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"Trump makes huge error."
RealityRyan 218 desperate attention whore postings
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09-16-04, 11:33 PM (EST)
 
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1. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
You have to remember that this is all set in reality world... all the rules and common sense of the real world are thrown out the window. Trump doesn't give a rats ##### who wins this thing, what he wants are big ratings... and stiring up the pot and making a shocker boardroom are guaranteed ratings.
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09-16-04, 11:41 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Why did Bradford get fired? What did he do that was so stupid?
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09-17-04, 00:08 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I couldn't disagree more. Ivana performed poorly as PM but she thought she had a good chance of building a stronger case for firing Stacie J. I'm not sure why she brought Jennifer into the boardroom unless it was for moral support like when Ereka brought Bill in with her least season. However, Ivana performed well under stress and wins points (and her job) for correctly reading Trump and his adverse reaction to Bradford giving up his exemption. Trump was shocked at Bradford's decision and it is unwise to shock Trump with one's decision making ability. From my perspective, Trump made the right decision. Trump fired Bradford because he willingly and unnecessarily placed himself and his employer at risk with a reckless decision. It was a good call on Trump's part. These peeps have been making one bonhead move after another (shut up already Jennifer) and Trump decided to send a stong message. Bradford performed well but his ego was out of control (a general and his team?). When Bradford was a leader he was terrible and when he was supposed to be a subordinate, he still acted like a dictator.
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subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-04, 00:42 AM (EST)
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46. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
This was the best thing that could happen to the women(dumping Bragford) because their team unity would suffer unil he left. The men will have this same problem until they dump Pamazon (ugh). Obviously the women still have issues with Stacy J. but she could be brought around with a little effort. The women should have a team meeting to address this turn of events and where they go from here. This is Stacie's time to show her stuff and If I were her, I'd take the PM job next week and kick the men's butt.
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09-17-04, 01:47 AM (EST)
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62. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Both Stacie and Ivana were given a second chance by Bradford and his ignorance, like Jennifer, of when to just keep their mouths shut. There is a world of difference between being educated and intelligent, as all of these peeps are, and being street smart and business savy.
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09-17-04, 10:19 AM (EST)
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88. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I live in NY too - And I was really amazed at that "lost for three hours" bit. I cannot imagine how that was possible given the set up of Times Square.
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09-17-04, 05:36 PM (EST)
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149. "They should have just asked" |
the Naked Cowboy to help them sell. ;)
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09-17-04, 02:21 AM (EST)
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69. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I think the oppposite. It's going to hurt the women because they won't have a man to moderate their womanliness. You saw in the last show how once the teams got mixed, the infighting was drastically reduced.
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subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-04, 07:29 PM (EST)
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157. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
LAST EDITED ON 09-17-04 AT 07:31 PM (EST)I take it that you're single...not married...not dating...and not interacting (in a positive and professional way) with women on a regular basis? "It's going to hurt the women because they won't have a man to moderate their womanliness. " Say that too loudly in a packed room of women and they may help moderate your manliness? If by "moderate" you mean having someone saying "that's it"..end of discussion"...I'm goin with my (fukt up) idea" then, no, I don't think the women will miss that at all. However, the gung ho Bradford that was glad handing people on the streets and helping to sell for his team..yeah, they'll miss that guy. "You saw in the last show how once the teams got mixed, the infighting was drastically reduced. " That's true; however, there's a big difference between a balanced team of men and women when the teams inevitably merge and the situation we had with just Bradford and his desire to dominate the women as a tyrantical PM and reluctant subordinate.
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Big Money 4 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-04, 02:35 AM (EST)
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72. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Are you related to Stacy?
She should've been fired.
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09-17-04, 03:02 AM (EST)
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77. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I agree with subman. Trump is looking for a leader with "common sense." Trump is a fighter himself and he's looking for a leader who can fight for his company/organization. He's looking for a winner who can negotiate and who can win deals when he represents his company/organization. Can you imagine having a CEO who represent your company to tell his competitors (other companies who try to win the same deal) that he'll willing to doing that's of disadvantage of himself and his company? For example, a few companies are competing against each other (and your company is one of them) and trying to win the same contract with one private company, each company supposed to have one hour meeting with this private company. For some reasons this private company is willing to give your CEO (your company's rep) two more hours for the private meeting. This would be a great bonus, isn't it? Now can you imagine the rep of your company (your CEO) stands up and say,"I perform well so in orde to be fair to other companies, I am willing to give up the extra two hours, so instead of having a three hour meeting, I will do the one hour meeting only."How stupid it is, right? Yes he performed well in the task but at the same time, Trump made the right decision. This reminds me of the youngest guy who got fired in episode one (I forgot his name). That guy made abad decision by not meeting with the boss so he got fired. At the same task, Sam was sleeping on the floor. Trump fired this young guy instead of sam in that episode. Why? Because that guy has no common sense.
>I couldn't disagree more. Ivana
>performed poorly as PM but
>she thought she had a
>good chance of building a
>stronger case for firing Stacie
>J. I'm not sure
>why she brought Jennifer into
>the boardroom unless it was
>for moral support like when
>Ereka brought Bill in with
>her least season. However,
>Ivana performed well under stress
>and wins points (and her
>job) for correctly reading Trump
>and his adverse reaction to
>Bradford giving up his exemption.
> Trump was shocked at
>Bradford's decision and it is
>unwise to shock Trump with
>one's decision making ability.
>From my perspective, Trump made
>the right decision. Trump
>fired Bradford because he willingly
>and unnecessarily placed himself and
>his employer at risk with
>a reckless decision. It
>was a good call on
>Trump's part. These peeps
>have been making one bonhead
>move after another (shut up
>already Jennifer) and Trump decided
>to send a stong message.
> Bradford performed well but
>his ego was out of
>control (a general and his
>team?). When Bradford was
>a leader he was terrible
>and when he was supposed
>to be a subordinate, he
>still acted like a dictator.
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09-17-04, 08:43 PM (EST)
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161. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
>I couldn't disagree more. Ivana
>performed poorly as PM but
>she thought she had a
>good chance of building a
>stronger case for firing Stacie
>J. I'm not sure
>why she brought Jennifer into
>the boardroom unless it was
>for moral support like when
>Ereka brought Bill in with
>her least season. However,
>Ivana performed well under stress
>and wins points (and her
>job) for correctly reading Trump
>and his adverse reaction to
>Bradford giving up his exemption.
> Trump was shocked at
>Bradford's decision and it is
>unwise to shock Trump with
>one's decision making ability.
>From my perspective, Trump made
>the right decision. Trump
>fired Bradford because he willingly
>and unnecessarily placed himself and
>his employer at risk with
>a reckless decision. It
>was a good call on
>Trump's part. These peeps
>have been making one bonhead
>move after another (shut up
>already Jennifer) and Trump decided
>to send a stong message.
> Bradford performed well but
>his ego was out of
>control (a general and his
>team?). When Bradford was
>a leader he was terrible
>and when he was supposed
>to be a subordinate, he
>still acted like a dictator.
>I have to say I agree with you. While I don't believe Bradford was the "weakest link" (show cross-over...) in that boardroom, I do believe his decision to give up his immunity was NOT because he knew he had performed well, but rather an arrogant assumption that he was so good he was safe. You just don't know what is going to set someone like Trump off -- if we all could get inside his head and think like him, we could probably all be bazillionaires too! Bradford didn't show good leadership abilities last week, except when he finally realized that his idea for the toy was TOTALLY lame and backed off to better ideas. But that was only AFTER the experts at the toy company basically sneered at his idea. Until then he was pushing it and not listening to anyone else's idea. I personally think they were lucky to win last week since they wasted so much time on his concept. Regardless, he should have taken that exemption, sat back and watched what happened and used the breathing space to try to get a handle on how best to stay in the game. Instead he strutted and crowed and left himself open and was nailed because of it. Trump was right to fire him (although I would much rather have seen Stacie go -- twit). Both weeks he tried to place himself above the rest of the team (what's that name he was calling himself -- ice cream lord or something...like he didn't have 8 OTHER people there working with him????), acted like he was the only game in town, and paid for it when he lost! Good riddance. That ego was going to start crowding the room soon anyhow.
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09-17-04, 02:43 AM (EST)
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75. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Some people can't shut up. No emotional control. She'll be fired soon.
Jennifer said "there's something you should know". Does anyone know what she was going to say before Trump cut her off?
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09-17-04, 02:32 AM (EST)
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70. "RE: Trump makes huge error. - FAKE???" |
That's why I'm starting to think this show is faked. That scene where stacy walks in on a few women(girls) talking about her - seemed like so many scripted shows.
After trump firing "the best one here", I can't blame people for not watching anymore. But that shocker will only increase ratings. remember the 1st ep. last season.
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mmm_link 426 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-04, 10:15 AM (EST)
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86. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Do I smell a twist and some players may return later???
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DontGetMeStarted 880 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-04, 03:56 PM (EST)
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137. "True. I'd imagine that one of his offspring will be Trump2" |
waaay before the winner of this or 'any' TV show...
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Crystal54321 8 desperate attention whore postings
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09-16-04, 11:35 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
LAST EDITED ON 09-16-04 AT 11:37 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 09-16-04 AT 11:36 PM (EST) And, when Trump said- " I am quite happy with my decision," Carolyn says, "me too, sir. I agree." <paraphrasing...> What a kiester kisser Carolyn is! He did it because he did not want to fire any of the others. Bradford was a scapegoat.
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mmm_link 426 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-04, 10:18 AM (EST)
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87. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
At least George kept his cool throughout the entire ordeal.
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09-16-04, 11:37 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
It's all about the ratings. However, it bugs me they hype the boardroom, and it is just not as dramatic as it really is. Has anyone noticed Caroline seems nastier this season too? She is my favorite, but she just seems harsh.
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RealityRyan 218 desperate attention whore postings
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09-16-04, 11:43 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Yeah, I'm sure they told her to amp up her nasty side... however, I don't think she has to dig too deep in the psyche of Caroline to pull out that one
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Nanook 189 desperate attention whore postings
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09-16-04, 11:58 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I can’t stand Caroline. She is extremely arrogant and frigid. I couldn’t stand it how she kept scowling every two seconds. She acted completely disgusted just because Bradford accidentally called her Carolyn. Get the pole out of your butt, lady!
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09-17-04, 11:43 AM (EST)
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103. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
So far, you and I are the only two people who have picked up on ....or bothered to comment on his "a General and his troops..." comment? He was a subordinate this time...not PM and he got caught up in his own ego and felt that he had to be there on the front line with is troops ....blah...blah. He was a little too cliche' ridden in my opinion..
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09-17-04, 02:36 AM (EST)
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73. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I'm not offended by her. She's a very serious woman,, that's all there is to it.
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09-17-04, 02:48 AM (EST)
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76. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I agree......... with removing the pole.
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09-17-04, 01:00 AM (EST)
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51. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I suppose you're one of those guilty until proven guilty folks. Fair enough; to each his own. However, a good leader and a good team, learns to deal with people even with their eccentrities, and use their talents for the benefit of team. If it's a respect issue, on ethics alone, most of the girls have already lost it. I rather have an "odd" honest worker how is reliable an loyal, than a dishonest "sane" worker who you can't turn your back on. Comfortability is of no consequence. When you have a job to do, you have to get it one, no matter how you may personally "feel" about the persons involved. Business and emotions normally don't mix, and team Apex is needs to learn this. Even if they don't respect her personally, they should at least respect the fact that out of thousands, Stacie has the qualities to make it on the show and treat her accordingly (per each task).
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09-17-04, 12:29 PM (EST)
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107. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
>I suppose you're one of those
>guilty until proven guilty folks.
>Fair enough; to each his
>own. However, a good leader
>and a good team, learns
>to deal with people even
>with their eccentrities, and use
>their talents for the benefit
>of team.
>
>If it's a respect issue, on
>ethics alone, most of the
>girls have already lost it.
>I rather have an "odd"
>honest worker how is reliable
>an loyal, than a dishonest
>"sane" worker who you can't
>turn your back on.
>
>Comfortability is of no consequence. When
>you have a job to
>do, you have to get
>it one, no matter how
>you may personally "feel" about
>the persons involved. Business and
>emotions normally don't mix, and
>team Apex is needs to
>learn this. Even if they
>don't respect her personally, they
>should at least respect the
>fact that out of thousands,
>Stacie has the qualities to
>make it on the show
>and treat her accordingly (per
>each task).
Yes! Thank you for saying it so well. Sometimes you don't understand or get along with your co-workers, but you are all there to do a job and respect everyone's role. That's business (and life for that matter).
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09-20-04, 11:32 AM (EST)
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182. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
>LAST EDITED ON 09-17-04
>AT 00:19 AM (EST)
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>Also, the team has been quite
>exclusionary when it comes to
>Stacie's involvement. I'm not saying
>that she was right in
>calling the temp agency or
>that it was smart (because
>it wasn't), but as the
>team leader, Ivana should have
>tried to better incorporate her
>as a member instead of
>continued ostracism. I think Stacie continually tried to do things "her way" and in order to "incorporate her", Ivana later let her call the temps to get her out of everyone's hair. Managing the troublemakers was smart.
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09-17-04, 00:09 AM (EST)
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24. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Don't play the race card. Stacie is an oddball and causing problems for the team, as George said. The fact that she and Omarosa are both black is just coincidence.
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09-17-04, 01:45 AM (EST)
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61. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Stacie being black a coincidence??? I don't think so! What percent of the reality casting team's effort went into finding an oddball black girl who doesn't play nice with others? I'd guess 95%. They were looking for another Omarosa in *every* aspect to drive ratings. I can't prove it but I don't think it's so unlikely.
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09-17-04, 00:24 AM (EST)
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34. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Stacie J. is exactly like Omarosa from the standpoint that she does not want to be a team player and because she alienates people with her behavior. She is on the phone and arranging for temps to sell ice cream? Who gave her that assignment? Nobody. When you go off on your own and make decisions that impact the team, you're not a team player. Had the Bradford not tripped over his ego, she would be gone.
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78. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
You know I agree also. I think that the other women have the problem. Stacey was trying to be cool with everyone in the begining by being motivating. Everyone else was sitting there looking all cocky and stuck up. People like that think they are always right and others should bend over backwards for them. If I were in her shoes I would probably react the same way. Why do we put others down when we are threaten by another individual or when we don't understand someone elses backround.
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09-17-04, 11:48 AM (EST)
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104. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
People are sitting there eating lunch and Stacie says let's go get our prize....go where...the meeting is hours away....and you're going to go tell Mattel and Trump that you won
and have come to collect your prize? I don't think so......
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09-17-04, 12:36 PM (EST)
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109. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Maybe I'm the only one, but when she said that I thought she was not being serious, but trying to rally everyone. I didn't think she was going to march out of the room.
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09-17-04, 12:56 PM (EST)
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114. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
There's a definite difference between pumping your team up with a "We won" speech and then saying let's go get our prize.
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121. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
"Well, calling people to come check out your product had enormous upside (resulted in more sales) and no risk (unless the ice cream sucked) in which case they were going to lose anyway. Also, marketing the product may have been Jennifer's responsibility and if this was the case then she had every right to make that call. On the other hand, Stacie made an independent decision to commit team resources to an expense not authorized by the team leader."So which is it? The fact that she did something on her own without running it by the PM, or that fact that it was going to cut into the bottom line? Whether or not marketing was Jennifer's job, the fact remains that she took action before she let her PM know what she was doing. Risk or no risk, Ivana shouldn't have let that slide without a little admonishment. "Ivana was a worse performer as a leader than Stacie was as a subordinate. Ivana should have been fired. However, since Bradford rode to the rescue and sacrificed himself, isn't this whole discussion just academic?" Yes. But that's the beauty, post facto critcal analysis.  
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6. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I agree 100%. Trump claims he is trying to find "Leadership", and then he goes and punishes the most leader-like act of the season by firing Brad. I wish there was some way to send a message to Trump that that was a totally uncool decision. I loved Season 1 and loved this episode up until the firing. I doubt I'll watch another one, because Trump just proved that it is not at all about business or leadership, it's just about provacative TV. Pretty sad that a self-proclaimed "real estate tycoon" has to lower himself to that.
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64. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
"Fight Back - Brad should NOT have been fired TAKE ACTION!!!"
If you're anything like me, you're FURIOUS that Brad was fired on this week's episode of the apprentice. "The Donald" made a mistake, and he's in over his head. WRITE TO THE VENDORS OF THE SHOW AND TELL THEM YOU ARE BOYCOTTING THEIR PRODUCTS UNTIL "THE DONALD" GIVES BRAD A PERSONAL CHECK FOR $5 MILLION DOLLARS, AND APPOLOGIZES ON AIR.
REMEMBER: The vendors supporting the show have more power than Mr Trump himself - they must be made to see their involvment with the show as a liability. Forward this as an email to all your friends!!!Vendors in Alphabetical Order:
Andrew Morgan
Morgan Collection
www.morgancollection.com
Angela Adams
www.angelaadams.com
Avon
www.avon.com
Basco
www.bascoshowerdoor.com
Bo Concept
www.boconcept.com
The Conran Shop
www.conran.com
The Container Store
www.containerstore.com
Create It Décor
www.cornicekits.com
Debrand Chocolates
www.debrand.com
Dwell
www.dwellshop.com
Ellen Tracy
www.ellentracy.com
Eurofase
www.eurofase.com
Forever Green Art
www.forevergreenart.com
General Electric
www.monogram.com
George Smith
www.georgesmith.com
Hansgrohe
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Kellar 69 desperate attention whore postings
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110. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
How about this? Instead of boycotting we could just keep on shoplifting from them, until they get the message!
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09-17-04, 03:38 PM (EST)
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132. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
As long as you stop bashing other posters, say whatever you want. But personal comments like yours are against the community guidelines.
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09-16-04, 11:47 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Yo, it _is_ leadership to tell your employees that you are accountable just like they are. Top executives do this time & time again, and their teams and companies are stronger because of it. Get a real business person like Jack Welsh or Andy Grove in there and see if they fire Brad.
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09-16-04, 11:50 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Exactly.
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09-16-04, 11:56 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Again, I agree. Well put.
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09-17-04, 01:06 AM (EST)
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53. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Subman,
You sound like you are just echoing what Trump said. Brad didn't make a risky decision in choosing to be an accountable part of a team. That's what it is all about in the business world to have a successful team "Total Accountability". That was what Brad was trying to emphasize. Donald never has been an accountable person. As long as I've known him he has been throwing the blame for his failures on others instead of being accountable for his part in his failures. That might work at first, but it eventually bites you in the a** because you lose the respect of all around you. Why do you think he is going bankrupt at all his casinos? He is so busy not taking accountability for his overly agressive desire to take over the world (or at least the East coast) by getting in too deep, that he is digging his own grave of debt. He made a big error by cutting Bradford lose. Maybe he needs to take a course on accountability to learn that what Brad did, was the makings of a great team leader. I think he didn't dare fire Ivana, because of the connotations of firing a woman with the same name as his ex-wife. He used poor judgement in making that decision, and Carolyn is a butt kisser in agreeing with him. Maybe she got sick of him going against most of her recommendations last year and decided the key was to keep her nose quickly attached to his backside. Nothing like a brown noser. I lost respect for her as well. Maybe Donald better go back and read his books as well as a few on accountability. He could also learn some lessons from successful corporations like Southwest, who treat their employees so great that they have a fantastic workforce and happy, productive employees. Now that is a success story.
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subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-04, 02:17 AM (EST)
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68. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
You sound like you are just echoing what Trump said. Well, that may because I agree 100% with Trump's decision to fire Bradford. First, Bradford ensured his own undoing by positioning himself within a team of women he would never feel comfortable with. As a leader, Bradford was overbearing. As a subordinate to women (girls according to him), Bradford would have imploded in a week or two anyway and this was plainly evident by his utter frustration with every aspect of how the women managed their team. "Brad didn't make a risky decision in choosing to be an accountable part of a team." He most certainly did? He was not elligble to be fired and his decision to waive immunity made this a possibility!! That's the definition of risk. More seriously, if you were to look up "Risk" in the dictionary, the Bragford's picture would be right there. He acted recklessly and courted personal danger when he was not at risk in any way. Leaders are required to be bold decision makers but Bradford acted impetuously and without thinking through the consequences of his decisions, the worst traits one would expect in a leader. "That's what it is all about in the business world to have a successful team "Total Accountability". That was what Brad was trying to emphasize. "
Not exactly. In the cab ride to the "Loser's Suite", Bradford made his position clear. He was the General and he was leading his team into battle...what utter pap. This boy had delusions of grandeur that would make even Trump wince. He was a subordinate player this week and he failed to work within that role. I think Bradford liked the boardroom and wanted to be where the action was. Bradford may indeed may have been trying to make a point; however, in acting rashly and taking an unnecessary risk, he screwed up which made it necessary for Trump to make an even more important point. "Leaders have to be responsible but adverse to taking needless risk".
"Donald never has been an accountable person. As long as I've known him he has been throwing the blame for his failures on others instead of being accountable for his part in his failures. That might work at first, but it eventually bites you in the a** because you lose the respect of all around you. " Well even the Resident does this, just look at Bush!! "Why do you think he is going bankrupt at all his casinos? He is so busy not taking accountability for his overly agressive desire to take over the world (or at least the East coast) by getting in too deep, that he is digging his own grave of debt." Who cares....? "He made a big error by cutting Bradford lose." Trump made the best decision since I have been watching this show. " Maybe he needs to take a course on accountability to learn that what Brad did, was the makings of a great team leader. " I think that Trump already covered this point in that he is looking for a leader now, not just someone with potential. "I think he didn't dare fire Ivana, because of the connotations of firing a woman with the same name as his ex-wife." *Snort* "He used poor judgement in making that decision, and Carolyn is a butt kisser in agreeing with him. Maybe she got sick of him going against most of her recommendations last year and decided the key was to keep her nose quickly attached to his backside. " Yaaawnn..... "Maybe Donald better go back and read his books as well as a few on accountability. He could also learn some lessons from successful corporations like Southwest, who treat their employees so great that they have a fantastic workforce and happy, productive employees. Now that is a success story. " You are missing the point. Bradford WAS NOT an employee. He was participating in a 15 week job interview and he screwed up and blew his opportunity by acting without thinking first.
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89. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Let's start with a couple of disclosures here. I don't particularly like Bradford, but I don't think he's a complete idiot. He did choose to pursue a risky strategy, as subman noted.I also have virtually no track record of agreeing with subman. This is not a trivial point here. But subman is one of the few voices of reason on this topic. It doesn't matter whether Trump saw Bradford's relinquishing immunity as a standup thing; what he saw was someone who took what he viewed as an unacceptable risk. It's that simple. It outweighed Ivana's inadequacy, Stacie's flakiness, and Jennifer's big mouth. That's all. And it's his call to make. He's choosing someone to control a multimillion-dollar portion of his operations. While it may seem hypocritical for him to be judging someone else's choice to take a particular risk, it's not--he has a right to be comfortable with the selectee's decisionmaking skills. And there's absolutely no doubt that Bradford made some bad decisions. The level of fury over this is just freakin' ridiculous. 
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09-17-04, 12:33 PM (EST)
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108. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
LAST EDITED ON 09-17-04 AT 12:44 PM (EST)Your reply that I might be confused appears to be a polite way of telling me that I am wrong? What I offered was my opinion regarding both Bradford's and Trump's decisions and the resulting outcome. As my opinion, it can be challenged on the basis of my collection and interpretation of the facts at hand, but it can never be called "wrong" by another since it just what I think. As such, my opinion is uniquely mine and is representaive of 50+ years of life and business experience, including BS AND MBA degrees in management. I don't dislike Bradford at all. I believe that I made a distinction between Bradford the man and Bradford the teammate and job applicant when I was formulating my post. On the surface, Bradford was outgoing, personable and engaging, yet he had some enormous underlying personality issues in dealing with people and especially women that made his decision to join the women's team (not Bradford's team) a disasterous one for him. Did anyone else hear him call Stacie J. "Dog" in the lunch room when Stacie was having her problem. That was patronizing on so many levels. "Those of us that are irritated with Trump's judgement is simply because he didn't see Bradford giving up the exemption as a stand-up act. " First, "The Bradford" was not about team unity, he was about himself. As important as teams are, one has to be able to separate themselves from the team at times for purposes of earning rewards and recognition for individual performance and to avoid the personal consequences of the team's defeat. This show is about surviving a 15 week job interview and single elimination tournament of reality TV. If your team is in the boardroom, the team has failed and it is now survival time for the indivdual players. Bradford's decision to forgo his immunity served no purpose either to the team or to himself and smacked of idiocy and that's all it takes to get eliminated on a show like this. "Quite obviously it hit Trump badly, which I find counter to any person trying to have a strong sense of team in their organization." I don't think that Trump could believe what he had heard and neither would I!! The boardroom was full of players making bonehead comments and Bradford's turned out to be the worst. Strong teams demand decisions like Trump's in order to cull out the knuckleheads before they get hired and can burrow into your company. Trump rocks!!
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09-17-04, 05:10 PM (EST)
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143. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Darn tootin'. He thought he was being "courageous" but in actuality was acting "fool-hearty", something any good general or manager cannot afford to do. He totally forgot the first rule of BOTH Business and Politics...CYA (Cover Your #####).
Diving on a grenade for anybody other than family is STUPID
Jack ! The last time I checked, Trump was looking for: a SHREWD business person and decision-maker, not John Wayne.
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09-16-04, 11:43 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Why did Bradford get fired? What did he do that was so stupid?
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Momofoneplusone 4 desperate attention whore postings
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09-16-04, 11:55 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Mody - He had an exemption in the boardroom and wasn't supposed to get fired. He gave up his exemption to stand up with his team. Trump thought that was just the stupidest thing he ever did and fired him instead.
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09-16-04, 11:57 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
In my 6 years of HR, I saw a lot of managers who were just like Trump. That's why in any REAL corporation, HR has to make the decision to fire. Few managers can really think through what they are doing when it comes to personnel decisions. Trump made a horrid decision that was COMPLETELY UNWARRANTED, and any good HR person would have thrown themselves in front of that bullet to save the expense of replacing a GOOD employee. Maybe Trump needs to have an HR manager sitting next to him, instead of other executives. But then again, it makes for worse ratings when you have team-builders instead of managers. Kudos to Donald for being a great manager and for his talent in making the big and profitable deals, but he would NEVER have the power to hire and fire in any company that I work in. That's obviously NOT his strong point, and his loss in this situation will be someone else's gain. Just ask the million dollar man, Kwame. While the "winner" is making one builing, Kwame just cut a deal for Legacy worth more than "The Donald's" buildig, and he makes more, accordingly. Today was just sickening.
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09-17-04, 00:16 AM (EST)
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28. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
perfectly stated!Ironically enough, I was in operations management for a service company, and was tired of fighting with HR over personnel decisions, so I went into HR and ran the full services of HR for a 110 person office. All of a sudden, I found myself throwing myself in front of the decisions of managers that I had trained - to make those same decisions that I was defending against! I'm happily employed in the tax accounting arena now. I guess after I got tired of being Donald, I got tired of fighting with the Donalds that I made. So while I can see why Donald did what he did, I just don't get why NOBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM INCLUDING THE TEAM THAT HE WAS STANDING UP FOR didn't stop him. I think if Donald took a season off and went on the road with Paris Hilton, he might learn something about how REAL people act (although it doesn't seem that she did, from what I hear - never really watched). He's an out-of-touch executive who's probably in need of a few month out to pasture. Geez...
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09-17-04, 00:51 AM (EST)
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47. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I think that many of you are missing the entire concept of the show. Although using the term "your fired" indicates that they are already hired,it is just an interview process. As someone who has done many interviews the way you have to weed people out can be tricky.
I to was very shocked and initially irritated by the decision to "fire" bradford. But the fact is that although it was a "slip of tongue". It was a huge mistake and something like taking the security out from under a company impulsively is much worse than temporarily losing track of an employee or being indecisive on weather to cross the street or argue with another vendor publicly.
Kudos to Donald for having the perception to see the destructive behavior long before many others did or ever will.
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09-17-04, 01:18 AM (EST)
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56. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I'm sorry but I totally disagree with you on this one. There is nothing destructive about being a total team player and being a totally accountable team player. That is what Brad did and I totally respected him for it. Ivana should have been fired simply for the fact that she made the horrible judgement decision to put Bradford on the block. She showed her indecisiveness and lack of foresight on this and didn't make good leadership decisions. Being part of a successful organization always entails being a totally accountable person. Brad had those qualities. Yes he was arrogant, but he had what it takes to be a great leader and it was a mistake to fire him.
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09-17-04, 09:48 AM (EST)
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84. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
did you see last week's episode? BRadford will NEVER be a team player. His ego will always get in the way. He was a terrible team leader and even worse in the boardroom when he should have kept quiet. He had no chance of winning--his ego would have tripped him up soon. That was clear.
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09-17-04, 00:15 AM (EST)
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26. "you guys are ALL missing the GLARINGLY obvious point" |
...Brad was fired because he's an arrogant self-absorbed @sshole who clearly showed tonight that he would always put himself before his team.....and since Trump didn't get where he is today by being an idiot he easily recognized that HUGE character flaw and weeded his dumb@ss out a.s.a.p
Also, and probaby even more important....Trump didn't give out excemptions this year to have them thrown back in his face. By throwing that back at Trump he was basically telling Trump that he was untouchable and didn't have ANY fear at all in Trump. Trump and NBC want the boardroom to be a place of fear and unpredicability...they sure don't want contestants in there feeling like they are invincible. And Trump took care of that today....I guarantee that from now on no one will take the boardroom or their place in the game lightly.
Good riddance Marcellus, err, I mean Bradford.
educating morons in mass quantity thresd by thresd
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09-17-04, 00:30 AM (EST)
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38. "bullcrap!" |
>um, maybe you missed the point
>that he was willing to
>be judged WITH his team. ...that has NOTHING to do with why he did it. And its irrelevant anyway. See my post below for the REAL reason why he did it, not the one he conveniently thought up after the fact in the taxi. Also, you have to look at it as trying to find a future CEO. Brad showed a tendency to take unreasonable and unneeded risks despite the fact that they could have LIFE THREATENING consequences. That is a HORRIBLE trait in a CEO.
Don't pass off my opinions as coming from someone who only wants the show to be entertaining. Don't patronize my valid opinions like that...I'm not stupid enough to NOT see through such transparency. Trump fired him for VALID business reasons. Bradford showed today that he was the worst candidate to be a future CEO, by far!
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09-17-04, 01:04 AM (EST)
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52. "RE: bullcrap!" |
Doanld Trump takes the same kind of risks. He has to sell himself to investors every day, and seems willing enough to stand in front of the fire to get it done.The risk taken WAS unnecessary on Bradford's part, and whie he said, "My plan back-fired on me", if he had been successful, he would have gotten a lot of stock out of it. He proved his point to everyone on the team, and if Donald is really looking for leaders, he should have seen that too. Brad's mistake was better categorzed as calculated, albeit unnecessary. Donald doesn't buy new buildings, he builds them from the ground up. Brad was building something (himself), and Donald tore it down. All that's left is sewage - no foundation that Brad was building. I thought Brad was a little arrogant, too, but he WAS building and not hiding. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that I would have done what Brad did... that WAS pretty stupid, but that's looking at it from a gamer's view. In business, any good HR person woud have put Donald in check.
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09-17-04, 01:15 AM (EST)
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55. "RE: bullcrap!" |
Do you work in HR or something?
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09-17-04, 01:29 AM (EST)
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58. "RE: bullcrap!" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-17-04 AT 01:29 AM (EST)i was an ops manager first,and got tired of HR wrecking my "Donald-like" decisions, so I moved toward HR. Once I got into HR, I found myself, ironically, protecting staff from the same managers that I had trained. I got so sick of the whole cycle... keep in mind, I'm partly responsible for having built it. I just was fortunate to see it from both sides. Now I do tax accounting. It's a lot easier to deal with than being an @$$ in management, or a manager's punchingbag in HR. I'm glad I took those accounting classes early on now 
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09-17-04, 00:35 AM (EST)
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42. "RE: you guys are ALL missing the GLARINGLY obvious point" |
Shakes...I agree.
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67. "Agree 100%" |
Can't believe I am saying this but - what the Clown said.Bradford's explanation was that he wanted to show he was a team player but this isn't a team building exercise. This is to determine who is the best person to run a business. Do you think a good leader would shrug off an obvious competitive advantage on a whim? Is that a good business decision? Uh, no. As for Ivana and Stacie, I think it is quite obvious that they will be fired eventually. I think Trump and the Gargoyles know that neither of them have what it takes and he will disperse of them eventually. Who cares if it is this week or the next week or the week after that? Trump made his point this week. NEVER casually discard a competitive advantage. And as the Clown said, nobody will make that mistake again.  "I have just discovered that this object I found is capable of scratching my back...I call it BACK SCRATCHER!"
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09-17-04, 01:45 PM (EST)
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119. "RE: you guys are ALL missing the GLARINGLY obvious point" |
>Also, and probaby even more important....Trump
>didn't give out excemptions this
>year to have them thrown
>back in his face.WORD, Shakes. I'll go one further and say that there's a larger, game-related reason, why Trump was not merely right to, but OBLIGATED TO fire Bradford this week. Let's say Trump lets Bradford stay. Then let's say Mosaic loses next week. Now say you're Kelly. Are you going to keep your immunity? Are you going to risk being seen as "hiding" behind immunity? Are you going to risk looking unconfident in your performance for the week? Like hell! Basically, what Bradford did, whether he really meant to or not, was try to devalue the immunity to nothing. If Trump lets him do it, we might as well just get rid of immunity altogether because nobody's ever going to take advantage of it again. That's not Bradford's call to make. That's why he had to go. 
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36. "don't you mean...." |
> Had Bradford actually stood
>up for himself and cogently
>argued his position (as he
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>home), as he "Monday morning quarterbacking rationalized" in the taxi on the ride home?
That wasn't the reason he gave up his excemption...see my post above for the real reason.
Also, how come no one is talking about the other idiotic thing Brad did....even opening his friggen mouth during the whole boardroom. Someone please tell me how he stood to benefit even one iota from saying even ONE SINGLE WORD the entire time they were in there. A much better move would've been to just sit there with a concerned look on his face and not utter a single word. How on Earth did he show strong business sense by fighting a battle he wasn't even invited to? That's incredibly poor business savy and the type of mindset that could cost a company if it were made by its CEO.
But, Brad's ego just couldn't stop itself.
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49. "sorry but you're wrong once again" |
>once he was there, he really
>didn't have a choice but
>to talk.
....uhm, don't you remember Brad's confessional BEFORE the boardroom where he CLEARLY said that he planned to participate full throttle in the boardroom.
Because he's an idiot who's ego won't allow him to be quiet. Looks like his ego made an "executive decision" to get his @ss fired.
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57. "RE: sorry but you're wrong once again" |
My boss called me one time to tell me that I had to fire 12 people at the end of their first week of training because his boss said that they weren't in the budget after all. I was opening a sattelite office 110 miles from home, and we were very short on qualified people at home. The people that I had were REALLY good people, and more qualified than what I was supposed to go home and hire after firing these guys. I got a nosebleed while on the phone because it was that intense, but I ended up telling my boss that he had to fire me, and that it would then become his job to fire them. He scratched his head for a minute, and then decided to help me cover the program for three weeks with his boss. If it didn't work, he would fire me ad hire folks back home. Within a year, 70%-80% of our staff was from the sattelite team, and the following year, my boss moved to that location. Good people should survive the bullet, not be penalized for standing up for what's right. We made millions for the company with the team, and I still think I took an unnecessary risk for 12 strangers. Still, I had a lot of clout in the company BEFORE I took that risk. I think Brad had a lot of clout after two good weeks, but apparently not enough.
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98. "RE: sorry but you're wrong once again" |
Your story isn't the same as Brad's story. You stood up for good people whom you'd invested effort in, right? You took a calculated risk that was acknowledged and paid off because you are of value and these people you wanted to save are of value to the company. It wasn't just a move to make people think how awesome you are - you were acting in the best interest of everyone, including the company. Brad's gesture was grandstanding, designed to make the women in awe of him and somehow think he's better than Trump or something. If Brad had been TO BLAME for the failure of Team RedVelvet, then his offer to waive immunity would have at least been grounded in taking responsibility for the f#ck-up. Brad would have had something to offer Trump by way of explanation - taking his share of the blame. But he hadn't screwed up. He had no business taking blame when his efforts helped the dollar figures be as close as they were. I think that Trump is wary of the pointlessly altruistic - as he should be. People who appear to be taking a sacrifice when none is called for are nothing but trouble. Shakes put it very well (hi Shakes!!)  
I'm used to slaughtering sheep - I'm a natural for this show!
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134. "RE: don't you mean...." |
Ahem....have we been introduced? I'm Subman.
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39. "RE: Counterpoint" |
Actually, I found it absolutely hillarious that after walking into the room and stealing the other team's idea blatantly, they showed how truly incompetent they were by not only having to steal the idea (they would have gotten nowhere without it), but then they lost their little cart for 3 hours.They deserved to lose, and they deserved to pay the price. Bradford is the one who really made it work for them, and he was the only one with nothing to lose by doing NOTHING. He could have gone to a bagel shop, read the paper, took a nice long bathroom break, and then napped under the desk like Sam, and STILL been safe. He was the only noble thing for that team on this day, and Donald is an idiot.
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09-17-04, 00:33 AM (EST)
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41. "RE: Counterpoint" |
idiot with a capital I.
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09-17-04, 00:41 AM (EST)
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44. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I agree Trump made a huge error. If he conducts business in such a manner, no wonder all his casinos are bankrupt and he is about to hear the words "you're fired" from his board of executives. What an idiot! He admitted that Brad was the best one in the room, yet he fires him when there are obviously much weaker people in the boardroom. That had to be the single most idiotic thing he's ever done on the Apprentice. The Donald is damn lucky that people have given him more fair chances than he gave Bradford or he would be working at McDonald's as an assistant manager. He's made many errors in judgement in the building of his enterprise. Where would he be if someone saw his lapses in judgement as being so idiotic that they fired him? He would have no enterprise and he would have no wealth to ostentatiously show to anyone that cares. Donald, if you read these boards, you really screwed up with this one. It's nice to know and see that you are not perfect. You had two people in there that really deserved to get the ax and you chose someone that probably would have been down to the final few and would have been a benefit to your company. I have lost all respect for your business decisions and for your management style. I think you're an "a" double "s" (they won't allow swear words on the forum and bleeped my description of you) and you treat your employee's like crap. I wouldn't want to work for you if you paid me a million a year. Money can't buy everything and if you work for an a**hole, then the money isn't worth it. There is a lot to be said for treating your employees respectfully. I give a 1000% to a boss that respects me and treats me like a human being. Your manner is abrasive and I would have no loyalty towards you because of the way you treat others. I hope you redeem yourself, admit you made a huge mistake in a fit of idiocy, and bring Brad back. If not, it just shows your supreme arrogance overrides your common sense. Have fun where you're at because if you continue to make decisions like this one, you're on your way out baby. I'm completely disgusted with you. I don't even thing I'll watch the show anymore. That was a split second moment of idiocy. Redeem yourself Donald and myself and millions of viewers might be willing to give you another chance. Otherwise, your show just lot many viewers.
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09-17-04, 00:42 AM (EST)
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45. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
The mistake Bradforn made was that he showed he was willing to take a personal risk. For all his talk, Trump rarely takes personal risks -- instead he simply risks the money of his partners, investors, etc.
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09-17-04, 01:56 AM (EST)
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63. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I think Trump made the best possible choice-given what he was working with. True, Bragford may have been the best person in the boardroom, that did not make him the best person in the game. Trump could afford to get rid of him because he had no real chance of winning. He did an excellent job getting customers for the ice cream, but in reality he would be a horrible CEO. Did you notice before the challenge began he kept referring to his teammates as "his girls". This could have been taken in many different ways, but when you couple that with his comments about looking your best and the other sexist comments, he clearly was hoping to "pimp" his teammates for profit.
Stacie J. is a loose cannon but she had enough sense to maintain humility in the boardroom. She only spoke up when it was absolutely necessary. Bragford invited himself into the conversation and then got Carolyn's name wrong. He was a major egotistical jerk. By including himself as a potential bootee, he showed his arrogance and false sense of superiority.
Trump was right to fire him. He put himself at risk unnecessarily. Trump made a valid point in his summation for the reasons he had to hit the street. If Bragford was a CEO, about to sign the deal of a lifetime for your company, and then you found out he had the gall to challenge your customer to contact your competitor to see if he could get a better deal-that's an unnecessary risk. You would or should fire his a$$ too.
And I don't think Carolyn was kissing the Trumpster's trump card, I think she heard his rationale, wasn't crazy about Bragford anyway and simply agreed.
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09-17-04, 02:12 AM (EST)
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65. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Ummmm, no. BRAD DESERVED TO BE FIRED! Trump was right - Brad's cockiness made him make an irrational decision that, like Trump said, could cost a company millions if he was in an executive position. Bradford thought he was untouchable and so he took a gamble, and Trump doesn't like gambles. Basically what Bradford was saying to Trump is "You can take your immunity back because I know you're not going to fire me". That didn't float too well with The Donald. You people are forgetting something - this contest isn't all about who does good at the challenges. If that was the case, Amy would have won last year. It's also about character and wise decision making. Bradford was arrogant, cocky, and made a supremely unwise decision that blew up in his face. By not taking the immunity he was basically CHALLENGING Trump, and that's stupid. The Donald doesn't want a CEO that's going to let his emotions get the best of him and makes bad decisions.
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09-17-04, 02:34 AM (EST)
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71. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Bradford's decision was sheer idiocy. Imagine a batter striking out while getting an intentional walk. Imagine a basketball player insisting that the other team defend him on a free throw. It was nothing but narcissistic grandstanding (imagining himself as a general going to war???).
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09-17-04, 10:25 AM (EST)
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90. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I would have fired the whole bunch and given Carolyn a raise for kissing my butt after the fact.
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09-17-04, 01:20 PM (EST)
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118. "RE: The problem with this decision" |
The task has always been meaningless - Trump has never based his decisions on the task performance. Remember the Planet Hollywood episode last season? The guys were just as disorganized and leaderless as Apex was last night and the PM should have been fired (I don't remember who it was but I think it might have been Kwame). Bowie's poor performance in souvenir sales didn't cost the guys that win, it was the lack of a plan and leadership. Trump's choice last night was no different from what he has been doing all along. His choices are affected by what makes good ratings.
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09-17-04, 12:54 PM (EST)
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113. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I agree, except that I think the whole thing was a set up, with Brad in on it. Think about it, if Brad stayed on the show, it would be obvious who was going to win. With him gone, it leaves the field wide open. It's all about ratings. And even if it was real, it would have to be because of Trump's ego (I gave you a gift and you're giving it back). Didn't Trump even say he was feeling emotional about his decision before the 4 came back in the board room? I hate fake reality shows. Apprentice was my favorite show, but not anymore. I won't be watching.
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09-17-04, 02:25 PM (EST)
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122. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I am sorry but I have to disagree, I beleive that Brad earned being terminated due to his insane attempt to kiss #####. As Mr. Trump stated "Your Actions are Futile" I would have to agree.
Brad was being praised and he should have kept his trap shut.
To be honest with you all, he was trying to impress Trump too much, And whats funny is that Trump was already impressed. Brad was just to into himself to see that! Also I agree with Trump, if that was a coorperation and Brad pulled a stunt like that, he could have sank the battleship(The Company).
I fully Support Trumps decision in fireing BRAD!
Besides, He is a jerk and Bully!
Don't get me going again about that Executive decision he made.
Also whats funny, how Brad was about to cry when he was told that he was fired. The whole world could see that he was oviously emotional! I wounder who will be fired next, I don't want stacie J to win, but I am not ready for her to be fired yet!
She makes things interesting and I can bet that Trump will leave her on the show for a while because she makes the drama of the show. I can tell that he appreciates that because he came to her defense, when he knows damn well she is crazy!
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09-17-04, 07:00 PM (EST)
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154. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
True... and what Clinton did wasn't stupid either; he was just showing off (showing off way too much too..)
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09-17-04, 03:45 PM (EST)
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136. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
LAST EDITED ON 09-17-04 AT 03:47 PM (EST)>I don't want stacie J
>to win, but I am
>not ready for her to
>be fired yet!
>She makes things interesting and I
>can bet that Trump will
>leave her on the show
>for a while because she
>makes the drama of the
>show. I can tell
>that he appreciates that because
>he came to her defense,
>when he knows damn well
>she is crazy!
I completely disagree with the statement. Give me a break, the woman is not "crazy". If you want to see crazy people, go visit your local sanitarium. Stacie is just different from the others, and needs to handle her anxeity more constructively, or at least apart from her teammates so as not to be judged.
What Trump realizes is that she has been hated, ostracized, and disrespected from day one. And no matter how "odd" she maybe, she was not entirely at fault for Apex's loss. It was the sheer IDIOCY involved in getting lost in Times Square within a two block radius. I mean COME ON PEOPLE! Maria should have been fired for walking 10 blocks. TIMES SQUARE IS NOT THAT LONG.
Plus they were reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaally disorganized.
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09-17-04, 03:57 PM (EST)
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138. "Going completely out of context." |
Let's say you're on Survivor, and you've made Final Four. And you're going to make Final Three, because it's Tribal Council time and the immunity necklace is resting on your shoulders, thank you very much. Plus, you know the most influential person on the jury really, really likes you, and in the end, given the amount of power he has over the others, that's the only vote that really counts. Another immunity win and you are golden. And everyone around you knows this. No one's going to vote you out because you're too valuable to the tribe, no one can vote you out because you're wearing the power. All is peace and beauty in Vanuatu.So, flush with your good fortune and knowing that no matter what happens, you can't be voted out that night, you give up the necklace to your ideal Final Two partner, protecting your investment in the million and making extra-sure you've got just the right end game laid out. After your inevitable vote-out three minutes later, this site would be completely justified in laughing at you for the next, oh, call it five years. Minimum. It's a very rough parallel and doesn't have a whole lot of straight lines drawn between the situations. But the core idea is the same: you are never so secure in the game that you can afford to sacrifice protection. If anyone wants to dispute that, go ahead and sign up for the shows, then demonstrate it in front of the camera. We'll wait.
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09-17-04, 04:45 PM (EST)
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141. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Well, I see both sides of the issue here.Yeah, I see what Trump's saying. You don't want an executive who is would leave the company out for failure. However, I don't *quite* buy the entire justification for firing Bradford. Maybe it's the cynic in me talking, but this was clearly done for surprise and a ratings draw. Sure, Trump had a reason, but it's almost like a justification for the viewing audience. I mean, let's just have a checkers tournament next week instead. It would be cheaper for Trump, and it saves the time for an actual challenge. 
Trump can do whatever he wants. It just seemed a little "Andy Dicque-ish" this week.
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09-17-04, 05:39 PM (EST)
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150. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Is anyone keeping a list of those who have sworn never to watch another episode becuase of the Brad firing. I am willing to bet that most of those who have sworn never to watch again will be back next week, posting away. Gotta love reality TV.
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09-17-04, 06:24 PM (EST)
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151. "Let's Clear the Air" |
Yes, many of us are very disappointed with Trump’s rash decision to fire Bradford in last night’s episode. I keep reading posting after posting about risk, stupidity, etc., etc. And I felt I needed to clear the air on some of these issues. First, a reality check. This is a TV show. Trump owns it. I didn’t watch last season, but a lot of people I respect in the corporate world told me I should, that it would prove to be an invaluable learning experience. Like reading a book on how to become successful authored by a millionaire. You get the idea. But last night’s episode put "The Apprentice" in rank with all other game/reality shows. Trump sold out the main premise of the show (“the best of the best” -- only the best will make it) and opted to shock the audience, knowing it would stir up controversy and give the show higher ratings. Which would equal more viewers next week, etc. He owns the show and in that respect he took a risk that the reward of creating hype was worth selling out the show’s basic premise. Consequently, to fans expecting to see a true business tycoon at the top of his game, his actions of firing Bradford was highly disappointing. Even the lowest level manager would not do such a foolish thing. But again, another reality check. This is Donald Trump we are dealing with. Among ego’s he is king. This man screams for attention. He’s been in the tabloids going on 3 decades now. He thrives on this stuff. He’s made guest appearances on many, many TV shows and does commercials. He loves being in the limelight, unlike most millionaire/billionaires. And so we have an irrational action, which will feed his ego for more attention. Now, onto risk. Too many people are posting that Bradford took an unnecessary risk and that it was foolish. The only risk Bradford took was believing that he was not on a game show and that he was in a real business environment, where the top performer would be rewarded and not punished. His behavior was, in no uncertain terms arrogant. Quite the contrary. Trump pushed him into the corner challenging his integrity, baiting him with the fact that he had immunity. And so Bradford sized an opportunity to shine and prove he’s a stand up guy and would say the same with or without immunity. To paraphrase, he’d waive his immunity and say the same thing. Wow! What a guy. Wouldn’t you love to have someone like this work for you? Someone not afraid to stand up and be accounted? Someone who won’t hide but will stand in the front line and take a bullet for the team? Two weeks in a row Trump gave Bradford an opportunity to prove that he was a man of pride and integrity, and Bradford seized both those opportunities to prove it to Trump face to face. Let’s put it in perspective. Trump’s reasoning on the show in firing Bradford was that Bradford made a stupid decision, and that if this was a business deal, he could jeopardize losing millions of dollars. OMG, I want to scream! This wasn’t diffusing a bomb, this wasn’t risking millions of dollars, this wasn’t jeopardizing a business deal. This was what it was. The boss asking an employee his opinion, and the boss questioning the integrity of the source. In order to gain respect as the source, one must put themselves on the line. As stated in the above paragraph Bradford seized this opportunity, with the bait Trump waived in front of him. I think Bradford respected Trump too much by assuming that Trump understood the differecne between the boss asking his opinion and blowing a million dollar business deal. Darn, if your boss is that stupid, avoid him at all costs. In the end, it was he, Trump who accepted Bradford’s proposal to waive his immunity. Even the lowest level manager will tell you, if his most valuable employee made a proposal that would inadvertently jeopardize that employee’s ability to perform, that request would be denied. So in this respect too, Trump sold out his audience, using Bradford as a pawn to hype his show and boost ratings. Trump baited Bradford, knowing Bradford was a man of integrity, and then blindsided him, selling out the premise of the show. Bradford believed that he had nothing to lose and more to gain, both for the team and for himself. He had been praised by all for his performance. He would gain the respect of the team by showing his integrity and standing as an equal with the other, instead of hiding behind a safety net, and he would prove to Trump once again that he is a man who takes pride in himself and his work. But as I said he forgot one very important thing, he’s on a TV show, not the real world, and he is playing a game with a man who falsely made all the players and all us viewers believe that the show would play by real business rules. Instead, he pulled a fast one on us and played by game show rules, where anyone can be blindsided. Trump tried to make it fit, by saying if this was a business deal you would cost the company millions of dollars, but only the simple minded would buy it. If it was a business deal and a vendor was questioning the integrity of the supplier, that vendor would walk away feeling more secure by Bradford’s response, not the converse. To be honest, up front, tell it how it is, and not hide behind anyone or anything, are traits which should be rewarded not punished … Um, in the real world. So this is why we are disappointed in Trump and the show. And I hope I’ve cleared the air on these issues.
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09-17-04, 08:34 PM (EST)
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159. "RE: Let's Clear the Air" |
First off, welcome to the boards. Great post.I don't really understand the "stupid" label that Bradford gets. I think it's a perfectly logical thought process: 1. In the first season, week after week, Trump fired the person who performed the poorest in the challenges.
2. Bradford certainly outperformed Ivana and Stacie J. in the ice cream challenge.
3. Hence, if Bradford did go to the boardroom, he wouldn't be in trouble. Doesn't seem like such a stupid thought process. In hindsight, it's so easy to say it was foolish, but it makes sense. Where Bradford messed up was in #1, thinking that Trump always bases his decisions on the challenges.
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09-17-04, 08:42 PM (EST)
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160. "RE: Let's Clear the Air" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-17-04 AT 08:50 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 09-17-04 AT 08:45 PM (EST) >>First, a reality check. This is a TV show. Trump owns it.
>>The only risk Bradford took was believing that he was not on a
>>game show and that he was in a real business environment If Bradford failed a simple reality check on his environment, an environment he should have studied prior or at least anticipated was probable, then Bradford was a fool. He wasn't a viewer flipping channels, he was a contestant and therefore should have known better. A TV show with contests, immunity rewards and ratings where he is a contestant... could never be a "real business" environment. >>Trump sold out the main premise of the show (“the best of the
>>best” -- only the best will make it) and opted to shock the
>>audience, knowing it would stir up controversy and give the
>>show higher ratings. First, if you've never worked for someone who did something shocking then you have lived a rare or short life. Second, I honestly was *not* shocked by Trump's decision since Bradford's decision was extremely stupid. Many others weren't shocked either. I was only shocked by Bradford giving up his immunity for no good reason than to stroke his ego more. >>He owns the show and in that respect he took a risk that the
>>reward of creating hype was worth selling out the show’s basic
>>premise. If you believe that from the limited footage you saw then Bradford should have anticipated that as a possible result since he was the one there. If Bradford failed to calculate the risk-reward of his actions, much less the worst-case scenario, then he deserved to be fired. >>But again, another reality check.
>>This is Donald Trump we are dealing with. Among ego’s he is
>>king. This man screams for attention. He’s been in the tabloids
>>going on 3 decades now. He thrives on this stuff. He’s made
>>guest appearances on many, many TV shows and does commercials.
>>He loves being in the limelight, unlike most
>>millionaire/billionaires. And so we have an irrational action,
>>which will feed his ego for more attention. Therefore, if you were going to be a contestant on The Apprentice common sense would tell you not to take unnecessary risks regarding attention and ego with Trump. You're just a viewer & you know that... Bradford being a contestant should know that & much much more about Trump. Bradford hardly knows Trump. Another reality check that Bradford failed. >>His behavior was, in no uncertain terms arrogant. Quite the
>>contrary. Trump pushed him into the corner challenging his
>>integrity, baiting him with the fact that he had immunity. Trump at no point asked for him to give up his immunity, such as on Survivor. Trump at no point offered a reward for giving up his immunity either. It was Brad who baited Trump by offering to throw away his valuable immunity for nothing. Trump even was kind enough to ask if he was sure and Brad was kept blind by his arrogance. >>To paraphrase, he’d waive his immunity and say the same thing.
>>Wow! What a guy. Wouldn’t you love to have someone like this
>>work for you? No. >>Someone not afraid to stand up and be accounted?
>>If it was a business deal and a vendor was questioning the
>>integrity of the supplier, that vendor would walk away feeling
>>more secure by Bradford’s response, not the converse. If he was not afraid he wouldn't have retracted his statement after Trump called it stupid. Instead Bradford crumbled & admitted it was a mistake later.
If it was a business deal and a vendor accepted Brad's offer only to have Brad later admit his offer was a mistake it would raise some serious red flags for the vendor and definitely not make them more secure. Besides you said this wasn't a business deal, it only "was what it was." >>Someone who won’t hide but will stand in the front line and
>>take a bullet for the team? Bradford did not "take a bullet for the team". If you believe Brad is so great then "taking the bullet" *hurts* the team since they are left with worse team members. He did not give up his immunity for a 1hour head start on the next project or a luxury reward, he threw it away for nothing. Therefore, his action was not "for the team" in any intangible or tangible aspect... it was for *his* ego. Only the simple-minded would fall for Brad's "I'm a general" delusion. >>The boss asking an employee his opinion, and the boss
>>questioning the integrity of the source. In order to gain
>>respect as the source, one must put themselves on the line. Trump never questioned Bradford's integrity, he only asked how he thought he did in his performance. Trump never said anything suggesting doubt. As you mentioned, Trump said he *thought* he was the best in the room. Bradford proved otherwise. >>Even the lowest level manager will tell you, if his most
>>valuable employee made a proposal that would inadvertently
>>jeopardize that employee’s ability to perform, that request
>>would be denied. Bradford was not an employee. He was a candidate/contestant for 1 "best of the best" job. Trump has probably selected a couple losers by now. The order the losers open their rejection letters is irrelevant. >>Bradford believed that he had nothing to lose and more to gain,
>>both for the team and for himself. As mentioned earlier, the team gained nothing for his careless action. And if Bradford believed he had nothing to lose by cutting himself & jumping into the lion's den then he's a fool.
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09-18-04, 02:40 AM (EST)
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168. "RE: Let's Clear the Air" |
Well said, and most off your comments are exactly why I am so disappointed. I knew it was a reality TV show, but I wasn’t expecting it to fit that cliché. I heard great things about it last season, and the 1st week’s episode was great! The weakest got fired. So I saw these contestants were really going to have to do a good job and dazzle the boss. What I got this week was reality TV norm. Shock value, and contestants as well as the host blindsiding the players. It wasn’t a real board room, it was a joke, everyone trying to blindside Stacie J, then when Trump’s ego was caught off guard, Ivana (not immediately) took advantage of it and brought Brad back into the boardroom. I tuned in this season expecting to learn a thing or two each week from the master. But for me, it is just a game show now. Trump demonstrated his biggest weakness, his ego and Jen took advantage of it ... feeding Trump's ego. Trump bought it, hook line and sinker, (and of course he would), and fired Brad, the strongest member that week. Now the contestants will be playing this like a game, and won’t fear being the weakest, nor will they fear the boardroom. This will be just like every other reality show, where the contestants will manipulate it to get the strongest voted off, etc., etc. But there is a twist. The strongest performers not only have to fear being blindsided by their fellow players, they should now also fear being blindsided by the host. But I do get what you are saying and see the lesson here so perhaps this is a unique circumstance and the lesson to be learned from the master is not so much his words, but his actions, no matter how strong a performer you are, do not mess with the boss’s ego! And the camera pan to Carolyn where she agrees with Trump, on his decision, would substantiate how important it is to stroke your Boss’s ego. She agrees? Come on, that’s a contradiction to her original opinion! Neither she nor George recommended that Trump fire Bradford. Very important lesson indeed. Never mess with the boss! You may be good, but if you don’t do a little brown nosing, you aren’t going to get very far. I think I’ll do a 180 here and continue to watch the show although my expectations have been lowered.
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180. "RE: Let's Clear the Air" |
I've seen alot of threads that have commented on Bradford being the strongest player so far. I can't say I agree to that conclusion. While Bradford definitely stepped up during his week of immunity, and really got out to sell ice cream for his team, he still did seem to lord over them (comments like I want my girls to really sex things up -- before they went out to sell ice cream that morning, etc.). Most of the gals seem to roll their eyes after he left. Prior to the boardroom, he seemed to try to give the girls some advice, but it really came across more like rubbing the fact that he was immune in their faces. To me, the strongest player is a combination of someone who can gets results for his team, and gets their respect by the way they treat them. While Nick had his share of detractors on this board (especially toward the end), it seemed to me that most of his teammates (Bill, Amy, Katrina) respected him and his leadership as PM. Bill can certainly be included in this list from last season. I don't think Bradford was able to cultivate that kind of respect from a majority of the ladies at Apex. The only one who seemed to remotely care about his opinion was Jenn C. (I base this on her proximity to him during some of the clips from the suite, and the fact that she took him up on dressing in a provocative way for the task).
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152. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
LAST EDITED ON 09-24-04 AT 06:12 PM (EST) by SurvivorBlows (admin)LAST EDITED ON 09-17-04 AT 06:58 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 09-17-04 AT 06:44 PM (EST) Bradford was just popping off at the mouth. He had a cocky moment. He would never have said it if he thought Trump would take him up on it.
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Pepito 587 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-04, 10:07 PM (EST)
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164. "RE: Trump makes huge error...NOT" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-17-04 AT 10:09 PM (EST)Whew!! Long thread here... Bradford DESERVED to be fired. I won't repeat what's already been said here so well already, but I am glad to see his sorry, cocky, conceited a55 gone. I also though that this was one of the best episodes of The Apprentice ever...going into this episode, we all knew that Bradford had immunity...after watching the footage of the competition unfold, the final decisive action didn't happen until actually in the boardroom, so it was just impossible to have foreseen it. Wow! A real bit of excitement!!
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09-17-04, 11:19 PM (EST)
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165. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I totally agree. Trump is an idiot and to be perfectly honest, I'm already sick of him. He better come up with a better TV persona because the "real" Trump is played out. I really think the show will lose public interest by the end of this season if Trump doesn't stop acting like such an arrogant narcissistic a-hole! Firing Bradford was a ridiculous ploy by Trump to stir up the fans and make controversy for the show. He should talk about making stupid mistakes after 2 failed marriages and going bankrupted! The whole thing is a real turn off!
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09-17-04, 11:52 PM (EST)
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166. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Trump made an agregious error here. What I want to know is, where is the accountability for the failed task? It is simply incomprehensible to me that the person that Trump himself dubbed as "the best performer of all" and the best performer almost to a man(or woman) of anyone else on the team was fired!! I realize that tv is about ratings, that is why the "shock" factor works so well for tv, but this show should reward the best, not the worst, which is exactly what Trump did.Yes, the decision to give up immunity was questionable at best, but I am moving past that. Did that decision cost the team the task? Absolutely Not! That said, any of the three women in the board room were better choices to fire than Brad. Ivana could not make a decision to save her life. It took way too much time to get a flavor for the ice cream. The men had a flavor within a few minutes of brainstorming. That is true leadership, focus on the task at hand, make a decision and move forward. Stacie, where do I start with her. She is this years freak show. It also was crystal clear in the board room that she was the absolute weak link. Everyone, including the gargoyles, thought she was the poorest. One thing you learn as a leader is to listen to the masses. The mass will have a louder voice than any one person. I cannot believe that someone as successful as Trump would turn his back on this truism. He had a chance to strengthen the women's team by dismissing Stacie or Ivana. He chose to punish a strong performer that made a bad decision which was non-task related. I lot of people in this forum are pointing out that Brad was too gung-ho, had too much ego and made rash decisions. If that was true, Trump should have fired himself because his "rash" decision was the poorest of all. A leader cannot make the rash decision, your subordinate can. AS a leader, it is your job to teach, coach your subordinates. Trump should have strongly reprimanded Brad for making his decision. That would have sent the message to the other candidates not to do that, and then dismissed someone for poor task related performance.
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Pepito 587 desperate attention whore postings
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09-18-04, 00:25 AM (EST)
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167. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Welcome to the boards, jo123 & pro34!>Yes, the decision to give up immunity was questionable at best,
>but I am moving past that. OK, you breezed past that, but obviously, Donald did not.
>If that was true, Trump should have fired himself because his >"rash" decision was the poorest of all.
But Trump, you see, is the boss and in a position to act out his "rash" decision. Bradford should have realized that he was not in such a position and should have played more defensively. A boss made a decision based on temper, selfishness, need to control, personal biases, etc. And his decision holds. Just like real life.
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09-18-04, 11:30 AM (EST)
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169. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I personally think anybody who agrees with Trump's decision really wasn't paying attention to what was going on. Bradford simply was trying to state how confident he was about his performance in this task (which he should have been confident because he did perform very well). It was just a statement. He says, I'm so confident about how well I did, I would give up my exemption. Trump, who is the real a-hole had to act like a prick and call him on it. Come-on, its obvious, he was just expressing his confidence. So, what is the guy supposed to do at that point. My guess is if he backed out and said, no no I was kidding, Trump would have had something to say about that!
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09-18-04, 06:15 PM (EST)
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171. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I think what Trump may have meant was that Bradford - in a real-life situation - would have given up tenure which really bothered Trump.I've watched all through Apprentice 1 and 2, and I tried to figure out when Trump got really upset, instead noticed how he actually kept his cool. But this time with Brad, he was extremely agitated. Trump seems to get short, sarcastic, more visibly annoyed and the comments he makes just rolls off his tongue, bam, bam, bam one after another. He builds it up then lowers the boom. I disagree with Trump that giving up he immunity would cause a company to fail unless he's speaking of a key employee who suddenly decides to quit and see the other side of life. However, they say no one is indispensible in business, so there's always someone waiting in line to take your place. In that moment, Trump seemed more like a mobster/gangster than ever. Does anyone else see the friction between Trump, Caroline and George?
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09-18-04, 10:48 PM (EST)
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174. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
LAST EDITED ON 09-18-04 AT 10:48 PM (EST) I think he wanted to send a message to the rest of the "would be hires" that you cannot be that cocky and throw one of his rules back in his face.
I think you hit the nail on the head here drebaby! Bradford was the first PM granted immunity, to throw that away was, in DT's eyes, like saying "naw, I don't want no friggin advantage".
This was totally a message to the others! Do not throw a gift back in your possible future boss's face! oh... and welcome to the boards!
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09-19-04, 05:34 AM (EST)
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176. "Bradford makes a huge error" |
I read how some posters emphasized the difference between real life and tv.It's not about real business world or reality tv show, it's about business AND reality tv. Just like in the real world it's never in black and white. The very best and most important quality to get anywhere in life is to know how to get along with people, period. Bradford had skills, he was good candidate, yet from day one he didn't deal well with people. It happened again in the boardroom. He pronounces Carolyn Kepcher name wrong, AND with confidence, he casually tells Trump...thank you but no thank you for your exemption reward. It's not easy to know how to get along with people, but too often, for such a crucial matter, Bradford was a miserable idiot. Never throw down the gauntlet to a megalomaniac who is in a position of power over you. Trump didn't fire Bradford, Bradford fired himself
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09-19-04, 12:17 PM (EST)
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177. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
I don't know about a huge error... I don't think that I would have chosen that way, but I can't say that it was an error.Bradford was not valiant, he was looking (or even punching) a gift horse in the mouth - Very arrogant and foolish to throw into Trump's face that he did not need Trump's gift of immunity. It is one thing to be a team player, but one cannot expect to be irreplaceable; not ever. Essentially, Bradford forgot his place in front of the board. And this is what this game is all about - never forget your place within and outside the team parameters. I don't like Stacie J, but... For once, I had to agree with Carolyn, and thought that Ivana needed to go - in a hurry. She is too wishy-washy and lacks the leadership skills needed. Further, she is way too defensive, and very redundant in her own defence. Enough already Ivana, you will be soon to go.
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09-19-04, 10:46 PM (EST)
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179. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Now, now... nobility should be defined within context - In India, suttees were considered to be honorable also; they committed suicide by throwing themselves onto their husbands' funeral pires. However, suttees as with kamikazes, did this for a reason, a fundamental belief that what they were doing was for the greater good and honor of themselves as well as others.Good ol' Brad however, did this because he thought that he was invincible. Let's call it as it is... He rambled nicely and backtracked beautifully in the cab, something about the greater good... blah, blah... Had they kept rolling tape, he may have even offerred to save his team-members' kittens from trees, and he likely jumped out of the cab to help an elderly woman cross the street with her groceries. Nonetheless, in the boardroom, he clearly stated he would put himself up, as he felt that HE HAD DONE NOTHING WRONG. I would venture to think that this was not noble, but arrogant.
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09-20-04, 10:59 AM (EST)
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181. "RE: Trump makes huge error." |
Donald Trump gave the players of this season 2 new "rewards" or "gifts" that were not available last season. The first was the board room exemption if you were a team leader and your team won the previous week. The second was the ability to take 3 people into the board room with you, as opposed to 2 people last season. These were "gifts" from Trump and he was offended that Brad didnt want the gift. It was also obvious last week and this week that Trump was irritated that people chose 2 people to go into the board room with them instead of 3. It would be like someone not enjoying the steak that Trump served at his penthouse. Trump is so egotistical that he truley belives that everything he gives out is gold and people should be honored to have whatever bone he throws out. I agree that Trump saw this as a gift and was offended when Brad rejected the gift. It would be the same thing as spitting out the food that your host served you. There is an unspoken rule of decorum when you are in other people's houses: you play by their rules and you act appreciative of what they give you- even if you dont really want it or like it (ie; for all we know some of the guys hated caviar but none would say to Trump, I dont want to eat here). Here, the group is playing Trump's game, therefore they must play by his rules. He gave out a gift and they must graciously accept the gift or else offend him. That having been said, it is obvious that firing Brad was the right thing to do for the following reason:
Brad's impulsivity was more in the nature of bad manners- though Trump didnt explain it well. For example, if a president of the USA goes to visit a foriegn leader of (lets say )China and the leader is eating a meal of raw snake, the president must eat the snake or else risk offending his host and risk the entire negotiation falling through. Different cultures are different in their sensitivities. Trump knows that he deals with many foreign investors to build his buildings and was faced with a glaring example that Brad's gut instinct was very off. Therefore Trump, who was thinking of the big picture and not just THIS assignment was thinking that Brad, being a little crass (and pretty inarticulate for a lawyer) would be the type of person to scew up a negotiation for something as stupid as offending the other side (by comparion, note Jenn who ate her shrimp with the same fork Trump used, etc) THough it sounds like trivial, this is an attention to detail that Trump obviously sees as integral to the type of work he does, especially since so much of it involves negotiations. As for Ivana and Tracy, they are both aweful and will most likley screew up in the upcoming weeks- Trump will get his chance to fire them. But Brad may not have messed up on an actual task b.c he is a skilled salesman and Trump had to fire him when the chance was there- Trump's gut told him that he could not have a guy like this working for him- and even though Trumnp didnt do a great job of explaining his decision, I think it was a very smart choice to get rid of Brad.
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09-20-04, 01:44 PM (EST)
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185. "RE: The worst thing to me " |
I totally agree- Trump is making mental notes that Ivana was an aweful leader and (I think) did an aweful job in the board room- being overly agressive and arguing with Trump, not being decisive, etc- so he can fire her down the road because she will definitely screw up again- but he needed to fire Brad now b.c Brad did something he considered to be fundamentally wrong-
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09-20-04, 05:27 PM (EST)
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186. "RE: The worst thing to me " |
agreed, however Trump's own words were that if you catch someone in a lie you fire them on the spot dont give them a chance to ever lie to you again becuz they will. Kwame failed to do this wit omarosa and he got fired. By not firing Ivana when she has been proven to be a liar he has proven himself to be a hypocrite.
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09-20-04, 09:41 PM (EST)
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188. "RE: The worst thing to me " |
oh my dear lord. i love the people who really have the inside scoop because they watched the "extended" episode. super. now you've seen 0.7% of the actual footage - you definitely know the real deal. after 2 episodes, there is no chance we have an accurate portrayal of these people. that's the point. this show is solely about drama and plot twists. what if ivana is actually really strong and they just don't want you to know it yet. and how do we know she lied? they edited it one way on thursday and another way saturday - how do we know either is right? why would they ever let us know what really happened? you people need to be able to apply some degree of skepticism and not just blindly swallow whatever nbc feeds you. ivana was nominated as "a natural leader" - so either she was set up or they really believe that - we'll see in weeks to come. but "i watched the extended version - this is what really happened?" how ignorant can you get?
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09-20-04, 10:23 PM (EST)
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189. "Do not bash other posters" |
Speaking of ignorant, please take a moment to familiarize yourself with the community guidelines - there's a link at the top of the page. Insulting other posters is not permitted on these forums. Please remember that if you wish to continue posting here.
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191. "RE: Do not bash other posters" |
Sorry Mr. 10000 posts, but I don't have much of an interest in saying anything else. I came across this link when I was looking for more information, and I was simply stunned by the number of people who felt free to judge - not just judge, but condem and abuse - these people after a couple hours of violently edited footage.
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09-21-04, 08:54 AM (EST)
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192. "Actually" |
That's Ms. Forum Moderator to you. And if you don't wish to follow our community guidelines, I suggest you move on to somewhere else that tolerates that sort of behavior. Here, it just results in termination of your membership. We're not that kind of place.
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