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"Final Boot Order "
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There is absolutely no proof of it's validity. And having Sera's seal of approval does not mean a whole lot either since he is a master of deception. However, I personally think this is close to the way the game pans out.After getting rid of Ami this week, Julie sides with Eliza and Chris to bust up Twila/Scout, ousting the stronger of the two, Twila. At F4 the only way Julie makes it through is with an immunity win, which could happen, but I think she doesn't win and is the boot which leaves Chris, Eliza, and Scout. Eliza wins final immunity by outlasting them both and takes Chris to the finals, only to lose. Chris wins in a 4-3 vote. 
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2. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
LAST EDITED ON 11-29-04 AT 07:44 PM (EST)I think we should also look towards the traditional F4 and F3 challenges to help us determine who *could* win IC and further themselves in the game. I'm aware that it often has been a surprise who win these things, but I think it's a little more in favour of certain people to do well this time around. The F4 challenge has been more often than not the "Fallen Comrades" quiz, and the clear favourite, in my mind, would have to be Eliza. If Eliza wins here and the other F4 are Chris, Scout and Julie, then it seems that Chris and Julie would stick together with Eliza to boot Scout (after breaking her up from Twila in F5) - they've got to boot someone who would be respected by the jury. If *I* were in the game, I'd boot Julie who would be more of a physical threat in the F3, but I think the ECJ threesome are going to stick together for another boot. Then we've got the F3 challenge which, again, has more often than not been an endurance challenge. Julie hasn't shown us too much in endurance challenges (such as the pole challenge that Twila won), but neither have Chris or Eliza. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Chris will be the most fired-up one to stick it out and win this thing -- either that or Julie will drop out first and Chris makes a F2 deal on the spot with Eliza to go to the finals. Julie's got more of an "in" with the female majority (not to mention Sarge/Chad being in love with her naked butt) on the jury than either Chris or Eliza so Julie has to go here, no matter who wins IC. So that's how we can get to a F4 boot order as outlined on Sucks in the original post on this thread.
  
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11-29-04, 09:08 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
For whatever it's worth, I agree that it would be smarter for Chris and Eliza to hang onto Scout rather than Julie when whittling down to three. Scout is never going to win an immunity challenge in a million years, whereas Julie is young and fit.That said, of course, Eliza and Chris might think back to Lil winning the crouch-on-the-floating raft endurance challenge at F3 of Pearl Islands and be wary of the Old Woman Factor on that basis. However, Lil told us that her yoga helped her with that challenge, whereas I don't know of Scout having that kind of physical/mental endurance training. Where Julie didn't bother to write down a single answer on the recent memory quiz, was this because she was bluffing about her capacity for such things -- in order to make herself seem like a good opponent to keep around for the Fallen Comrades challenge? Clearly, based on Eliza's manic scribbling and Scout's comment that "We all knew Eliza would win that challenge" or some such, Eliza is a favourite for Fallen Comrades. But could Julie be "doing a Christa" and paving the way for herself to stay in the game as a non-threat at the anticipated Fallen Comrades challenge? As long as Ami goes soon, I'm quite comfortable with the remaining competitors (although as I've posted elsewhere I'm an ardent Chris fan and am urging him on to a win). I rewatched last week's episode where Ami did that "There there dear" disingenuous smile thing at Eliza -- TWICE -- and I seriously wanted to smack her around the face. If only Ami herself had been in a position to be the one voted out (which they certainly would have done), it would have been perfect. Even so, it was one of the best Come-Uppance moments I've ever enjoyed on Survivor.
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5. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
or unless Julie wins final 4 immunity...Eliza doesnt want Sc out around Julie wants Chrius around (male?) Chris wants Eliza around and maybe Julie (disliked by males) so they all vote out Scout?
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12. "No more Fallen Comrades" |
Just a reminder that they haven't had a "Fallen Comrades" challenge since Vee cheated on S4.On S5, the F4 challenge was the recycled "Try Again"; F3 was the "Hold the Coins/Slip through your Fingers" On S6, F4 was the blind maze, and F3 was "Hold the Headdress over your head" On S7, F4 was trivia against the jury, and F3 was Balance on the Floating Wood Platform. On S8, F4 was the "Find the ladder pieces in the Maze", and F3 was the boring "Lean against the pole with one itchy foot". The F3 challenge has pretty much been endurance on everything except S2, when it was Fallen Comrades, where a healthy Colby was able to kick everyone else's undernourished butt.
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11-29-04, 09:28 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
I have to agree with you with the way it pans out. The only wrinkles in your senario would be unexpected immunity wins.
I definitely think it will come to a Scout Eliza Chris F3 and an Eliza/Chris F2 with Chris winning with the votes of Scout Twila Chad and Sarge
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11-30-04, 08:20 AM (EST)
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No way does Eliza coexsist long enough with eliza to go to the three I say Eliza goes out at five, then Julie lastly Twila chooses Chris to go to the finals with her and loses the vote 4-3.
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19. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
If Chris takes Eliza to the final 2 there is no way that he beats her. To get this he would have to burn Twila and Twila seems like the type of person to hold a grudge. Leann and Amy will vote for Eliza just because of the fact that she is a woman, Julie would vote for eliza because she is closer to her than Chris so I think Scout's vote would be a moot point.
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I agree with that statement when it applies to Twila and Scout , however with the others I disagree. Ami and Julie for obvious reasons, and Eliza for the fact that she only voted the way she did because they forced her hand. I would not even be surprised if Scout were to vote for Eliza as well.
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11-30-04, 07:40 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
That is also supported by evidence if you put any credence in VS' "balance" thing, too.Scout is "balanced" enough to appreciate the balance between despising Eliza and needing her. Eliza and Scout counterbalance each other as Sage Chief and Yappy Puppy until a very late stage of the game. And finally, Scout swings the balance in the jury voting. But! Does she vote with Chad, Sarge and Twila for a Chris win, restoring the balance of life to the island as it was intended to be, with a man at the top of the heap? Or does she vote with Leann, Ami and Julie for an Eliza win - thus balancing the island's ancient history of male domination? The former, I hope! And I do think Twila would vote for Chris, even if he did "burn" her in order to stay in the game. I just think that, fundamentally, her bond with Chris is stronger than her bond with anyone else apart from Scout.
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29. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
LAST EDITED ON 12-01-04 AT 06:36 PM (EST)I hear what everyone is saying here, I guess I'm still trying to work through - if I were Chris, who should I have next to me to win this thing. There is a part II to this question that goes like this - if I were Chris, who do I want on the jury. I think I would kiss off Ami's vote. Leanne could lay the blame with Twila or Eliza, or ever Scout. I think shes a potintial Chris vote, but leaning other. Now, how does Chris get rid of Twila gracfully? I don't think he can at the F5. She might be poison on the jury so soon. I know this goes againt the grain, but Eliza, if I were Chris, would do me the least amount of damage on the Jury, and would maybe even vote for me - if I could get rid of Julie before the F2. Twila need's to go at F4. The jury may not be too warm in receiving her (Ami, Leanne at least). Sarge would, and could help her to think about voting for Chris. Twila would be happer with F4 than F5, where she would feel backstabed. The extra 3 days at LL from a F5 vote might not be good for Chris if the girls chat and get friendly. If Julie is the next boot, she would be more app to snuggle with Sarge and those folks, instead of Ami. She would be happy with the F3 finsh as well, IMO. Scout and Chris in the F2. I know, everyone has their own opinon and again, this is not part of some boot list. BUT, Sarge and Chad vote for Chris - Ami votes for Scout. Eliza votes for Chris. The other three are a bit more interesting, but I think Chris can pick one of them... most likly Julie, but maybe all three. Now, I don't see this really happening due to the challenges, but, I think I would rather have Eliza on the jury and count on her vote than wonder about who Scout will vote for if she were on the jury. I would also keep Twila to the F4, not F5.
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LAST EDITED ON 12-01-04 AT 06:06 PM (EST)Let's start with the obvious: next bootee - Ami unless she goes on an immunity run, she is toast. 
Alternate in this case is Julie. So then the final 4 is Scout/Twila/Chris/Eliza Scout doesn't like Eliza. Scout also sucks at challenges that are physical. Worse than MamaKim. Twila is a physical threat, as is Chris. Eliza isn't so much a physical threat, but she is definitely a mental threat. Any mental challenge, Eliza could excel in. How tight are Scout and Twila? I don't know, but of the 4 of them, that is the tightest alliance left. The only other one left might be Twila and Chris. Eliza has always been the outsider. So Eliza has no one.
Twila has Scout and Chris.
Scout has Twila.
Chris has Twila. Who do you get rid of at F4? Eliza, unless you want to take her to F2 with you. In that case, you get rid of Scout. Scout votes for Chris. So with Twila, Eliza and Chris, who wins the endurance challenge? If it's a balance challenge, Chris can say, "Hello final 3, goodbye final 2." It is either Twila or Eliza. Who do they take to F2? Let's look at who's on the jury. Sarge, Chad (both automatic Chris votes if he makes it)
Leanne, Ami, Julie
Scout and ? Leanne and Ami may be bitter at a Twila or Scout for ousting them, but they can't hold anything against Eliza. She was going anyway and she had to vote for someone. It just happened that someone else got voted out instead of her. So those two would likely not vote for Twila, though they could still vote for Chris or Eliza. Julie likes Chris, and isn't that close to Eliza, even though they have that whole "young girls plucking each other's eyebrows" connection. Julie isn't that close to Twila at all. Her vote is a toss up in my book. Scout may feel betrayed that Twila voted her out, but she may have also know that it was her turn. She could never get Eliza to vote her way as a confidante. And if Eliza won immunity, then the choices are just that much more limited. She may vote with her heart at who deserves the money the most. So here's how I see the votes in the following scenarios: Chris/Twila Chris gets votes from Sarge, Chad, Leanne, Ami, Julie, Eliza
Twila gets votes from Scout Twila/Eliza Twila gets votes from Sarge, Chad (she redeemed herself with the guys before the Sarge boot), Scout, Chris
Eliza gets votes from Leanne, Ami, Julie Chris/Eliza Chris gets votes from Sarge, Chad, ??
Eliza gets votes from ?? I'm really not certain in this last scenario because Leanne and Ami aren't casting bitterness votes here. They have to vote for the best player. I would lean to Chris, but they also spent a lot of time with Eliza. They'd respect Chris's ability to survive the tribe full of women, but they were with Eliza from the beginning and learned to put up with her and possibly even appreciate her. Julie's vote is also a tossup because... well, we just don't know much about her except that she's young and cute. She doesn't have the same bond with Eliza that Heidi and Jenna had. And even though she's worn Chris's hat, I don't know that she's that close to Chris either. Too close to call. With Scout and Twila, I would lean to Chris. He helped turn the game around so that they could last longer. Scout was always irritated w/Eliza, but it may be EPM irony also that she gives her vote to Eliza. Twila is such a closed book that it's just tough to call. I think that Chris wins in the Chris/Eliza F2 scenario. Overall, he had much more to overcome. And he played a tougher game. Plus since he goes into F2 with 2 very solid votes, it's going to be hard for him not to win. He just needs 2 of the 4 girls votes to pull out a win. Eliza needs to rely on the girls alliance to come through for her, which may be insurmountable given the division in the girls alliance. If Chris makes it to F2, he wins. If Eliza makes F2, she loses. Twila beats Eliza but loses to Chris in her F2 scenarios. My personal PTTE: Ami/Julie/Scout/Twila/Eliza/Chris
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36. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
I'm nearly with that except I say
Ami
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37. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
Just getting my two cents in, based on everyone else's analysis:Starting with tonight: Ami goes Next week: Julie is sunk That leaves: F4 - Twila, Scout, Chris, Eliza F3 - Twila, Scout, Chris F2 - Twila, Chris Winner and new champion: Chris by a vote of 4 to 3
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38. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
Nice boot order, Gingerman. I like your outcome!So by my reckoning, you have Chris winning IC at F3 because if Twila won it, she'd take Scout to F2? (Or maybe you think Twila's head would prevail over her heart and she wins F3 immunity and takes Chris because she thinks she can't beat Scout.) Who is voting for Chris on your jury? Sarge, Chad, Eliza and... Julie? That would leave Scout, Ami and Leann voting for Twila. Anyway, my point is: I wonder if Ami's comment about Chris going on an immunity run and that being "really bad" will come to fruition. It would certainly be nice to see a Wigglesworthian Immunity Run.
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LAST EDITED ON 12-02-04 AT 09:12 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 12-02-04 AT 07:55 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 12-02-04 AT 07:54 PM (EST) Lets see
Next; F6
Ami - pre-ordained
Eliza gets IC then; F5
Julie - next logical boot
Again, another swim IC goes to Eliza F4 - IC is a puzzle, trivia, something mental
Again Eliza gets IC,
Chris and Eliza feel Scout is too sympathetic a character to chance F2, and Twila won't chance the tie, so; at F4 Scout's amazing run is over . F3 - IC is endurance, again Eliza wins,
And between Chris and Twilla, who does she choose. She's a smart cookie, she has a better insight into who the jury will pick that we spoilers (AKA Wild A$$ Guessers), so it's tough figuring this out. My guess, if she picks Chris
Chris gets Chad and Sarge, Scout at least.
Eliza gets Ami leane, Julie. Maybe.
Twila becomes deciding vote, and I think it's likely she will vore for Chris. If she picks Twila,
Twila gets Ami, Leane, Sarge, Chad, Scout,
Eliza gets Julie (maybe), Chris (maybe) Upshot, the only way Eliza has a chance is to pick Chris. so Twila is F3 boot F2= Chris and Eliza. Chris wins (Gets Twila's vote afterall), And incidentally, Eliza is the Immunity run prophecy fulfiller. ETA: It seems we are all very close to being on the same Wave length - Chris wins. Because of the editing I would put venture a hedge bet on Eliza too. ETA2: I like this edit thing, now, after watching the show, I can change my opinion. And I think I may need to rethink the Scout part. Scout, twila and Eliza might team to vote out Chris, they know he has two votes on jury locked up, and may not want to chance it. Nah - I'll go with the Scout F4 boot. The women are fighting among themselves, and if it continues, it could affect their strategic thinking.
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40. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
After tonights Ep. I think even more now that if I could, I'd rather have Scout sitting next to me in the F2 than Eliza, if I were Chris. You all must know - or have some strong hints to- the boot order from else where, and are appling logic to make it work, right? I can't imagine no one thinking through who is left, not thinking that Scout is a better F2 fit than Eliza for Chris.Julie seems to be an island right now. Could be a physical threat, but swinging in the wind, on her own. On the jury, Julie would not vote for Scout, but may very well vote for Eliza. We can assume that Ami, Leanne, Sarge and Chad would not vote for Scout. Ami at least would vote for Eliza, and Leanne would most likly follow suit. IF Chris can control this at the end, Scout is a safe bet for him to win. Eliza is not. How long to 1000?
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12-03-04, 08:58 PM (EST)
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41. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
I see what you mean, and I've been vacillating about Scout more since last nite.
But, it seems basically unlikely that she could survive to F2. Twila, after last night, still is a better F2 seat mate for Chris or Eliza. And IC is not a wild card for Scout, she has to be the odds on Un-favorite for IC.Julie goes at F5 (almost unavoidable at this point, right?) F4 becomes the key decision point. The dynamics are that Eliza and Chris are bonded, more so than Twila and Scout, and both (C&E) see themselves getting to F2 (although not necessarily with each other - plots within plots) if they vote together at F4. That has got to be so obvious to them that they can scarcely fail to see it, so the boot is either Twilla or Scout at F4, the other will gladly vote with Eliza and Chris. An alternative is that Scout and Twila could bond and force the vote another way, BUT that might risk a tie and the Twila/scout bond will break before the Eliza Chris bond. The Chris /Eliza bond has already been tested and survived. Both Chris and Eliza should realize that Twilla’s recent animosity toward Ami will make her the best opponent at F2 for either of them. And Twila may actually get IC at F4 which would really close the book on Scout. The only fly in the ointment, and this may occur to them, is that Scout is the better F3 challenge opponent. So, their F4 decision will be, vote out Scout, and potentially have a better F2 partner (for either Eliza or Chris) or boot Twila and have a better (for Chris and Eliza) F3 challenger.
The prospect of sitting next to the very unpolitical Twila has to be compelling to both Eliza and Chris, and tip the F4 decision to booting Scout.
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I believe Scout or Twila wins IC and Julie gets the boot this week.That leaves Scout, Twila, and Chris to give Eliza the boot. Either Twila or Chris win final immunity and get rid of Scout because they feel the jury would give Scout more votes. Final 2: Chris and Twila I'm not sure who Sarge would vote for though because I think he really liked Twila. Chris gets Chad's, Ami's and Leanne's votes.
Twila gets Eliza's (Because Twila saved her bacon last week) and Scouts' votes. Julie votes for???? Who knows what Julie is thinking????
Sarge could be a swing vote. Of course I may have to eat alot of crow on Friday.
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46. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
She was, as VS, you (just this morning?) and others pointed out, the old earth mother character, with a somewhat spooky/spacey view, editing wise. Nowadays, the wily old MB is trying to make Scout seem more F2-able (as the one everyone wants to compete against), though, and it smacks of misdirection. She may have only said a couple of mean sounding things in the three days, and MB features those to make her into the Grinch Lady(Nice, Vols, Nice).Interestingly, though MB also featured JP's description of her RC attempt as a 'losing badly but still battling heroically, never say die, etc.'. Which could only have been meant to improve her edit. Or maybe it was just to divert attention from MB and his evil show torture of the poor old lady. I suspect that in the future they will tighten up the physical requirements to make older people with artificial knees/hips prove that they can be competitive, like Chad. (I'm saying this, and Scout has outwhatever'd all of the really physically competitive people and should make it to F4, so what do I know. Whether or not she wins, I appreciate her and the way she has at last disproved what has become a Survivor Stereotype of the old chick as an inept, bumbling, stupid idiot. She has in a very unique and unparalleled way, found her way almost to the end. A older female Rupert character? How did Lil get there? I still don't get that.)
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47. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
>I suspect that in the future
>they will tighten up the
>physical requirements to make older
>people with artificial knees/hips prove
>that they can be competitive,
>like Chad.
I think there will always be an older endearing type personality. The veiwers love these older Survivors...Rudy was a favorite amongst others. I think there must be interesting characters as well as physical beauty...Johnny Fairplay.
She has in a
>very unique and unparalleled way,
>found her way almost to
>the end. A older female
>Rupert character? How did Lil
>get there? I still don't
>get that.)
Eloquently put Kingfish! As for Lil, I don't think she was one of those endearing type personalities and she just lucked out to get to final 2. Nope, I'm not giving up on Scout yet. I feel she at least makes it farther than Julie!
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48. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
LAST EDITED ON 12-04-04 AT 11:16 AM (EST)>I think there will always be
>an older endearing type personality.
>The veiwers love these older
>Survivors...Rudy was a favorite amongst
>others. I think there must
>be interesting characters as well
>as physical beauty...Johnny Fairplay. Also, it's not a "Survival of the Fittest" game -- this is part of what makes Survivor so endearing through the years, these are people that the average viewing audience can relate to. A 60-year-old Native lesbian with a bum hip/knee? A 72-year-old grump and ex-Seal? A gay corporate trainer who walks around in the nude? A middle-aged mom with breast implants? A deaf girl? An amputee who outperforms most of the young strong guys there? That's Survivor! Survivor is all about outlasting, which is why we've seen people like ThongGranny Kim, Batty Jan and Scout last to the last few while guys like Hunter and John P. got booted early. About Scout's edit... she's been edited to go far and survive because we've seen comments from Jeff about her not giving up etc. while we didn't see comments about Julie's run through the RC other than her competition with Chris for third place. But Scout's starting to get a nasty edit, which indicates she is *not* long for the game. I'll say that Julie will be 5th and Scout will be 3rd or 4th. At the very least, Scout *will not* make F2. Twila's also getting a nasty edit -- so it's a foregone conclusion by now (at least according to the edit) that Chris and Eliza are the final two. My final boot order:
5th - Julie
4th - Twila
3rd - Scout
2nd - Eliza (Ami, Leann, Julie)
1st - Chris by a 4-3 vote (Sarge, Chad, Scout, Twila)
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49. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
I'll go out on a limb and say that Julie will be 5th and Scout will be 4th. At the very least, Scout *will not* make F2.Geez, I really hope you are right, Pepe. At this point I am questioning though. Julie, definately is out at F5. Chris foreshadowed this, a girl like that could charm herself right into the final five. We've seen her flirting strategy and that's obviously all she's got. Time for her to go. Leaves the F4 at Chris, Twila, Eliza and Scout. Twila is not wearing well toward the end of the show, IMO. She can not stand the people she's around, even Scout is getting on her nerves..."it's always Scout's way, or no way, and I'm sick of it!" She does not trust anyone, she's fed up, tired, frazzled, paranoid and she does blow with episode 13, I'd say she blows up in "Volcanic Eruptions". I don't think that bodes well for her. We've liked her editing up till now, she has shown some game playing, and we know the guys liked her. Now, however we are seeing her lose it. I think that's just what will happen at F4, Twila will lose it. That leaves F3: Chris/Eliza/Scout Out of these three I would most like to see Chris win. If he outlasts the girls, IMO he deserves the win. I am concerned for him though, as lately I've noticed that he is beginning to get a little too complacent. I think he was shown to be playing the game much harder from the start, and now, he's coasting a bit. Unless MB is giving him a Brian Heidik edit, I do think that this does not bode well for him.... As for Scout. Simply put I do not want her to win, nor do I think she deserves it. Sure, she's full of peace, balance, harmony but she has been shown to be an under the radar player. She has attempted to make some moves, to no avail. She's inept at challenges. She's a complainer about Eliza, week after week, she complained terribly how no one helped her with the fire when it was raining, and now she's whining about the fact if only she had the body she had six years ago. Boy, it sure would be ironic for her to win the F3 IC, as well as the entire game. IMO, the foolish girls should have booted her right of the bat. As for Eliza. She too, in my book is an under the radar. The only game she's had was back in episode 2 when she voted with the burlies to boot Dolly. For a smart girl, she has not played the game. She has TOTALLY survived by the direction of others. First, she was under Ami's wing, now she is under Chris' wing. She survived by being a pawn for others, and not by her own doing. I know that having an under the radar strategy is a valid one as we've seen it work in the past, I just don't respect it. So, at this point, if I had to guess, I'd say: F5 Julie
F4 Twila
F3 Chris
F2 Scout
F1 Eliza I'd rather see Eliza win than Scout....just my 2 cents.
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LAST EDITED ON 12-04-04 AT 11:50 AM (EST)>Geez, I really hope you are
>right, Pepe. At this point
>I am questioning though. Julie,
>definately is out at F5.
>Chris foreshadowed this, a girl
>like that could charm herself
>right into the final five.
>We've seen her flirting strategy
>and that's obviously all she's
>got. Time for her to go. Yup, she's fulfilled her "purpose" in the game, so time to go.
>Now, however we are seeing
>her lose it. I think
>that's just what will happen
>at F4, Twila will lose it.
I agree. Twila's explosions will make it easier to avoid the purple rock -- ironic considering she's been the one who brought up the purple rock in an earlier episode. Scout is all about the "harmony" around her, so it'll be a 3-1 vote against Twila.
>I am concerned for him though, as lately I've
>noticed that he is beginning to get a little too
>complacent. I think he was shown to be playing the
>game much harder from the start, and now, he's coasting
>a bit. Unless MB is giving him a Brian Heidik
>edit, I do think that this does not bode well
>for him....
I think Chris is playing the perfect game right now -- why do too much when the girls are busy brawling each other? When the girls weren't brawling, Chris was really working over Eliza to get her on his side after he found that Twila/Scout were receptive to breaking away from Ami/Leann. Now? He doesn't have to do anything, let the girls break themselves up and build up some bile so he can just point out to the jury, "I didn't cause any ill will, so you should vote for me to win the million."
>She has attempted to make some moves, to
>no avail. She's inept at challenges.
>She's a complainer about Eliza, week after
>week, she complained terribly how no one
>helped her with the fire when it was raining, and
>now she's whining about the
>fact if only she had the body she had six
>years ago. Boy, it sure would be ironic for her
>to win the F3 IC, as well as the entire
>game. IMO, the foolish girls
>should have booted her right of the bat.
Not going to happen, Scout winning an endurance challenge. She just doesn't have the strength, especially since she hasn't gone on any feasts during post-RC trips, as Chris and Eliza have both had a chance to fatten up. These two WANT Scout with them in the F3 for an endurance challenge. They don't WANT Twila there especially when they saw how she outlasted Chad in the pole sitting IC and the likely RC superchallenge win (at least F2 in that one).
>As for Eliza. She too, in my book is an under
>the radar. The only game she's had was back in
>episode 2 when she voted with the burlies to boot
>Dolly. For a smart girl, she has not played the
>game. She has TOTALLY survived by the direction of others.
>First, she was under Ami's wing, now she is under
>Chris' wing. She survived by being a pawn for others,
>and not by her own doing. I know that having
>an under the radar strategy is a valid one as
>we've seen it work in the past, I just don't
>respect it.
Perhaps that's true, or perhaps Eliza is just playing dumb because I absolutely cannot see how she would otherwise entertain Ami's persuasive pleadings during their reward trip so soon after these two gave each other the eye at TC. Eliza's too sharp for that, so I believe she was playing Ami to have her on her side for the final jury vote. I think Eliza can see a clear path to the F2 and she's thinking of how she can get people on her side.
>I'd rather see Eliza win than
>Scout....just my 2 cents.
I'm with you on that one.
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51. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
LAST EDITED ON 12-04-04 AT 02:30 PM (EST)I see how all of these scenarios could play out... however, I can't see how you could say at this point and time that Scout *will not* make the F2. I'm just not so sure. Again, I'm only going on what we know and see and this board. I don't have enough time to dive into every bit of speculation and spoiler, so, maybe there really is some good, soild information that - more or less - shows her not going onto the F2. My point was that she makes the best F2 partner for Chris. How that happens, I agree, is a weak road of speculation. It's still possible, though. Chris has a tougher fight if it's Twila or Eliza vs. Chris. I think that, if we are all wrong about Julies up and coming boot, He beats Julie. My post just was about who, if we were Chris, would we WANT on the jury and WHEN to put them there, and who to sit next to in the F2. That said, my PTTE would be: Julie
Eliza
Twila
Scout
Chris ...now stop laughing! How long to 1000?
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53. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
so she's either 2nd or 4th with the current editingIf Julie is the one to go this week, I think Twila will most likey be in the F2. Scout and Twila have basically been together from the start, and I don't see Scout breaking away from Twila at this point since Twila is probably the only shot she has for making the F2. Eliza can't stand Scout and vice versa. I can see Eliza puling a Lil if she were to win F3 IC, taking Chris with her because she doesn't want Scout to win anything, even though she probably could beat Scout. Chris probably wouldn't take Scout because he'd be worried about sympathy votes. If Scout were to make F2, she could get votes her way due to the fact that she made it all the way despite being the oldest one out there. Plus, if Scout's on the the jury, she's not going to vote for Eliza, again Scout can't stand her. Since Scout's only real shot is for Twila to take her to F2 (since she's the only one Twila could probably beat at this point), I don't see Scout agreeing to vote for Twila. This creates the possibility for a 2-2 tie, and Chris doesn't want a tie. I see him realizing that Scout/Twila aren't going to vote for each other, and will vote with them to get rid of Eliza, then winning F3 IC and taking Twila to the F2, and winning faily easily.
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54. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
I understand what everyone is saying about Twila's paranoia and nasty editing but I have reservations that Scout and Chris would vote against Twila. Even though Chris and Eliza have a history I feel Eliza will be the one to go for exactly the reasons some Bad A## spoilers have stated earlier.It makes greater sense for either Chris/Twila/Scout to be in the F2 than taking Eliza. As Volsfan said, "Ami still has a strong dislike for her and Leann is in Ami's back pocket. Chris has to know that he has Chad and Sarge's vote. Twila just might get him the Ami/Leann vote and have the 4 votes to win." Eliza has a strong chance of winning final immunity and grabbing at least 3 votes if in F2. We all know Scout will never win an endurance challenge but I really feel she could beat Eliza in a trivia challenge. Scout will be sure to get rid of Eliza. I suppose it all hinges on immunity!
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55. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
Excuse me, is the speculation I hear really 'Scout winning a Challenge'? If she wins a trival challenge at F4, big deal, it just means that Twila goes then. She can't win a physical challenge. F3 is always an Endurance. Technically she has a chance, simultaneous heart attacks early in the challenge, targeted lava burst on Eliza and Chris again, early in the challenge, a jet air plane landing on C&E early in the challenge, scandal, hurricane, revolt, etc, all these things and more could get the F3 IC for Scout. But they won't happen, and Scout will not win F3 IC. MB cannot edit in something that simply cannot happen. I think. However, it's entirely possible that she could make F2 without winning any IC. Julie goes at F5, no doubt. Then the dynamic duo of C&E continue their alliance (They can garuantee F3 and decent chance of F2 if they just vote together this one time), and vote off either Twila or Scout. If Scout stays, then regardless of who wins F3 IC, the winner could very well take Scout, She's a better F2 partner that either Chris or Eliza. That makes game sense, and may be the kiss of death, but it is very possible. OK, it would be two and two, so Twila and Scout COULD team up and force a tie, but one of the teams will break before a tie can be allowed to happen (unless we have underestimated their hardheadedness) and the tried and tested (by Ami) team of Chris and Eliza will outlast T&S. For F4. In fact, whoever, between Twila and Scout, survives F4, will have a very decent chance of F2, for the same reason, either one of them make better F2 parteners for C or E than C and E make themseles. Whoever wins F3 IC should pick the weaker (jury voting wise) partner for F2. Makes Great sense. Probably doomed, doomed I say.
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61. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
Or has he? But his editing shows otherwise. It's either pure luck he's there or something has kept there. A smart woman? Or Chis?
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62. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
I think RudyRules was referring back to two episodes ago when Twila had to draw Chris pictures as to how he could take over the game. He was clueless until then...from the editing we have been shown.
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63. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
LAST EDITED ON 12-07-04 AT 05:30 PM (EST)...what was Chris' quote when he voted for Sarge? Let me look for it, but I remember thinking, based on what he said, that he knows a bit more - or at least is more stratigic - then he's letting on or is edited. Here - blackandwhite dog posted this regarding Sarge on the morning show the day after his boot: blacknwhitedog 3823 desperate attention whore postings
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Sarge looked pretty good this morning. He thought he was booted because he was too strong in the challenges. He said at home he runs 5 miles a day and does 100 pushups so he's in really good shape. He meant to kind of lay back in the challenges but in the last IC water challenge he realized he made a mistake by beating everyone so soundly.
What was with the 3 guys? Each one voted for someone different? Why did Chris vote for Sarge and what did he mean by "this vote's not against you, it's for you"? Sarge knew he was going because the guys were outnumbered. Their only chance was to try to send a message with the votes. He thinks Chris voted with the women to try to get further into the game, so that he (Chris) would have a better chance of winning. He said something about losing the battle but winning the war. Sounds like Sarge is still friendly towards Chris. What was with the chicken bones? Did he know before seeing last night's episode that Julie and Leann gave the women meat and the men bones? Sarge didn't realize that until seeing the show last night. He didn't really care- he was grateful to just get the bones. But he is sure Julie was behind that- not Leann. Who do you think has the best chance of winning the whole thing? Sarge says straight out- "Twila". I thought it was interesting that he did not say one word about Chad.
I guess this is why I do not think Chris... is not thinking... about his next move, or even further down the road... How long to 1000?
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57. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
Personally, Pepe, I see your PTTE as more probable than mine. Mine are again more from the "if I have control" point of view. One does not have total control in this game, so, I can see Eliza going to the F2, with Twila out at F4. The one thing I can say, and it's not really a "gender" thing, because I'd say it if it were the other way around, but if Chris pulls this off, it might be one of the great "comebacks" of this show. No way he should win, one guy against the six gals, the odds were (and are??) long, but better this week than last! We shall see...
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58. "RE: Final Boot Order " |
From editing* I have changed my thoughts on who will ultimately be F2, it's eitherEliza-Scout (Twila is deciding vote--Scout has to have not "screwed" over Twila at F4) Eliza-LAJ
Scout-CCS or Chris-Scout (Chris gets SCLAJE and maybe even Twila re: her vindictiveness) I had been in the Chris-Eliza camp (and it may still be, but this isn't my first choice anymore) Chris gets votes of SCS def. Eliza most likely gets LAJ So Twila is again the swing vote and it will come down to her vindictiveness and who did not screw her over!!
*The editing shows Julie as F5 and Twila as F4 so they are not in my F2 scenarios.
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64. "Things are falling into place..." |
...for me at least, as to how I think the final four will go down, between what we know, and the contestants' interview comments, and the editing.From Rose's interview with Ami, posted at Mess Hall: ---------------------------
Q: You said it was important to you to play with integrity. Now that you’re a member of the jury, is integrity the biggest factor for you as you choose who will win the million dollars, or is it something else? Ami : I think the choice is just gonna be obvious for me. I don’t know, really. Just like all the choices about who to vote out, they just came, you just knew who was supposed to go.
------------------------------- Ami's response leads me to believe that one of Eliza/Chris and one of Scout/Twila is going to be in the final 2. Ami's choice would not be quite so clear otherwise: she likes both Eliza and Chris (though Eliza might have an edge as a woman), and she doesn't respect Scout and Twila. From Sarge's interview: --------------------------------
Q: What are your impressions of the women who are left? Sarge: Scout plays off her knee and her old age, and she walks along, doesn’t do many challenges that are physical, and I don’t have no respect for that way of playing. Twila, I respect her, I don’t like what she did, but I respect her because she’s trying to do something with her life. Eliza is the only one I do like. I like Twila, but Eliza is the only one I can say has been 100% pure. I haven’t seen her do anything deceitful.
and Q: What are you basing your vote on? Sarge: Right now I don’t know. I could say I’m voting for a woman, I could say I’m voting for a man, I could say anything—-
---------------------------- Starting with the last comment: it's a no-brainer that Sarge would vote for Chris if he were in the final 2, but he did think it necessary to include the fact that he *might* vote for a woman. This leads me to believe he did vote for a woman, because he had to. That coupled with his glowing comments about Eliza says to me that Eliza is in the Final 2, and she is the woman he voted for. Eliza would also be an "obvious" choice for Ami; Ami clearly still has a lot of affection for Eliza. I still believe the players are coached to not "root for" the final 2. On TES, Sarge said that he thought Twila has what it takes to win, while John K and Chad both were optimistic about Chris' chances. No one's mentioned Eliza or Scout, and the fact that Sarge doesn't respect Scout's way of playing makes me think she must be the other person in the final 2. Working backwards from that premise, one of them has to win immunity at F3. Most likely it would be Eliza but by I suppose by some miracle Scout could win. Given their antipathy for each other, the most likely reason for either to chose the other is that both perceive person number three as having a better shot at beating them. That doesn't apply to Twila, so I suspect that Chris gets ejected at F3, and Twila has gone at F4. Eliza should be a no-brainer boot at F4 so my guess is that Eliza wins immunity and Twila goes perhaps as the loser of a tie-breaking challenge. The editing, as extensively discussed in Veruca's thread, leads me to the same conclusions...Twila's snappishness is getting amped up to 11 now, making her a non-sympathetic character. Chris is just kind of there, hoping that he's made some inroads with the remaining women but unable to grab the steering wheel, and maybe getting a little complacent. Scout's edit is weird, as many have noted, but the slight negative downturn and recent focus on her age and inability to compete in the challenges suggests to me that she may either win a crucial late challenge or that she will get to the end of the game despite her physical shortcomings. However, she will not be able to win the jury vote. Eliza has been edited, more than anyone else, as a quintessential "survivor" throughout the show. She's escaped getting booted numerous times and while we hear that people find her annoying, she has gotten a relatively sympathetic edit throughout, as the unwitting target who is smart and savvy enough to save herself. With a Scout/Eliza final 2, my guess is that Sarge, Leann, Ami and Julie would vote for Eliza. Chad and Twila would vote for Scout. Chris could vote either way depending on if he feels backstabbed. Eliza wins 4-3 or 5-2. 
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68. "RE: Things are falling into place..." |
Sarge spoke positively of Eliza even when he voted for her--I can't remember exactly what he said during his vote, but the gist of it was that he was only voting for her because he thought it might save his own skin, but that he thought she was the most sincere of the women. So he's always felt that way.
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77. "RE: Things are falling into place..." |
LAST EDITED ON 12-08-04 AT 04:17 PM (EST)He also spoke well of Twila, correct? Formed a friendship/ working relationship? ETA: No, I just don't buy it yet. Many people say "nice" things about the person they are voting for. Eliza and Sarge had, what, a couple days together? How long to 1000?
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67. "RE: Things are falling into place..." |
I like this BR!!! Thanks for reminding me about Sarge's comments about Eliza and Scout, I had forgotten them!! That makes me feel Eliza is def. the winner as you portend. 
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70. "RE: Things are falling into place..." |
Brownroach, you and I are seeing eye to eye on this one! See my post, #49, above. I agree Twila is losing it and will be out at F4. Leaving Chris/Eliza/Scout. To me, Chris' complacency does not bode well for him, he's losing his intensity and focus. He'll be out at F3(darn it!). Leaving Eliza vs. Scout.....easy to see how the SYRACUSE student can win it all.Must say I'd be severely disappointed with an Eliza/Scout F2. These two, IMO, have been the most undeserving of the show. Eliza had one highlight of the game in episode 2 when she voted with the Burly's to vote out Dolly. That was it, end of story! Everything else that has happened to her has been at the hands of others. Protected by Ami, then by Chris. She has relied on the others to get her through the game, not by her own strategy or plan. She, imo, for a smart girl, had no game. The one thing I will add that she has managed to do is to not PO anyone off...she's remained in the good graces of the jury, by not being a player. Ditto for Scout. One word describes her, inept. Inept at challenges, inept at carrying out strategy, a whiner, a complainer and a martyr. Just can't see why the women of Yasur did not boot her out in the beginning. At least Sandra, who was also inept at challenges, never complained about it, and she was a fiesty player who was certainly proactive. Just don't think that these two deserved it, fwiw...obviously, not much! Out of the two undeserving players to make F2, Eliza will win as she did not make anyone angry...
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73. "RE: Things are falling into place..." |
Hi, fp -- yes I realized we agree  -- but I wanted to consider everything including the outside clues, in addition to the editing, and it all seems to point to the same outcome.I'm going to qualify what I said about the jury votes above -- I think Eliza is destined to get at least four votes, but I think Chad, Leann, and Chris could all go either way. I think Chris would be miffed if Eliza voted him out at F3 since he considers (or wants her to believe) that they have an F2 alliance ("write us the checks!"), and thus would bring it up at the final TC in front of everyone. But the fact that Sarge says he never saw Eliza do anything devious is what's making me wonder if Scout actually wins the F3 immunity and boots Chris. Leann liked Eliza less than Scout and wanted her out earlier. She still doesn't sound keen on Eliza in her interviews. So unless Ami convinces Leann that Eliza had to save her own neck and Scout was really the evil one who turned on the alliance, Leann might vote for Scout. Chad a/k/a Mr. Personality -- who knows what he thinks? He might be sympathetic to Scout because of the leg thing. Then again, he might be pissed that Scout didn't carry through on her promise when he got the boot. Since I think Sarge, Ami and Julie will definitely vote for Eliza over Scout, it would take only one of these three people to give her the win; I'm just not sure which one.
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76. "RE: Things are falling into place..." |
LAST EDITED ON 12-08-04 AT 02:06 PM (EST)Okay Brownroach, I gottcha, we're talking jury votes now....Here's my speculation on it: Sarge: Never saw Eliza doing anything devious, stated when he voted for her that he thought she was the most sincere of all the women out there....votes for Eliza Chad: Definately Eliza never did anything to anger him, while Scout went to him with her plan to keep/save him and she then proceeded to reneg and ended up voting him out with Ami, Scout is the one that came to him and raised his hopes of staying and she let him down, Eliza never let him down....votes for Eliza Leann: True, she was planning on getting rid of Eliza first but moreso, imo, to placate Scout and Twila, who had wanted her out since day one, and not necessarily because she did not like her as much as Scout. Scout and Twila were the ones to stab her in the back, while Eliza just acted to save her own skin. I definately see her voting for Eliza. Ami: Despises Scout, double crossed by Scout, vengeful toward Scout, sympathizes with her little sister, votes for Eliza Twila: If Scout has something to do with her demise, which she must, or it would be a tie, Twila will feel betrayed by Scout. She will not feel betrayed as much by Eliza as we know there is most definately animosity between them(as we will really see in ep. 13). Scout is the one that Twila had the closest alliance to and Twila WILL hold it against her.....votes for Eliza Chris: Chris is the wild card. Depending on how his boot goes down, and I would guess that Eliza will win the endurance F3 challenge and choose to face Scout in the finals. If Eliza lets him down easy, saying how she thinks she'll have a chance against the lamest player in the game, but would'nt have a prayer of beating the all playing, master of the game Chris, than I can see Chris indeed voting FOR Eliza. If he's really vengeful(which I don't think he is), he could vote for Scout....but as you see, I don't even think his vote will matter that much, as Eliza easily has the rest of the jury. The little one that barely survives each episode, which JP has pointed out time and time again at EACH tribal council, will ultimately survive them all. Not because she had game, but because SHE HAD NO GAME!!! ....my 2 cents...
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79. "RE: Things are falling into place..." |
"Twila, I respect her, I don’t like what she did, but I respect her because she’s trying to do something with her life." "Eliza is the only one I do like. I like Twila, but Eliza is the only one I can say has been 100% pure. I haven’t seen her do anything deceitful." "Twila's snappishness is getting amped up to 11 now, making her a non-sympathetic character."
Since we're just throwing thoughts out there...I think I need more than editing to prove to me that Twila is out at final 4.
Also, just because it has been mentioned by Sarge that she could make to the final 2 doesn't indicate to me that she in fact doesn't. We've seen this scenario with Boston Rob where booties could see him making the final 2 but didn't neccessarily like it. Scout and Twila made the move of the game by getting Chris (after much coaching) to get Eliza to vote out Ami. You could argue that Eliza and Chris were actually making the move but I don't buy it. It was Scout and Twila's move all the way and they deserve to go to the final 2 just for that move. I heard Ami on The Insider say that there was absolutely no way to sway Chris to align with her to vote out Scout. She alluded to his alliances were set in stone. I'm taking that to mean his alliance with Twila and Scout. He was all set to vote Eliza out before Twila came to him with "The Plan". I think if he gets the chance he will take Scout and Twila to the final 3. He has more of a chance with a jury with one of those 2 than Eliza. I find Twila to be a very likable character...similar to Rupert...as others here have mentioned. The final 4 (assuming Julie goes next) are all very likable characters, interesting editing, it will make a very fine final episode no matter how it plays out. Julie: 5
Eliza: 4
Scout: 3
Chris: ?2
Twila: ?Survivor Winner Maybe just wishful thinking but my 2 cents worth. ps. Sorry for going against the grain as there are many terrific arguements out there posted by All Wise Spoilers for Eliza in the final 2, I just don't think she deserves it and I think Chris maintains his alliance with Twila and Scout.
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings
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12-09-04, 11:58 AM (EST)
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83. "RE: Things are falling into place..." |
You can speculate using wishful thinking if you like. I'm just saying how *I* see things.I have to admit that Twila leaving at F4 presents a logistical problem that I don't like. Unless she goes as a result of losing a tie-breaker, Scout would have to turn on her, which seems doubtful. I do think that at F4 Eliza needs immunity to stay in the game. The key may be the dynamic between Eliza and Chris leading into that vote. Chris needs to persuade Eliza that he wants to force a tie against Scout/Twila (although he shouldn't actually want to). Maybe Eliza would start feeling insecure and thinking that Chris would be more likely to vote against her at F4, since he came to Eliza after hatching the plan with Twila and Scout first. Or, that, even if they do create a tie, Chris might turn on her in a revote. I expect her to feel like she has to win immunity. If Eliza gets suspicious enough of Chris, and then wins F4 immunity, she might take her chances voting against him with Scout and Twila. And if Eliza wins immunity again at F3, she might opt to take Scout to F2 because she believes the men like Twila better. So it's possible Chris would leave at F4 and Twila at F3. I still don't see either of them making F2. But editing-wise we are dealing with only one episode, so I don't see a huge variable indicating that one more likely goes before the other.
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braveheart 104 desperate attention whore postings
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12-09-04, 07:02 PM (EST)
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84. "RE: Things are falling into place..." |
>You can speculate using wishful thinking
>if you like. Haha BrownRoach. I know it's wishing thinking but there is a scintilla of logical thinking in my theory. Mainly being if Eliza doesn't win immunity at the all important F4, I feel she'a outta there! >I do think that at F4
>Eliza needs immunity to stay
>in the game. I couldn't agree with you more on this comment! >if Eliza wins immunity again She wins immunity again?? Now who's wishing? I just don't see Eliza in the final 2. Thanks for the input Roach but that's my theory and I'm stickin to it. You can make me eat crow later!
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12-08-04, 05:54 PM (EST)
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78. "Final boot order" |
Fianl boot hopefully will beJulie
Twila
Scout
Eliza Chris winning it all! I'm really hoping the island gods won't allow Eliza to win. The rock the men scored off of the pole in the first episode I think will insure a male winner.
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both Eliza and Julie will stay at F5 and with Chris will oust Twila...imho
