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"What's so bad about Keith?"
Thinking 104 desperate attention whore postings
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04-15-01, 10:50 PM (EST)
 
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"What's so bad about Keith?" |
Hi, guys!I've been noticing a lot of posts here and elsewhere that talk about how arrogant Keith is, making him less worthy than the remaining four contestants. I don't think he's any less arrogant than Colby or even Tina, from what I can see. Am I missing something? Early on, Keith and Jerri got into it, true. But any enemy of Jerri's is no friend of mine!  Besides which, I recall in the first episode how Keith tried to involve Jerri while he struggled to start fire (and she banged her bongo), which showed an attempt to reach out to her despite their rough start. When Jerri arrogantly took over the cooking, Keith told the camera it was fine with him, despite Jerri making out she'd usurped his power and shamed him before the tribe. When Jerri demanded he bury the fish guts, he went along with it, though he--and most of America--agreed it was an idiotic thing to do. Yes, they argued about when to cook the green tomatoes. But if I was a professional chef, I'd want my opinion considered when it involved cooking--just as any expert would about their field. Who isn't "arrogant" to a degree about their area of expertise? Whe
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04-16-01, 00:19 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: What's so bad about Keith?" |
Hi!...I'm a newbie, but I've been lurking here for a lil while. so I thought I'd join yall. I agree with this post completely...sure he was a tad bit arrogant by not bringing his backpack to TC, and perhaps he's burned too many bridges (he ain't gonna win against any of the other remaining five if he goes into the final two) But he's not malicious or overly conniving...plus he's rather amusing. Who doesn't get a kick out of a professional chef who can't cook friggin rice? His comments about Scerri are priceless...I have a soft spot in my heart for him, but I don't see him getting much furthur in the game...sorry, i had to pick something to discuss for my virgin post 
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desert_rhino 10087 desperate attention whore postings
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04-16-01, 09:53 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: What's so bad about Keith?" |
>Yes, they argued about when to cook the green tomatoes. But if I
>was a professional chef, I'd want my opinion considered when it
>involved cooking--just as any expert would about their field.
>Who isn't "arrogant" to a degree about their area of expertise?1: The stupid tomatoes were already pulled up and dead. The point of arguing that they'd have been better a day longer on the vine was what? 2: A smart professional chef would put in his 2 bits' worth and shut up, if it was clear his opinion wasn't wanted. 3: I go back to my previous comment about the Corn-Cobster, and expand it slightly to say that neither he nor Keith have yet learned that sometimes winning is losing. Arrogance invariably leads to excessive attempts to "win." 4: Is this about who's the better cook when you've got some fish, a handful of nasty green wild tomatoes and a cup of rice, or is it (and I'm voting for this one, myself) about who gets handed a check for a million dollars? -- JV 
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darbygrl 293 desperate attention whore postings
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04-16-01, 10:30 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: What's so bad about Keith?" |
corn-cobster---LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thinking 104 desperate attention whore postings
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04-16-01, 11:30 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: What's so bad about Keith?" |
>1: The stupid tomatoes were
>already pulled up and dead.
> The point of arguing
>that they'd have been better
>a day longer on the
>vine was what? >>So Jerri denuded the entire bush? Or were there others he was hoping she wouldn't pick before their time? >2: A smart professional chef
>would put in his 2
>bits' worth and shut up,
>if it was clear his
>opinion wasn't wanted.>> I agree. Keith's not perfect by any means. I just don't think he's as arrogant as some think. >3: I go back to
>my previous comment about the
>Corn-Cobster, and expand it slightly
>to say that neither he
>nor Keith have yet learned
>that sometimes winning is losing.
> Arrogance invariably leads to
>excessive attempts to "win." >> Right. But he hasn't won squat in a while. Consequently, who do the tribe members think is the bigger threat--Keith, or Colby? In fact, I'd venture to say he's the one all of them would prefer to be in the final two with, at this point.
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desert_rhino 10087 desperate attention whore postings
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04-16-01, 11:51 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: What's so bad about Keith?" |
>So Jerri denuded the entire bush?
>Or were there others he
>was hoping she wouldn't pick
>before their time? Nah, she just yanked the whole thing up by the roots, and carried it back to camp. Stupid, but non-reversible, so his bitchy comments were worthless and only aggravated the situation. >I agree. Keith's not perfect by
>any means. I just don't
>think he's as arrogant as
>some think. I think what we have with keith is an equal measure of arrogance and mediocre intelligence. He chooses very bad times to assert himself. >Right. But he hasn't won squat in a while. Consequently, who
>do the tribe members think is the bigger threat--Keith, or
>Colby? In fact, I'd venture to say he's the one
>all of them would prefer to be in the final
>two with, at this point. The kind of thing I am talking about when I say "win" is his "winning" the argument about walking across the log in the current. It was a stupid argument, he took a stupid, dangerous position, and then had to "win," because he'd staked his pride on doing it. Tina's plan was much smarter and safer. Faster, too. I also think that being the person you want with you in the final 2 is hardly a position of honor. It's a statement that the person has so alienated and ticked off everyone on the jury that you're practically guaranteed a check for $1,000,000. -- JV
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dangerkitty 1913 desperate attention whore postings
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04-16-01, 12:06 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: What's so bad about Keith?" |
I think a lot of what you are seeing lately re: Keith is due to the editing last 2 eps. Yes, there is an element of arrogance to his personality and style. Not saying it's good or bad, just the way he comes across. But in last 2 eps, it has been highlighted. Because Jerri is gone, and they need to give us someone to dislike, a source of conflict. The preview of the Colby-Keith spat may or may not be relevant to anything, but conflict is what makes good TV. I also notice a tendency to portray Keith as a bit of a dufus or fool.Last 2 eps: During food auction, camera caught Keith' pouting face as he lost out on couple of items. Editing choice. During IC fire building, editing showed him tossing his bucket prematurely, then again his pout was captured when Colby won. Another backhanded swipe was after rescue of rice, it was Keith who went into the river with the matches in his pocket. Oh, we also had the interview about the grasshoppers where is remarks about Cowboy Colby suggested jealousy. Caption on the RC "Keith last place". Keith is getting the tag of both arrogant AND a fool. This is just the facts of the editing that people are responding to. Potential for conflict, which preview for next week confirms as occuring. Keith is the one that is being used as a lightening rod for conflict. Is it entirely fair and accurate? Well... just like Jerri, you can't edit in something that didn't happen, but for all we know his stuff is being emphasized, and other people's annoying moments are not shown. Gotta have conflict!
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Donzi 39 desperate attention whore postings
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04-16-01, 07:18 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: What's so bad about Keith?" |
Great post, kitty... There's not much I can add. I agree that due to the editing Keith is being portrayed as the source of conflict, and that's what makes the show interesting. After all, what if the final five were all Lis or Rodger clones? We would love everyone. There would be no one to stir up any dissention or conflict, and our discussions about the personalities on the show would be all sweet and loving and BORING! Look how we hated Jerri, and after she was booted we had ambivalent feelings. Sure, we were elated that she was gone, but it was a letdown in that we didn't have that witch around to bash anymore. Not that I mean to imply that Keith is the male counterpart of Jerri, just that he is being portrayed as the least likeable of the remaining survivors.That having been said, I'm going on record as saying that Keith is the one I'm pulling for to go all the way. I've liked this guy from day 1, and I have yet to waver in my opinion that he should walk off with the million.
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Survivorchick 1161 desperate attention whore postings
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04-18-01, 03:08 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: What's so bad about Keith?" |
If you think about who is left in the game at this point, we are getting low on bad guys. In S1, I didn't really like ANY of the final five contestants. In S2, I like them all. Now that Jerri's gone, we need to hate somebody. Is it going to be Liz? Obviously not. Colby is pretty likeable. Tina is sweet, if also conniving. We can't complain about Rodger. Keith becomes the bad guy by default. A nice guy in general (especially when compared to the Richs and Kellys of the past) But he should've been voted off a long time ago. A little bit of arrogance goes a long way.
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Thinking 104 desperate attention whore postings
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04-18-01, 03:21 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: What's so bad about Keith?" |
>If you think about who is
>left in the game at
>this point, we are getting
>low on bad guys. In
>S1, I didn't really like
>ANY of the final five
>contestants. In S2, I like
>them all. Now that Jerri's
>gone, we need to hate
>somebody. Is it going to
>be Liz? Obviously not. Colby
>is pretty likeable. Tina is
>sweet, if also conniving. We
>can't complain about Rodger. Keith
>becomes the bad guy by
>default. A nice guy in
>general (especially when compared to
>the Richs and Kellys of
>the past) But he should've
>been voted off a long
>time ago. A little bit
>of arrogance goes a long
>way. If it's about arrogance, Colby has it in spades. I don't need to have a bad guy to root against (I can't wait for goodness to prevail, to prove to Dique that his way of winning isn't the ONLY way!). But of the rest of them, I LEAST like Tina for being a backpack-searching, Benedict Tina backstabber. Here's a link to a great article that perfectly captures how I feel about the Keithster: http://www.3bigshows.com/survivorii-keith.shtml Here's an excerpt that captures my own feelings: "I love this guy. He is the ONLY one to take an early disadvantage against himself, stand up to peer pressure, exert his physical strength, endurance, and will to persevere, and come out on the better side. (At this point.) Sure, Keith has a bit of an attitude, especially around Jerri, but wouldn't YOU? I would love to see Keith win, I surely would. Sure, he's obnoxious about his cooking expertise, so what. No one is perfect. But he's strategizing, he's showing that forty-year-olds can get the job done, and he is honest in his approach to the game."
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04-19-01, 11:27 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: What's so bad about Keith?" |
Thinking, I love your thoughtful posts! Thanks for the link to the article about Keith, AKA "Carrots." Of all the remaining survivors, he is being portrayed in the worst light, but I love the guy for all the reasons you stated and I'm hoping he goes all the way! When he proposed to his girlfriend online, I had tears in my eyes. It was so touching. (Actually, the whole show was a big tear-fest on my part. LOL)
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04-20-01, 02:45 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: What's so bad about Keith?" |
>Here's an excerpt that captures my
>own feelings: "I love this
>He is the ONLY one to take an early disadvantage against himself, stand up to peer pressure, exert his physical strength, endurance, and will to persevere, and come out on the better side. (At this point.) Sure, Keith has a bit of an attitude, especially around Jerri, but wouldn't YOU? I would love to see Keith win, I surely would. Sure, he's obnoxious about his cooking expertise, so what. No one is perfect. But he's strategizing, he's showing that forty-year-olds can get the job done, and he is honest in his approach to the game." *** Well, I'm sorry I'm chiming in late here, but better late than never! This is what I've said all along - WHAT is not to like about this guy??? I truly, honestly DO NOT see the arrogance and pomposity that others are complaining about! He's been decent and solid all along - loyal to that pretty boy dufus Colby (speaking of pompous!) and to Tina, good to everyone except Jerri - and can you blame him? I also admire the fact that he had Jerri's number from the minute they got off the plane. When Amber, Mitchell, and yes, for a time at firs, Colby and Tina were all blinded by her, she didn't have Keith fooled for a second! He saved their rice, he hasn't back-stabbed a single person, he's played the game like a gentleman - HOW is this guy coming off as an a.sshole? I just don't see it! And Donzi - I got so weepy during the whole show too (I'm such a chump, LOL!!!)! I loved how he proposed online! I can't believe some people are calling that part of his "strategizing"!!!! Unreal! Okay, now Cowboy Colby bringing back coral - THAT's strategizing! That's one thing. But Keith just asked another person to spend the rest of her life with him, for cryin' out loud! Something that will change both of their lives - and folks want to accuse him of doing THAT to strategize the game???? I think it was a moment for him, at the risk of sounding corny. He's cold, he's homesick, he's hungry - hell, they all are. And in a moment of inspiration, he's in contact with his girlfriend for the first time in over a month on the other side of the world, and boom! He just pops the question. I was totally touched, but I wasn't surprised! Who among us might not be thinking along those lines in the situation he's in? He misses her, he loves her, he hasn't heard from her in a month - and yes, his better nature took over. That people think he's strategizing by doing something that changes both of their lives so significntly is just crass! (And I'm totally surprised that our Miss Blu Savana isn't in on this thread!) **************************************
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04-22-01, 10:47 AM (EST)
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17. "RE: What's so bad about Keith?" |
>If it's about arrogance, Colby has it in spades.You have it backwards..."f it's about arrogance, KEITH has it in spades. Allow me to quote from that great article you love so much that "perfectly captures how I feel about the Keithster"... "Right now, I'm feeling more ambilivent regarding Keith. I was a staunch supporter through almost this entire series, and in some ways, I still respect Keith for standing up to Jerri when it wasn't the popular or safe thing to do, but I also am now finally beginning to see and acknowledge the "attitude" that others have seen and talked about." -Cher There's a conspiracy around every corner.
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Thinking 104 desperate attention whore postings
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04-22-01, 09:31 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: What's so bad about Keith?" |
>>If it's about arrogance, Colby has it in spades.
>
>You have it backwards..."f it's about
>arrogance, KEITH has it in
>spades. Allow me to
>quote from that great article
>you love so much that
>"perfectly captures how I feel
>about the Keithster"...
>
>"Right now, I'm feeling more ambilivent
>regarding Keith. I was a
>staunch supporter through almost this
>entire series, and in some
>ways, I still respect Keith
>for standing up to Jerri
>when it wasn't the popular
>or safe thing to do,
>but I also am now
>finally beginning to see and
>acknowledge the "attitude" that others
>have seen and talked about." Where are the examples? What is she seeing? I don't agree with the author so much anymore (since she keeps adding to her article week by week, it makes sense). In fact, I e-mailed Gwennie about her silly idea that Keith cheated in the last IC, when all he did was ALMOST pick up one key, then go for the other. Especially silly when it's clear on tape that COLBY cheated in the previous RC when he had both his carabiners off the ropes! But Gwennie loves Colby, see, so she's somewhat biased. Besides, I didn't say Keith WASN'T somewhat arrogant, just no more than other players are in other ways. The MOST ARROGANT player as I see it now is TINA. She has a real God Complex. She sits there deciding people's fates based on whether they have impressed her or not, like Lamber ("She hasn't shown ME blah blah blah") and most recently Rodger, looking for him to sacrafice himself for Elizabeth. Gross.
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Cherberrie 1285 desperate attention whore postings
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04-24-01, 11:12 AM (EST)
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22. "RE: What's so bad about Keith?" |
I have no intention of getting into a "pissing contest" with you over Keith. Let's face it: I think he sucks and you don't. We should just agree to disagree and go on our separate merry ways!
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04-25-01, 05:21 AM (EST)
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26. "OMG " |
The <click> is the sound of the official OMG counter clicking over evrytime someone says OMG.
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04-23-01, 11:36 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: What's so bad about Keith?" |
Duh!! He's a total sissy!! I don't like the way he acted innocently in front of the whole world! About the marriage thing, I think Peas said yes just as a cover-up!! Who on earth would embarrass his/her boyfriend in front of the whole world.!
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04-27-01, 01:23 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: What's so bad about Keith?" |
When Keith asked Tina to drop off the post into the water so he could win immunity, that told the guy's character. I lost all respect for him. Was tickled pink to see Jerri go. I definitely want Tina to win. That is a lady with character.
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04-27-01, 10:19 PM (EST)
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34. "RE: What's so bad about Keith?" |
Out of the final three, Keith is my fave. Go figure. Really can't think of a whole lot he's done that's been worse than what Colby and Tina have.......I'm suprised at the animosity everyone has against the three personally, I think Keith, Colby, and Tina sounds a hell of a lot better than Rudy, Richard, and Kelly....but, just my opinion.
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