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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-26-04, 05:53 PM (EST) "Sleek28's "boot list"" Okay, this should be taken with a huge bucketful of salt for now, but I'm posting it *just in case* we want to refer back to it later. A poster named Sleek28 put this up on Sucks as the definitive boot list, claiming to have inside information. The poster's m.o. aroused skepticism since he twice said he would come back to elaborate and then didn't. The posts were apparently deleted when he didn't return -- however, the list has been discussed extensively on Sucks (in the Chill One thread) as a more logical alternative to the C1's intel, especially in that the F7 switches Jenna and Tom (making for an all-Chapera F3), and switches Shii Ann and Alicia (getting Saboga pagonged consecutively). So, FWIW, Sleek28's order is: Tina Rudy Jenna M (leaves, not voted out-symbolic tribal council) Rob C Jerri Sue Ethan Richard Colby Lex Kathy Shi-Ann Alicia Jenna L Rupert Tom Amber and Rob M final 2 As I said, for now put this in category of "more stuff that's floating around out there" -- BUT, it may turn out to be worth another look as the game progresses...   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    yes, but... idiotcowboy 01-26-04 1    RE: yes, but... Brownroach 01-26-04 3        RE: yes, but... idiotcowboy 01-26-04 4        Special Tribal Council Krautboy 01-26-04 5  RE: Sleek28's "boot list" tribalwatcher 01-26-04 2  RE: Sleek28's "boot list" munson 01-26-04 6    RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Brownroach 01-27-04 7        RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Blow by Blow 01-27-04 8            RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Brownroach 01-27-04 9                RE: Sleek28's "boot list" idiotcowboy 01-27-04 10                RE: Sleek28's "boot list" udg 01-27-04 11                    RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Brownroach 01-27-04 12                    RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Scarlett O Hara 01-31-04 61                RE: Sleek28's "boot list" dabo 01-27-04 19  RE: Sleek28's "boot list" ihavturtlduvluv 01-27-04 13    RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Brownroach 01-27-04 14        RE: Sleek28's "boot list" ihavturtlduvluv 01-27-04 15            RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Brownroach 01-27-04 16                RE: Sleek28's "boot list" ihavturtlduvluv 01-27-04 17                    RE: Sleek28's "boot list" speedyforme 01-27-04 18                        RE: Sleek28's "boot list" dabo 01-27-04 20                            RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Milan23 01-27-04 21                                RE: Sleek28's "boot list" dabo 01-27-04 22                                    RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Brat2u 02-05-04 70                                        RE: Sleek28's "boot list" dabo 02-06-04 78                        it's great fiction idiotcowboy 01-27-04 23                            WHAT PEOPLE WITH ACCESS WILL SPOIL ... forestforest 02-11-04 138                                RE: WHAT PEOPLE WITH ACCESS WILL SP... Get Bent 02-11-04 139                                    RE: WHAT PEOPLE WITH ACCESS WILL SP... forestforest 02-11-04 140                                        RE: WHAT PEOPLE WITH ACCESS WILL SP... Get Bent 02-11-04 141                                RE: WHAT PEOPLE WITH ACCESS WILL SP... okaloosajohn 02-12-04 142                                    RE: WHAT PEOPLE WITH ACCESS WILL SP... forestforest 02-12-04 143                                    RE: WHAT PEOPLE WITH ACCESS WILL SP... dabo 02-12-04 147                                        RE: WHAT PEOPLE WITH ACCESS WILL SP... forestforest 02-13-04 152                        RE: Sleek28's "boot list" okaloosajohn 01-28-04 29                            Q? Krautboy 01-28-04 30                                RE: Q? okaloosajohn 01-28-04 31                        Episode 1 Post-Mortem Bebo 02-02-04 62                            RE: Episode 1 Post-Mortem munson 02-02-04 63                            RE: Episode 1 Post-Mortem kykate 02-06-04 92                                RE: Episode 1 Post-Mortem okaloosajohn 02-06-04 94  RE: Sleek28's "boot list" LozengeofLove 01-27-04 24    Switch Tribe Breakdown That Works Brad Lascelle 01-28-04 25        RE: Switch Tribe Breakdown That Wor... LozengeofLove 01-28-04 26        RE: Switch Tribe Breakdown That Wor... speedyforme 01-28-04 27        Unclecameraman is back idiotcowboy 01-28-04 28            RE: Unclecameraman is back Brownroach 01-28-04 32                RE: Unclecameraman is back idiotcowboy 01-28-04 33  Boot List Comparisons Krautboy 01-28-04 34    RE: Boot List Comparisons idiotcowboy 01-28-04 35        Please lock this thresd already! shakes the clown 01-28-04 36            RE: Please lock this thresd already... lovetowatch 01-28-04 38            shakes is right TeamJoisey 01-28-04 41        RE: Boot List Comparisons Blow by Blow 01-28-04 37  RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Brad Lascelle 01-28-04 39    RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Krautboy 01-28-04 40        RE: Sleek28's "boot list" pmspml5 01-29-04 42  Latest update Krautboy 01-29-04 43    RE: Latest update Brownroach 01-29-04 44  Sleek28's Stuff - A couple of thoug... crayZoZ 01-29-04 45    Fuhgeddaboudit... Brownroach 01-29-04 46    RE: Sleek28's Stuff - A couple of t... Krautboy 01-29-04 47        RE: Sleek28's Stuff - A couple of t... Brownroach 01-29-04 48            RE: Sleek28's Stuff - A couple of t... Krautboy 01-29-04 49                RE: Sleek28's Stuff - A couple of t... Brownroach 01-29-04 51                IS MARK BURNETT A FOOL? forestforest 02-12-04 150                    RE: IS MARK BURNETT A FOOL? dabo 02-13-04 151            RE: Sleek28's Stuff - A couple of t... Griffe 01-29-04 50                Three Options idiotcowboy 01-29-04 52                    Agree dabo 01-29-04 53                    RE: Three Options okaloosajohn 01-29-04 56                RE: Sleek28's Stuff - A couple of t... crayZoZ 01-29-04 54                    RE: Sleek28's Stuff - A couple of t... dabo 01-29-04 55  RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Brad Lascelle 01-30-04 57    RE: Sleek28's "boot list" CaptainP 01-30-04 58  The latest from sleek28 munson 01-31-04 59    RE: The latest from sleek28 kelli_blue 01-31-04 60  Tina's CBS Web Chat Get Bent 02-02-04 64    RE: Tina's CBS Web Chat okaloosajohn 02-02-04 65        RE: Tina's CBS Web Chat Blow by Blow 02-02-04 66            RE: Tina's CBS Web Chat munson 02-02-04 67  Janitor! JLude 02-05-04 68    RE: Janitor! dabo 02-05-04 69  can we please lock this NOW! shakes the clown 02-05-04 71    RE: can we please lock this NOW! munson 02-05-04 72    RE: can we please lock this NOW! okaloosajohn 02-05-04 73    RE: can we please lock this NOW! Brad Lascelle 02-05-04 74        RE: can we please lock this NOW! Brad Lascelle 02-05-04 75        yet another reason why its BS shakes the clown 02-06-04 89            RE: yet another reason why its BS GetMeOuttaHere 02-06-04 99                RE: yet another reason why its BS Brownroach 02-06-04 100                    RE: yet another reason why its BS GetMeOuttaHere 02-06-04 102                    RE: yet another reason why its BS okaloosajohn 02-07-04 113                RE: yet another reason why its BS tribephyl 02-06-04 101                    RE: yet another reason why its BS GetMeOuttaHere 02-06-04 103                        RE: yet another reason why its BS Brownroach 02-06-04 104                            I was not insulting Shakes. Do you ... GetMeOuttaHere 02-06-04 105            RE: yet another reason why its BS theking0075 02-09-04 126    Unlocked for now AyaK 02-05-04 76        RE: Unlocked for now dabo 02-06-04 80    RE: can we please lock this NOW! SurvivorBlows 02-06-04 79        RE: can we please lock this NOW! dabo 02-06-04 81    Rudy WAS lied to mavsfan 02-06-04 85        RE: Rudy WAS lied to allstarr 02-06-04 91        RE: Rudy WAS lied to PepeLePew13 02-07-04 118    RE: can we please lock this NOW! MDSkinner 02-06-04 86        RE: can we please lock this NOW! Raistlin212 02-06-04 87        RE: can we please lock this NOW! SurvivorBlows 02-06-04 88  SLeek28's Stuff - No Clowning aroun... crayZoZ 02-05-04 77    RE: SLeek28's Stuff - No Clowning a... Get Bent 02-06-04 82        RE: SLeek28's Stuff - No Clowning a... Brad Lascelle 02-06-04 83            RE: SLeek28's Stuff - No Clowning a... Get Bent 02-06-04 84                RE: SLeek28's Stuff - No Clowning a... Brownroach 02-06-04 93            RE: SLeek28's Stuff - No Clowning a... lovetowatch 02-06-04 90    RE: SLeek28's Stuff - No Clowning a... GetMeOuttaHere 02-06-04 106  sleek on E3 munson 02-06-04 95    RE: sleek on E3 KObrien_fan 02-06-04 96    RE: sleek on E3 MDSkinner 02-06-04 97        RE: sleek on E3 VerucaSalt 02-06-04 98            RE: sleek on E3 okaloosajohn 02-07-04 114            RE: sleek on E3 MDSkinner 02-08-04 125  RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Raistlin212 02-06-04 107    RE: Sleek28's "boot list" munson 02-06-04 108        RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Raistlin212 02-06-04 109            RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Brad Lascelle 02-07-04 117                RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Raistlin212 02-07-04 119                    RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Brad Lascelle 02-07-04 121                        RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Raistlin212 02-07-04 122                            RE: Sleek28's "boot list" dabo 02-07-04 123                RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Brownroach 02-09-04 127    RE: Sleek28's "boot list" volsfan 02-06-04 110        RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Raistlin212 02-06-04 111            RE: Sleek28's "boot list" volsfan 02-07-04 120        RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Cuauhtewatemoccajava 02-06-04 112            RE: Sleek28's "boot list" okaloosajohn 02-07-04 116    RE: Sleek28's "boot list" okaloosajohn 02-07-04 115        RE: Sleek28's "boot list" fredscott 02-08-04 124  Update munson 02-09-04 128    RE: Update dabo 02-10-04 129        RE: Update munson 02-10-04 136    RE: Update strid333 02-10-04 130        RE: Update dabo 02-10-04 132            RE: Update okaloosajohn 02-10-04 133    RE: Update TeamJoisey 02-10-04 131        RE: Update munson 02-10-04 134            RE: Update dabo 02-10-04 135                RE: Update munson 02-10-04 137                    RE: Update Naked 02-19-04 184        RE: Update Brad Lascelle 02-12-04 149  The latest and the last? munson 02-12-04 144    Lame... Blow by Blow 02-12-04 145        RE: Lame... Brownroach 02-12-04 146            Sleek Poll dabo 02-12-04 148                RE: Sleek Poll forestforest 02-13-04 153                    RE: Sleek Poll Get Bent 02-13-04 154                        RE: Sleek Poll pmspml5 02-13-04 155                        Episode 3 Post-Mortem Brownroach 02-13-04 156                            RE: Episode 3 Post-Mortem okaloosajohn 02-13-04 162                        RE: Sleek Poll forestforest 02-13-04 160                            RE: Sleek Poll Get Bent 02-13-04 163                            Exactly! shakes the clown 02-13-04 164  Crawling out of the woodwork munson 02-13-04 157    New Silverstarz thread please? Krautboy 02-13-04 158        Sure, KB munson 02-13-04 161    RE: Crawling out of the woodwork buckeyegirl 02-13-04 159    Last minute spoiling = lame Blow by Blow 02-13-04 166  No more posts in this thread, pleas... Brownroach 02-13-04 165  RE: Sleek28's "boot list" KeithFan 02-16-04 167    RE: Sleek28's "boot list" dabo 02-17-04 168        RE: Sleek28's "boot list" erickman 02-18-04 169            RE: Sleek28's "boot list" okaloosajohn 02-18-04 172    RE: Sleek28's "boot list" RealityRyan 02-18-04 170        RE: Sleek28's "boot list" VerucaSalt 02-18-04 171            RE: Sleek28's "boot list" okaloosajohn 02-18-04 173                RE: Sleek28's "boot list" buckeyegirl 02-18-04 174        RE: Sleek28's "boot list" Loree 02-18-04 175            RE: Sleek28's "boot list" pmspml5 02-18-04 176  Looks like Sleek's run is over. I_Got_Nutn 02-18-04 177    RE: Looks like Sleek's run is over. Brownroach 02-18-04 178        Lock, Please. dabo 02-18-04 179            RE: Lock, Please. westgirl98 02-19-04 180    As usual, I was right shakes the clown 02-19-04 181        RE: As usual, I was right Blow by Blow 02-19-04 182        RE: As usual, I was right ginger 02-19-04 183

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idiotcowboy 1135 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 01-26-04, 06:34 PM (EST) 1. "yes, but..." Ok it fits in nicely with the Patagonia stuff (which was early info), and the known Jenna M departure (though I thought she was leaving a little later like E4 OR E5). The Jerri and Sue boots look a little suspicious though I suppose tribal/alliance shuffling could make that work. Coupled that with the complete Mogo Mogo pagoning in the middle??? I dunno... Also, it doesnt map with the early snewser (wingedmonkeys) post that final 3 was 2 girls and guy (but then he messed up the binocular thingie and the tribal colors too). I guess if might work, but if I dont need any backing to support my claims I bet I could make one up that looks reasonable too! -ICB let see Tina 1st, Ethan 2nd... no make that Ru...   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-26-04, 07:03 PM (EST) 3. "RE: yes, but..." LAST EDITED ON 01-26-04 AT 07:08 PM (EST) Most info has Jenna leaving on or about day 8, which would mean she was third out of the game. This list doesn't put Rich in proximity to the other Patagonia boots, however. Anyway, IF the first two boots are correct AND there is a "symbolic tribal council" when Jenna leaves, I might be inclined to pay some attention to this. Until then, it's just another list...   Top

idiotcowboy 1135 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 01-26-04, 07:25 PM (EST) 4. "RE: yes, but..." > Most info has Jenna leaving on or about day 8, which > would mean she was third out of the game You dont know how sad that makes me...   Top

Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 01-26-04, 07:41 PM (EST) 5. "Special Tribal Council" The ACME Calendar lists a "special Tribal Council" on the day that Jenna is supposed to quite, so the "symbolic tribal council" could have been taken directly from the calendar...just good speculation. Krautboy   Top

tribalwatcher 56 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 01-26-04, 06:53 PM (EST) 2. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" I don't think it really matters, but the original post wasn't deleted, it was just moved to the dump at Sucks.   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 01-26-04, 09:59 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" The posts were apparently deleted when he didn't return -- however, the list has been discussed extensively on Sucks (in the Chill One thread) as a more logical alternative to the C1's intel, especially in that the F7 switches Jenna and Tom (making for an all-Chapera F3), and switches Shii Ann and Alicia getting Saboga pagonged consecutively). Since we haven't seen an all F3 anything since Thailand and three of the last four season had mixed F3s, hard to call this revised list "more" logical. Why Alicia before Shii Ann? Maybe immunity for the Shii-Devil?   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-27-04, 11:09 AM (EST) 7. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" LAST EDITED ON 01-27-04 AT 11:11 AM (EST) hard to call this revised list "more" logical Hey, I didn't say it, it was the folks at Sucks. I agree, does "logical" happen anymore? But I think the idea is that C1's intel -- and Snewser's scorecard such as it is now -- have an F4 of Rupert and Jenna (both Sabogas) and Rob and Amber (both Chaperas), with Tom getting kicked out 5th. *Theoretically* that would engender a tie vote at F4. Wouldn't Rob/Amber/Tom vote out one of Jenna and Rupert at F5 to prevent that? By the same token, Alicia going before Shii Ann wouldn't make sense, as C1 has it -- if Shii Ann is immune, why not get rid of Rupert ? Whatever...   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 01-27-04, 12:42 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" It's entirely possible that Amber/Rob/Rupert/Jenna form a post-merge f4 pact. I believe three of those people could be trusted to stick with it (Rob might ditch). I can see Amber getting her act together and forcing Rob to stick with the deal if he proposed breaking it. Or, she could let him think they're breaking it, but stick to a vote against Tom. Doing so, she's shown loyalty to Rupert and Jenna, which will help her get to f3, and she can also tell Rob, "c'mon back to our twosome" and try to reach f2 with him. Sure, if Tom does get booted the crew goes into f4 with a 2vs2 split, but they might openly acknowledge this conundrum and agree that MB can unveil whatever lame tie breaker he wants and they'll take their chances. After all, at that point you'd have a 25% chance of winning the mil, so why not take the gamble? Does that make sense? -BbB   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-27-04, 01:31 PM (EST) 9. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" LAST EDITED ON 01-27-04 AT 01:32 PM (EST) Well, I'd rather know for sure that I'll have a 33.33% chance of winning the mil. Frankly, I've been wondering about Rupert -- how would he manage to get that far this time? He'd have to be more tuned in to alliances. Also, he may try to downplay his challenge-hogness. These JP comments were posted on Sucks this morning: WishICouldTell Registered User Posts: 146 (1/27/04 6:43 am) Reply JP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I heard JP on Bob & Tom. He said, among other things, that he was very curious to see if the contestants who had "played a high note", such as Richard, Rob C., and Rupert would change their strategy in ASS, because if they didn't, they were toast. He said Rupert did just that. Rupert came in as a "mule", as in, "Load me up with work, I am the strong one", and Rupert just worked and stayed out of the limelight, which was a "great strategy". --------------------------------------------------- It does appear that Saboga loses the first IC -- maybe Rupert doesn't give it quite everything he's got? The rest is also interesting (from the same post): Also, Rupert was the only player in which no one knew much about, as they only saw the first 5 episodes of PI. So, they TOLD THEM that Rupert did not win PI, out of fairness, so that Rupert wouldn't get voted out on a "maybe he won" theory. JP said that Jon would have definitely been cast if they had known that he would become such a villain. But at the time of casting, they hadn't seen that develop yet. Also, the theme is "familiarity", thus a repeat location, and we will see popular challenges revisited. ------------------------------------------------------- It sounds like they knew the winners would be targeted early. I'd have expected Rupert to make sure everyone knew he didn't win, but it didn't occur to me that MB/JP would tell them. I don't understand the comment about Jon. They'd have known what a weasel Jon was by the time S7 was over.   Top

idiotcowboy 1135 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 01-27-04, 01:40 PM (EST) 10. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" > I don't understand the comment about Jon. They'd have > known what a weasel Jon was by the time S7 was over. Yes but werent they casting this thing during the S7 filming, or at the very least thinking about it. The actual invites may not have gone out then, but I expect the casting decisions were made very early with several M-F alternates available should someone be unavailable (ei Colleen and Lis).   Top

udg 3381 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 01-27-04, 02:01 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" LAST EDITED ON 01-27-04 AT 02:03 PM (EST) >JP said that Jon would have >definitely been cast if they >had known that he would >become such a villain. But >at the time of casting, >they hadn't seen that develop >yet. >I don't understand the comment about >Jon. They'd have known >what a weasel Jon was >by the time S7 was >over. I don't think JP & MB realized how bad people would think Jon was. I don't think they saw it as truly evil or "crossing the line." After all, JP has said all along that he'd lie his butt off if he were a contestant. I think the backlash was much stronger than even they expected. --- UDG Edited to delete a bunch of stuff that I meant to delete but forgot to delete when I was deleting the stuff that was supposed to be deleted.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-27-04, 02:08 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" That makes the most sense I guess. They were able to rush Rupert in at the eleventh hour because they had early signs he'd be extremely popular. With Jon it wasn't as clear-cut.   Top

Scarlett O Hara 3439 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 01-31-04, 06:53 PM (EST) 61. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" Too bad Jon wasn't cast for ASS! He never pretended to be anything that he wasn't and, like him or not, what a master of the game he turned out to be! I especially enjoyed the way he single-handedly got rid of Dead-a, I mean Darrah! Scarlett   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-27-04, 10:02 PM (EST) 19. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" The other ASS players hadn't seen Jon in his full villainous glory. They had seen Rupert being who he is.   Top

ihavturtlduvluv 152 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 01-27-04, 05:39 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" Sleek turned up again on Sucks today and was immediately locked again by Q. Says he can't list his affiliations, but that he is speaking the truth and this is absolutely the boot list in exact order. Not sure what it means, or if its true, or what not, but my faker radar isn't going crazy with him like it normally does for all the other hacks out there on Sucks. I don't like his boot order tho, cause I want Jenna L. to win LOL. ~ihavturtlduvluv   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-27-04, 05:46 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" but my faker radar isn't going crazy with him like it normally does for all the other hacks out there Neither did mine, so I thought the list was worth saving, just in case. Apparently he PM'ed the mods with his background, but didn't wait to hear back from them before reposting.   Top

ihavturtlduvluv 152 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 01-27-04, 05:50 PM (EST) 15. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" I actually sent him an email through the SS board, and he immediately replied. I suggested he come post in this thread because we would at least hear him out. Remains to be seen if he does head this way. Gave him a link to this thread anyway. Like I said, normally my 'faker' radar is going crazy, but as with TifferT, it's not at all this time which either means he's a good liar and I'm gulliable, or the show has been spoiled and it only remains to be seen. On another note I really do want to know what all the hullabalo is about the infamous matches. As long as they don't show it on tv, I think I'll be okay. Bleech, I'm shuddering just thinking about it. ~ihavturtlduvluv   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-27-04, 05:58 PM (EST) 16. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" Well if he does want to post more about this here, he should email one of the mods first to vet his credentials.   Top

ihavturtlduvluv 152 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 01-27-04, 06:12 PM (EST) 17. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" Good call. Or he could just give all of us his credentials (I'm curious I admit) Alas, I doubt anyone will truly be believed until the end, and even then, I bet people wouldn't necessarially believe. ~ihavturtlduvluv   Top

speedyforme 228 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 01-27-04, 08:34 PM (EST) 18. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" THIS IS WHAT HE SAID ON SUCKS: The boot order and YES in exact boot order is: Tina: Tina did not want to do this show- the media says different, but she was very hesitant and did not seem to be very positive from the beginning- She is the first booted player and while i cannot tell you the vote count (Q knows why) she seems to feel doomed from the start- The tribe does get along well, and even Jerri is kind (at the beginning) In confessionals Jerri does talk about seeing the ouster of Tina and Colby as her main priority- Tina is one you will see that defends her position in survivor history and dismisses this game as a true measure of "survivor"- Jenna and Jerri seem to persuade at least one other to vote off Tina Rudy-- This tribe does not start off well, and that is obvious- Rudy has lost a few steps since survivor one, Rupert does lie to Rudy- whether or not the final editing shows this or not remaiins to be seen- i just laugh because Rupert is seen as a hero but he is just as bad as those he Criticized in PI- Rudy thinks he is Ok but easily is the second boot- Rupert justifies the boot afterward (as usual) Jenna (leaves, not voted out-symbolic tribal council) Jenna leaves game, and i guess that is already known- Originally they were not going to make this a huge part of the episode, BUT the overwhelming feelings of the whole cast were evident- Just to make you Jenna fans feel better- She and Colby were going to be targeted anyway- if they had lost i think Jenna would have been the first boot anyway (we will never know for sure) Rob Cesternino- Rob is well liked by his tribemates- believe it or not this tribe really is the love tribe- they all are very respectful of each other- i thought there would be more friction early on in this tribe and it turned out to be just the opposite- In their confessionals- they are mean and dirty- especially ROBM.- he does this the whole game- If things go as orginally planned, alot of this episode talks about Rob C's strategy and i have to admit that he does not see it coming- the editing starts to show the true tribel leader, Rob M as the leader Jerri-- Swap time- Jerri is the obvious boot in her new living environment- she is one of the very few that leaves with class- she pretty much knows she is going home-nothing too exciting with her Sue-- Sue thinks she is in a position of power, she is not however Lex and Shi Ann lead to her dismissal Ethan-- Ethan acts like a jackass pretty much the whole time he is there- he complains alot, on camera and off- he feels that the set up put him in a tough situation- he knows he is going as well- he threatens to quit the show but does not- voted out easily (he really is a pansy) He also talks alot about how the switch put him in a group of people he does not know that well- i dont know if in the end they focus on that Richard-- Richard loses the most respect of any of the former survivors- his strategy seemed very odd- he wanted to immediately try and minimize his S1 success by acting bizarre- he and Kathy have a huge blowup and the rest join in to vote Richard out- This is the episode where Jeff yells at many of the contestants and they show some of this in this episode- Rich leaves with Rupert calling him "pathetic shell of the survivor 1 champion" Colby-- this is really where the backstabbing gets bad- Jenna Lewis turns her back on her "new" alliance that includes Lex, Cathy, Shi-ann and Rupert- To me Colby seemed like the life of the party on the outback- he really does not do a whole lot on this- He is not the leader, purposely, but his alliance building was not that strong- he has the whole "marked man" complex and is not surprised that someone has turned their back on him- he exits gracefully merge time Lex--- Lex is really cool on this show, but alot of this episode focus's on he and Tom's relationship- Lex is convinced that Tom, Kathy, Shi-Ann, and Rupert are sticking together- Tom specifically talks about the Ethan- Lex final 2 pact and that he has no loyalty- Tom is smart enough to see that he can win by sticking with his original group- Needless to say Lex is chapped on this Kathy-- Shi jumps ship and votes Kathy- this episode is pretty boring- Kathy focuses on persuading the "older" crowd to stick together and form a new alliance- the editing shows it might work but we all know better than that Shi-Ann- Shi thinks she has convinced Alicia and Jenna to vote with her- no shock when Shi goes- I cant stand this girl- she spends the whole game playing to the cameras and bragging as if she is a great manipulator- she also gets bad edit which makes here America's new Jerri- Alicia-- Alicia and Jenna are good friends- Amber and Rob vote Alicia out in a scheme that leaves Alicia in shock- RobM, Amber, Alicia, and Tom all agreed to vote Rupert Jenna L-- Here it gets tricky- lots of changing deals- the voting block focuses on Jenna, Tom, Rupert voting out Rob M-Someone changes their mind ( i would guess Tom) Read between the lines when i say that i have no access to the actual votes Rupert- Tie here- GREAT episode- Amber and Rob vote Rupert, Tom and Rupert vote Rob M (while i cannot tell you for sure, it is obvious through confessionals) Rob M makes deal with Tom at tribal council to change vote and take to final 2- Tom takes deal- just like in PI Rupert actually was pretty cool during this, but just like in Pi his bad moments are not shown Tom- Amber knows exactly what Rob was doing and they discussed before hand what they would do in that event- Rupert was too well liked- Tom is very loved- Rob wins immunity and takes Amber- Tom is livid Amber and Rob M final 2 I do not know final vote- Rob is hated because of his cockiness and backstabbing- Rob also promised on his life he would not betray Tom- Amber is not just flying under the radar during allstars- she is not well like either- I really think it might be closer vote than people would think it would be- I think the players that would vote based on gameplay were booted before Jury- BUT here is the predicted upset- I think Rob's Jury performance is one of the best, if not the best ever- he specifically talks about how great the booted members are; Amber does not do as well- although Rob is hated i think he wins a close vote (just my opinion) He explains in jury every step of every decision   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-27-04, 10:10 PM (EST) 20. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" How would he know that Rupert's bad moments aren't shown? Has the whole thing been edited together already?   Top

Milan23 127 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 01-27-04, 10:22 PM (EST) 21. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" I was wondering the same thing. The comment about Shii Ann struck me as odd " she also gets bad edit which makes here America's new Jerri- ". Do they edit the entire season before it airs? I don't recall hearing anything about that one way or another.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-27-04, 10:41 PM (EST) 22. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" LAST EDITED ON 01-27-04 AT 10:49 PM (EST) Maybe CBS will tell us a tribe will host a wedding and then we won't get to see it. Oh wait, that already happened. Seems to me the final editting on every episode goes down to the wire. Even so, being privy to editing decisions that may already have been made at this point in time, it doesn't make sense to me.   Top

Brat2u 93 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 02-05-04, 12:05 PM (EST) 70. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" I always thought the "wedding" was the merging of Drake and Morgan...(still mad that they never showed us any footage of the Outcasts camp.) I recall Jeffie on the Sharon Osbourne Show talking about the Big Lie a while before it actually aired. He sits in during the editing. I tend to agree with you, they probably tweek the episodes before they go on the air.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-06-04, 00:08 AM (EST) 78. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" The wedding was a mock wedding held for Christa to commemorate the day on which her wedding had originally been planned but which she had set back in order to be on Survivor. That was advertised by CBS and in TV Guide but in the end the only people who got to see it were those who subscribed to the online Yahoo Survivor Insider (as reported by markopolo100).   Top

idiotcowboy 1135 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 01-27-04, 11:21 PM (EST) 23. "it's great fiction" I suppose it could be true too, but I find it hard to believe anyone with enough access to make these comments would post them. -ICB   Top

forestforest 28 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-11-04, 11:11 PM (EST) 138. "WHAT PEOPLE WITH ACCESS WILL SPOIL AND WHAT THEY WON'T" There's a great deal of wisdom in the speculation that anyone with really terrific access would not be likely to post good info in this forum. HOWEVER, I spoiled two ancillary facts for Survivor 7 -- the fact that the finale had been moved to L.A., for example -- but I would never put in writing a boot list. My credentials for spoiling: I've been friends with Al Berman for years (he executive-produces the finale), and I'm married to someone who attends the weekly Friday meeting (the "11:00 o'clock") that all bigwigs at CBS attend, whether in person or by conference call, including, during Survivor's season, Mark Burnett. At these meetings, lips are surprisingly loose and the info always accurate. What I have to lose should be obvious. If I posted anything as potentially harmful to the CBS pocketbook as the boot order, I'd be five million dollars in the hole. The confidentiality agreements have TEETH. FF   Top

Get Bent 293 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 02-11-04, 11:16 PM (EST) 139. "RE: WHAT PEOPLE WITH ACCESS WILL SPOIL AND WHAT THEY WON'T" FF, So what is your theory on this Sleek fellow? MB plant? Somebody messing with the spoilers for fun? And can you say definitively that his list is wrong?   Top

forestforest 28 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-11-04, 11:42 PM (EST) 140. "RE: WHAT PEOPLE WITH ACCESS WILL SPOIL AND WHAT THEY WON'T" LAST EDITED ON 02-11-04 AT 11:46 PM (EST) I wouldn't dream of putting in writing whether Sleek's list is correct. My own information, while good, is incomplete, and I wouldn't risk those "teeth." I will say this: don't dismiss Sleek's list in its entirety. Consider this: anyone connected with the show who is disgruntled would hardly choose this forum for his/her revenge. My thinking is that malicious and accurate spoiling would be given to VARIETY, or some outlet with big, nasty lawyers. My own theory? It's not worth much because I clearly outrank Sleek and I know diddly. My GUESS is that Sleek got hold of something and isn't savvy enough to make the best use of it or, perhaps, to understand all of its ramifications. Sleek has a big mouth, and I think we all know not to trust people who insist on being right -- what's in it for him/her? I would tend to trust reports that are accompanied by a little humility. Re MB's campaign of disinformation: MB is savvy and he knows how to do this sort of thing very well. Better than Sleek. FF   Top

Get Bent 293 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 02-11-04, 11:52 PM (EST) 141. "RE: WHAT PEOPLE WITH ACCESS WILL SPOIL AND WHAT THEY WON'T" FF, Thank you for your two cents! We all have been leery of this fellow anyway, for many of the reasons that you listed, as well as others. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out!   Top

okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-12-04, 07:14 AM (EST) 142. "RE: WHAT PEOPLE WITH ACCESS WILL SPOIL AND WHAT THEY WON'T" LAST EDITED ON 02-12-04 AT 10:41 AM (EST) Did you sign a confidentiality agreement with CBS? I mean at some point the whole process starts to break down, doesn't it? If you told your hairdresser and he told his boyfriend who told his drug dealer who told his sister who happens to be the biggest Survivor spoiler freak in the known universe, who does CBS sue?   Top

forestforest 28 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-12-04, 10:12 AM (EST) 143. "RE: WHAT PEOPLE WITH ACCESS WILL SPOIL AND WHAT THEY WON'T" I don't know anything about getting into a contractual dispute with CBS, and I like it that way. I'm speculating they'd have to nail you fairly solid to bring a case. But, I don't know. And, since I don't know, I'll stay out of it. I know how some of the information flows at CBS, which was my only point in commenting on whether the Sleek person should be trusted. Sleek may have the whole thing right -- I don't know. I caution, however, against blind faith. That's all. FF   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-12-04, 11:06 PM (EST) 147. "RE: WHAT PEOPLE WITH ACCESS WILL SPOIL AND WHAT THEY WON'T" >... who does CBS sue? No one. Whichever person in a position to legitimately know (attend the meeting, enter the building, whatever) just wouldn't be able to get arrested in Hollywood after that. ("Can't get arrested" is Hollywood slang for "career over.")   Top

forestforest 28 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-13-04, 01:13 AM (EST) 152. "RE: WHAT PEOPLE WITH ACCESS WILL SPOIL AND WHAT THEY WON'T" VAIRY good, Dabo. LOL! FF   Top

okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 01-28-04, 11:21 AM (EST) 29. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" Well, if this is legit, I don't think we're gonna find out who Sleek28 really is. This would have to be written by someone who worked intimately with the cast and crew. It just about would have to be a very well placed crew member, I think, because he/she talks about things that happen both on and off camera. The way it is written just shows that there has to be a daily edit of the show ongoing. This would make sense. A first cut would probably be put together of each show as they went through the all the footage. No way are they going to wait until the end to start the editing process. That would not preclude changes and it handily explains things like the 'wedding' getting dropped from PI. I'm left wondering who "Q" is: "...She is the first booted player and while i cannot tell you the vote count (Q knows why)". It shouldn't take too many episodes to figure out whether or not this is the Mother of all Spoilers!   Top

Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 01-28-04, 11:32 AM (EST) 30. "Q?" "Q" is a moderator at SSucks and apparently Sleek28 discussed his post privately with him, before posting, to keep it from being immediately locked. He must have convinced "Q" that he may be legitimate, since he was allowed keep his thread open... Krautboy   Top

okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 01-28-04, 11:53 AM (EST) 31. "RE: Q?" Ah. Thanks for the explanation, KB, I never visit over there...   Top

Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-02-04, 10:50 AM (EST) 62. "Episode 1 Post-Mortem" Tina: Tina did not want to do this show- the media says different, but she was very hesitant and did not seem to be very positive from the beginning- This point could be disputed. She is the first booted player and while i cannot tell you the vote count (Q knows why) she seems to feel doomed from the start- She did sense her doom. The tribe does get along well, A relative term - There was quite a bit of sniping going on. and even Jerri is kind (at the beginning) Compared to Jenna, yes. She was toned down this ep. In confessionals Jerri does talk about seeing the ouster of Tina and Colby as her main priority- Did she? She seemed focused on getting rid of the prior winners, although not as focused as Jenna. Tina is one you will see that defends her position in survivor history and dismisses this game as a true measure of "survivor"- TC comments support this. Jenna and Jerri seem to persuade at least one other to vote off Tina We were shown them trying to persuade Rupert, who did vote with them. Whether they persuaded Rudy or Rupert told him who to vote for doesn't matter - statement holds up. Snarky, smart, S7 Anti-Bootee Champ   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-02-04, 02:31 PM (EST) 63. "RE: Episode 1 Post-Mortem" Nice summary, Bebo. Also important to keep in mind that sleek never claimed knowlegde of the episodes in final, edited form. He seems to imply that he saw a good deal of confessional footage so some of the stuff he mentions might not be seen by us.   Top

kykate 45 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-06-04, 02:51 PM (EST) 92. "RE: Episode 1 Post-Mortem" "We were shown them trying to persuade Rupert, who did vote with them. Whether they persuaded Rudy or Rupert told him who to vote for doesn't matter - statement holds up." I don't believe this is quite correct. Rupert did not vote with them againt Rudy - he voted Ethan. The 2 votes against Ethan were Rudy and Rupert; the 3 votes against Rudy were the girls and Ethan.   Top

okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-06-04, 03:04 PM (EST) 94. "RE: Episode 1 Post-Mortem" Check the quotes, kykate. The poster was talking about the first episode and the vote-off of Tina which Sleek28 predicted...   Top

LozengeofLove 1060 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 01-27-04, 11:39 PM (EST) 24. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" LAST EDITED ON 01-27-04 AT 11:51 PM (EST) He claims Sue leaves because Shii and Lex lead to her demise. So that makes one tribe with Shii Ann, Lex and Sue on it. Rich leaves and he and Kathy have a fight, so they must be on a tribe together, right? Colby leaves because Jenna L. turns her back on the alliance of Colby, Lex, Shii Ann, Rupert and Kathy. So the six of them have to be on a tribe together. Add Rich and Sue to that mix, and we discover the "swapped" tribes leave a tribe of 8 vs. a tribe of 6 -- Lex, Shii Ann, Sue, Kathy, Rupert, Colby, Rich, and Jenna L. vs. Tom, Rob M., Amber, Ethan, Jerri and Alicia. It doesn't make sense.   Top

Brad Lascelle 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 01-28-04, 04:20 AM (EST) 25. "Switch Tribe Breakdown That Works" Thought I'd repost my views from SSucks over here for kicks... I'll second the argument that if someone was really out to ruin Survivor (and/or the spoiling community as well), the right idea would be to follow Chill1's lead by going after the mainstream media. Spilling your guts in here is pretty moot... we've already been flooded by all the leaks in CBS' plumbing. Thought I'd whip together a switch tribe breakdown scenario that seems to fall in line with sleek's intel. Prior efforts to poke holes into it throughout this thread haven't jived with me given how the tribes all merge together with Colby's departure and we've seen countless instances of old alliances being 'temporarily inconvenienced' by switch scenarios only to re-establish themselves at the official merge (Africa and Amazon being the best examples). TRIBE 1 Alicia {C} Amber {C} Colby {M} Ethan {S} Kathy {M} Richard {M} Rupert {S} TRIBE 2 Jenna L. {S} Jerri {S} Lex {M} Rob M. {C} Shii Ann {M} Susan {C} Tom {C} EP5 - Weaker Tribe 2 loses first challenge after the switch. Chapera has the numbers/strength advantage. Shii Ann is protected by Lex. Lex/Tom restore old alliance ties. Jerri gets deemed the weakest link of the 2 Sabogas and tossed. EP6 - Lex/Shii Ann broker deal with Jenna L. to ensure they don't get swallowed up by the Chapera blockade if they keep losing challenges. Lex works old alliance with Tom to pull Robfather in and avoid tiebreaker. Susan gets snuffed despite 'thinking she's in a position of power'. EP7 - Ethan flames out. Can't trust Rupert or Rich. Lex/Tom on opposing tribe. EP8 - Rich & Kathy have their blowout. Rupert's there to ensure Rich goes down as a 'pathetic shell'. EP9 = Merge ... Jenna's 'new alliance' would be with Lex/Shii Ann (who used her vote to save their own skin) who reunite with Kathy/Colby The Loner and her former Saboga-mate Rupert. Lex's gut may tell him that Tom's on board with him as well, but that isn't necessarily the case. Jenna bolts to Alicia/Amber and Chapera to have young females to hang with now that Jerri's gone and Colby gets outgunned. (Yeah, I realize Chapera+Jenna L. would only make it 5-5... maybe Tom brings in Lex temporarily to toss the Colby immunity threat and avoid a tie. Thus setting Lex up for his surprise downfall in the next episode.) Lex, Kathy and the double-crossing Shii Ann follow. Rupert wins a bunch of immunities and Alicia gets taken down with her new buddy Jenna L. after Rob M./Amber work their eventual F2 powerplay. This is just spec work based on sleek's intel, but I don't see how his boot description theories are 'sketchy' based on post-switch tribe breakdowns 'cause the above suggestion makes plenty of sense to me. I welcome people to poke holes in it, though. == Brad Lascelle <blascelle@gto.net>   Top

LozengeofLove 1060 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 01-28-04, 08:40 AM (EST) 26. "RE: Switch Tribe Breakdown That Works" I think you're right. i was assuming the Merge was in Episode 10, because 'merge time' was written after the Episode 9 synopsis. However, thinking about it all, you're probably right. i guess I was just hoping this guy didn't turn out to be legit.   Top

speedyforme 228 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 01-28-04, 08:43 AM (EST) 27. "RE: Switch Tribe Breakdown That Works" oh god i pray that this doesnt happen... my dream would be that Amber gets voted out first....PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!   Top

idiotcowboy 1135 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 01-28-04, 11:12 AM (EST) 28. "Unclecameraman is back" Unclecameraman sounded pretty reasonable too before the episodes were aired. Especially since they picked 4-5 boots in a row correctly (including the suprise Jerri boot), and despite the fact the descritions that went along with the boot order were flat out wrong, people believed and made "reasonable" excuses for the discrepancy (after all the boot order was correct!). Personally it has that well written based on "known" early spoilers speculation to me, which doesnt say it's wrong (the early intel was pretty good) just that it is probably written by some adolesent that doesnt have enough self-esteem to admit its just his/her speculation so they feel the need to make up an ellaborate lie to justify it. The main thing that bothers me about it is this. If someone was close enough to the process to make the kinds of observations they say, WHY would they post it on a spoiler message board? What possible reason would they have in jepordizing themselves to a lawsuit or loosing their job? If they were a disgruntaled employee for some reason wouldnt it be better to leak it to the main stream press or ChillOne for that matter? Seriously if this is based on inside info its nothing more than a loose-loose proposition for the person, and if its speculation (even great speculation) the way it was presented means its not much better. -ICB   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-28-04, 12:13 PM (EST) 32. "RE: Unclecameraman is back" LAST EDITED ON 01-28-04 AT 12:14 PM (EST) Well, the thread is still open on Sucks, as KB noted above, and Griffe and others have been pummeling Sleek with questions. He's been trying to drop hints as to who he is and Wezzie seems to have figured it out. Anyway, I thought all the comments about the editing were strange, as Dabo observed above, but Sleek28 wrote this by way of explanation: Two people do not quit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Overall the cast is a big group of babies- Two people do not quit- Jeff does ask two players during the game (other than Jenna of course) if they are ready to quit- Ethan IS one of them- Ethan talks about quitting in his confessionals- Anyone that knows survivor knows that editing is a rolling thing and tons of footage needs to be edited first- what makes it in the show is not finalized all the way through- a more behind the scenes approach- ------------------------------------------------- From this and his other posts it appears that Ethan would be the second quitter that Jeff Varner was referring to; but he doesn't quit like Jenna, he ultimately gets voted out.   Top

idiotcowboy 1135 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 01-28-04, 01:41 PM (EST) 33. "RE: Unclecameraman is back" oh joy... -ICB leaks SUCK   Top

Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 01-28-04, 02:22 PM (EST) 34. "Boot List Comparisons" From the Sleek28 Thread at SSucks: MarinaSiena MESS member Posts: 903 (1/27/04 8:10 pm) Reply ezSupporter Re: Interesting ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Okay, just for the hell of it since I'm sitting here this Tuesday nite twiddling my thumbs... SLEEK-----SNEWS-----CHILLONE Tina------- Rudy------- JennaM----- RobC------- Jerri-------- Sue-------- Ethan------ Rich-------- Colby------ Lex--------Lex Kathy------Kathy Shii-------Alica--------Alica Alica-------Shii--------Shii JennaL-----Tom--------Tom Rupert------Rupert-----Rupert Tom--------JennaL-----JennaL Amber------Amber------RobM RobM-------RobM------Amber Yeah, I know, Snews isn't set in stone And as Griffe points out, non-jury is in alphabetical order so N/A...(yep!) Just for quick comparison because I know it's gonna come up. Edited to remove non-jury Snews picks... ----------------------------------------------------------------- The curious thing is how close these lists are. They either all have a source or they are all the product of shared information and speculation... Snewser has said his list is just a best guess, Chillone's is from "the man", and Sleek28 is a disgruntled employee who was their...but Snewsers list was first? Snewser post at SS in the ChillOne Thread... ------------------------------------------------------- Snewser Registered User Posts: 480 (1/21/04 12:25 pm) Reply ezSupporter Re: Griffe rules -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You need my avatar, Orange. Actually I was surprised as anyone to see CO's F7 order match the scorecard. That really was best educated guess, and didn't come from the same sources, according to his descriptions. Info for that part of the game almost always turns out to be wrong. It would truly be a first if it turns out to be right. I drew up the list of F9 on the scorecard based on a completely different avenue, and I've changed it once already. In fact, it's kind of bizarre and would make you laugh. I don't think the people CO spoke to could have arrived at the same conclusion the same way. In fact the meshing of conclusions is all very freaky to me now. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Sure sounds like Snewser's list is unsourced...so shouldn't that cause us to question the amazing similarities of the three boot lists?? Krautboy   Top

idiotcowboy 1135 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 01-28-04, 03:01 PM (EST) 35. "RE: Boot List Comparisons" KB, I agree the list are all too damn close. The disgruntaled employee thing bugs me too. I have a hard time believing someone would risk the lawsuit they would get to post an almost anonymous boot list on a Survivor spoiler board... I mean WHAT is the POINT?!?! If you wanted to spoil the show why not "prove" your credentials to someone like Snewser or C1 (who obviously is not as discriminating in his source choices) and let them take any heat that might show up... you get your "revenge" and its less likely to be traced back to you! Someone wanting credit for it is just asking for trouble IMO. Personally Im starting to lean towards the old EPM misdirection, or may thats hoping -ICB   Top

shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 01-28-04, 03:30 PM (EST) 36. "Please lock this thresd already!" ...here we go again. It's so obvious that this is total Boolsh!t. First of all, lets look at the disgruntled CBS employee angle. There is no doubt that MB employs a large crew when filming survivor. But, that is the on-location crew. The crew gets much smaller in post production. There are very few people that actually have access to the editing decisions once the show is done filming. For instance, on Love Cruise, there were a grand total of 3 editors, plus a couple of post production producers. Granted, LC is a much smaller in scale show than Survivor, but I don't see how that number could be more than 10-20 for Survivor. You have MB, a handful of producers, story editors, film editors, music editors and that's about it. The reason I bring this up is because in order for Sleek to be correct he would havde to be in this limited circle of post-production people. And if that was the case then he would be one of a small group. Therefore, since there would only be 10-20 people with this info it wouldn't be too hard for MB to figure out who the leak is. And that would lead to a huge lawsuit, plus a total blackballing in the industry. NO WAY someone would risk that to post his info on a spoiler board that has essentially NO IMPACT on mainstream opinion. Total BS! Not to mention the obvious facts that the shows are not edited that far in advance so there is no way he would know what confessionals are used later on in the show. Also, this post is guilty of one of the many "tells" of a liar....the writer supplies way too much factual information than is necessary. Bleu people, feel free to lock this soon, before the newbies start to proclaim the greatness of this info. I'm having S2 deja vu   Top

lovetowatch 123 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 01-28-04, 05:53 PM (EST) 38. "RE: Please lock this thresd already!" Is it actually a spoiler if the "spoiler" is a post production crew member? IMHO a spoiler is vidcap evidence and the like. This board is the best for real spoiler information. This SLEEK guy picked the Sucks board because they thrive on that kind of stuff. Look how long his thread has become. Just my .2   Top

TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 01-28-04, 11:10 PM (EST) 41. "shakes is right" Shakes is right. The people with real info this detailed will not share it, for it will unmask them and ruin their careers. Please, let's not spend any more time inventing scenarios that make this work, because it fails to pass the first test of credibility. This is complete fabrication. Either: a) Someone wants to be talked about for a week or two, and so they run to Sucks, which latches on to any and all lame-ass theories. b) ChillOne is posting as Sleek to make himself look credible, which he is not. c) Someone (EPMB) is having a laugh at Sucks expense. d) All of the above. These reality show contestants need a reality check!   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 01-28-04, 05:48 PM (EST) 37. "RE: Boot List Comparisons" Put me down on the list of people who don't think this poster is a disgruntled former/current employee. It's far more likely that the poster is getting his/her information from someone close to the production who's giving it up for whatever reason (anger, ego, blackmail). Or they're full of BS. -BbB   Top

Brad Lascelle 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 01-28-04, 06:37 PM (EST) 39. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" LAST EDITED ON 01-28-04 AT 06:40 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 01-28-04 AT 06:39 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 01-28-04 AT 06:38 PM (EST) There are a couple compelling elements at work here. Is sleek a CBS plant? Well, yeah, he most definitely could be part of their misinformation task force... but then logically he would have reached a different Final Two than all of the other spoilers who have 'sourced' intel. CBS leaks legit detailed episode events to hook people and make them discount the sourced leaks, tosses them a bone and then wham, the spoilers get hosed for falling for a Lex-Shii Ann Final 2 (as an example). A plant that reaches the same conclusion as the sourced intel doesn't serve much purpose... unless the intel is wrong. Are Rob and Amber not F2-bound? Well, it's pretty unusual for a season to have so many independently sourced boot lists all match up with one another preseason. For them ALL not to be accurate would be pretty damned impressive. It either ensures we have a lot of spoiler pretenders out there all seeking glory who will fall on their faces or a concerted disinformation campaign on the part of CBS... either to snowjob all the spoilers or just by introducing 'Sleek The Plant' into the fold to support the incorrectly sourced intel. What if Sleek isn't a plant? This spoiler will be proved questionable pretty quick if some of the clues don't add up even if the bootlist remains accurate. There's just TOO much specific episode details. Once we hit Episode 6 territory when 'Sue thinks she is in a position of power, she is not however Lex and Shi Ann lead to her dismissal', we'll have a good read on whether Sleek is providing mere guesswork or concrete info. He references a LOT of stuff that can't simply be explained away by being edited out and left on the cutting room floor. Nor can Burnett exclude some of Sleek's details from the show edits without sacrificing critical elements of the storyline. If legit, at that point we'll know it's either the real deal or planted info supported by 'initial accurate details' before a 'gotcha' down the road. Is Sleek a disgruntled CBS employee? Has he been fired? Is he one of the team of 10-20 music/footage editors? Is he in casting? Or does he just KNOW one of these 10-20 people and has an inside connection? I don't buy the whole 'I want to ruin Survivor' mantra because he would be putting more of a concerted effort into sharing this intel with radio shock jocks, other online forums, the newswire, newspaper tabloids and other mass media outlets if he really wanted to rock the boat. Posting this intel in cynical Sucksland when the F2 is already known doesn't exactly destroy much. Maybe he's got legit intel via connections, feels he's being vague enough to remain untraceable (or for his contact to remain untraceable), and he's simply hopping on the whole 'praise me as your new god' bandwagon that online Survivor forums have largely deteriorated into since Survivor 'spilling' became the rule and not the exception after Snewser leaked Vecepia winning Marquesas in 2002. Plenty of folks out there get kicks out of adopting aliases and new personas and going online to fill a void of appreciation that they don't get elsewhere in their lives. Survivor fandom is hardly atypical as you'll see this trend in any fan community. Or maybe he's just following ChillOne's lead. Using largely borrowed intel from other spoilers and creating a fiction surrounding them to spice them up and garner attention. Ultimately, this is what all spoilers strive to achieve regardless of whether they're providing concrete facts or complete BS fabrication. If they get attention from folks online, they've accomplished their goal. Right now, Sleek is getting plenty of attention... whether he's right on the money or simply spinning inventive fiction or a plant designed to do BOTH of those things will be determined in short order. == Brad Lascelle <blascelle@gto.net>   Top

Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 01-28-04, 07:15 PM (EST) 40. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" Brad, nice summary of the possible scenarios. You've laid it all out very nicely. Now we can all sit back and watch the first few episodes and then decide if we should view this as a complete list or not... I still can't get past the fact that Snewser posted a self proclaimed "best guess" bootlist first, after which ChillOne and Slick28 follow with almost identical lists. Snewser admitted that we would laugh at how he went about assembling the final nine, AFTER ChillOne came up with his matching list. Look back at last season's original Scorecard and compare it to the actual boot order...not even close. The odds are very high against Snewsers Scorecard and the actual boot order matching as closely as Slick28 makes it appear they will... Krautboy   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 01-29-04, 07:56 AM (EST) 42. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" I agree Krautboy - from the beginning everyone was speculating that Darrah was going to win and she didnt. I love this board but have a hard time believing this one "boot list"   Top

Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 01-29-04, 08:28 AM (EST) 43. "Latest update" These posts are excerpts from Sleek28's thread at sucks. Sleek promised to send a private E-mail to Griffe (a well respected poster there), explaining why he can't say any more than he already has. These are her posts after she received those e-mails... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Griffe Registered User Posts: 1899 (1/29/04 4:23 am) Reply ezSupporter Re: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roadfinder, why are you hostile towards Sleek? He posted only one boot list... he posted it twice but it was the same list. My suggestion to Sleek is to walk away from this. If he's telling the truth, it's not worth getting into trouble over. As to whether his information is accurate or not, my suggestion is to not give up on analysing Survivor episode by episode through vidcaps, storylines, etc. to determine boots. Nothing is ever 100% accurate. Never happened and probably never will. Idislikeeverything Registered User Posts: 422 (1/29/04 4:30 am) Reply Re: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Griffe... is there anything else you've been given permission to tell us? I just read 30 pages of build up. Now I want some pay-off! Griffe Registered User Posts: 1900 (1/29/04 4:43 am) Reply ezSupporter Re: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LOL...what kind of payoff are you looking for, Idislikeeverything? There isn't much I can add to what has already been posted. Sleek has pretty much posted everything he wants to say. All I can do is offer my opinion which is only worth anything to me...lol I don't think it's a hoax but nor do I think that the information and boot list is 100% correct. I wouldn't press him for anything more though because if he's telling the truth, then I don't want him getting into trouble. Spoiling Survivor is something we do for fun... getting someone into trouble because of it is way too serious. Edited by: Griffe at: 1/29/04 5:51 am ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looks like we will be referring back to Sleek's boot list all season...and comparing it to Snewser's scorecard, and ChillOne's list from "The Man". As I've said before...like it or not, "Spoiling the Spoilers" has become an integral part of spoiling Survivor. Krautboy   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-29-04, 10:49 AM (EST) 44. "RE: Latest update" my suggestion is to not give up on analysing Survivor episode by episode through vidcaps, storylines, etc. to determine boots. Exactly the point (but we knew that, I think ). No complete or partial list can be viewed as completely accurate, even if the "informant" has the best intentions and what he/she thinks is solid info. It's still business as usual for us, week by week.   Top

crayZoZ 29 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 01-29-04, 05:03 PM (EST) 45. "Sleek28's Stuff - A couple of thoughts" LAST EDITED ON 01-29-04 AT 05:10 PM (EST) I held my breath when I first read Sleek28's stuff - It got me - I was thinking Sh*t I know the whole freaking story and it hasn't even started on the Teev. Whats in a name - "sleek28" could stand for "Survivor leak to hate". I wonder what VerucaSalt comments on this would be. Does this have any connection to the details sleek has provided. Another thought is that the information appears to come only from someone having access to the confessional time. This would need to include the final confessional comments after each contestant is eliminated and also the one liners that are said when they show who voted for who. It seems that there is no detail on RC or IC winners or episode story lines. If sleek had access to all the confessionals he/she would be able to provide all the details released to date, but would not know if parts would be included/edited into a specific episode. Much like Jeff Varner the conclusions are known but not the detail of what will be edited in, I think Jeff has said - look if CBS don't include it I will spill the beans later. In my view the editing process as indicated by Shakes will not be finalised till just before viewing release. If sleek is a CBS plant for misinformation purposes wouldnt the details released cover a broader range of area's i.e. RC story ars etc Seems to me that sleek28's stuff is probably legit - or perhaps not - Boy I confuse myself somtimes Cheers CrayZoZ   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-29-04, 05:29 PM (EST) 46. "Fuhgeddaboudit..." Here's the very latest from Griffe, who was trying to pin down Sleek28's credentials: Griffe Registered User Posts: 1903 (1/29/04 2:00 pm) Reply ezSupporter Re: Sleek -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Back. That email last from Sleek came in really late my time. I should have waited until the morning to comment on it since I was very tired...lol Anyway, re-reading his email and trying to find anything in it that can prove one way or the other that Sleek is telling the truth is next to impossible. Nothing in the email can be verified so for all I know this can be one big elaborate hoax. I did ask Sleek one last question last night that could have at least given me some idea if it was possible he was telling the truth about what he did for Survivor and I didn't get a reply. So Q was right in that Sleek avoids and ignores specific questions. So about his boot list... if something looks too good to be true then it usually is. I highly doubt the boots will turn out to be exactly how Sleek layed them out. So I say we ignore this whole thing. If it turns out to be true, then as Q says, we can come back to this thread and say "well fancy that". ---------------------------------------- There you have it. If any of Sleek28's info pans out, chalk it up to a happy coincidence. It's already showing some cracks: Rob Cesternino- Rob is well liked by his tribemates- believe it or not this tribe really is the love tribe- they all are very respectful of each other- i thought there would be more friction early on in this tribe and it turned out to be just the opposite- Compare with the Daily News reporter, who saw half of Episode 1: A second team, Chapera, doesn't have any former winners, but does have a lot of whiners: Susan Hawk, Alicia Calaway and Rob Mariano. and Alicia breaks a land speed record rubbing teammates the wrong way. One kind of contradicts the other, no?   Top

Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 01-29-04, 05:34 PM (EST) 47. "RE: Sleek28's Stuff - A couple of thoughts" LAST EDITED ON 01-29-04 AT 05:44 PM (EST) Crayzoz: Great observations! Based on your observations, we might conclude that Sleek28 is one of the people involved in the editing of the confessionals. Perhaps MB has got the various editors compartmentalized so as to limit the number of people that know the whole story and plotline. The confessional editor theory would also explain why Sleek can't tell us the vote tally...he may not have access to TC footage, but he would be able to surmise who gets voted out by the absence of confessionals for a contestant the following week. Sleek has mentioned that something will hit the media in about three weeks, we'll have to wait and see if that sheds more light on who this is and how much he knows... Krautboy   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-29-04, 06:17 PM (EST) 48. "RE: Sleek28's Stuff - A couple of thoughts" LAST EDITED ON 01-29-04 AT 06:20 PM (EST) Dammit, KB, just when I'm ready to junk this, you and Crayzoz suck me back in! I reread the whole post and Crayzoz is right, almost all of it sounds descriptive of confessional info, with a few exceptions. Okay. That's certainly an original way to write a hoax. What do you make of all this, though? A couple pre show things: Brian was asked to be on Survivor Allstars and gave no response through his agent- yes Brian had made it clear that any communication from survivor to him would only be through his agent- my opinion is that he was the only winner smart enough to realize he was in a no win situation- for that i will say while i think he is an ass, he realized that by not doing the show, he maintained his pride- there is no way that anyone can look back on all-star and say that the truly best survivor would win- Mark Burnett knows that and had to twist arms to get several to do this, including: Tina, Ethan, Richard, Colby, and to a degree Sue Hawk- the rest were eager in their willingness to do the show-Mark realized that the show could not be pulled off w/o at least some of the former players that were successful- Looking back every single previous winner is going to wish they took the route that Brian did- even i could have predicted that this would be bad news- A couple other things that i am assuming that you might not know- Mike and Rodger were both slated to be on allstars- Originally Rudy was hesitant- Rodger had his spot- Mike had the spot that was given to Rupert- While Coleen and Lis were approached, it was well known that there was no chance they would do the show- Many former survivors were asked if they wanted to do the show and many of those took that to mean that they were being extended an invitation- one perfect example of that is Heidi- feelers were sent out to her, but she was not asked- anyway i could go on and on about casting but you might not even care about that- if you have any ?'s on that then let me know- since i have rambled and not talked about the game i will go ahead and do another thread RIGHT NOW on the game itself- i could write books on this but ill try to keep it brief The one thing i can absolutely swear to -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The one thing i can absolutely swear to is that Brian WAS asked to participate- Yes he is not liked, BUT he was a winner that people would want to see- Mark did less arm twisting, but keep in mind that they were having a VERY hard time getting the better players to agree to do this show- Brian was the only winner asked that ended up not participating- Tina was the last that agreed to do the show, Brian was a NO from day one and Mark did not push it Why would a confessional editor (or any kind of editor) know all of this detail? The casting process is entirely unrelated to production. He also wrote: I had heard of this website, some from previous survivor contestants and some talk from Mark himself- Several times in these posts he implies he knows MB. Maybe this really is disinformation? kind of wants this to go away now...   Top

Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 01-29-04, 06:56 PM (EST) 49. "RE: Sleek28's Stuff - A couple of thoughts" > >Why would a confessional editor (or >any kind of editor) know >all of this detail? >The casting process is entirely >unrelated to production. He >also wrote: I don't know much about what goes on behind the scenes, but I would imagine that before the filming and editing starts, there would be planning sessions and meetings. Wouldn't MB sit doen with his team of editors and discuss the contestants being considered? It seems MB would be foolish not to get input from the editors who see all the raw footage and know which contestants being considered provide the best opportunities for good quality sound bites... Krautboy   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-29-04, 07:05 PM (EST) 51. "RE: Sleek28's Stuff - A couple of thoughts" LAST EDITED ON 01-29-04 AT 07:07 PM (EST) Ehhh...I don't think I buy that. MB had a pretty clear idea of who he wanted to cast, I don't think he'd need to consult with editors before making phone calls. So maybe it's someone who works in one area who has close ties to someone working in the other area? Griffe says Sleek28 finally answered her last question, so I guess we'll have to stay tuned...ETA: and there she is right now! Thanks for the update, Griffe. Heading home now. Later!   Top

forestforest 28 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-12-04, 11:58 PM (EST) 150. "IS MARK BURNETT A FOOL?" Krautboy suggests that it would be foolish for Mark Burnett to pass up an opportunity to consult with his editors concerning which contestants give good good sound bite. I'm pretty blown away that Krautboy has so much faith in MB's essential humanity. MB does not doubt or need consultations. He's a self-proclaimed genius who loves to toot his own horn and make people uncomfortable. MB would take his own word on anything. So, I'd ixnay any pre-shoot consults with the folks in the editing bays. I'll also bet you $4,675.37 that Sleek is NOT a MB plant. I can't see MB handing out the assignment: "Sleek, my boy, I want you to go on the internet and put a cork in some of those online blabbermouths with too much time on their hands. Here's what I want you to type . . ." Burnett wouldn't stoop to conquer. And, even if he did, he'd use a less-bumbling tool than Sleek. So who is Sleek? No doubt he/she'll bide his/her time and tell us a bedtime story when good and ready. NOTHING that Sleek has done has the pizz-azz of a Mark Burnett Production. Sleek's production values are very low. I wonder how "pizz-azz" is really spelled. FF   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-13-04, 00:15 AM (EST) 151. "RE: IS MARK BURNETT A FOOL?" pizzazz or pizazz n unknown origin (1937): the quality of being exiting or attractive: as a: glamour b: vitality according to Webster's Anyway, I think Krautboy is right, MB would use whatever expertise is at his disposal. I would, though, be surprised if this sleek person was one of those.   Top

Griffe 40 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 01-29-04, 07:04 PM (EST) 50. "RE: Sleek28's Stuff - A couple of thoughts" Hi, I updated a bit at Sucks but I'll post it here too. Sleek finally answered my question today. I was pleasantly surprised that it wasn't an answer that he got online otherwise his answer would have been different. The problem is that because of the type of information he has isn't something that can be verified without seeing the show, it's difficult to tell whether he's telling the truth or not. My gut feeling is that he is telling the truth. I still wouldn't take his boot list as gospel though but I suspect he's closer to it than ChillOne might be. For example, ChillOne says Ethan is the 2nd boot. I seriously doubt that CO is right on that one whereas Sleek has Rudy which is far more believable.   Top

idiotcowboy 1135 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 01-29-04, 09:29 PM (EST) 52. "Three Options" There are exactly three options here. #1. This guy is a LIAR. Taking whatever piece-meal information he might have gotten and concocted it into a story for his amusement and our expense. In which case he is not there to help the people interested in spoiling the show, in fact he is there only to mock and laugh his ass off at us. #2 This guy is telling the complete and total truth. In which case he is the biggest DUMBASS that EPM ever hired. He will in all likelihood get himself sued for more money than he will ever be worth and run out of the industry to the point he will never ever work in it again AND in the wild event that he does not get caught? He will likey cost not only himself a job, but the entire group of people he works a job as well, as Mark Burnett does strike me as a man who would tolerate a snake in his organization. So for his amusement he will have ruined not only his own livelihood but potentially others too, making him not only a DUMBASS but an WHOLEASS as well. #3 He is part of the DISINFORMATION campaign. Planted by EPM to leak certain select information, some of which will be correct, and some complete fabrication for the direct purpose of misleading us. I suppose we should be honored if this is it, but the bigger honor would be exposing it! Meaning of course he is either a LIAR, a DUMBASS, or a PLANT, and while I dont discount what he said I will never respect his method or his motive. -ICB not a fan of Uncle Cameraman either...   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-29-04, 09:41 PM (EST) 53. "Agree" I just cannot fathom any reason why anyone in a position to know these things would reveal that knowledge in this fashion, not even for revenge.   Top

okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 01-29-04, 10:16 PM (EST) 56. "RE: Three Options" If it's number three, then somebody has gone to a lot of effort to put out disinformation that can't stand up to more than 3 or 4 episodes without falling apart. Let's say the first three...no let's make that four so that we get past JennaM...boots are right on the money with Sleek's list. And all of the details he has put out match up. Who's not going to believe that Jerri isn't the 5th one out? But as soon as there's a miss, Sleek's creds are pretty much gone. And all that lovely storyline is just that...so much fiction. I don't know. I think it's gonna be fun to find out, though!   Top

crayZoZ 29 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 01-29-04, 10:03 PM (EST) 54. "RE: Sleek28's Stuff - A couple of thoughts" The details about casting seem to be said secondhand to me they are presented as if someone told someone who overheard something. I would not be suprised if the crew involved were not all given an overview of who was wanted by MB and the part he wanted them to play - each team is constructed with at least one eye candy male and female,an older male and female,a nerdie person ( I dont know if thats a word so eg skinny ryan/jon fairplay type ) and a out there person ( eg Rich, Alicia Shi-ann) It looks like Sleek28 info comes directly from some one involved in the editing - KB idea that the editors may be compartmentalised seems good to me. Some info would still pass from group to group through the tea room etc Sleeks comment in the last paragragh about he absolutely knows for fact that Brian blah blah blah..... Gives the impression that the other details above might only be at a gossip level. I'd guess Sleek is a partner of an editor who socialises with others in the production crew. The conviction of the statements fron the boot list is completely different from the casting stuff The comment that he could write a whole book on the subject I also thought interesting. Cheers crayZoZ   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-29-04, 10:15 PM (EST) 55. "RE: Sleek28's Stuff - A couple of thoughts" LAST EDITED ON 01-29-04 AT 10:19 PM (EST) Okay, option #4, disgruntled ex of in-the-know editor who talks too much in his/her sleep. Option #5, private investigator hired by disgruntled ex of in-the-know editor ... This is fun! crayZ, you deserve congrats for actually coming up with something credible to make sense of all of this. Not that I'm convinced, I'm not, but that is credible.   Top

Brad Lascelle 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 01-30-04, 00:21 AM (EST) 57. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" (I posted the following observations in another forum to counter the popular theory that Sleek's boot order is obviously wrong due to Richard getting tossed 8th. I wanted to play Devil's Advocate, so here's what I came up with.) The prevailing logic behind Hatch getting ousted before Jerri is the infamous Patagonia spoiler... which, ironically enough... didn't actually place Rich in the immediate company of Sleek's 1st, 2nd and 4th boots (Tina, Rudy and Rob C.). It was Snewser that pegged Rich in Patagonia with the other pre-merge boots with the other early boots trekking off to Mexico City. It's being presumed right now that both groups were shipped out of Panama in sequence. Thus, if Rich did indeed head to South America and not Panama... he MUST be booted 5th and not 8th. But no spoiler has outright said it must be so. It's just a common presumption. It's quite possible that Tina, Rudy and Rob ventured off to South America on their own and Rich headed down to meet up with them instead of sticking around Panama for an eventual trip to Mexico City with Jerri, Ethan (who, according to Sleek', behaved like a royal ass and may have been booted courtesy of Rich), Sue and Colby. I know that if I was Rich and given the company and locale, I'd prefer the Patagonia trip. It's not like CBS couldn't afford to fly him out on his own. They did whisk Jenna to the States and back (albeit under tragic circumstances), after all. Maybe the original intention was to have the first 4 ejections from the game head to Patagonia and the second group of 5 head to Mexico City and Jenna's departure threw a curve in the scheduling. Or maybe both groups were shipped out of Panama at the same time and the fact that consecutive boots Tina-Ruby-Rob C. decided to travel together is simply due to having spent the most time together in Loser Lodge... and NOT because their group left before the Mexico group. It's just coincidence and Rich chooses to tag along. Finally, if Sleek is indeed getting much of his intel from confessional footage and/or a contact in editing, botching the order of a Rich-Kathy blowup NINE days early is hard to fathom. You're talking about significant facial hair growth. Not to mention the absence of confessionals from Jerri, Sue and Ethan... one of whom (most likely Ethan but possibly also Jerri) would be on Rich's reshuffled tribe and would likely comment on the incident and/or be involved in voting Hatch out of the game. If Sleek's legit and not a plant or a kid with a clever imagination, I find it terribly unlikely that he'd 'miss calling the Rich boot' by a 9-day margin. Just doesn't seem likely unless he's getting third-hand information. Just my two cents. == Brad Lascelle (blascelle@gto.net)   Top

CaptainP 55 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 01-30-04, 10:49 AM (EST) 58. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" LAST EDITED ON 01-30-04 AT 03:15 PM (EST) Hehe. I'm a Rich fan, and I'm kinda hoping that Sleek's Boot Order is correct. I find it funny that the guy with the biggest target on his back would somehow make it to just before the final merge. Sleek even says that his tribe's two biggest targets if Mogo Mogo was to go to TC were Jenna and Colby, indicating that Rich somehow formed some sort of alliance there w/ Kathy, Lex, and Shi Ann. It seems that the disolution of his alliance would also lead to his ouster with the blow-up between himself and Kathy. Like all of you, I'm kind of taking this list with some caution. It does seem like it could be misleading information given the fact that just about EVERYBODY has the same kind of boot order, even JV. At the same time though, little clues are kind of indicating that it could be correct in some way, hence all of the Amber mentioning before the show to hype up her role. Well, we knew going in to this that some of our favorites would be gone early. Still, the show should make for some very interesting tv!   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 01-31-04, 05:38 PM (EST) 59. "The latest from sleek28" sleek28 had returned for another post and run. In the lastest he addresses motive and how he arrived at the boot list. sleek28 Registered User Posts: 16 (1/31/04 3:00 am) Reply Quick message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- .....One thing i want to make absolutely clear- I CANNOT GET INTO A MOTIVE OF WHY I DID WHAT I DID- I THINK YOU WILL ALL UNDERSTAND IN 3-4 WEEKS FROM NOW - It also kills me to not be able to talk about intimate details of the show- i think that most of you can read between the lines on the facts surrounding my situation I will say that there are issues with several contestants as well as MANY involved with the show- who knows what could happen- Griffe understands the issues surrounding this and when it is all said and done she should feel free to use discretion with that information I am writing this wanting to answer 100's of questions, talk about the survivor family, behind the scenes, etc, but i just can't do it- one day i will I can also feel safe in saying that no one, including Mark, knows the complete story from minute to minute- even crew, production, editing, can speak of maybe 10% of being on scene or viewing- it takes alot of work and effort to bring the team together to tell the ultimate story- literally 24 hours a day- I could go on about this, but i will say that while i feel comfortable with my knowledge on what took place, some of it does come second hand- deductive reasoning around facts are what puts me at ease with the vote-off order- to answer the big question- YES, there is alot of second hand information that goes into what my analysis says, but the end results are what i feel certain about- I realize it is irritating as hell to try and see exactly what i am saying, but it will eventually make sense- maybe Griffe can word it better for me.... griffe mentioned she will be looking for notice of legal filings following the 3 to 4 week period mentioned by sleek, just around the time of E3 or E4. If sleek is legit, here's where we get the answer to motive. Hmmm, issues with several contestants and others invloved with the show? Could that be any more vague? He also mentions that some of his intel comes second-hand, implying most is first-hand, and the remainder is deductive reasoning. At this point, I really could care less if the list is legit. I do want to know if sleek28 is, though. Honestly, I'm such a sucker for this stuff that I couldn't ignore this guy now if I tried.   Top

kelli_blue 301 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 01-31-04, 06:15 PM (EST) 60. "RE: The latest from sleek28" Thanks for the scoop! I've tried not to read any spoilers until ASS was getting closer to airing, and am now excited to see if any of this really happens of not!!   Top

Get Bent 293 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 02-02-04, 03:07 PM (EST) 64. "Tina's CBS Web Chat" I am currently in the CBS Web chat. Nothing too interesting yet, but Tina just answered a question that confirms the spoiler info of seeing Tina, Rudy and Rob C. (I believe it was those three) on vacation. She answered a question: "We are actually sent to travel for the remaining time and that in itself can be a great adventure." And that sighting goes along with Sleek's list. Or am I messing things up?   Top

okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-02-04, 03:16 PM (EST) 65. "RE: Tina's CBS Web Chat" She actually mentioned names? Or confirmed names?   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 02-02-04, 03:20 PM (EST) 66. "RE: Tina's CBS Web Chat" I thought the "Patagonia" spoiler didn't have a fixed date attached to it and what I've read indicated they were spotted after filming would have wrapped up. It would be great if she would indicate where she went and how soon after being booted she went there (could eliminate Ghost Tribe possibilities, though we all know that's not going to happen again). -BbB   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-02-04, 07:12 PM (EST) 67. "RE: Tina's CBS Web Chat" The Patagonia3 were spotted by a co-worker of colleenlover the week that filming wrapped. colleenlover posted her spoiler on Monday, December 15, the day her co-worker returned to work.   Top

JLude 12 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 02-05-04, 00:17 AM (EST) 68. "Janitor!" I figured it out! sleek28 is a janitor at the studio. He/she hears all kinds of info from different peeps. How's that sound? ;)   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-05-04, 06:51 AM (EST) 69. "RE: Janitor!" LAST EDITED ON 02-05-04 AT 06:51 AM (EST) yep that's gotta be it glad this one got solved this is a swoop   Top

shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 02-05-04, 10:30 PM (EST) 71. "can we please lock this NOW!" Rudy-- This tribe does not start off well, and that is obvious- Rudy has lost a few steps since survivor one, Rupert does lie to Rudy- whether or not the final editing shows this or not remaiins to be seen- i just laugh because Rupert is seen as a hero but he is just as bad as those he Criticized in PI- Rudy thinks he is Ok but easily is the second boot- Rupert justifies the boot afterward (as usual) ...thanks for playing Unkle, but the gig is up. There is no way the "info" about Rupert screwing over Rudy can be justified/rationalized or blamed on selective editing. Simply put, this "spoiler" has been proven a fake 100% tonight and anyone dumb enough to even think of defending it from now on will be flamed relentlessly.   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-05-04, 10:36 PM (EST) 72. "RE: can we please lock this NOW!" So, sleek heads off to the red herring boneyard. R.I.P. sleek 28.   Top

okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-05-04, 11:04 PM (EST) 73. "RE: can we please lock this NOW!" Unless, of course the next 16 Sleek picks are correct. But if they are, feel free to flame anyway, and chalk it up to coincidence...   Top

Brad Lascelle 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-05-04, 11:17 PM (EST) 74. "RE: can we please lock this NOW!" Sleek's response to Shakes & The 'Sucks Cynics (try saying that 5 times fast)... (courtesy of the Survivor Sucks forums) "You have got to be kidding me??" What i have said is not true? i have lied? All of you that are now trying to say that i am not for real are just plain wrong. At first Q called me some very abusive names that i overlooked- i am not going to take that kind of abuse anymore- Let me make it clear- i have said all i need to say, and i said it to griffe- that is all i can talk about- I am not a cameraman. I do not know who won the rewards, or many other things that some of you seem to think would legitimize what i am saying I have honnestly been responsible for 2%-5% of any actual footage- For you to say it is not easy to fill in the blanks, then you do not know my capacity with Survivor Here is what i find the biggest joke of all. I told all of you that i have had NO exposure ahead of time to these boards. Let's just say for the sake of argument that i am lying to all of you and i am some random person posting a dream message- Like i told all you before- i spent a ton of time on all of these sites AFTER my original post, but once again for the sake of argument lets just say i did a ton of research before my post: After my message i found only 2 "spoilers" that came even close to anything that i said: One was the horseback post involving Tina, Rob C, and Rudy- The other was Chill's bootlist which had Ethan First and then a correction to Tina first and Ethan second- wait a minute, then a correction to Rudy being second- Changes like this and you are questioning what I AM SAYING??? Give me a break There is a huge difference between Ethan going 7th like i say or Ethan going first or second like chill says- i do not know chill, but i will soon find out who this is- i have a hard time believing some broken english speaking worker keeps contact with Chill as he "remembers" things- I am not saying chill is lying, just please don't put our info in the same context Just because i am truly non-stop thinking and irritated i will play your game and show how those that are speaking out against me are really going out of their way to take my truths and spin them into their "lies" Here is what i said about Tina (keeping in mind that i do not see actual game footage, challenges, or tribal councils- while i did work on the most important part of the game, truly knowing what is going on): ((Tina: Tina did not want to do this show- the media says different, but she was very hesitant and did not seem to be very positive from the beginning- She is the first booted player and while i cannot tell you the vote count (Q knows why) she seems to feel doomed from the start- The tribe does get along well, and even Jerri is kind (at the beginning) In confessionals Jerri does talk about seeing the ouster of Tina and Colby as her main priority- Tina is one you will see that defends her position in survivor history and dismisses this game as a true measure of "survivor"- Jenna and Jerri seem to persuade at least one other to vote off Tina)) Anyone with a brain can read the above post and see that if i did not have inside info that i could not have just predicted that out of thin air- use your freakin' brains!! 1000's of hours into each episode, including hundreds of confessional situations- Jerri DID talk about wanting to see the ouster of Tina and Colby- it was just not necessary to show it- I knew for sure, by hearing reaction of their votes, that Jerri and Jenna voted for Tina- i said clearly that they convinced AT LEAST ONE MORE PERSON to vote her out- i stated i did not know the final result, but i knew that AT LEAST one more person DID vote for her- So because it was two more that voted for her, i am lying?? give me break, you egomaniacs Now onto this episode's statements: ((Rudy-- This tribe does not start off well, and that is obvious- Rudy has lost a few steps since survivor one, Rupert does lie to Rudy- whether or not the final editing shows this or not remaiins to be seen- i just laugh because Rupert is seen as a hero but he is just as bad as those he Criticized in PI- Rudy thinks he is Ok but easily is the second boot- Rupert justifies the boot afterward (as usual))) NO ONE IN YOUR SURVIVOR COMMUNITY PREDICTED THAT RUDY WOULD BE VOTED OUT SECOND- 99% of you in your reactions said that i was crazy and would be disproven- So AFTER my prediction- Snewser (who you all know has his own source predicts Rudy TODAY)- IF I had never posted this original message, i have no doubt that Snewser would have made this prediction, but the fact is that i made this prediction, with explanation over two weeks ago- WHO ELSE PREDICTED THIS BEFORE ME?? now to break down what i said "This tribe does not start off well, and that is obvious- Rudy has lost a few steps since survivor one"--- I cant believe any of you are actually trying to say this is incorrect- finishing last of three in two immunity challenges is not starting off good, plain and simple- anyone arguing this is just not worth listening too "Rupert does lie to Rudy- whether or not the final editing shows this or not remaiins to be seen- i just laugh because Rupert is seen as a hero but he is just as bad as those he Criticized in PI-" Anyone behind the scenes on PI knows that Rupert did get the good edit- personally i like him, BUT why do you all think that the entire cast of PI felt Rupert was a hypocrite? he was mad at Jon for voting for him, but Rupert turned around and instead of voting for Jon (who backstabbed him), he voted off Sean (who saved Rupert's ass the TC before)- If any other survivor had done this, they would have been persecuted by all of you....... RUPERT DID LIE TO RUDY, and this will come out- I never said i knew that Rupert VOTED for RUDY- i could not say that one way or another- If you see confessionals right before TC, many times you think that someone else is going- I will say this one time- IF Rupert had been broadsided i could understand your disbelief, BUT you saw the discussions Rupert was having about voting Rudy off- do you think Rudy as Ruperts true ally, ever heard about that from Rupert? HE DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING OF THE SORT from Rupert- Rudy flat our asked Rupert if there was a chance he was going to be voted out- Rupert told him no- Rupert also knew that there was a likelyhood that the girls were going to join Ethan in voting out Rudy- IF Rupert was a great ally, why would he not mention this discussion to Rudy- Look most of you are pretty smart- If you cannot see what really happened by viewing less than 1% of the actual footage shown, then don't blame me because i know more than you- Two weeks ago you called me crazy, seeing no way that this could happen- you see Rupert choosing not to tell Rudy any of the negative conversations he had with the others- Rupert knew however he voted, HE WAS NOT A SWING VOTE- he knew he was safe, so he chose not to stir the water and protect his friend- he let Jenna and Jerri lie to Rudy when he knew there was the possibility Rudy was leaving Many of you think that as the story goes on, my predictions are more believable- YET look back when i posted originally- you all thought that the story did not make sense- Now it is making sense, and you say i am getting lucky- For the record, i am more concerned about the attacks on my credibility than i am on what you think of my predictions- Don't look back afterward, when every word i have said is true, and dismiss it with your bullshit- i do not and have not seen any final edited episodes- there are 100's of one on one interactions, group interactions etc- most of them never make the light of day past the editing room- i tried to focus on the storylines that i thought would make it out, and so far i am batting 100%- i will continue to bat 100% Finally once and for all, for those of you with a brain (most of you do have one)- many of you have nailed my exact thoughts- some of you choose to spin my 100% proven truths and turn them into lies- I AM THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS PREDICTED THE BOOT ORDER, AND I AM THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS BEEN 100% RIGHT in every single thing i have said through 2 episodes- i will continue to be right, and in a few weeks, when the story breaks, you should all know my reasoning- Until then feel free to question chillone (for gods sakes he deserves it)- feel free to find out who snewser's source is (i really want to know that one), BUT please, be smart when you judge as the show goes along- put yourselves back almost 3 weeks ago, and think about how crazy you all thought my original post was- walk in my shoes and you will see that even through just two episodes, there is no way i could have made this up For the 75% of you that have used logic in your posts and supported my statements, i give a big shout out ---- Until next time Sleek28   Top

Brad Lascelle 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-05-04, 11:20 PM (EST) 75. "RE: can we please lock this NOW!" For the record, it's clear the guy's got his panties in a bunch and is just out for ego stroking and glory like most other spoilers and spillers. That being said, I feel it would be just as naive for someone to dismiss his information outright as it would be to swallow it whole. There's probably a lot of truth in here to sift out and the observant viewers will play along with sleek until it's clear his track record is faltering or a planted 'gotcha' is in the works. Simply turning a blind eye to something in the name of cynicism is folly. Many people did that with the Pearl Islands bidding spoiler and it burnt them in the end. == Brad Lascelle <blascelle@gto.net>   Top

shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 02-06-04, 12:54 PM (EST) 89. "yet another reason why its BS" ...if this was true then why would he feel the need to come back with this lengthly defense last night? It seems pretty obvious to me that if it was true the author would simply write a one sentence response akin to "I don't care if you don't believe me, you'll see in time who has the last laugh." Why go into a 5 page defense if you truly feel that you don't need to do any explaining? Its BS, plain and simple, no matter how accurate the boot list is. Call it a good guess or good speculation, but its no more a spoiler than Unklecameraman. And another thing, if this spoiler proves true I vow to never return to the spoiler boards again as a punishment for my negativity towards the "greatest spoiler in survivor history". That's called putting your money where your mouth is.   Top

GetMeOuttaHere 43 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-06-04, 05:52 PM (EST) 99. "RE: yet another reason why its BS" Why come back Shakes? One too many martinis?   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-06-04, 06:11 PM (EST) 100. "RE: yet another reason why its BS" Huh? Well if no one else is gonna do it, I may as well swoop my own thresd.   Top

GetMeOuttaHere 43 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-06-04, 06:15 PM (EST) 102. "RE: yet another reason why its BS" Er...I was actually replying to Shakes post? Huh?   Top

okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-07-04, 00:17 AM (EST) 113. "RE: yet another reason why its BS" Why, BR! You sneaky swooper, you!   Top

tribephyl 12393 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-06-04, 06:15 PM (EST) 101. "RE: yet another reason why its BS" ... oooooo .... Now were taunting the evil clown. Shouldn't be much longer till the moniker becomes past tense. But you can call me tribe. S7ABCABP Winner   Top

GetMeOuttaHere 43 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-06-04, 06:21 PM (EST) 103. "RE: yet another reason why its BS" LAST EDITED ON 02-06-04 AT 06:21 PM (EST) Once again,I actually read posts and was actually replying to the "Clowns" hypothetical question!(sorry,I realize that the big word I used is probably mispelled,but I can't find my dictionary and no other word fits)   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-06-04, 06:38 PM (EST) 104. "RE: yet another reason why its BS" "Hypothetical" is not misspelled, but "mispelled" is misspelled. I know you were replying to Shakes' question. I just didn't understand the martini comment. And I wanted to get post 100. Never mind.   Top

GetMeOuttaHere 43 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-06-04, 06:44 PM (EST) 105. "I was not insulting Shakes. Do you think anyone would?" LAST EDITED ON 02-06-04 AT 06:47 PM (EST) The title of my reply should have included, "Do you think anyone would"? Too quick to flame? Perhaps if I said "one too many shots"? 'LOL'   Top

theking0075 331 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 02-09-04, 10:27 AM (EST) 126. "RE: yet another reason why its BS" Call it BS all you want, but all I know is, the guy is 2 for 2. "Evil" Dr. Will: Reality Show Legend!   Top

AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-05-04, 11:38 PM (EST) 76. "Unlocked for now" I'm going to leave this unlocked for now, because we won't be able to prove whether this is BS until after we get through the widely-known first four boots. But feel free to flame away. My uncle the camerman said it was OK to do so.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-06-04, 00:20 AM (EST) 80. "RE: Unlocked for now" Just one question: In which episode will someone fall off a horse and break a leg?   Top

SurvivorBlows 15230 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-06-04, 00:11 AM (EST) 79. "RE: can we please lock this NOW!" LAST EDITED ON 02-06-04 AT 00:39 AM (EST) I'm not a fan of this spoiler (I have a hard time believing anyone in a position to be handling the actual film would run to a Survivor website -- and if someone is, then Burnett has an even bigger problem than anyone ever thought) but I can certainly see a case where Rupert might have "lied" to Rudy. As Ice points out in the East Coast thread, Rudy apparently thought Ethan was going. And Rupert appears to have had knowledge that Jerri and Jenna were actually going to vote for Rudy -- not Ethan. It might be a lie of omission, and a mercy killing, but it's still a lie. The "gig" that should be "up" is the one that involves making impulsive proclamations based on a couple of minutes of pre-TC footage from tonight. For all we know, Rupert could open Ep3 by saying "I knew J&J were planning on going after Rudy, and I approached Ethan about allying with Rudy and I, but Ethan said he'd rather take his chances at getting booted tonight rather than be teamed with a crippled and soon to possibly be sick old man for the next 33 days, so there was nothing I could do but let it play out..." -SB   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-06-04, 00:23 AM (EST) 81. "RE: can we please lock this NOW!" Or Rupe may have tried to get Jeri or Jenna to change their votes and that wasn't shown either.   Top

mavsfan 693 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 02-06-04, 02:24 AM (EST) 85. "Rudy WAS lied to" << There is no way the "info" about Rupert screwing over Rudy can << be justified/rationalized or blamed on selective editing Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Rudy say in his post TC confessional something along the line of "2 hours ago I was told I was safe. These folks better look out 'cause I've got friends"? It sounds to me like someone lied to Rudys face - someone like oh I don't know, Maybe Rupert. This fits perfectly with Sleeks pregame post. Wasn't Sleek vetted by Q and Griff? Two "established spoilers" who know the smell of BS? Maybe Sleek just guessed all this, but I doubt it. I suspect Sleek is either legit, or an MB plant. And not just a 13 year old kid with an overactive imagination looking for attention. << anyone dumb enough to even think of defending it from now on << will be flamed relentlessly. Nothing like flaming to discourage Debate and Newbies.   Top

allstarr 40 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-06-04, 02:39 PM (EST) 91. "RE: Rudy WAS lied to" << anyone dumb enough to >even think of defending it >from now on << will be flamed relentlessly. I am in agreement with your whole post!!! I don't know sleek28 but he sure the heck knows more than y'all that are flamin him. I say bring it on if you want to flame Just make sure you can take the heat when it comes back to ya! I am in support of sleek28 boot list.....anyone else got something to say?   Top

PepeLePew13 26135 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-07-04, 09:06 AM (EST) 118. "RE: Rudy WAS lied to" >It sounds to me like someone >lied to Rudys face - >someone like oh I don't >know, Maybe Rupert. This >fits perfectly with Sleeks pregame post. You know, MB is probably trying to ride the wave of popularity that Rupert rode in on so he doesn't want to turn the people against Rupert so soon. I believe that Rupert DID lie to Rudy in some manner but it was cut out - why else would Rudy say that in his final words?   Top

MDSkinner 716 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 02-06-04, 11:59 AM (EST) 86. "RE: can we please lock this NOW!" Shakes, you are welcome to flame me relentlessly, but I am interested to see how this pans out when we get to the Jerri vote out on his list. At this point nothing that sleek has said has been false (to my knowledge) since it is tough to say whether or not Rupert lied to Rudy. Rupert stayed loyal to Rudy in that he never did vote for him and in fact he did vote with him, but he may well have known that the other three were going to vote Rudy out. That being said, you could look at him as having lied to Rudy, by not informing him. This is something we can not know, due to the editing. That being said, I have no reason to totally discount this spoiler until the Jerri boot, which I am not thoroughly convinced will happen. Chillone on the other hand, is a total jackass trying to sell a book. He has now changed both of his picks? He is a worthless lemming. The sleek list may turn out to be the same, but I personally will keep it in mind at least for a few more episodes. Bring the flames.   Top

Raistlin212 17 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 02-06-04, 12:05 PM (EST) 87. "RE: can we please lock this NOW!" LAST EDITED ON 02-06-04 AT 12:07 PM (EST) "Rudy thinks he is Ok but easily is the second boot" Sounds like sleek got it right to me. Rudy thought he was safe, and was mad as heck when he got the boot.   Top

SurvivorBlows 15230 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-06-04, 12:35 PM (EST) 88. "RE: can we please lock this NOW!" LAST EDITED ON 02-06-04 AT 12:36 PM (EST) >Chillone on the other hand, is a total jackass trying to >sell a book. He has now changed both of >his picks? He is a worthless lemming. Glad to see some other folks now realizing with what was already obvious to some of us months ago... the guy is a total fraud -- and has been since he first started with his "revisionist history" of what he proclaimed and when it was proclaimed. -SB   Top

crayZoZ 29 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-05-04, 11:55 PM (EST) 77. "SLeek28's Stuff - No Clowning around" I for one think sleeks legit and am keen to see an episode by episode topic devoted to sleek's stuff being confirmed or disected. Shakes has a great sense of humour and a good bite.. Hope I dont get any teeth marks in me Wouldn't it be good to cut sleek some slack as he will provide lots of spoiling discussion which surely is the main reason we are all here. Cheers crayZoZ   Top

Get Bent 293 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 02-06-04, 00:40 AM (EST) 82. "RE: SLeek28's Stuff - No Clowning around" It is interesting Sleek is posting here now. This is a much better site, let's give him some slack. Shakes, I had the exact same reaction you did with the Rupert thing. I thought Sleek could now be discounted. BUT... I think it can be in the perception of the event. I love Rupert for so many reasons, so I percieve that he kept his word to Rudy by not voting for him, and rationalized not telling Rudy. Personally, I don't hold the omission against Rupert. What can I say, I love the guy. But Sleek doesn't have the same perception as 90 percent of the viewers and doesn't love Rupert, therefore he felt Rupert wronged Rudy. And that case can be made I am sure. Anyway, after a few minutes of consideration, I don't think that we can hold Sleeks perception of Rupert against him for now. Now that he is posting here, let's pick his brain! See what else he has. Of course it could be a load of crap, but hey, thats what we are here for. To make our own perception.   Top

Brad Lascelle 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-06-04, 02:16 AM (EST) 83. "RE: SLeek28's Stuff - No Clowning around" I just cut-and-pasted Sleek's response over from Sucks so I'm afraid he's not posting here just yet. I did encourage him too over in the Sucks thread but I think the guy wants the abuse from the cynical Sucksters so that's his call. Why anyone in their right mind would post a spoiler over there I can't possibly fathom. Guy's got a death wish. ;) == Brad Lascelle <blascelle@gto.net>   Top

Get Bent 293 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 02-06-04, 02:22 AM (EST) 84. "RE: SLeek28's Stuff - No Clowning around" Brad, Thank you. I thought you were Sleek for a second. Thanks for the clarification however. I am relatively new to spoiling, and found the Sucks site hard to follow, off topic, rude, crude and over the top on a lot of levels. If the guy is for real he should come over to this site and get some real interaction, instead of the BS at Sucks.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-06-04, 02:59 PM (EST) 93. "RE: SLeek28's Stuff - No Clowning around" If the guy is for real he should come over to this site and get some real interaction, instead of the BS at Sucks. Get Bent, he doesn't have anything to add to the info he already posted. So there's no reason for him to post here, unless he wants to defend himself against Shakes. p.s. you still need to shrink your sig-pic. I'd help but I'm useless at that stuff.   Top

lovetowatch 123 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 02-06-04, 02:13 PM (EST) 90. "RE: SLeek28's Stuff - No Clowning around" I was also wondering about their choice of boards to post on. Snewser doesn't post here either. This board has class. Over there they are nasty posters. Maybe that's the point. More attention over there?   Top

GetMeOuttaHere 43 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-06-04, 07:16 PM (EST) 106. "RE: SLeek28's Stuff - No Clowning around" Call me boring,stupid,or whatever. If I could have logged onto the 2003 Fiesta Bowl and found out who won before it was played out,I would have.Therefore missing the most exciting sports moment in college sports to me,ever.(OSU,I am a Buckeye) But this is a reality show,it's not live like football.I never watch football,basketball,or baseball recasts.But I love knowing who will win. That's just me,and obviously many other Survivor fans or we would not be posting here.   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-06-04, 04:29 PM (EST) 95. "sleek on E3" OK, no harm to play along, I guess. Let's take a look at what sleek has for E3: Jenna (leaves, not voted out-symbolic tribal council) Jenna leaves game, and i guess that is already known- Originally they were not going to make this a huge part of the episode, BUT the overwhelming feelings of the whole cast were evident- Just to make you Jenna fans feel better- She and Colby were going to be targeted anyway- if they had lost i think Jenna would have been the first boot anyway (we will never know for sure) Do we know if two people leave the game this week? I'm not sure if there is any consensus yet. Tough call here. Thanks to Snewser (I believe) we knew before sleek posted that Jenna6 left on Day 8. sleek mentions this. A symbolic TC lends some credibilty to sleek's info I guess, but this was speculated before his post as well. As for JennaM and Colby as targets, any reference to this point would have to be considered a hit. While it makes sense - a previous winner and a F2 challehge ho - Rich is the obvious target. It's not like he's been a big help around camp this time around either. Of course, because sleek never claimed to see the final edited version, any discussion of Mogo targets could get left on the cutting room floor. If we get the Jenna6 voluntary exit along with a standard boot, then the next bit of intel could be telling, whether it comes in E3 or 4: Rob Cesternino- Rob is well liked by his tribemates- believe it or not this tribe really is the love tribe- they all are very respectful of each other- i thought there would be more friction early on in this tribe and it turned out to be just the opposite- In their confessionals- they are mean and dirty- especially ROBM.- he does this the whole game- If things go as orginally planned, alot of this episode talks about Rob C's strategy and i have to admit that he does not see it coming- the editing starts to show the true tribel leader, Rob M as the leader We had Rob6 in Patagonia with Tina and Rudy a long time before sleek showed up. This one isn't a stretch. The fact that Rob4 is the architect of this boot is, again, not a surprise. What? Like it was going to be Amber's call? Or Tom for that matter? (Does bodog or intertops give odds on whether or not Big Tommy will give Sue a "wake-up" vote, a la Clarence, if everyone is voting Rob6?) The "love tribe"? Really? I know everyone is trying to play nice but c'mon. Yep, the confessionals can be brutal but the tension in Chapera is palpable. Alicia has had moments with Rob4 and Tom. Tom has issues with Sue and Alicia. Rob4 and Sue? Oil and water. And from the website preview, the tension continues in E3. Even if we give sleek the benefit of the doubt about Rupert's "lie," this information is already questionable, IMHO. And in rebuttal to sleek's most recent post, I think plenty of us had Rudy as the second boot. We didn't need sleek's help for that one. Sorry, buddy.   Top

KObrien_fan 8360 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-06-04, 04:42 PM (EST) 96. "RE: sleek on E3" As far as the Chapera love tribe thing, yes we have had the types of conflicts one would expect between all the various personalities...BUT we have also seen them singing together and sitting very closely under the shelter as Big Tom did the rain dance. We also have the "romance" between Amber and Rob M. that looks to continue devoloping in E3. If you were MB, would you put most of the love tribe stuff on the cutting room floor in favor of airing the drama driven spats and conflicts, especially considering there is less time to air things right now because of the 3 tribe dynamic? I would say yes, it makes for better TV to see the spats. Surgeon General G.A.W.K.U.R's of OT   Top

MDSkinner 716 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 02-06-04, 05:07 PM (EST) 97. "RE: sleek on E3" I agree with you munson, in that we should not blindly believe the sleek spoiler, but I do not think it should be totally discounted yet either. I tend to agree with you that Jenna leaving the game, and Rob6 getting the following boot would not be that big of a stretch, due to other spoilers that came out before sleek. I really think that the episode where he has Jerri getting the boot will be more telling than any of these first 4. Even if he hits that one on the head, we should still question the reliability of this spoiler, but I think it would be nuts to just throw it out. Questionable, it definitely is, but it is also a bit too close to discount all together, this week anyway.   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 02-06-04, 05:25 PM (EST) 98. "RE: sleek on E3" Well far be it from me to pass up an entertaining read, made up or not The first couple of boots have already been posted, re-posted and then posted again and the original spoiler (if you will) was the sighting of Tina, Rudy, Rob C. together along with our known information about Jenna M./mother sooooo this lengthy post by this "sleek" doesn't mean anything to me until after these boots are finished since "sleek" could simply be using the information we all had access to for quite some time. Now, I will say if Jerri does indeed go I'll maybe only raise one eyebrow at "sleek", not two of them. This "swap" he/she mentions however could have easily been "gleaned" from SNN report which states The three tribes merged into two tribes on or before Day 13 (Nov. 15th) so his "information" of "swap time" is something that has already been put forth. However, I am not sure that Jerri, IMO, would be the candidate to go either; frankly it could be a crapshoot between a couple of people. Regardless, this is just yet another "list" that makes me want to throw my hands up and say my job is now obsolete as speculation based on clues, caps and watching the show is no longer necessary (sniff) So   Top

okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-07-04, 00:24 AM (EST) 114. "RE: sleek on E3" Yep. A thousand monkeys and a thousand typewriters and eventually, we're bound to come up with Romeo and Juliet!   Top

MDSkinner 716 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 02-08-04, 03:57 PM (EST) 125. "RE: sleek on E3" >Regardless, this is just yet another >"list" that makes me want >to throw my hands up >and say my job is >now obsolete as speculation based >on clues, caps and watching >the show is no longer >necessary (sniff) Even if we get all to what sleek says is the Colby vote and everything is still in order, there is no reason to throw your hands up. The way I see this, even if the whole thing turns out to be true, it is still worth while to look every week and be sure that the vidcaps and other clues still point in that direction. I personally am of the belief that the sleek spoiler will fall apart sooner or later. If not, this would certainly be unprecedented.   Top

Raistlin212 17 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 02-06-04, 07:47 PM (EST) 107. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" Reviewing his next couple of picks and explainations: 3. Jenna Morasca leaves game, and i guess that is already known...She and Colby were going to be targeted anyway We'll see quickly, but this seems to fit everything we know. It's 99% certain she leaves during early stage filming. And analysis of her tribe indicates that her and Colby are the weaker links. Many people figured Rich would be the least liked person in camp, so he bucked the trend and is probably right. 4. Rob Cesternino...Rob is well liked by his tribemates...this tribe really is the love tribe...they all are very respectful of each other...In their confessionals they are mean and dirty...especially ROBM...If things go as orginally planned, alot of this episode talks about Rob C's strategy...the editing starts to show the true tribel leader Rob M Obviously we have a few hints about the fact that RobC is anearly boot. If Chapera does have to go to TC in episode 4, he's probably on the chopping block. Look at other parts though: they actually get along fairly well in camp but rip on each other in confessionals. That's pretty accurate. There could have been a lot of fighting, but after the whole beds vs fire fight they've been pretty good to each other. Even when Alicia kind of stepped in and took charge of the fire, there wasn't a lot of grumbling (mainly because she was right). RobM has been awfully cocky in his confessionals. RobC knows he needs to do something now, so there would be a lot of action on his part. His best bet is to recruit Sue and Alicia and if he loses it's going to be because one of them doesn't go along. Sleek claims that RobC doesn't see it coming, perhaps either Sue or Alicia switches sides at the last second....very possible and playing right into his spoilers since he has Sue getting kicked out next opportunity and Alicia being carreid to near the end. If RobC thinks he's got Alicia but she crosses him to join with Tom/Amber/RobM....then I think this guy's onto something. After the swap: 5. Jerri Manthey...Jerri is the obvious boot in her new living environment 6. Susan Hawke -- Sue thinks she is in a position of power, she is not however Lex and Shi Ann lead to her dismissal By here we should be able to tell how legit he is. He's basically giving us how the first swap/merge recombines the remaining people, and the week it happens. When I went through all his later info I found something out. He says that in Ep6 that Sue, Lex, and Shii Ann are in the same tribe. He says that in Ep9 JennaL, Lex, Kathy, Shii Ann and Rupert are in a tribe. He says that in Ep8 that Rich, Rupert, and Kathy are in one tribe. He says all of this happens before the final merge in Ep10. That means one of the tribes would have to be (in his boot order): Tribe A Sue (gone pre-merge) Rich (gone pre-merge) Lex Kathy Shii Ann JennaL Rupert Tribe B Jerri (gone pre-merge) Ethan (gone pre-merge) Colby (gone pre-merge) Alicia Tom Amber RobM Argue the dynamics of those hypothetical tribes for a few minutes...   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-06-04, 09:01 PM (EST) 108. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" Brad did a good job of analyzing the dynamics in this post: http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4703.shtml#25 That's the thing about sleek28's list. We'll go over it and over it until it blows up or we find ourselves at the Finale and sleek is a Spoilers legend. In your Tribe B scenario, it does indeed look like Jerri would be considered a challenge liability outside of the dominant Chapera4.   Top

Raistlin212 17 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 02-06-04, 09:25 PM (EST) 109. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" It just makes so much sense it's tough to ignore... The fact that he gives us the exact results of the merge is pretty telling. If that's right then clearly he's got inside info. Has anywhere else dropped a hint about the two tribe compositions?   Top

Brad Lascelle 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-07-04, 05:31 AM (EST) 117. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" LAST EDITED ON 02-07-04 AT 05:33 AM (EST) We've had some extensive discussion over on Sucks tonight about the expected tribal shuffle for Episode 5 as per Sleek's episode descriptions. My initial suggestion from a week ago is as follows... TRIBE A - Jenna L., Jerri, LEX, Rob M., SHII ANN, SUSAN, TOM TRIBE B - Alicia, Amber, Colby, ETHAN, KATHY, RICHARD, RUPERT My reasoning for the above breakdown can be found in the link Munson mentioned above and the Sleek thread over on Sucks. The most legit criticisms against this breakdown was that it was too structured and lacked the random element that Burnett likes to employ for twists to ensure he doesn't get called for fixing the game. It also split up the lovebirds. With the understanding that sleek28's intel more or less mandates that the names in CAPS above be together on separate tribes (Raistlin's suggestion would have Colby as the odd man out and likely to get tossed before Jerri due to tribe dynamics), Bluto Delta suggested the following makeup which I really like. TRIBE A - Alicia, Colby, Jerri, LEX, SHII ANN, SUSAN, TOM TRIBE B - Amber, ETHAN, Jenna L., KATHY, RICHARD, Rob M., RUPERT Swapping Jenna L. and Rob M. for Alicia and Colby allows for the following. 1) Jerri's boot has been described as 'obvious'. What better way for a boot to be obvious than for her to be separated from the rest of Saboga? It ensures her boot is cinched without requiring the immediate reformation of the Lex-Tom bond as per my original scenario. Colby even gets to boot Jerri again. That's good TV. 2) The switch breakdown is more random and less structured. It's not surprising that Ethan would get taken out in that scenario as it would not be hard to sell Jenna on voting against him and Rob M. gets to relish in the fact that Ethan's getting sold up the river by his ex-GFs (Amber & Jenna). 3) The lovebirds get to remain together through the entire game. This may well be our swap tribe configuration. == Brad Lascelle <blascelle@gto.net>   Top

Raistlin212 17 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 02-07-04, 09:48 AM (EST) 119. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" Speculation:TRIBE A - Alicia, Colby, Jerri, LEX, SHII ANN, SUSAN, TOM TRIBE B - Amber, ETHAN, Jenna L., KATHY, RICHARD, Rob M., RUPERT sleek:Jenna Lewis turns her back on her "new" alliance that includes Lex, Cathy, Shi-ann and Rupert This doesn't hold up. The only way for there to be two tribes of 7, and still have sleek be perfect is to use the following clues: Sue thinks she is in a position of power, she is not however Lex and Shi Ann lead to her dismissal Rich and Kathy have a huge blowup...with Rupert calling Rich a pathetic shell Combined with sleek's other quote above, Rich, Kathy, Rupert, Shii Ann, Lex, JennaL, and Sue all MUST be on the same team.   Top

Brad Lascelle 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-07-04, 11:21 AM (EST) 121. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" > Speculation:TRIBE A - Alicia, Colby, Jerri, LEX, SHII ANN, > SUSAN, TOM > > TRIBE B - Amber, ETHAN, Jenna L., KATHY, RICHARD, Rob M., > RUPERT > > sleek:Jenna Lewis turns her back on her "new" alliance > that includes Lex, Cathy, Shi-ann and Rupert > > This doesn't hold up. The only way for there to be two > tribes of 7, and still have sleek be perfect is to use the > following clues: You're incorrectly using Colby's boot criteria when deducing the tribal shuffle makeup. According to sleek, Colby's getting tossed in the traditional merger episode with 10 people remaining in the game. The reason why Jenna's "new" alliance is in quotes is that everyone's alliance loyalties are reset at the merge for the end game. At merge, we'll have 4 Chapera, 4 Mogo Mogo and 2 Saboga... Kathy reunites with the rest of Mogo Mogo and probably attempts to bring both Rupert and Jenna with her into that alliance to help them pick off the 4 remaining Chapera (starting with Alicia or the Robfather). Jenna's not too crazy about this new pact (as per sleek's description) and jumps ship to assist in Colby's boot. == Brad Lascelle <blascelle@gto.net>   Top

Raistlin212 17 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 02-07-04, 12:13 PM (EST) 122. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" You're incorrectly using Colby's boot criteria when deducing the tribal shuffle makeup. According to sleek, Colby's getting tossed in the traditional merger episode with 10 people remaining in the game. Actually with sleek's puncuation it's tough to tell what he's trying to say. It looked to me (and to someone else who reposted his stuff) that he says Colby gets the boot, then the final merge comes... Looking back at his original post, he throws "merge time" in AFTER he talks about Colby's boot. But, it does seem weird that they'd merge with only 9 left - and not 10 like in the past. The only rationale I can see for that is that MB wants to ship off that 10th Place person out of the area with the others when the second group leaves for the out of the way hiding spot. Hmmm....I don't know what to think about it.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-07-04, 09:31 PM (EST) 123. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" fake merge like in Thailand followed by actual merge later on?   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-09-04, 11:08 AM (EST) 127. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" The most legit criticisms against this breakdown was that it...also split up the lovebirds. Actually Brad, I've been thinking that it could be we're being anvilled with the Rob/Amber alliance/romance because they do get split up in the first reshuffling. It would create some suspense as to whether they will both make the final merge and reform their alliance. Viewers might recall that in S4 Rob and Sarah got separated by the switch and Sarah promptly got voted out. Oh and, FYI all, the Sleek thread has been moved to the dump on Sucks again.   Top

volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-06-04, 10:00 PM (EST) 110. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" There are jumps in understanding that I can't follow. *When you mention the Mogo Mogo tribe I don't immediately think it is obvious that Colby is the weak link and the obvious next boot. Richard isn't even making himself apart of the tribe, he has even admitted as much..Shii Ann isn't a very strong person at all, she was exhausted after the first link in the reward challenge this week. Kathy is not known for playing the game, before she seemed a loner, she worked hard but was a loner. Jenna M. is expected to go this week but I would not consider her an obvious boot if she were to make it to tribal council (which we don't expect her too). When I think of Mogo Mogo, I think the two obvious boot choices would be Shii Ann and Richard. With Richard being at the top of the list. *Then with the Chapera tribe you say that Rob C. is another easy choice. Alicia is already on Rob M. and Tom's nerves and has been the one that instigated the the little spats we have been shown. Susan has also been somewhat of a loner and the loners usually are not in it for the long haul. I am not saying that I am correct, you are correct or that you are wrong. I just don't follow the thought process and wanted to put other ideas out there to show that there are other options that could easily fit into the plot lines! Director of Public Relations for GAWKUR!   Top

Raistlin212 17 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 02-06-04, 10:25 PM (EST) 111. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" LAST EDITED ON 02-06-04 AT 10:27 PM (EST) When you mention the Mogo Mogo tribe I don't immediately think it is obvious that Colby is the weak link and the obvious next boot. Richard isn't even making himself apart of the tribe, he has even admitted as much. The insider transcript posted indicates that Rich is at least sociable with the others. He'll hang around the fire and play in the games. Colby seems to be a little more distant. People are saying that he's not focused on this one, he's not really giving it his all. I haven't seen that yet, but if that's the case...Rich is definately trying to win. All he needs is two people to side with him. I think he can get Shii Ann and Lex or Kathy. He has to look at that as a good 4 person group to take into the merge...they really are kinda sheep for him to herd. If I'm Rich I'm worried about Colby and try to take him out. I think he can do it. Then with the Chapera tribe you say that Rob C. is another easy choice. Alicia is already on Rob M. and Tom's nerves and has been the one that instigated the the little spats we have been shown. Susan has also been somewhat of a loner and the loners usually are not in it for the long haul. There's a good discussion of this in the "Dynamics after Ep2" thread (in addition to the Patagonia Spoiler), but there's several reasons who RobC is an obvious choice. Mostly because he's more of a threat than Alicia, even if she's obnoxious. If RobM/Amber/Tom take out RobC then they own the tribe and can kick anyone else at any time. I bet if they head to TC, RobC will get worried and try to get Alicia and Sue on his side...then one will turn on him and join RobM/Amber/Tom.   Top

volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-07-04, 10:50 AM (EST) 120. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" We can agree to disagree on the Richard and Colby thing. Rich has admitted in his own confessionals that he is stand offish! Just because he is socialable doesn't mean that he is going to NOT be a target. Also, you say that Rich is trying to win...well they all are. Rich even admitted in the last episode that he was just sitting back watching and trying to determine what to do next. The thing about Colby not being into the game is just a rumor and has not panned out as of yet. I have not seen it and don't buy into it. Colby is a competitive person and doesn't like to lose. It may be true...and I will admit that I am wrong, however, I am not buying right now. Again, I totally disagree that Rob C. is a bigger threat than Alicia. I think Alicia can go toe to toe with any man on the Chapera tribe. Rob M. has buffed up but Alicia is a stronger person than Rob C. (my opinion). I guess we will have to see how it pans out. Director of Public Relations for GAWKUR!   Top

Cuauhtewatemoccajava 133 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 02-06-04, 10:29 PM (EST) 112. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" >>>Of course, because sleek never claimed to see the final edited version, any discussion of Mogo targets could get left on the cutting room floor. This is why it's hard disproving sleek in an extremely annoying and unspecific way. sleek can simply claim (and he has many times) on and on how he doesn't know what will make it in to the final episode, it was left on the cutting room floor, blah blah blah etc etc.   Top

okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-07-04, 00:34 AM (EST) 116. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" Well, what doesn't get left on the cutting room floor, of course, is who get booted, isn't that true? And Sleek has been pretty adamant about that...   Top

okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-07-04, 00:30 AM (EST) 115. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" Thanks, Raistlin, I was planning on doing that this weekend...you saved me the trouble... It is especially interesting since there was another thread which argued that Rupert and JennaL would end up together, but on the other tribe!   Top

fredscott 16 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 02-08-04, 01:53 AM (EST) 124. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" Judging by this article,(http://jam.canoe.ca/Television/feb7_survivor-sun.html) quite a few people are taking this spoiler seriously, even people who usually don't pay attention to spoilers.   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-09-04, 11:49 PM (EST) 128. "Update" OK, for all of you who have been following the Sleek28 saga over at Sucks, it's taken another turn. Sleek returned and started a new thread this evening after finding his original thread removed from the Spoliers forum and dumped in The Dump. Nothing spoilerish of note really but more of a goodbye and farewell post (again), taking a final shot of the rude and nasty posters who compromise, in Sleek's estimation, about 10% of the Sucks community. Obviously this statement did not go over well with some of the regulars. Oh, yeah. Sleek continued to make his "last" post before returning minutes later to continue debating, defending, etc.. Pretty hilarious. They just ate him up. Problem is, he's right. Anyway... After finishing page 8 of a twelve page (and growing by the minute) thread, it was deleted. Yep. Not locked but deleted. Whatever your thoughts about the Sucks board in general or the mods, Q specifically, there is something mighty fishy about their reaction to Sleeks original post. Whatever. Makes the whole thing more enjoyable for me to read with all the background drama anyway. Deena Bennett (triadog), DarkRivers and Snewser himself had cameos in the thread. Deena and Wezzie got into a bit of a pissing match as well. Our new friend Brad Lascelle got in a few hilarious comments and a shout out from the Sleeker himself for his analysis of the information Sleek provided, even if he's not completely buying it. Not sure what I missed on the four pages that were deleted but probably nothing of substance. But why does everybody try to take the entertainment out of spoiling? It's a TV show, people. Sheesh, lighten the hell up. Sleek did say we would understand more about him and his motives following some type of announcement in 3 weeks and if true, methinks this Sleek business is far from done. For what it's worth, I saved Sleeks original post from the thread he started tonite. sleek28 Registered User Posts: 23 (2/9/04 6:20 pm) Reply Final message to the board and readers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know i am breaking a rule by starting a new thread, and i expect it to get locked- this morning i tried to find the original thread and it looked to me like it was not even in the dump anymore- and that is fine with me- i just wanted to use this opportunity to let you know how i feel about this. I came here originally for all of the right reasons, to simply giver info that most of you wanted or else you would not be here. You debated my information, and i have had no problem with that. I have said several times that the only thing that bothers me are the mean and insulting comments that have come from many of you. The problem is that up until now, i have not spent a ton of time on the internet, whether it be on boards or in any type of chat. So being new to the internet experience, i would treat the people the same way i would treat them face to face. What i see is many posters who want to be vulgar and HIDE behind their computers. That is their right to do so, but i also have a right to ask to be treated with a little respect. Final thoughts on this subject- Be decent to people- and stop trying to make it sound that i am so "angry" over whether someone believes my story or not, because that is not true Back to some of the people on the board and what i have seen as hypocrites. I originally posted this, and had all intention of NOT posting again. What i did not realize are the reasons why this little community is considered the gem of survivor spoiling, along with Survivor News. Because of these reasons and because of the challenges, any legitimate person or anyone that follows human nature, would defend themselves or want to interact with posters. I think about 90% of you, regular or not, are probably enjoyable people in real life. 10% of you have posted messages to my inbox, telling me how fun this has been and wanting more info from me, then turn around and bash me on this board. That is what i find the most disturbing- One of thos was the marquesan godfather- if you read what he wrote to you all as a community, he completely backpeddles when he finds out i sent HIS stalking type messages to me, to Griffe. That is one example of the two faced attitude that i am talking about- One of the "long time posters" had the nerve to tell me i should not assault MG's character, when all i did was PROVE him to be lying to all of you One thing that cracks me up that i forgot to post originally is how the great chillone (who i dearly like) and others who have been wrong through 2 picks, are still alive and kicking, where my accurate thread is now gone. I think many here have hindsight disease- the ability to look back and make a puzzle out of my info- no one had predicted the first 2 boots well before hand like myself, and yet my thread gets the boot-just like in life, bullshit spreads its love to all- I will encourage Burnett's boys to make up a name like "greenena" or "blackeena", or redeena, make up things as they go along and act like it is inside scoop I can tell you that something huge was coming in a few weeks, and i have not been banned by then, i will be more than happy to share that info, if it is not readily available in the media- I have lots to say about why i came here vs. going to the enquirerer, or what my true intentions are, etc. , what Mark Burnett is doing to counter future spoilers, etc,but i guess it does not matter now- If Q wants to ban the Sleek28 name then i have no problem with that. I am not out for glory, just out to be treated with some respect. If Q chooses to ban me then i will just email the big news to Griffe in about 3 weeks from now Sorry again to have started a new thread, i just did not know where else to post this For the 90% of you that have been civil have a great life Sleek28   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-10-04, 00:01 AM (EST) 129. "RE: Update" Why do they always pick Sucks. Must be clown, a lot of people are afraid of clown. I don't think Q's actions are suspicious. CBS and MB's people review the boards searching for clues to leakers, anyone who posted "intell" of that nature would likely get the same treatment. Face it, most leakers are unlikely to go the Uncle Cameraman route.   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-10-04, 09:26 AM (EST) 136. "RE: Update" Q takes enough shots from Sucks members and whatever I personally think of SurvivorSucks as a spoiling site, he's got a tough job on his hands moderating within that community. But why anyone with legit info would post there is beyond me. That said, here's a thread that was locked, unlocked, dumped, moved again, etc.. I imagine Q, or someone, investigated the info Sleek provided about himself and was satisfied enough the leave the thread open at the same time dismissing the validity of the information. Griffe seemed to feel it was best for Sleek to just walk away less he risk the further ire of SEG. Valid info or not, it seems someone is satisfied that the guy is who he says he is. It's just the motives that are unclear. Just curious is all. Lock it or dump it, just be decisive. No doubt some fear of legal recourse is driving some of the decision making. I just find the whole thing fascinating. Now back to real life...   Top

strid333 2928 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 02-10-04, 00:16 AM (EST) 130. "RE: Update" Wow. That is all I can say. Obviously I'll be mentioning this and how Sucks totally discredits Sleek28 in my SOTS this week. Does that mean we should totally take Sleek28 as BS, as well? Three is the perfect number.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-10-04, 01:07 AM (EST) 132. "RE: Update" Naw, we've got plenty of reason before this to take sleek as total BS, this is just more stuff on stuff. Let's keep an eye out for whatever happens in three weeks though, should be interesting. I would be interested in whatever happens in three weeks or two weeks or six weeks or whatever regardless of sleek, but maybe that's just me. I do appreciate the continued updates though. Saves me the time and effort and so on.   Top

okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-10-04, 06:23 AM (EST) 133. "RE: Update" Heck, I'd be interested in what the stock market is doing tomorrow, if anybody happens to run across that!   Top

TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 02-10-04, 00:36 AM (EST) 131. "RE: Update" I dearly wish sleek would come over here instead. There are reasonable people here who would give his info the proper scrutiny. Of course, there are those of us who would be (have been) less than receptive to this "spoiler" (yeah, the clown); but overall, this is a more civil forum. And I for one would be happy to secretly establish Sleek's credentials. He went to the wrong board. Curse on Sucks. These reality show contestants need a reality check!   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-10-04, 09:10 AM (EST) 134. "RE: Update" Totally agree, TJ. Brad Lascelle, on a couple of occasions, suggested Sleek come over here with his info because he would be treated more respectfully. Posters here, while suspicious on new posters with info like this, typically don't flame. Even shakes doesn't make personal attacks. I just remembered that Sleek did provide a bit more insight into his involvement with the show in a reply to Deena. After questioning whether or not trialdog was actually Deena, he said that she just might remember him. So it looks like Sleek had some interaction with contestants, whatever his role is/was.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-10-04, 09:20 AM (EST) 135. "RE: Update" He ought to come over here. Despite my skepticism, I would prefer to see intellectual dissection of the material rather than some of what is allowed at Sucks. As long as he doesn't come here with Bingo cards, if ya know what Ah mean.   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-10-04, 09:28 AM (EST) 137. "RE: Update" Mararotu's Easter egg chart? I do, my friend. Ahhh, those were the days, huh? Perfect example. Mara didn't have an easy go here but it was never mean or personal. Just wacky. And fun. And that's what Spoilers should be, IMO.   Top

Naked 887 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 02-19-04, 09:40 PM (EST) 184. "RE: Update" Mararotu's Easter egg chart? I do, my friend. Ahhh, those were the days, huh? Perfect example. Mara didn't have an easy go here but it was never mean or personal. Just wacky. And fun. And that's what Spoilers should be, IMO. Munson... Those where the days. I think that poking fun at that guy was one of the best times that I ever had here on these boards. I wish we would get something like that again.   Top

Brad Lascelle 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-12-04, 11:16 PM (EST) 149. "RE: Update" For what it's worth, a new plant/spoiler/intel resource surfaced over the last couple days in the wake of sleek28's departure and provided point-by-point details on comments various Mogo Mogo tribemates made after Rich brought the shark back to camp. These were bang on quote attributions to Colby and Shii Ann that simply could not be disputed. The guy's name is silverstarz and he promises to deliver more goods in due time. But, of course, once again only to the rabid Sucksters. Maybe some of you can persuade him to come here if he's plans on offering something more than pre-episode quotes. Ten bucks says he's a plant but I'll take constructive dialogue with a plant versus incessant badgering of a plant any day. BTW, I'm with Shakes. Tonight's episode was one of my faves of all-time. Wouldn't say it's my favorite as it didn't actually affect the game in any grand fashion but for pure storytelling, tribal interaction and seeing Survivors with REFRESHING editing spins, it was an absolute treat. == Brad Lascelle <blascelle@gto.net>   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-12-04, 04:46 PM (EST) 144. "The latest and the last?" For what it's worth <sigh> Griffe Brian Posts: 2053 (2/12/04 3:10 pm) Reply ezSupporter Re: 3 weeks up? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Message from Sleek saying that he has been told from above to cease and desist from any further messages on the board. I'm just passing the message along and don't know any more than that Cease and desist? From who above? How convenient after showing up in The Dump and promising the posters there that he would return to answer all of their questions. But just in case , sleek calls for a symbolic TC for Jenna and some reference to Jenna6 and Colby as the primary targets in Mogo2 in E3.   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 02-12-04, 04:57 PM (EST) 145. "Lame..." Disappearing just before boots are a little less obvious... -BbB I do more to not work than actual work.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-12-04, 05:00 PM (EST) 146. "RE: Lame..." Disappearing just before boots are a little less obvious... ...and right after Snewser arranged his early boots into a contradictory order?   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-12-04, 11:13 PM (EST) 148. "Sleek Poll" LOL! Actually, lawyers don't have to have a case to make trouble for anyone, they just have to have an employer willing to say, "Sic, boy, sic!" How many I'm-going-to-shut-up-now's is this guy going to take? 3. 4. 16. 32. ???   Top

forestforest 28 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-13-04, 01:17 AM (EST) 153. "RE: Sleek Poll" 42. FF   Top

Get Bent 293 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 02-13-04, 02:51 AM (EST) 154. "RE: Sleek Poll" Forest Gump Forest, I wish you'd give us a little more. Why are you so sure this person is full of it? Is there some detail he gave that is so wrong? I agree, it is easy to be sued and probably not worth the trouble. Even if you won, your legal fees would be so high, so why post a list of boots? So what is your take on Snewser? SNN (Survior News Network). They spoil the show very accurately without spilling lists ahead of time. Insider information? Lucky guess? If Sleek is silly to post here, why do you? Just curious, not trying to be a smart ass. Can you tell us any other information or details that would be of interest to the spoiling community regarding Sleek or ASS in general? It seems you are a night owl like myself. I wish I had better questions! My brain is fried however!   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 02-13-04, 07:52 AM (EST) 155. "RE: Sleek Poll" Considering that there is absolutely NO tribal counsel and there wasnt anything close to it - I'd say that's proof enough for me that he is full of it.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-13-04, 10:27 AM (EST) 156. "Episode 3 Post-Mortem" Rudy thinks he is Ok but easily is the second boot- Rupert justifies the boot afterward (as usual) If Rupert did, we didn't see it. Jenna leaves game, and i guess that is already known- Originally they were not going to make this a huge part of the episode, BUT the overwhelming feelings of the whole cast were evident- Yes, the feelings of the cast were evident, but how could they NOT make this a big part of the episode? Just to make you Jenna fans feel better- She and Colby were going to be targeted anyway- if they had lost i think Jenna would have been the first boot anyway. We saw no evidence of either of them being targeted. Jenna said on the Early Show that, had she stayed, she would have aligned with Kathy, Shii Ann, and probably Lex since she was close to them and things were sort of heading in that direction (I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist of it.) Sleek28's info isn't holding up well in the details.   Top

okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-13-04, 11:59 AM (EST) 162. "RE: Episode 3 Post-Mortem" How can we possibly know anything about what is really going on in the game when all we get to see is what MB lets us see? And what little we can glean from the bootees? I mean the entire sequence at the Saboga beach in the early part of last night's show was edited to lead us to believe that they carried on a full morning of fishing and cooking and whatever before they got the "Trading Spaces" kit and challenge from tree mail, when actually that footage was shot the day after Rupert's ill thought out "log cabin" was already completed. For all we know, there was plenty of plotting going on at Mogo Mogo against Colby and/or JennaM and we didn't get shown one second of it. Why would he show it to us? That would not have fit in very well with the tearful departure at all, would it? Going back to first epsisode, who would have guessed, from the editing, that Tina made a long and impassioned plea at TC to Rupert to vote with her and not with JennaL and Jerri? I think that would be an excellent question to ask Kathy at next week's party. Was there any talk about booting Jenna as a prior winner? Or Colby as a runner up? And I'd also like to know whether or not her 'cancer' comment was edited into the show out of sequence or if she was just really being that insensitive. Sleek's story is presumably based upon footage that he/she saw. Considering how much footage must be shot each day, and considering the fact that we get to see only a very, very small percentage of it, and considering that every second that we get to see is exactly what MB allows us to see...well, Sleek's boot selections are still 100%. I'm not gonna throw that list away, or make any decisions about its accuracy until I see much more conclusive evidence than what I've seen so far.   Top

forestforest 28 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 02-13-04, 11:38 AM (EST) 160. "RE: Sleek Poll" Hmmm. Lemme see if I can give satisfactory answers to your questions, GetBent. First, I'm not positive that Sleek is wrong in his list of boots. What I am positive about is that no one with the kind of insider edge that he's claiming would do what he's doing. It's just not logical behavior, at least not from anyone I know working at the level of trust that SURVIVOR demands. If you get hired by SURVIVOR, you'd better believe that MB has had you thoroughly vetted. MB might miss something -- are you really Clyde Barrow's love child? -- but he wouldn't miss the kind of madness that must be evident in anyone who's working the show and then, under cover of anonymity, is sneaking over here to tattle. It doesn't make sense for anyone intent on spoiling SURVIVOR bigtime to do it here. The contract -- I've heard -- is perfectly straightforward. YOU DON'T TELL. PERIOD. There are, as proof of my thinking, very very few leaks. If someone did leak the boot order, I'd have my money on one of the contestants having done so in a rather innocent setting. The contestants are not pros. Do you have any idea how COMMON it is for many people in television production to keep secrets, guarding them jealously? I doubt that, with all the talent available, MB, of all paranoid people, hired a mutt as Stupid as Sleek. His behavior is what I'd expect from a slow teenager, not someone who can get hired in a position of trust. All that saying goodbye and then coming back for encores. SNN -- my experience of SNN is that he checks and rechecks everything he "publishes." As I think I mentioned, I've tipped SNN to a couple of things and I know he's checked and checked to see if he can second-source my info. And he knows exactly who I am. So, I know from the other side just how carefully he works. In this mess of informants, SNEWSER is the one I'd trust. Plus, SNN has awesome contacts in the islands and on the mainland of Panama, and he stays in touch with them. Good man, the SNEWSER. A REAL spoiler would be someone more like me: calm, sane, credible, and probably wise enough to work through a "beard" rather than expose myself as Sleek is doing. What I'd do is tip SNEWSER and let him get the info out. That's what I've done in the past. I'm not sure how to use the quoting thingie on this program, but I hope I've answered all your questions. By the way, when the current Pope was elected, I was one of the first people in the world to know the name of the man. Did I tell anyone? Some things you don't leak. I see no evidence of any of the sort of discretion Sleek would need to be part of the world he's claiming to know. FF   Top

Get Bent 293 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 02-13-04, 11:59 AM (EST) 163. "RE: Sleek Poll" Thanks again ForestForest!   Top

shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 02-13-04, 01:01 PM (EST) 164. "Exactly!" FF, I was going to cut and paste the parts of your post that I agree with, but that would require me to cut and paste the entire post. Basically, everything you've said is everything I've said since this load of crap first surfaced. Its so obvious its a fake...I just can't wait for it to be conclusively proved in EVERYONE'S eyes so I can come back to this thresd and call out all the idiots that have supported this blatant lie.   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-13-04, 11:05 AM (EST) 157. "Crawling out of the woodwork" In the neverending saga that is Sleek28, another newbie arrives on the Sucks scene to add fuel to the fire. Here's the background. Early Wednesday morning, a poster named silverstarz starts a thread on Sucks with this post: silverstarz Osten Posts: 3 (2/11/04 2:50 am) Reply New spoilers for this thursdays episode...... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was told this from a very valid source that on this weeks episode Richard who was bitten by the shark on the arm will get alot of awe from fellow contestants. We will see colby start in on some dialog with richard to the degree of "Is it possible for a gay man to be called a stud?" Shii Ann gives credit to Richard for being a fishing god before his unfortunate arm bite. I have been in the industry and know that these facts are completely valid. I will have more information about when Jerry and rupert get in there fight today. I will keep you posted. thanks Edited by: silverstarz at: 2/11/04 12:35 pm Pretty spot on, huh? Of course, the Sucks poster jumped on this guy, questioning his "industry" status, etc.. His response: silverstarz Osten Posts: 4 (2/11/04 1:19 pm) Reply more spoilers..... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Although I am a newbie here it doesn't mean that I can't have valid information. If the majority of people come on this forum to spoil events that take place in the show and people find pleasure in it then only time will tell about my facts. This is not some challenge or competition of who is right or wrong. I have been in the industry for quite some time and have a my own reasons for posting on this forum. My sources confirm that sleeks information is correct as well. I don’t like the fact that sleek only gives mild details and facts that are left incomplete. I will be filling in the gaps as the week progresses. As for the fight between Rupert and Jerry, what people don’t know yet is that Ethan is going to get very excited because it gives him hope for his own survival in the game. until next time.... So now silverstarz is confirming Sleek's list based on his industry connections and promises more episode detail. Last night, after the show aired, he posts: silverstarz Osten Posts: 5 (2/12/04 8:07 pm) Reply more info for tonight.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some of you are noticing that the info I have given to this point is 100% true. I do know what I'm talking about and don't want to play games. You just need to take the time to collect all the info I give to see the big picture. I know things...and soon you will too. Edited by: silverstarz at: 2/12/04 8:20 pm What to make of all this? Well, it's likely silverstarz, or someone he knows, saw the final edit of E3. No way he has dialog detail like that otherwise. I'm not sure how the press preview copies of the show work - or even if there is such a thing - but that could explain why the episode information was confined to E3. But even if there are copies of the show floating around, MB has never included the IC and TC results. But why try to validate Sleek's list? If you have information about upcoming episodes a few days ahead of time, even if it doesn't include boot information, why not just post that and accept the kudos from the jaded and cynical Sucks posters? Why go all cryptic with "I know things" and "see the big picture?"   Top

Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 02-13-04, 11:29 AM (EST) 158. "New Silverstarz thread please?" Munson, interesting information. As you say, it's difficult to dispute the fact that he has access to detailed information... Since you've been following silverstarz so closely, would you mind starting a seperate thread for his posts so this thread doesn't get too long. Thanks... Krautboy   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-13-04, 11:46 AM (EST) 161. "Sure, KB" Just that I've never been a new thread startin' kinda guy, more of an adder on-er, if you will. Just for the record, this thread is now the longest individual thread (not counting East Coast and vote threads) in Spoliers forum history surpassing Part 4 of misto's Big Lie thread series!   Top

buckeyegirl 5449 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-13-04, 11:31 AM (EST) 159. "RE: Crawling out of the woodwork" Thanks for posting this Munson. It's interesting that this guy is defending Sleek. I'm really beginning to think that these posters are plants by MB...but if so, why only Sucks and not the other message boards as well? A bird's eye view of your A.S.S. RMMW!   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 02-13-04, 01:36 PM (EST) 166. "Last minute spoiling = lame" Being able to spoil a few pieces of a single episode the day before it airs is completely unimpressive. So what that a few pieces of dialogue were correct? That has no bearing on the outcome of the episode or of the season. And what's this crap: "I don’t like the fact that sleek only gives mild details and facts that are left incomplete." This is from the guy who only gave two nuggets of useless information. In my opinion, this is just another fool begging for attention. -BbB I do more to not work than actual work.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-13-04, 01:24 PM (EST) 165. "No more posts in this thread, please" ...as it's gotten extremely long. If -- BIG "IF" -- you want to dissect this matter any further, please do so in munson's Silverstarz thread here: http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4814.shtml I am reposting the basic "spoiler" and a link back here in that thread. Thanks! --BR   Top

KeithFan 7422 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-16-04, 10:37 PM (EST) 167. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" Next up Rob C. Something bothers me about this pick and maybe someone can enlighten me. After playing such a huge role in S7, would MB make him such a MIA and get the boot this week? Part of it is his whole UTR plan, but we see very little of him. We know several of the people on his tribe think he is lazy, but have we seen any evidence to that effect? We really don't seem to have much of a Robasu story line, can he be next?   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-17-04, 09:16 AM (EST) 168. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" It is curious. However, sometimes early boots get little attention until the episode in which they are booted (Kel is Oz is the classic example). The comment by Alicia about RobC getting by with the least possible effort may have been foreshadowing.   Top

erickman 61 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 02-18-04, 10:14 AM (EST) 169. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" well Q found out this is a hoax and he won't let us talk about it anymore.   Top

okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-18-04, 10:43 AM (EST) 172. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" I don't profess to know much about Sucks, but does that make sense? Why ban discussion? What's his proof of the hoax?   Top

RealityRyan 218 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 02-18-04, 10:21 AM (EST) 170. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" Rob C. was shown in a really negative light last episode, in my opinion... I think MB could definately be setting him up for the boot. SO many other players are utr, why else would MB choose to zoom in on Rob C. last episode? I'm not quite sure though why they would elect to vote out Rob C. over Soozin... maybe there's an Alicia/Soozin alliance that we haven't seen yet. Kathy must win !!! Down with THE RUPERT! I heart America's Next Top Model   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 02-18-04, 10:41 AM (EST) 171. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" Just to make it official Posted by Q at SS Sleek has admitted to me that the boot order is false. He wanted to announce this himself, but I don't make a habit of letting hoaxers get their way. He made up a brand new story which is comical, it's about plants and conspiracies and MB actually giving a damn about spoiling, but it's a laughably transparent attempt to wriggle out of the nosedive the bootlist will eventually take, and it did not stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny when I ran it by some contacts (it's a spoiler COMMUNITY, dipshit). This topic is important to some of you so I apologize for ending it abruptly, but hoaxes do not get attention here. Do not start new discussions on this topic. Sleek wants attention, and probably has a few accomplices, so the new rule is Any poster posting or paraphrasing a message from sleek will be immediately banned, no warnings, no questions. To the posters of this thread: go to the MESS Hall and study vidcaps. That's called SPOILING. To sleek: you failed. Well-crafted. Poorly executed.   Top

okaloosajohn 1259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 02-18-04, 10:44 AM (EST) 173. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" Ah. Thanks for a fuller explanation, VS...   Top

buckeyegirl 5449 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-18-04, 11:05 AM (EST) 174. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" Thanks Veruca. I must admit that I was really looking forward to seeing the Robfather in the final 2... A bird's eye view of your A.S.S. RMMW!   Top

Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-18-04, 11:44 AM (EST) 175. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" > >I'm not quite sure though why >they would elect to vote >out Rob C. over Soozin... >maybe there's an Alicia/Soozin alliance >that we haven't seen yet. > > I think the real reason is going to be that RobM wants RobC out. RobM doesn't seem to think Sue is any kind of a threat. She is an outsider in the tribe. But RobC would like to organize something to bust up RobM & Amber. So RobM will want RobC gone before he can cause trouble.   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 02-18-04, 11:48 AM (EST) 176. "RE: Sleek28's "boot list"" I also think that Susan as outspoken as she is - has contributed more in the challenges and is stronger.   Top

I_Got_Nutn 897 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 02-18-04, 03:06 PM (EST) 177. "Looks like Sleek's run is over." Q Administrator Posts: 1348 (2/18/04 12:52 am) The sleek shall inherit the earth Sleek has admitted to me that the boot order is false. He wanted to announce this himself, but I don't make a habit of letting hoaxers get their way. He made up a brand new story which is comical, it's about plants and conspiracies and MB actually giving a damn about spoiling, but it's a laughably transparent attempt to wriggle out of the nosedive the bootlist will eventually take, and it did not stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny when I ran it by some contacts (it's a spoiler COMMUNITY, dipshit). This topic is important to some of you so I apologize for ending it abruptly, but hoaxes do not get attention here. Do not start new discussions on this topic. Sleek wants attention, and probably has a few accomplices, so the new rule is Any poster posting or paraphrasing a message from sleek will be immediately banned, no warnings, no questions. To the posters of this thread: go to the MESS Hall and study vidcaps. That's called SPOILING. To sleek: you failed. Well-crafted. Poorly executed. Link Here Yeah, It's a JSlice Majority Whip   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-18-04, 03:14 PM (EST) 178. "RE: Looks like Sleek's run is over." Thanks, nutn -- VS already posted it above. I suggested that the mods lock this now -- we have Munson's thread to use as a butterfly net for other dubious posts of this sort.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-18-04, 11:47 PM (EST) 179. "Lock, Please." The Q in all their omniscience have spoken.   Top

westgirl98 92 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 02-19-04, 03:02 PM (EST) 180. "RE: Lock, Please." please do, enough already maybe hes right but I sure hope not I dont like Rob M or Amber!!   Top

shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 02-19-04, 03:16 PM (EST) 181. "As usual, I was right" ...does this mean I can officially start calling out the various idiots on this board that bought into this OBVIOUS load of crap? For those of you scoring at home, that makes the alltime score as follows... Shakes: 1,275 Ignorant Newbies: 0   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 02-19-04, 03:20 PM (EST) 182. "RE: As usual, I was right" You're not always right...according to some you are "...soooooo stupid!": http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/cgi-bin/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=956&forum=DCForumID2&archive=yes#16 -BbB   Top

ginger 22512 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 02-19-04, 05:22 PM (EST) 183. "RE: As usual, I was right" I thought you had 1,276? Maybe I added wrong.   Top

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