:

Yellow:
Ashley Trainer 22 a student from MN
Betsy Bolan 48 a police officer from NH
Russell Hantz (the devil!) 38 a Tankerer (?) from Tx

Purple:
Monica Padilla 25 Law Student, wannabee actress from CA

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71. "RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo"
According to TDT, Russell Hantz was 'suggested ' by Boo Bernis, who was not a bad guy at all ... just in the wrong tribe in the wrong season, but a decent enough person. And he recommended James, who fans consider one of their all time favorites.

Hantz may well be the devil incarnate, or he may be another decent guy, I'll wait until the season starts before I make that kind of judgment.

He is a big guy, but so was James, and size may matter when it comes to being a tankerer. I'm more curious about what a tankerer is rather than is he evil at this time.

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72. "RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo"
I'm more curious about what a tankerer is rather than is he evil at this time.

Sol,

This was posted by birdlady (at Sucks):

So looks like big guy is a barge tankerer? Not trucking. The company is a member of American Waterways Operators, and seems to sometimes call itself "Hantz Marine Management" ... So maybe he knows useful things about being around water, which would be good on an island.

So, I suppose he is a hauler of gases or liquids (rather than dry goods) on rivers (rather than roads).

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73. "RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo"
"I suppose he is a hauler of gases"

That may be a problem in a shelter! I mean, thank you for the info G.

Sol, I don't know if he is the evil one, just that the promos talk about the biggest villain ever, he has the quote about mind control and right after there's that woman's comment.

I'll be waiting with an open mind to see him in action and, while he may be a great guy he could also be as slow as Boo and James were. Then his evilness could be more like a joke.

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74. "RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo"
Thanks G ... loved your comment Michel.

Michel - I watched the UTube clip a couple times, and I think we are agreeing here, the comment of mind control followed by the comment about devil incarnate is probably just another editing trick to mislead.

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76. "RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo"
Another Kevin Spacey ID at first sight moment here ... my very first thought when I saw the photo.

I root for him to be the devil incarnate because hey, he is Keyser Soze, the big scary guy is just misdirection!


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79. "RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo"
He'll be one of my favourites on the show -- and hopefully he can pull off a Keyser Söze-esque performance to pull the wool over everyone else in the game and ride a long way in the game with the same kind of ruthlessness.
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77. "Oh, Lord!"
Someone's stolen my identity!


I couldn't have said that ...

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80. "RE: New Survivor 19 Samoa Promo"
Maybe 'The Biggest Survivor' refers to the size of one or more contestants?

Considering the image of Samoans are of them being rather hefty, it would be appropriate......

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75. "Marissa?"
There is a comment post on a Phoenix video on Youtube

Hey everyone should root for my cousin... she is the one in the orange, the last one speaking!!!! Her name is MARISA and she is amazing.....should be a good season

The poster is tlpobanz (and it is easy to find out that she's a legitimate person and not a prankster, but in respect of her privacy that's all I say).


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78. "RE: Marissa?"
LAST EDITED ON 08-26-09 AT 11:24 PM (EST)

Marisa Calihan

Here is Marisa Calihan's Facebook photo:

It seems she graduated in 2000 from Cincinnati's Creative & Performing Arts High School, because there is someone of her name who did on Classmates, AND there is a Cincinnati TV interview with her as a witness to a police chase gone bad:
http://www.wlwt.com/video/4701273/index.html

She's about midway through the video.

In running a search after I tracked down her last name in a convoluted fashion, I found a post referencing that she had already been spoiled on Sucks. Funny. She wasn't on TDT yet so I didn't realize. Oh well.


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