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"Regarding Terry's Hidden Idol Reveal"
ElroyJetson 586 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-06, 09:30 AM (EST)
 
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"Regarding Terry's Hidden Idol Reveal" |
It will be interesting to see how Terry's reveal will play out. If he had to reveal that would indicate he did not win immunity. Given the reveal, Casaya probably won't vote for him even though he does not have immunity. Otherwise they'd lose a member. I wonder if he SHOWED it to them?How can Casaya force him to use it w/o taking unpredictable damage? Can you think of a way? If I were Casaya, I would pick off everyone else on La Mina except Terry. When it is 6-1, Casaya should secretly give 4 votes to Terry and 2 votes to the lowest ranking Casaya. If the vote were held now, the vote could go: Danielle Votes Terry
Courtney Votes Terry
Aras Votes Bruce
Shane Cotes Bruce
Cirie Votes Terry
Bruce Votes Terry Terry votes Shane or Aras but it does not matter. Terry uses immunity idol and lowest ranking Casaya, Bruce, goes home 2-1. This assumes Terry didn't win immunity that week. The hidden idol has some serious power... -- Elroy Jetson
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ElroyJetson 586 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-06, 10:43 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: Regarding Terry's Hidden Idol Reveal" |
Interesting idea BR.I was thinking about the 3-3 idea but forgot about the revote aspect. I figured Terry and <unnamed opponent> would go directly to a tie-break challenge and that would not guarantee Terry using the idol. So, in the revote, who votes? Everyone revotes for either Bruce or Terry, correct? As a matter of fact, they could target the other La Mina in this scenario and send them packing, right? Two birds with one stone. -- Elroy Jetson
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03-31-06, 11:00 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: Regarding Terry's Hidden Idol Reveal" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-31-06 AT 12:37 PM (EST)Changing this post because I misunderstood what you meant. Yes, they could absolutely vote 3-3 for Terry and Sally (or whoever) and Sally would end up leaving and the idol would be out of play. Even better. Or they could vote Terry 4, Sally 2, with Shane (or whoever) getting 2 from La Mina. Terry would have to play the idol to avoid leaving, so we are left with a tie between Sally and Shane. On the revote all of Casaya (minus Shane) votes for Sally; Terry (minus Sally) votes for Shane. Same thing -- Sally goes home, and the idol is out of play. Casaya should be smart enough to figure this out when it gets down to eight. So they are thwarted only if Terry wins regular immunity. I wonder if Terry is smart enough to figure this out as well.
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ElroyJetson 586 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-06, 02:16 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Regarding Terry's Hidden Idol Reveal" |
Me like 
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03-31-06, 02:53 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Regarding Terry's Hidden Idol Reveal" |
Ooooooh, me too.And perhaps this is what is meant by Courtney's or Danielle's comment about them changing the whole game. Elroy, I'm confused about your first post. I'll have to respond directly to it. 
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03-31-06, 02:27 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Regarding Terry's Hidden Idol Reveal" |
True, but Terry went about it in a universally stupid way. He offered final 5 to Bruce (Hey, we'll bring you in and you can be bottom rung of OUR alliance instead of theirs!). And THEN he turned around and offered the same thing to Shane and Cerie - without including Bruce. All those three had to do was have a conversation, which I'm sure did happen since they were all so paranoid about Bruce, and it had to be obvious to Bruce that Terry wasnt completely on the up and up with him if he's making other offers that dont include Bruce.
And well, Cerie IS sitting pretty where she is. There was no flipping her, but they might have gotten Bruce had Terry not been such a numbskull about how he went about it. He could have somehow made it clear to Bruce that if he went with them he'd be an equal member of their group (or higher up the ladder than others) and make it clear that if it came to a tie, that Casaya would be on the losing end, not them. Now that IS an offer that could have swayed Bruce.
The one he put out there - Bruce would have had to be stupid to take it.
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samboohoo 17173 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-06, 03:04 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Regarding Terry's Hidden Idol Reveal" |
"It will be interesting to see how Terry's reveal will play out. If he had to reveal that would indicate he did not win immunity. Given the reveal, Casaya probably won't vote for him even though he does not have immunity. Otherwise they'd lose a member. I wonder if he SHOWED it to them?"I'm confused. If he wins immunity, he can transfer his to Sally or Austin, so Casaya doesn't have to lose a member yet.
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04-01-06, 02:00 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: Regarding Terry's Hidden Idol Reveal" |
First, thanks for the invite Elroy.
I'd be glad to explain myself more here.It will be interesting to see how Terry's reveal will play out. If he had to reveal that would indicate he did not win immunity.
Not necessarily true. He doesn't have to be without immunity in order to reveal that he found the HiddenIdol.
In fact, as indicated by his playing style so far, he'd be quite apt to reveal that he has the idol.
In his mind he's spreading confusion around.
Which at first will be the result, but once the Casaya 6 have the chance to absorb the information they will find a way to get him to use it before the F4. (Which was his original strategy, by the way.) Given the reveal, Casaya probably won't vote for him even though he does not have immunity. Otherwise they'd lose a member. I wonder if he SHOWED it to them?
Even if he doesn't actually physically show them the idol, the fact that he said anything at all about it will spread like wild-fire. Some won't believe it, but it won't stop the Casaya 6 from trying to formulate plans to get him to use it earlier than he wants to.
Truthfully, they don't even have to vote for him this week to get him to use it. As JP had mentioned the HiddenIdol is transferrable. If anyone mentions voting to boot Austin, Terry may feel compelled to give the HI to Austin. Giving Casaya a chance to just boot Sally. (And Visaversa with giving Sally the HI and booting Austin.) The only time the Casaya 6 may lose a member is when the LaMina's are down to 2 and Sally(Austin) have won the immunity (or Terry has and he donates his HI to the remaining LaMina). Or when Terry wins the F6 immunity. How can Casaya force him to use it w/o taking unpredictable damage? Can you think of a way? If I were Casaya, I would pick off everyone else on La Mina except Terry. When it is 6-1, Casaya should secretly give 4 votes to Terry and 2 votes to the lowest ranking Casaya.
This is one way.
There is another.
It depends on the immunity necklace though.
If the LaMina's are down to 2. Casaya splits their 6 votes, 3 each to Terry and Sally(Austin). The tie would force Terry to use his HI while the the remaining votes would be for the other member of his alliance. Only 2 votes for whomever Terry and Sally(Austin) voted for so the other LaMina is doomed to make the walk of shame AND Terry has been tricked into using his idol.
The hidden idol has some serious power...
It did when no one knew who had it. But, since Terry reveals he has it, it will become quite easy for the Casaya6 to trick him into using it. And they won't even need to suffer for it.
By the way...
I have a gift for you elroy.
You likey? 
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ElroyJetson 586 desperate attention whore postings
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04-03-06, 11:10 AM (EST)
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25. "RE: Regarding Terry's Hidden Idol Reveal" |
TribeGlad you could make it over here! And thanks a million for the sigpic! I haven't used one for awhile and never got around to setting another one up. In his mind he's spreading confusion around. Given Terry's lack of strategic thinking, I am afraid you are right. If I were him I wouldn't mention it until I did not have immunity so I could help ensure the other tribe would not vote for me and force me to use it. There is another.
It depends on the immunity necklace though. Definitely, the tie vote would force the use of the HII. BR discussed that in post #4. As JP had mentioned the HiddenIdol is transferrable. Personally, I think Terry would be nuts to transfer it to a tribemate. The numbers gap is too great to overcome at this point. I'd let them pagong my allies and then hope for the best (play the Danni role) when Casaya has to start thinking about destroying itself.
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04-03-06, 05:51 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: Regarding Terry's Hidden Idol Reveal" |
OK, how might this have worked (pre-Nick vote):Grab Bruce and pull him aside. Show him the immunity idol after telling him how much you like him, brak, brak, brak. "Listen Bruce, I want to make you an offer. Tonight the four of us are going to vote for Shane. If you come over and vote with us (5-5 vote) and maybe pull somebody with you (6-4 vote), we'll bring you into our group. If you don't vote with us, we'll target you with our next vote. If your group then happens to vote out the player with the HII, you'll be the one going home." It's not the greatest plan in the world, but maybe one of you can find a way to twist my logic into something more coherent. 
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04-04-06, 01:59 AM (EST)
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33. "RE: What would you do if you had the HII ?" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-04-06 AT 02:02 AM (EST)This is good material for the 'What If' thread, I think. Personally, I would have used the HII as a bribe. This scenario assumes that 1) I'm Terry, 2) Spoilers are correct and I win all Immunity Challenges except F3, 3) Everything goes according to planned. In F10, I promise both Bruce and Sally a position in F3. I also have Sally rally for a female alliance with Cirie, Danielle, and Courtney, asking them to vote off Austin (a La Mina, to avoid suspicion). At TC, La Mina + Bruce vote off Shane (5 votes); Aras and Shane vote off Nick (2 votes); Cirie, Danielle, and Courtney vote off Austin per Sally's request (3 votes). Shane goes home. At F9, I use the HII as a bribe to Bruce. "Stay with us, and I'll give you the HII". I also start befriending Sally at this stage. 5 votes Casaya member, 4 votes La Mina. I give the HII to Bruce. F8, F7, F6 - Three Casaya women are voted off. F5 - I tell Bruce that we're voting off Nick/Austin. At TC, 4 votes Bruce, 1 vote Nick/Austin. Nick/Austin out using HII. F4 - Make sure that I'm exiled. Vote off Bruce. F3 - Sally, Terry, Austin/Nick. If my befriending Sally pays off, she'll take me to F2 if she wins (but probably not). At the very least, I'll have to outlast Nick/Austin in the endurance challenge (which I've done before, at F10) to get to F2. I'm sure this is a VERY flawed scenario (which is why assumption #3 is in place). But it's how I think I'd play it out.
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04-04-06, 09:52 AM (EST)
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34. "RE: What would you do if you had the HII ?" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-04-06 AT 10:41 AM (EST)I do think Terry may use the HII as a bribe this week to try to get Bruce and Cirie to switch again. He'd think it would seem more attractive to them now that Nick is gone. He could promise both of them final 3 and that they would knock out Austin and Sally at 5 and 4. The problem is that Bruce doesn't seem receptive to any strategic thinking whatsoever. As long as Shane and Aras keep flattering him, he will stay with the Casaya alliance. Cirie I think is gambling on the Casaya alliance imploding when the LaMinas (and Bruce) are gone, thus she will be able to get to the final 4 or further. On the "what if" front, it should have been obvious to Terry that no one was going to switch by the time they were getting ready to go to TC last Ep. Since he's now going to have to reveal he has the HII anyway, I was thinking he could have tried the following at TC, with the help of Austin, Sally and Nick: First, tell A/S/N that he has the HII before they go to TC, so they can play along with him (i.e. not look shocked later). Then during TC -- ideally right before the vote -- casually mention that the immunity idol was found and that one of the four of them is holding it. The Casayas, knowing that Terry has regular immunity, would suspect that someone else has the HII but they wouldn't know who. Or they might think Terry is just bluffing but they couldn't be positive. If La Mina was lucky, the Casayas, having no opportunity to discuss options, would get rattled enough to split their votes between Nick, Austin and Sally (or vote 3-3 for two of them). Then Shane would have left without the idol being used and without the necessity of anyone switching sides. It's not foolproof, because if any LaMina got 4 votes they would lose in the tiebreaker and have to leave. But it might have been worth a try. ETA: Actually, Terry wouldn't even have to tell A/S/N that he has the idol. He could get them all together and say, "Look, Sally and I have both been to EI and for all they know one of us may have the idol. So let's try this bluff at TC, there's nothing to lose..."
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04-03-06, 11:51 PM (EST)
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30. "Who's got the II?" |
At this stage I think Terry's smartest move would be to play who's got the II?If Terry wins individual immunity, He can tell Shane that he has a choice. Since Terry has individual immunity, He's giving the II to either Austin or Sally at the next TC. Casaya just has to guess which one will have it and vote for the other one at TC. But if Casaya guesses wrong and they vote for the one with immunity then Shane's going home. So, Shane has a 50-50 chance of getting sent home. But Terry offers Shane a 100% chance to save himself. Talk Aras or Bruce into flipping with him and La Mina will agree to vote off Courtney instead. Terry holds on to the immunity idol and keeps it for later in the game. I think just the threat of giving it to Sally or Austin could cause enough doubt in Casayas mind to cause them to break.
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04-05-06, 01:03 PM (EST)
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35. "Couldn't Casaya force the HII to be played this week?" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-05-06 AT 01:05 PM (EST)I was thinking they have to wait till it's down to 8, but I see a way they could do it this week. I think. It would depend on Terry either not being immune or being immune and passing the HII to Austin or Sally. Since I think Terry wins the IC this week I'll go with the latter. The 6 Casayas can't vote for Terry and believe he may pass the HII to either Austin or Sally -- but which one? They could solve the problem by voting 3-3 for each of them. If one of them produces the HII (let's say Austin), there is a tie between Sally and whoever the La Minas vote for (let's say Shane again). On the revote, Sally would draw all the Casaya votes, thus she'd have to leave. Even if neither Austin nor Sally has the II and there is a three-way tie, it would result in the same thing: one of them would draw all the Casaya votes on the revote and would have to leave. So, if the Casayas want to play it safe this week, they should plan to split their votes 3-3 going into TC.
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04-05-06, 01:32 PM (EST)
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37. "RE: Couldn't Casaya force the HII to be played this week?" |
Ok, quick question - why are we assuming that the person who has the idol would have to give it up in the event of a tie? Why couldnt they hold on to it, and if the tie-breaker resulted in them getting the most votes - THEN they use it, and the other person goes home.
Its a waste of the idol if they use it and they would have won the tie-breaker...Personally I'd want to hold on to it, and only use it if it was absolutely necessary.
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41. "RE: Couldn't Casaya force the HII to be played this week?" |
I do think it could happen this week.... I believe that Bruce is capable of voting with La Mina. Say Terry wins the IC, and offers to protect the targeted LaMina, I think Jeff said that it can be passed after the votes are read. Say the Casaya's plan on splitting their vote, only Bruce is bribed when Terry asks him who he'd most want to vote off of the Casaya's...he singles out Courtney, and the 3 LaMina's agree to vote against her. I do think Bruce is quite capable of voting against her, he's in no alliance with her, and all that hype through the season regarding how much he can't stand her...and, we do see Bruce shaking someone's hand in the vidcaps, who is blacked out. Bruce may not think it all the way through, he'll think even though I vote against a Casaya, they'll still need him next week, and he'll think it's a way to get rid of the hidden II, so the Casaya's can continue on their way next week without the annoying Courtney.
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