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"Why would Susan quit?"
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There is alot of discussion all over the boards that Susan will quit during the next episode. For the life of me I can't think of a reason why she would do this.

So, a naked fat gay guy thrust himself against her during a challenge. I'm sure it wasn't a pleasant experience. I'm also sure she is survivng alot of unpleaseant experiences during this game as she lives in close quarters with a bunch of people that she is competing against to win a lot of money. Her tribe won the challenge and as a result of that victory, Rich got voted out of the game that she is still competing in. What could be a better or more rewarding conclusion for Susan than to have the person who harmed her voted out of the game.

Can someone give me a single reason that would explain her leaving the game. If not, I don't know how we can seriously consider this as an event that will occur

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Why would Susan quit? janisella 02-27-04 1
 RE: Why would Susan quit? munson 02-27-04 2
   RE: Why would Susan quit? managerr 02-27-04 3
       RE: Why would Susan quit? munson 02-27-04 4
           RE: Why would Susan quit? Brownroach 02-27-04 5
               RE: Why would Susan quit? I_AM_HE 02-27-04 6
                   RE: Why would Susan quit? Brownroach 02-27-04 7
                       RE: Why would Susan quit? udg 02-28-04 21
               RE: Why would Susan quit? dabo 02-28-04 19
           RE: Why would Susan quit? ginger 02-27-04 8
               RE: Why would Susan quit? munson 02-27-04 9
                   RE: Why would Susan quit? speedyforme 02-27-04 10
           RE: Why would Susan quit? JazzyJax 03-02-04 32
 RE: Why would Susan quit? Fweep 02-27-04 11
   RE: Why would Susan quit? volsfan 02-27-04 12
       RE: Why would Susan quit? Fweep 02-27-04 13
           RE: Why would Susan quit? Jason69850 02-27-04 14
               RE: Why would Susan quit? Naked 02-27-04 15
                   RE: Why would Susan quit? abbahammer 02-27-04 16
                       RE: Why would Susan quit? Fweep 02-28-04 18
                       RE: Why would Susan quit? dabo 02-29-04 28
           RE: Why would Susan quit? munson 02-28-04 17
 RE: Why would Susan quit? Witless 02-28-04 20
 RE: Why would Susan quit? rupe_a_dupe_rules 02-28-04 22
 Another theory strid333 02-28-04 23
   RE: Another theory yesteach 02-28-04 25
   RE: Another theory popsicle 03-03-04 49
 RE: Why would Susan quit? EMT135 02-28-04 24
   RE: Why would Susan quit? indifferent 02-28-04 26
       RE: Why would Susan quit? dabo 02-28-04 27
           Pelican foreshadowing? RopesandChains 02-29-04 29
               RE: Pelican foreshadowing? FrogPrincess 03-03-04 39
   RE: Why would Susan quit? mtopaz 03-01-04 30
 RE: Why would Susan quit? Sneezles 03-02-04 31
 Radio Spot Tues Afternoon Elwood 03-02-04 33
   TC? idiotcowboy 03-02-04 34
       RE: TC? Round Robin 03-02-04 35
           RE: TC? dabo 03-03-04 36
               RE: TC? Round Robin 03-03-04 37
       RE: TC? mtopaz 03-03-04 44
           RE: TC? Elwood 03-03-04 45
               RE: TC? Brownroach 03-03-04 46
                   RE: TC? bobscure 03-04-04 76
                       RE: TC? SouperStar 03-04-04 79
                           RE: TC? Brownroach 03-04-04 80
                           RE: TC? Brat2u 03-04-04 83
   Tribal Council Ad VolcanicGlass 03-03-04 38
       RE: Tribal Council Ad okaloosajohn 03-03-04 40
       RE: Tribal Council Ad Flowerpower 03-03-04 41
           RE: Tribal Council Ad Brownroach 03-03-04 42
   RE: Radio Spot Tues Afternoon esquire 03-03-04 43
 Thoughts from here... volsfan 03-03-04 47
   RE: Thoughts from here... Brownroach 03-03-04 48
       RE: Thoughts from here... VerucaSalt 03-03-04 50
           RE: Thoughts from here... geg6 03-03-04 51
               RE: Thoughts from here... Loree 03-03-04 52
                   RE: Thoughts from here... Brownroach 03-03-04 53
                       RE: Thoughts from here... volsfan 03-03-04 56
                           RE: Thoughts from here... Brownroach 03-03-04 59
                               RE: Thoughts from here... volsfan 03-03-04 61
                   RE: Thoughts from here... mtopaz 03-03-04 55
                   RE: Thoughts from here... Loquatrix 03-03-04 58
                       RE: Thoughts from here... Magic Fingers 03-03-04 64
                           RE: Thoughts from here... RopesandChains 03-03-04 65
                               RE: Thoughts from here... Magic Fingers 03-03-04 67
                                   RE: Thoughts from here... volsfan 03-03-04 70
                   RE: Thoughts from here... udg 03-04-04 75
           RE: Thoughts from here... okaloosajohn 03-03-04 54
               RE: Thoughts from here... ebbycalvin 03-03-04 66
 RE: Why would Susan quit? mookiemeister 03-03-04 57
   RE: Why would Susan quit? Loquatrix 03-03-04 60
       RE: Why would Susan quit? Brownroach 03-03-04 62
   RE: Why would Susan quit? TanNymph 03-03-04 63
       RE: Why would Susan quit? Acawap 03-03-04 68
           RE: Why would Susan quit? volsfan 03-03-04 69
               RE: Why would Susan quit? Loquatrix 03-03-04 71
                   RE: Why would Susan quit? volsfan 03-03-04 72
                       RE: Why would Susan quit? Flowerpower 03-04-04 73
                           RE: Why would Susan quit? volsfan 03-04-04 74
                               RE: Why would Susan quit? okaloosajohn 03-04-04 77
                                   RE: Why would Susan quit? volsfan 03-04-04 78
                   RE: Why would Susan quit? popsicle 03-04-04 81
                       RE: Why would Susan quit? ohboy 03-04-04 82
                           RE: Why would Susan quit? popsicle 03-05-04 84
                               RE: Why would Susan quit? Loquatrix 03-05-04 85
                               RE: Why would Susan quit? okaloosajohn 03-05-04 86
                               RE: Why would Susan quit? popsicle 03-05-04 87

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janisella 698 desperate attention whore postings
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02-27-04, 04:37 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
I'm leaning toward not believing that she quits, but maybe the scene with her complaining involves an obnoxious Big Tom. He seems to be repulsed by her, but she's also remarked about how crude he is as well.
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2. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
IMO, Soozin has had enough. She tells Jeff she's spent. I think she's out of gas physically, emotionally, psychologically.

She's isolated herself within her own tribe. No doubt she feels vulnerable already. She must feel the tension with Tom. I'm sure she suspects she's going to be voted out soon. Add to all this the incident at the IC and she's at the breaking point. She's alone, has no support (not even from Jeff) and can't take any more.

I think we sometimes forget the pyschological impacts of this game. Soo's going to bring that home for everyone in E6.

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02-27-04, 04:54 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
Back in episode 1, didn't Susan say that she was only there to take out Richard and everyone else was "just in her way?" With Richard gone, she might decide she's had enough and just leave.
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4. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
Here's what Varner had to say about Soozin in his pre-season look at ASS:

"SUE HAWK"
(Survivor: Pulau Tiga)
I love Sue Hawk. I have since way back when she was screaming at Richard in that tree day one. She's rough around the edges and not afraid to make a little noise. She's a devious little devil. I spent 10 days riding across the country in a hurse with her as part of USA's Cannonball Run back in 2001. She pulled out all the stops and let her guard down a bit with me. She's a strong and focused woman who'll try to get away with anything to win this game. Her greed is transparent. She is not a pushover. We saw the rat and snake speech. She wants to bring Rich down! There's an angry side to Sue that, married with the superiority she may feel being one of the Survivor brand poster kids, could mean trouble for anyone that pushes her too far. Having said that, I know she's probably gonna hate the next guy.

My cynical nature tells me that Soo's outrage has ulterior motives as well.

Soo likes to be remembered, craves attention, a true DAW after our own hearts. What's the most memorable thing from S1? Yep, Snakes and Rats. Create another "unforgettable moment" and it's money in the bank. Her greed is transparent.

Soo can't win and is on the choppong block so she stirs things up. She's gonna get paid one way or another and if she's not going to get a big check from the game, maybe she can sue (and settle!) or generate publicity so despite her poor finish, she's still in demand for some high priced appearances.

Soo might not be smart but she is savvy. Or how did Varner put it? Oh, yeah, a devious little devil.

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5. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
You could be right. munson, maybe I'm dense, but I have not been able to figure out what Varner's last sentence means:

Having said that, I know she's probably gonna hate the next guy.

Do you know? Can someone explain it? I'm sure it's not spoilerish, I just don't get it.


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6. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
BR, i haven't been following Varner very closely (thanks for pulling the quote on the Sue/Rich thread for me), but I skimmed the piece that this bit came from, and IIRC he was listing out each person in the game and analyzing them. So I think he's saying Sue will hate the guy he's gonna talk about next (pretty safe bet that was Rawb)
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7. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
D'oh!

Of course that's it. And you're right, Robfather was next.


has stoopid on his forehead for not figuring that out sooner.

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21. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
I'm so glad you asked, because it didn't make sense to me, either. I thought maybe it meant she was going to hate the next winner.

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19. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"

>Having said that, I know she's
>probably gonna hate the next
>guy.

BR, I think you picked out something very important here. The next guy = Big Tom. Much as Sue may have had it in for Richard, they were allies in a strong alliance in the first game, she does have a certain amount of respect for Richard. In this game she is stuck with Big Tom; crude, lewd, antagonistic, mysoginistic, Big drunk Tom.

Sue and Tom are heading for a showdown, or at least that is what the editing seems to indicate.

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8. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
You betcha.


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9. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
Soozin, quit stalking me! Sheesh! Don't you have something to pee on?

I've got no bone for you, either.

Now, go away before someone drops a Hatch on you.

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10. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
i personally thought that if you wuit and NOT get voted out...you dont get any money...
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32. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
Munson, you may be right. In all her appearances, she looks pretty rough and unhappy. Whether she quits or not, she must know she is on the fringes of her tribe, and closing with a famous scene would certainly be the way to go.

It appears these two have a pretty tight relationship offscreen. Sue's a trucker and slings crude insults right and left. She wasn't afraid of physically confronting naked Rich. Yes, Rich indeed went too far being a pig and in the heat of the moment, starving and exhausted, it may just be enough to send Sue over the edge when she knows she is likely out soon anyhow. Sue's snakes and rats speech has brought her alot of attention and money. What better option would be left?

I can't see Sue keeping this quiet about a lawsuit all this time, can you?

**putting on the heat deflector shields**

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11. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
Copied from another thread ...

The person who is allegedly making this complaint, that will quit and threaten to sue, does so at a later point in the game, not right there on the spot. This means they will have had some time to think about the incident and it may occur to them they can win a lot more than a million dollars from a lawsuit or at least the publicity that would come of it.

It is our thought that the person who is involved would be a person who may know that they do not have a chance of winning and uses this as an excuse to leave the game in pursuit of the possible lawsuit and/or publicity. So who would be prime candidates for this type of action?

Susan Hawk -- At the time of the incident, she probably would shrug it off and make some sort of crude comment. Sue is also very shrewed and a tough biatch. Given a day or two to think about it, she may see the dollar signs, and she is one who has already admited she does not have a chance of winning.

Conclusion, I think Sue is a strong candidate for leaving. She tells it how it is. She would tell off Jeff and others for letting Dicque pull this kind of stuff. She wouldn't care about her reputation and would have the fortitude to fight MB and crew.

Fweep

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12. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
Fweep, where did you copy and paste this from? It sounds like some of Varner pre-season stuff.


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13. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
I posted it from my Snowbunny's and my own thoughts. I copied it from another thread and put it here since this is a more appropriate thread, if there can be such a thing.

Fweep

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14. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
Did anyone here see the Dog Eat Dog when they had Survivor contestants on it?
Well, in that episode, it was obvious Sue and Rich were very close. In fact, Susan won that game. If you have ever seen it, you know that the losers in the dog pound get to try to steal the money from the winner by answering trivia questions.
The score was tied. It was a tense moment. IF the person in the dog pound, got the answer right, Sue lost and they would split the money. If the person in the dog pound got the answer wrong, Sue won and got the money.
Sue picked Rich to answer. The question was "In what film did Sharon Stone play a homicide suspect involving an ice pick."
Now, not only is that a very easy question, but there isn't a gay man alive who doesn't know the answer is Basic Instict. Rich knew the answer but he feigned perplexity and gave some inane answer. It was painfully obvious that he was throwing the game and giving Susan the win. He even went so far as to mumble "Sharon Stone, Sharon Stone..hmmm" as if he couldn't remember who the gay icon was. It was a very fake moment on reality tv.
What's my point?
That Susan and Rich are tight, very tight. Sure, Susan pretends that she has it in for Rich and wants revenge. Sure, Rich pretends to hate Susan, but there's an overkill on both sides that has me screaming "Me thinks he/she doth protest too much."
Rich would never have done what he did to any other contestant male or female. He did it because he knew Susan would not mind. He also knew that by doing it, he would be giving both himself and Susan a LOT of publicity. Sue follows Rich's lead and makes another scene.
These two are in league with one another - guaranteed. They are both sneaks, ready, willing and able to use Survivor for any personal gain they may acquire.
I would not be surprised if this incident were as fake as the dog eat dog game when Rich pretended he didn't know whom Sharon Stone was. I would not be surprised if Rich and Sue hatched this scheme together. Maybe that would be too cynical but my gut tells me that Rich did not do an act TO Sue, he did the act FOR Sue.
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15. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
Maybe that would be too cynical but my gut tells me that Rich did not do an act TO Sue, he did the act FOR Sue.

Jason69850,

This whole post is offensive. I watched a guy sexually molest another person on television last night, and with no real evidance at all, you come up with a theory that they are in on the whole thing together to earn money.

Sue was wronged, and I hope that she sues CBS for allowing a naked man to play a physical challenge with other people. The only reason that Rich shouldn't go to jail here for his actions is that this criminal act took place in Panama. I would be {b] very comfortable in extraditing him to face charges there though.

She should quit.

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16. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
Puhlease....
Yes, I hear there are many gay men making sexual advances to women...
Sexually Molest...now where did you see that.
This incident didn't occur on the Battle Bridge or whatever they called it. She taunted first and waited for him.

By the way you are "Naked" too!


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18. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
LAST EDITED ON 02-28-04 AT 00:22 AM (EST)

Once again I point out the following:

1. She orginally wanted to go to that bridge, Hatch was there she moved on.

2. She didn't feel comfortable and changed her mind.

3. These things are totally irrelvant!

4. Her taunting him is irrelevant.

5. Just because there is taunting, does not mean she is asking for anything.

6. Overt pumping of Richard is relavant. She was trying to move past him, he continued when she had moved past.

She never said, come on Dicque, do me or rub that against me. She taunted at him like many others in the game have, taunting does not equal an invite.

Simple n plain actually.

Fweep

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28. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
uh.. erm.. um.. Naked is a devout Christian who selected his ID from a Biblical reference.

Isa 20:2 At the same time spake the Lord by Isaiah the son
of Amoz, saying, Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy
loins, and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so,
walking naked and barefoot.

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17. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
LAST EDITED ON 02-28-04 AT 00:26 AM (EST)

I apologize, Fweep. I don't remember reading your post (altho I'm sure I did - had a lot of time on my hands today) and it looks like you summed it up quite nicely! Your brilliance regarding Sue's motives must have seeped into my subconscious.

Now the beam incident...that's a different story.

Credit where credit's due. You da Fweep!

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20. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
I think Sue is going to say that she has been raped or otherwise sexually assaulted in the past, possibly more than once, and that because of this, the "incident" upset her by bringing it all back to her.

I would not be at all surprised if the story is absolutely true. I would not be surprised if it were enough to make her genuinely hysterical, either. I think we all forget how stressful for Survivor is and how very thin everyone's nerves get stretched. I think they are all exceptionally miserable this time and that the misery, combined with the stress of the game, is all they can handle. I think Sue is one of those people who is angry all the time and lives pretty close to the edge of fury anyway, so I think it probably is all too much for her and I suspect that most people will not understand what her problem is.

That's what I think, anyway.

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22. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"

>Rich got voted out of the game that she is still competing >in. What could be a better or more rewarding conclusion for >Susan than to have the person who harmed her voted out of the >game.

If the incident built up in Sue's mind before RC she wouldn't know Rich was voted out. She's apt to go off half cocked anyway, just based on her personality.

But I don't think she quits. She might talk about quitting before she finds out Rich was voted out but change her mind when she does get the news.

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23. "Another theory"
Ok, to play devil's advocate (because frankly all the theories above seem reasonable), here may be another reason why Susan quits. Because Rich is already gone, it seems odd that Sue would make as big a deal about it.

Someone at Chapera totally insults Sue (let's say Robfadda) and then Jiffy brings up the question at the challenge and starts joking about it. Then Sue totally blows up.

Hey it's another possibility.


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25. "RE: Another theory"
I agree...

I think if Sue had been that upset originally she'd have knocked Hatch off in the water then and there. I think someone at Chapera upsets her... and I'm betting on Big Tom. Her comments that he was a drunk and a dirty old man and she didn't like his sexual comments leads me to believe he makes some comment to her and she blows up...

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49. "RE: Another theory"
I agree with strid333 - something pissed her off probably after reward challenge, JP found out about it, made fun of her and she threw a hissy fit maybe before immunity challenge
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24. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
I don't mean this in a humorous way, but in addition to all the other reasons, Sue may leave due to something akin to "temporary insanity."
If her emotional outburst is as intense as it appears in the previews, she may have made a very impulsive decision in the heat of anger--one that she would not have otherwise entertained. If JP doesn't respond to her initial complaints in a way Sue feels is satisfactory she may quit out of anger, frustration and her need to make everyone else see the situation as seriously as she does.
I also think her own tribe contributes in some way to her outburst, either by encouraging her to become increasingly indignant in the days prior to the IC, or by teasing her about it to the point where she just loses it. I have a feeling it's the former rather than the latter, perhaps with the exception of Tom.
It will be interesting to see how the conversation goes back at camp and if people say the same things in confessionals as they do to Sue's face.
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26. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
There is no way Sue can make money off of the incident. Any non-contract claim will fall under Panamanian jurisdiction. Does Panama have strong civil laws against battery or sexual harassment? Probably not.

Any contract claim will have limited remedies for Sue. Of course, Sue probably doesn't know any of this at the time but this still leads me to believe that:

a) Sue was legimately traumatized in the past and this incident brought back those feelings. If that is the case, then people should be more sensitive. Sure, people think Sue is a ##### but that doesn't mean that she deserves what Richard did.

b) Sue is still playing the game and wants to create sympathy so she doesn't get booted.

c) This is all misdirection and something else happens, perhaps with Tom, that pushes Sue over the edge.

As a final note, if this event happened in the United States, Sue might very well have a strong case of criminal rape (or a lessor statutory equivelent) or civil battery against RICHARD. She might bring CBS in by saying that itencouraged the incident or did not take safeguards but this is a very weak argument. The only action against CBS that I can imagine, again, would be breach of contract. The remedy for the breach would probably not outweigh the cost of litigation, thus making the action moot.

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27. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
As Chapera was walking back to Camp Chapera with the Immunity Idol, Sue brought up the Richard incident. One of the men, I think it was Rob (hard to tell with so much overlapped talking going on) said it was disgusting. It wouldn't surprise me if this continues to be a topic of conversation, and when Chapera get their first look at new Mogo Mogo sans Richard (unable to defend himself) Sue has her chance to give him both barrels (figuratively speaking). The quitting and sueing stuff, that's a harder sell; but assuming she does quit, would they allow her to actually leave the game?

"If all machines were to be annihilated at one moment, so that not a knife nor lever nor rag of clothing nor anything whatsoever were left to man but his bare body alone that he was born with, and if all knowledge of mechanical laws were taken from him so that he could make no more machines, and all machine-made food destroyed so that the race of man should be left as it were naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")

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29. "Pelican foreshadowing?"
Living in American Samoa I am 2 weeks behind seeing the shows from the Mainland.
After watching the 3rd episode, I noticed that each time the editing switched to Jenna M they showed a scene with Pelicans, the connection being with Osten the first to quit. The Pelicans either flying overhead or diving into the water.

Has anyone seen any editing before a shot or conversation with Sue, or anyone else, that has been preceeded with a view of Pelicans?

Just a thought.

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39. "RE: Pelican foreshadowing?"

Hey RopesandChains- I do remember some footage of a pelican. i'm pretty sure it was last week in episode 5. i can't remember if they showed it anytime they showed Sue though ...

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30. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
I also think her own tribe contributes in some way to her outburst, either by encouraging her to become increasingly indignant in the days prior to the IC, or by teasing her about it to the point where she just loses it. I have a feeling it's the former rather than the latter, perhaps with the exception of Tom. It will be interesting to see how the conversation goes back at camp and if people say the same things in confessionals as they do to Sue's face.

I am remembering the Home Depot challenge, when Sue said she hoped her team would lose the challenge, and that they were all "stupid." What if Sue was a little annoyed or embarrassed by the beam incident, then feels that she is the butt of jokes once Chapera is back at their camp. I'm sure Tom found a lot of humor in the situation and what if he drunkenly goes on and on about it, while the Robfadder "heh, heh, heh's" in the background. I could easily see Sue becoming furious if that should happen, making her feel even more an outsider, and then when Jeff brings it up again at (RC? IC?), that's the last straw and she sees red. She goes off on Jeff, and instead of admitting she feels like the wierd kid no one liked in school, focuses more on "You should have stopped it before it happened". Then she ups and quits (probably fueled in part on the desire to see Chapera struggle without her as a strong challenge competitor).

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31. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
atherella over at sucks e-mailed Jeff Varner about this and she finally got a response. It looks like Sue does quit and forfeits her prize money by doing so. This is Varner's response:

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TVG has me doing reports on ASS every Wednesday night at 7, 8 and 9 eastern time. It airs all the next day, as well. I was gonna sit on the Sue/Rich thing because I wasn't sure when it happened. I just knew it happened. But when that Kristin chick from E! put it out there, my bosses pushed me to do it, so it was the topic of my segment last week. I'm glad they did. The "incident" happened E5. I'll do something on it again this week, I'm sure.

I hear the "incident" causes quite the stir next week. I'm also told Sue forfeited her winnings by quitting. I wonder if she'll do her press tour. This is a big Survivor week. It will have repercussions!

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33. "Radio Spot Tues Afternoon"
Heard this on the drive home today (WNDE 1260 in Indianapolis).

Typical "Thursday is the best night of TV...CBS..."

then heard to expect the "most explosive confrontation in the history of Survivor"...some random sound bites (couldn't tell for sure who was saying what) and then

"A tribal council that will be talked about by America for weeks"

followed by a sound bite of a female saying, I *think*, "it's scary", but I can't be 100% certain that's what she said, and I have no idea who said it, but it did not sound like either Sue or Alicia (my first impression is that it was Amber or Jerri, but it could have been Jenna - I would guess not Kathy or Shii, either).

Only posted because it sounds like there IS a tribal council this week. Whether Sue quits here, or she's already quit and they have a TC anyway (for another person gone), or they show them going through the formalities, I don't know.

And I found it odd, as I don't remember hearing a radio spot on this program so far this season (or ever). It was a on during a local sports talk show.

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34. "TC?"
If there is a tribal council and Sue doesnt quit, would they vote her out? Seems like they have a couple other options before her, but if her team is less than sympathetic... ???

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35. "RE: TC?"
If Soozin doesn't quit, Chapera might boot her out for embarrassing Jeffo and Marko. They might be afraid that Marko might screw them over as revenge for Soozin ripping them new a-holes, so they might punt her to keep them happy. Or they might not even think that far. They might simply see Soozin as the unpleasant pain in the ass with a big mouth that she is and boot her because they can't stand her any longer.
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36. "RE: TC?"
I think you may be over-complicating it a bit but I think you're basically right, it would be payback for going all drama queen on them.

Basically, Sue's head may be close to the chopping block anyway, she's not part of a dominant alliance, so this stuff may just push her to the front of the line.

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37. "RE: TC?"
There had been earlier speculation that Ethan found himself on the chopping block and blew up and quit over how he was being treated. It sounds like those pushing that theory were on the right track but had some bad information. I think even if Soozin didn't take the snakes at Jeffo on the next show, she was a candidate for the old heave ho. Her b!tchiness has already rubbed Tom the wrong way, and there might be others as well. I can't imagine either Rob or Alicia putting up with her attitude for long. If by some miracle Soozin survives this week's show, there will soon be a blowup between her and Rob, Alicia or Tom, and she'll be gone.
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44. "RE: TC?"
ICB,

I think there's a strong possibility that Chapera would vote Susan off next. 1) She's not in any alliance with the original Chapera; 2) She's a hard worker around camp, but since when has that really mattered; 3) We know BigTom doesn't like her, and RobM. probably doesn't either. Tom would back Rob's decision to vote her off, and Rupert and Jenna would happily go along with majority rules. Amber would likely go along, although she may suggest Rupert should go because he is a physical threat (but will probably be overruled at this point). What Alicia wants won't matter.

I think her time is up, and that will leave JennaL. as the only remaining player from the original Survivor. It will be interesting to see how far she makes it this time.

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45. "RE: TC?"
Is there any possibility that two people may leave this episode?

Only reason I ask is because we have 2 more survivors this season than normal, and I wonder if there are 2 more episodes planned than normal.

Is there a chance that Sue quits AND someone else gets voted off at TC?

From the promos, I don't think we have seen any caps from an IC, so it is surprising to hear that there is a TC.

Anyway, just wondering...

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46. "RE: TC?"
Elwood, the Finale has now been announced for May 9th. FSUGUY had posted Snewser's hypothetical episode schedule, which now looks pretty accurate:

Feb 01 1 They're Back! ~~~Tina
Feb 05 2 Panicked, Desperate, Thirsty as Hell ~~~ Rudy
Feb 12 3 Shark Attack ~~~JennaM
Feb 19 4 Wipe Out! ~~~RobC
Feb 26 5 I've Been Bamboozled!
Mar 04 6 Outraged
Mar 11 7
Mar 17 8
Mar 24 9
Apr 01 Recap?
Apr 08 10
Apr 15 11
Apr 22 12
Apr 29 13
May 06 14 Or recap against Friends finale?
May 09 15 Finale at Madison Square Garden

This schedule even allows for a recrap, so there should be only one exit per episode until the finale.



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76. "RE: TC?"
<pre-caffeine ramble>This is probably a stupid newbie question but I've not seen this discussed. While I think it's very likely Sue goes at the TC is it possible MB/JP decide Rich should have been ejected from the game over the incident? Since he's already been voted and the Mogos lost the previous IC they now have to vote someone out again and there is no IC this episode. Is that possible or just too convoluted? That would leave Sue in the game until crisis control day 21 when she's voted or quits because she's blown it becuase the Mogos want her gone too.</pre-caffeine ramble>

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79. "RE: TC?"
IN an article in the NY Post (linked from SFever)
http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/19676.htm

Probst is quoted talking about the challenge & getting the Colby?Rob call wrong, but goes on to say:

"Part of the rules and the contract sign is that during the challenges I'm the sole arbiter and final call.
They're often judgment calls," Probst said. "This is one I just blew."

The way I read it, he's got the final say on what goes. Getting naked isn't against the rules.

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80. "RE: TC?"
Yeah he doesn't mention the Rich/Sue incident.

And the reporter seems to have misinterpreted -- Jeff is not saying that he named the wrong challenge winner, just that in the Colby/Rob confrontation he made the wrong call.


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83. "RE: TC?"
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"They're often judgment calls," Probst said. "This is one I just blew."

Episode 7 is titled "Sorry...I blew it" referring to JP?

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38. "Tribal Council Ad"
Radio Ad, courtesy of sshaaz.
I guess we have a TC....
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40. "RE: Tribal Council Ad"
So...
I hear Sue say "Oh, it's so bad."
Tom says "Mad Day! May Day! May Day!"
And it sounds like either JennaL or Amber saying "It was scary."


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41. "RE: Tribal Council Ad"
LAST EDITED ON 03-03-04 AT 12:42 PM (EST)

Great catch VolcanicGlass. In the promo I think you can hear Sue saying,"Oh it's so bad...", then the add says "A tribal council America will be talking about for weeks", then I think Jerri is heard saying, "It was so scary". I think Sue's and Jerri's clips were certainly out of context.

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42. "RE: Tribal Council Ad"
For the past few seasons the radio spots have almost exclusively used contestant sound-bites from previous episodes. The only thing worthy of note here is the v.o. about the tribal council.


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43. "RE: Radio Spot Tues Afternoon"
Maybe Sue quits during the TC
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47. "Thoughts from here..."
Ok..if we believe that there is a TC...is there an IC. I was like BR in thinking there may not be an IC this episode. However, I am beginning to wonder if there is an IC.

I will say this time around, MB is not showing us as much as he used to. Remember, when they had the items in the box challenge. There was only one or two vid caps of that challenge and they came out during the football previews on the weekend.

Did we have both challenge vid caps last week?


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48. "RE: Thoughts from here..."
Yes, vols, we had some caps of the raft RC, and also of the bamboozled IC. I'm pretty sure we've had caps of every challenge in the promos up till now.



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50. "RE: Thoughts from here..."
I know the general consensus is there will be a tirade and quitting prior to any IC held so I'll be my usual obstinate self and not go that route.

I think Susan is conveniently used at Chapera's TC (after losing the immunity challenge) as the final culmination of their loss. Susan may, or may not, get fed up at what she hears and decide to quit at that point.

I realize that Osten had a tribal council whereupon he quit but they lost the immunity challenge so a TC for Morgan was looming anyway or else Osten would not have quit.

I also realize that Jenna was broached by Jeff if she wanted to wait until TC though she specifically stated prior to the IC she wanted to go home. Personally I think Jeff did that more out of courtesy for Jenna. There really are only a couple of scenarios that will fit a "quitting" and a "tribal council" (forget whether an IC is held or not; I have a feeling that either way MB is not showing us just to make us guess)

Susan decides to quit anywhere up until the IC and Susan is asked if she wants a TC (This bothers me. If she did do this, I have a problem seeing not only them asking if she would like a tribal council but Susan saying yes to that when she just threw her arms up and said I quit)

The tribes DO compete for the IC and Chapera loses (more likely than not it would be normal for Chapera to indirectly blame Susan for their demise) Susan, prior to TC does the same thing as Osten basically saying vote me off (feasible but I have a hard time seeing Susan doing this, goes against what I believe her personality is about)

The tribes compete, Chapera loses, goes to TC and Susan has another rant with some of Chapera blaming her for their situation and not supportin her. Susan feels betrayed and angry and basically says then I quit and that is all she wrote.

Similar to this would be Susan was the vote that night anyway; perhaps the votes were already tallied, Susan sees the writing and in mid vote off, she quits?

This would actually coincide nicely with the rumored lawsuits only because she could perhaps argue she was being voted off anyway. I am so hard pressed to believe she would give up her earnings in a blink of an eye however the lawsuit talk could, in fact, be simply rumors.

So, I will go against the grain and opt for an IC loss by Chapera since they will be going to a TC whereupon Susan gets voted off simultaneously quitting

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51. "RE: Thoughts from here..."
I'm with you, Veruca, firmly in the minority on this. I have heard the promos about TC and believe there will be one. Like you, I have doubts about any other mechanism for that happening other than Chapera losing an IC. And the idea of Susan asking to be voted off is so alien to how I (think) I know her that I simply cannot visualize it. Your idea makes the most sense to me.

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52. "RE: Thoughts from here..."
Just a thought...

Maybe Sue is all upset so they have her sit out the RC. Chapera has to sit someone out anyway. Then when they show up to compete in the IC Sue refuses to compete. She can't sit out since she sat out the RC. So Jeff says that Chapera loses by default and they must go to TC. Sue says she doesn't care because she is quitting and finished with everyone and everything.

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53. "RE: Thoughts from here..."
That sounds more logical to me, Loree.

If there is an IC, why not show clips of it in the previews? It would provide a red herring for the average viewer who hasn't read Varner etc. and has no idea that Sue might quit -- oh yeah, Sue is screeching at JP, but maybe Chapera wins the IC and Mogo Mogo has to vote out someone instead.

The absence of any IC caps *at all* makes me feel pretty certain there isn't going to be one.


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56. "RE: Thoughts from here..."
I am liking the conversation here. However, if things go down either way discussed here...why will we be talking about this TC for weeks?

When Osten quit we didn't talk about it for weeks!


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59. "RE: Thoughts from here..."
Osten was boring. Sue is not.

You might say that people talked about Sue's rats and snakes speech "for weeks" after S1. All she has to do is deliver a similar harangue at this TC.


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61. "RE: Thoughts from here..."
Good points BR. Let's also keep in mind that if the days pass the way they should (3 days this week and 3 days next week) as you and I have both pointed out, it would be day 21 after episode 7. Which is now making me wonder if something interesting doesn't happen next week as well, having Jiffy P. say that they were in crisis mode at that point.

Having the three days to recoop from Sue quitting, seems like that would sort of be behind them. However, we also know that it could be just simple hype by Jiffy!


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55. "RE: Thoughts from here..."
This scenario (Sue refusing to compete in the IC) sounds fairly plausible to me, if I go on the assumption that after the RC, the rest of Chapera basically blow Sue off. She's still upset, but they don't want to hear it, they think "enough already." In addition to which, if the two newer tribe members seem to be fitting into the fold, this could only exacerbate her feelings that she is basically alone out there, misunderstood, surrounded by people she dislikes.
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58. "RE: Thoughts from here..."
I like this a lot, Loree. It ties up a lot of things that are otherwise flapping about in the wind (hey, Richard coulda used... OK, I'll stop now).

Your theory explains why no vidcaps of an Immunity Challenge are shown. It explains how we have a Tribal Council without there having been an immunity challenge beforehand. It also explains why we see shots of Sue lying on the beach -- a point is being made about her non-participation, whereas normally it's of no interest (for the purposes of previews, anyway) who sits out a challenge.

I think it all adds up to Sue knowing that she forfeits her winnings if she quits, so she does everything in her power to ensure that she's the next person voted off. That seems a lot more like her personality than quitting, to me.

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64. "RE: Thoughts from here..."
Could Sue just end up saying at TC, why bother voting, I just quit? Then realize that she forfitted any winnings and that is why there is a rumor of a lawsuit. She might of assumed that she would get something since she made it to TC. Just a thought.

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65. "RE: Thoughts from here..."
I don't recall any forfeiture of winnings when Osten quit. Did they add something new into ASS contract to cover that, with Osten being the first to ever quit? Also, there was no mention of JennaM giving up her piece of the pie when she left. The only reason I can think of that would cause Sue to forfit her winnings is if she refused to go to IC.
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67. "RE: Thoughts from here..."
R & C...I assumed you lost your winnings. I thought I read it somewhere on the boards. Does anyone know the rule about being able to keep any winnings if you quit instead of being voted off?

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70. "RE: Thoughts from here..."
Magic Fingers,

To my knowledge, Jeff Varner was the first person to talk about a "rubbing" incident. He went on to say that the person involved was not that affected at first but after thinking about it became very upset and quits at the next challenge. Then he went on to say that the person forfeited the winnings.

This is just from my own memory, if there is someone else out there with other info please feel free to jump in.

I don't know that anyone has said there was a rule and I don't think anyone has seen the rule that says it.


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75. "RE: Thoughts from here..."
I have no idea what actually happens, but I would think that if a player were unable to participate in an IC or refused to do so, that the team would still be able to compete, but that they would still have to sit out a player who hadn't sat out the RC. It would be possible for them to win, but it would be more difficult, especially if it were a physical challenge. Someone might have to run 2 legs of a relay, for example.

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54. "RE: Thoughts from here..."
Pretty much the way I pick it, too, VS. The only thing that puzzles me is whether there will actually be a vote...I'm leaning towards a yes. I need to pick up some points in the PTB game!

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66. "RE: Thoughts from here..."
I have a "what if", or maybe a "this would be a cool twist." Let's say Sue quits before TC, the tribe thinks they are all safe, and then the tribe learns at TC they have to vote someone else out. Since they thought they were safe, no one worked on any alliances. The reasons the producers would want to do this is because it might discourage others from quitting, knowing that if you quit, another player can still go. Also, a surprise vote would be a interesting and entertaining vote. Just a thought, and someone else may have brought it up.
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57. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
Maybe she quit because she was humiliated by what Rich did to her in front of all her teammates? Would you stick around and behave like nothing bad has happened if you were sexually harassed at work?


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60. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
> Would you stick around and behave like nothing bad has happened if you were sexually harassed at work?

Eh? What about this incident even remotely resembles sexual harassment in the workplace? Actually, don't answer. ::grin:: Let's just agree to differ. I'm done with this whole topic.

Lovely kitty in the sig pic, btw.

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62. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
I love the kitty picture too! It has a very soothing quality.


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63. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
She is not at "work". She is on a reality TV show trying to win a $1,000,000 and/or fame. If I were in her situation, I think I could get past it.
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68. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
I think the only reason we'd be 'talking about this TC for weeks' is if nobody quit, there WAS an IC, and this whole rumor turned out to be another Sleek-ing.

If Sue quits, we'll be talking about it for 4 days, tops.

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69. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
To the general public that isn't spoiling the episodes...they have no idea that it is rumored that Sue quits. The promos aren't saying another ASS quits! So, I say that someone voted off is exactly what the average viewer is expecting!


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71. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
Interestingly, Vols, there's word that the TV Guide Channel just said that Sue quits this week. I haven't verified by looking myself, but apparently the info is out there.

That's not my point, though. My point relates to this business about "America talking about this TC for weeks." Let's face it, that's standard overblown TV producer marketing language. It reminds me of something from last season... hmm, perhaps it was even the promos for the Final 2?... in which we were told in similarly dramatic language that it was the Tribal Council that nobody would want to miss, the speeches were the most searing ever heard, and so forth. I recall watching the episode with cheery anticipation, only for the anticipation itself to prove the most exciting part of the evening.

So I think we can surmise that while there may be some yammering at Tribal Council, it's not going to be all-out war or anything along those lines. People know they're on show at TC in front of the whole tribe more than at any other time in the game, and nobody is going to say anything particularly edgy. I can see this breaking down as being Sue mouthing off a lot, and everyone else just sitting there looking slightly detached from the whole thing.

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72. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
LAST EDITED ON 03-03-04 AT 09:33 PM (EST)

Well, don't shoot the messenger here.

I am just trying to get our brains thinking in trying to determine what is going to happen. One of the things that we as spoilers should never do is give up on spoiling. We have done that numerous times and have been burned. So don't be so sure things will happen as exactly the way you think.

From everything that I have seen and read...I am not ready to surmise anything yet.

The whole thing maybe all bent out of shape but keep the juices flowing here. Don't think we have the mystery solved.


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73. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
Boy, if no mystery unfolds, this is going to be one boring week...I just hope all this "drama" ends soon and we can get back to the Survivors that are really here to play the game.


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74. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
LAST EDITED ON 03-04-04 AT 10:20 AM (EST)

Well, you have to admit, if we have an IC and a TC...we will be somewhat surprised since we don't have any vidcaps of the IC!

ETA: Had to change TC to IC! OOPS!

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77. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
You obviously meant IC, as opposed to TC, I ASSume? Giving us previews of TC would be nice, but has it ever happened?

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78. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
Yeah, I did mean IC! Sorry!


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81. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
for what its worth I still think Sue will sill be there and someone else will be voted off. But I am sure her blow up will be boring to watch - clock is ticking down...
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82. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
I am not sure Sue is going home tonight. I hope she does but I think it's going to be the old fashion way through a vote.
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84. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
wel I sure blew that one - not good at spoiling I guess
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85. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
Bah, nonsense, popsicle! It takes a village to spoil a TV show. Everyone's contributions keep the thought processes thrumming along.
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86. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
Nonsense. You got the boring part dead on!


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87. "RE: Why would Susan quit?"
thanks
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