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VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-31-03, 12:58 PM (EST) "Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" LAST EDITED ON 10-31-03 AT 01:24 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 10-31-03 AT 01:19 PM (EST) VO> "Last week, Survivors kicked-out came back and kicked butt..." Michelle> "Revenge, baby" VO> "Thursday, don't miss the first ten minutes...a Tribal Council to vote two Outcasts back in..." JP> "This is a first" RyanS> "I love this game" VO> "Who will it be?" Andrew> "Those misfits have no right to be here" VO> "Plus just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water" Tijuana> "Uhhhhhh" VO> "A challenge will change the face of the game" Andrew(?)> "It's a terrifying thing" VO> "It will take your breath away" Rupert(?) "<breath sound>" JP> "Once again the game changes when you least expect it" VO> "All new Survivor CBS, Thursday" ETA Rupert's pic   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps frisky 10-31-03 1    RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps Devious Weasel 10-31-03 3  RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps Devious Weasel 10-31-03 2    RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps frisky 10-31-03 4        RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps LeftPinky 10-31-03 8        RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps Brownroach 10-31-03 9        RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps KLicK 10-31-03 10            RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps frisky 10-31-03 55                RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps pinchy 11-05-03 125    RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps jkokoj 10-31-03 12        RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps Devious Weasel 10-31-03 14            RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps jkokoj 10-31-03 16                RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps oddout 10-31-03 45        RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps aethelstan 10-31-03 20  Morgan Loses?? O2dawg 10-31-03 5    RE: Morgan Loses?? aethelstan 10-31-03 7    RE: Morgan Loses?? jkokoj 10-31-03 11    Drake loses not Morgan.. my bad O2dawg 10-31-03 13  RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps Blow by Blow 10-31-03 6  RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps TeamJoisey 10-31-03 15    RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps VerucaSalt 10-31-03 18    RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps Blow by Blow 10-31-03 26        Perhaps Devious Weasel 10-31-03 30  RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps Brownroach 10-31-03 17    RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps Devious Weasel 10-31-03 19        RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps Brownroach 10-31-03 23            RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps Devious Weasel 10-31-03 25                RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps Brownroach 10-31-03 32    Superwoman in Ep2 would have to be ... LookeeLoo 10-31-03 54  RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps O2dawg 10-31-03 21    RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps Devious Weasel 10-31-03 24        5 platforms? O2dawg 10-31-03 36    RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps DerangedButSane 10-31-03 34        lightened picture of platforms O2dawg 10-31-03 40        RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps Brownroach 10-31-03 44            5 + 1 Devious Weasel 10-31-03 46                RE: 5 + 1 Brownroach 10-31-03 49  Ten People Devious Weasel 10-31-03 22    RE: Ten People jkokoj 10-31-03 27    Blonds? aethelstan 10-31-03 28        People labelled Blow by Blow 10-31-03 31            RE: People labelled Brownroach 10-31-03 33                RE: People labelled Devious Weasel 10-31-03 35                    RE: People labelled Blow by Blow 10-31-03 39                        RE: People labelled Brownroach 10-31-03 41            Theory DoodleBug 10-31-03 37    RE: Ten People oddout 10-31-03 47        RE: Ten People TeamJoisey 11-01-03 57  Can Drake Win? Devious Weasel 10-31-03 29    RE: Can Drake Win? DoodleBug 10-31-03 38        I agree with your Individual IC cha... toddE 10-31-03 43    RE: Can Drake Win? Brownroach 10-31-03 42    RE: Can Drake Win? KLicK 11-01-03 61  RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps volsfan 10-31-03 48    RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps VerucaSalt 10-31-03 50    RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps Devious Weasel 10-31-03 51    RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps Brownroach 10-31-03 52        RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps DerangedButSane 10-31-03 53            change the face of the game JLude 11-01-03 60  RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps LookeeLoo 10-31-03 56    platforms and another twist?? O2dawg 11-01-03 59        RE: platforms and another twist?? LeftPinky 11-02-03 66        RE: platforms and another twist?? LookeeLoo 11-04-03 120            RE: platforms and another twist?? fishtank 11-05-03 122                RE: platforms and another twist?? Loquatrix 11-05-03 124  The invisible Uncle Cameraman... an... TeamJoisey 11-01-03 58    RE: The invisible Uncle Cameraman..... VerucaSalt 11-01-03 62  Have they Merged? I_Got_Nutn 11-02-03 63    No, merge will be in ep8 forehead 11-02-03 64        RE: No, merge will be in ep8 I_Got_Nutn 11-02-03 65            RE: No, merge will be in ep8 VerucaSalt 11-02-03 67                RE: No, merge will be in ep8 I_Got_Nutn 11-02-03 68                    RE: No, merge will be in ep8 VerucaSalt 11-02-03 70                        RE: No, merge will be in ep8 I_Got_Nutn 11-02-03 71                            RE: No, merge will be in ep8 ExInterper 11-02-03 72                                RE: No, merge will be in ep8 I_Got_Nutn 11-02-03 74                                    RE: No, merge will be in ep8 Ajenda 11-03-03 75                                        RE: No, merge will be in ep8 DoodleBug 11-03-03 82                            RE: No, merge will be in ep8 jump up 11-03-03 96                            RE: No, merge will be in ep8 jump up 11-03-03 97                        simple makes sense to me LookeeLoo 11-04-03 121            RE: No, merge will be in ep8 Brownroach 11-03-03 78                RE: No, merge will be in ep8 Breezy 11-03-03 79                    RE: No, merge will be in ep8 Brownroach 11-03-03 80                        RE: No, merge will be in ep8 Breezy 11-03-03 83    RE: Have they Merged? udg 11-03-03 76    RE: Have they Merged? MizScout 11-05-03 123  RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps dendanash 11-02-03 69  Possible Theories Behind the Caps Goooey_Alley 11-02-03 73    RE: Possible Theories Behind the Ca... VerucaSalt 11-03-03 77    RE: Possible Theories Behind the Ca... LeftPinky 11-03-03 81  Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Drake? Brownroach 11-03-03 84    RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Dr... aethelstan 11-03-03 85        RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Dr... Brownroach 11-03-03 86            Lillian's shoulder patches. aethelstan 11-03-03 87            RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Dr... pmspml5 11-03-03 88                RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Dr... Brownroach 11-03-03 89                    RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Dr... Blow by Blow 11-03-03 95    RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Dr... I_Got_Nutn 11-03-03 90        Whaddya think? Brownroach 11-03-03 92            RE: Whaddya think? Breezy 11-03-03 93                RE: Whaddya think? Brownroach 11-03-03 94                    RE: Whaddya think? Blow by Blow 11-03-03 98                RE: Whaddya think? I_Got_Nutn 11-03-03 106            RE: Whaddya think? aethelstan 11-03-03 101    RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Dr... Breezy 11-03-03 91        RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Dr... VerucaSalt 11-03-03 99            RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Dr... Breezy 11-03-03 102                Chaos in this thread Brownroach 11-03-03 104                    RE: Chaos in this thread I_Got_Nutn 11-03-03 105                        Wedding=Swap? LeftPinky 11-04-03 115    This can ONLY be Lil TeamJoisey 11-03-03 100        RE: This can ONLY be Lil Blow by Blow 11-03-03 103            RE: This can ONLY be Lil VerucaSalt 11-03-03 107                RE: CSI Miami - Survivor vids pdragonfly 11-03-03 108                    RE: CSI Miami - Survivor vids RudyRules 11-03-03 109                    RE: CSI Miami - Survivor vids lroy 11-04-03 110                        RE: CSI Miami - Survivor vids Blow by Blow 11-04-03 117  Is Jon faking it? mavsfan 11-04-03 111    RE: Is Jon faking it? VerucaSalt 11-04-03 112        RE: Is Jon faking it? pdragonfly 11-04-03 113    RE: Is Jon faking it? mistofleas 11-04-03 114        RE: Is Jon faking it? VerucaSalt 11-04-03 116            Doubt it Blow by Blow 11-04-03 118                RE: Doubt it ExInterper 11-05-03 126                    RE: jon wrestler tommiettop 11-06-03 127            RE: Is Jon faking it? O2dawg 11-04-03 119                whaddup with the pegs? pinchy 11-06-03 128                    RE: whaddup with the pegs? Loquatrix 11-06-03 129        RE: Is Jon faking it? ElroyJetson 11-06-03 130            RE: Is Jon faking it? mistofleas 11-06-03 131

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frisky 11695 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 01:03 PM (EST) 1. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" LAST EDITED ON 10-31-03 AT 01:04 PM (EST) Thanks, Veruca. First thing I noticed is that the 10 people running into the water don't appear to be split into two teams. Edited to say never mind. Just noticed the Drake and Morgan mats on the beach.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 01:04 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" But there are two mats, one in Drake colors and the other in Morgan colors.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 01:03 PM (EST) 2. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" I think this is a key cap. I see Jeff, the Immunity Idol, a Morgan mat and a Drake mat, (which means no merge yet), four flag posts by the mats, and ten people running into the water. So no more returns of the dead.   Top

frisky 11695 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 01:05 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" I wonder why the two resurrected are competing in the IC when they already have immunity?   Top

LeftPinky 4150 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 10-31-03, 01:16 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" If the two returnees go to the opposite tribes (ie Burton to Morgan and Lil to Drake) they need to prove to their new mates that they did deserve to stay in the game. If they don't prove their worth, as soon as their automatic immunity is gone, they are toast. This will be a very important IC for the two GT's.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 01:16 PM (EST) 9. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" Because it's a tribal IC. They still have to help their tribe win and thereby avoid TC.   Top

KLicK 316 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-31-03, 01:18 PM (EST) 10. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" Most likely because it isn't individual. They are competing for their new tribe. Interesting dynamic though...what if Burton throws it to get rid of a Drake or something like that?   Top

frisky 11695 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 10:14 PM (EST) 55. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" That's what I meant, KLicK. Since the 2 have immunity, they have nothing to lose by manipulating the challenge and affecting the outcome. If Burton went to Drake, and he's pissed at his tribe, and he has immunity, he could blow the thing just to get one of the Drake's out. We already know he isn't above throwing a challenge. I guess this wouldn't be a concern if the two went to the opposite tribes. I'm starting to think that that is what will happen.   Top

pinchy 200 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 11-05-03, 08:51 PM (EST) 125. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" ...anyone notice the empty pegs on the "crucifix" that Jon bumps into? Were the buffs hanging on these to be retrieved? pinchy   Top

jkokoj 4389 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 10-31-03, 01:24 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" What is on the Morgan mat? I see a dark spot that almost looks like a person kneeling. Also, is that the II next to JP or a person? Actually, there a nine people running towards the mats. I think the spot I see on the orange/Morgan mat is our fist person and I summize that it is Burton. It appears that the II is right next to Jeff.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 01:35 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" If you look at the full sequence of caps at Survivor Fever, it's obvious that they are running into the water, not out of the water. As for the number of people, let me see if I can do something...   Top

jkokoj 4389 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 10-31-03, 01:40 PM (EST) 16. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" LAST EDITED ON 10-31-03 AT 01:42 PM (EST) I see I see!!LOL I was wondering about the impressions in the sand. So the black thing I see on Morgan's mat is probably someone's coat or some such thing. I must be missing one person somewhere running INTO the water. Thanks weasel.   Top

oddout 34 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-31-03, 04:56 PM (EST) 45. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" maybe it is Andrew's coat since he never goes to IC without it. oddout   Top

aethelstan 4435 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 10-31-03, 01:49 PM (EST) 20. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" LAST EDITED ON 10-31-03 AT 01:56 PM (EST) Looks to me like Morgan's mascot, Pelican Pete. Seriously, though, I think it's just Andrew's jacket. -aethelstan Edited to add bit about Andrew   Top

O2dawg 68 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-31-03, 01:08 PM (EST) 5. "Morgan Loses??" LAST EDITED ON 10-31-03 AT 01:46 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 10-31-03 AT 01:21 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 10-31-03 AT 01:10 PM (EST) EDITED TO ADD: DAMN .. in my rush got the tribes mixed up.. you are right DRAKE loses! I think the most telling pic is not shown. On the video at CBS... Rupert is wet and looking quite upset! It looks like they lost. If the one spoiler is true, maybe Jon, with Shawn as the last survivors to depart pre merge. edited to add: Also Sandra looks like she is moving slowly coming out of the water, and not happy. It just has the feel of a DRAKE loss. I can not find the information about Jon and Shawn being the last to leave Conatadora. Does anyone remember where that originated?   Top

aethelstan 4435 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 10-31-03, 01:11 PM (EST) 7. "RE: Morgan Loses??" LAST EDITED ON 10-31-03 AT 01:24 PM (EST) I think you mean Drake. And, with Osten quitting and maybe being kept away from the others at loser lodge, maybe Shawn and Jon are the last to fly out to Condotora. -aethelstan I am a moth. The OT board is the flame. edited because i screwed up my underlining.   Top

jkokoj 4389 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 10-31-03, 01:18 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Morgan Loses??" Jon and Sandra are part of the Drake tribe!   Top

O2dawg 68 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-31-03, 01:24 PM (EST) 13. "Drake loses not Morgan.. my bad" Since I couldnt edit the subject post this is the new post.   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-31-03, 01:09 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" Nice job with the posted clips! I especially like the two-shot combo of Jon being taken down by a post. What's with this guy? So to speculate - the challenge appears to require the tribes to hold their breath and travel a long distance under water. I assume it's either a straight out race, or their goal is to gather certain items and get them back to the beach. Questions I have - Is everyone required to travel distances under water? I only see Andrew, Darrah, Rupert, and Christa under water. These are logical picks for both tribes if not everyone needs to do this. What are the posts for? Why does Jon run into one (I know the answer - he's a 98 pound weakling). Who are the GT members - bust out your magnifying glasses. -P   Top

TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-31-03, 01:38 PM (EST) 15. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" At the same time VS was posting these caps, I was capping and posting my own set. VS beat me to the punch by a few minutes, so my post was apparently deleted. BUT... I have a few caps that are not shown above. Oddly, this looks like eight people, not 10. Unless those little blurry areas are not shadows, but digitally removed outcasts. Maybe they don't want us to know who returns? zoomed in... take your best guesses. Too indistinct to count the splashs. this is what they swim out to, and jump (fall) off. The Rupert shot mentioned previously. These reality show contestants need a reality check!   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-31-03, 01:42 PM (EST) 18. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" Cool blow ups TJ I see T for sure (like that matters) I'm scouting for a uniform here..........   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-31-03, 02:06 PM (EST) 26. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" I don't think they blurred out any of the competitors, I just think they're way too fuzzy to show up clearly on that first shot. Here's the two shots combined with lines tracking individuals from one to the next. I think it's odd that they aren't more clearly clumped into separate groups. -P   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 02:20 PM (EST) 30. "Perhaps" They don’t have to do their tasks in any particular order? Maybe they have to go out to the five different platforms, collect something at each platform, deposit it on the platform where the flags are, remove the flag, and return to shore. That would explain why they are branching out.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 01:40 PM (EST) 17. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" LAST EDITED ON 10-31-03 AT 01:45 PM (EST) This looks like the challenge referred to in the AccidentalTourist spoiler: Sources tell us this superwoman goes on to win another challenge right after the first one. One of the challenges involves an underwater endurance contest where players have to pick up items. Granted this could describe the Ep 2 treasure chest RC, but the information seems to have been presented as if it coincided with the return of the older woman. So whichever tribe Lill is on wins this IC? Edited to add: Gee, it's too bad Osten won't be around for this challenge.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 01:46 PM (EST) 19. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" Of course since we now know that AT’s info was incomplete. Two people, not just one, get back in. So the source could just have known that the person who got back in one the challenge. Which, if each one goes to a different tribe, has to happen.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 02:01 PM (EST) 23. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" It was incomplete information about how many people return, but the sources specifically mentioned an older woman and her performance in a challenge or challenges. So if Burton also comes back, I don't think this information could logically be applied to him.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 02:04 PM (EST) 25. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" But the could have found out that: A. Older woman comes back B. A person who comes back wins challenge right away. and assumed that meant the older woman who comes back wins the challenge right away. So, for a rare once, I disagree with you BR. It could also be a reference to the first individual immunity challenge.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 02:39 PM (EST) 32. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" I hear you. I just get the impression that all of this information concerned things known or observed about the older woman. Otherwise I'm guessing Griffe et al would have been more speculative in writing about it. Of course it could just be all wrong anyway.   Top

LookeeLoo 1169 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 10-31-03, 10:13 PM (EST) 54. "Superwoman in Ep2 would have to be a Drake" Since Drake won the early Ep challenges, for the AT source to apply to Ep 2, a Drake woman must have won it for Drake. Does anyone know if a Drake woman was the key to the Ep 2 win? I thought Ruben did it all. If not, then this could only apply to a later challenge, possibly this one. Who could be labeled a superwoman from what we have seen? Is this a superwoman as perceived by the tribe or by a source? I'm having a hard time labeling Lil as a superwoman even though I want her to succeed.   Top

O2dawg 68 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-31-03, 01:56 PM (EST) 21. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" Team Joisey, thanks for posting the other clips. There is one interesting clip that you posted that is difficult to see. But it appears that there are at least 6 platforms, and not just 2. So is this individual immunity? Why would there be 6 (or more) platforms? And also why are there no tribe colors on the platforms they appear to have white stripes on them. Could anyone lighten the pic a bit? And it looks like there are 2 flags on the platform on the left. Also, the quote that JP makes at the end of the clip: JP> "Once again the game changes when you least expect it" What is he referring to now? Could this be some sort of mixed Individual/Tribal challenge involving the Outcasts?   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 02:01 PM (EST) 24. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" Perhaps each team has to do something on each platform? I think we can pretty conclusively say (even without the info Webby is providing from the press conference) that this is a tribal IC between Morgan and Drake. The Webby info just confirms it.   Top

O2dawg 68 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-31-03, 02:56 PM (EST) 36. "5 platforms?" Well, I think you are right that it is a tribe vs tribe challenge. I can see 5 platforms with a mounted cross and a white line at each end. This could be a challenge like the rope pull, where you have one tribe member pitted against an opposing tribe member at each platform. Or else it is a relay race to move between the platforms and end up at the platform with the flags.   Top

DerangedButSane 6 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 10-31-03, 02:47 PM (EST) 34. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" Here is a significantly lightened version of the pic via Adobe Photoshop .. hope it helps (and that I've done this right, as I've never posted before!)   Top

O2dawg 68 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-31-03, 03:43 PM (EST) 40. "lightened picture of platforms" LAST EDITED ON 10-31-03 AT 03:50 PM (EST) Thanks DERANGED, that is incredible! Great job for never having done that before. This new pic really shows us the platforms clearly. They are arranged in an arc, which I am still trying to comprehend why they would need to do that. And there is one large platform with 2 flags, which again confirms the 2 tribe IC. edited, because I gave credit to the wrong person for the pic.. sorry   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 04:54 PM (EST) 44. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" Are there 6 challenge platforms or only 5? The thing that's jutting out next to the square with the two flags looks different from the others -- taller, and it is not aligned into the arc. If there are 5 challenge platforms, maybe one Drake and one Morgan is positioned on each platform to start. (That would explain why they don't swim out as tribes.) The first two from each tribe dive off, do whatever they're supposed to do underwater, and as soon as each is finished the next person from that tribe dives off. Thus Jon is seen alone on his platform because the Morgan person already dove off.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 05:12 PM (EST) 46. "5 + 1" I think we have five object platforms and one flag platform. An object has been dropped from each platform. The goal is to retrieve all five objects (by following the rope from the platform?), then once that has been done you can go out and get your flag. The first team to bring the flag back wins. The sixth platform is of different shape and size in order to make it distinguishable from the object platforms.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 05:19 PM (EST) 49. "RE: 5 + 1" Ah, so you get the flag and then bring it to platform 6 to complete the challenge. That would make sense.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 01:57 PM (EST) 22. "Ten People" I think. And here they are.   Top

jkokoj 4389 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 10-31-03, 02:07 PM (EST) 27. "RE: Ten People" Thanks weasel.   Top

aethelstan 4435 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 10-31-03, 02:07 PM (EST) 28. "Blonds?" LAST EDITED ON 10-31-03 AT 02:12 PM (EST) Subject line should be: Best guess... Hard to tell if there are any blonds there. There would have to be 2 with Jon and Christa but I'm doubting Michelle is there. Definitely seems like front 5 are men and trailing 5 are women. My best guess: Far left: Rhino, Andrew, Darrah, Tijuana, Far right: Christa (with buff as bikini top. could be Trish but I don't think she has a black skirt) and Lil? (could be Christa) Middle group: Rupert front centre, Burton left, Jon right (but can he run that fast?) and Sandra (longest hair) behind. -aethelstan Edited because of review of Blow by blow's pics I am a moth. The OT board is the flame.   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-31-03, 02:32 PM (EST) 31. "People labelled" Here's my best guess at who everyone is. I based this on the assumption that each tribe would start on their own mat. I assumed that Burton would go to Morgan, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Let me know what you think. I think this challenge is going to kick everyone's ass and the video caps of people looking unhappy just reflects that they're in mid-struggle. Those platforms are a long ways out in the water. I see Rupert not being able to carry his tribe (lousy cardiovascular strength). -P   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 02:46 PM (EST) 33. "RE: People labelled" I really have no idea, except I'm pretty sure the person you have labelled as Darrah is actually Tijuana. The person at the top left seems to have an awful lot of hair; it sort of looks like Sandra to me, though that would indicate they are all mixed up randomly as they head into the water. Maybe it's Lillian if she's back on Morgan.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 02:48 PM (EST) 35. "RE: People labelled" I'll paraphrase myself from above, but if the challenge involves them having to grab an item in the water below each of the five platforms (and then taking that item either to shore or to the sixth platform) then it would make sense for them to spread out as they enter the water, sending one person from each tribe to each platform. I also think the person labeled Ryan O is Sandra.   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-31-03, 03:34 PM (EST) 39. "RE: People labelled" I agree with both you and BR that the person upper left looks like it should be Sandra, but it doesn't make any sense that she'd be so far out in front, and also in front of the Morgan mat. I just don't think it's her. However, if it is, then it's possible the person I labelled as Burton is actually RyanO. I dunno. -P   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 03:52 PM (EST) 41. "RE: People labelled" I think Dweezil is right, because if all the members of each tribe had to head to the same place we'd see two fairly clustered groups of five. The person you have labelled as Andrew is clearly not going in the same direction as the Ryan O/Sandra person. Not saying that IS Sandra, but I don't think it has to be a Morgan.   Top

DoodleBug 5133 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 03:24 PM (EST) 37. "Theory" LAST EDITED ON 10-31-03 AT 03:28 PM (EST) never mind.   Top

oddout 34 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-31-03, 05:14 PM (EST) 47. "RE: Ten People" Are there three or four flags? If it is three, could it be Drake, Morgan, and Outcasts. What is that fourth thing? I think that the II is next to Jeffy. oddout   Top

TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 11-01-03, 00:28 AM (EST) 57. "RE: Ten People" I see four flags, two at each mat. We know each tribe brings two flags to each challenge. That thing in the sand next to Jeff is undoubtably the Immunity Swizzle Stick. These reality show contestants need a reality check!   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 02:12 PM (EST) 29. "Can Drake Win?" Considering the physical nature of the challenge, Morgan might have a clear advantage. The core Morgan are Andrew, Ryno, Tijuana, and Darrah. The core Drake are Jon, Rupert, Christa, and Sandra. One of these two tribes will get Burton, one will get Lil/Trish. If Morgan gets Burton, I don’t see any way Morgan can lose. If Morgan gets Lil, I think Morgan still has the advantage, though it isn’t as strong of an advantage. (Although, knowing he can’t be booted off, wouldn’t there be a strong temptation for Burton to throw his portion of the challenge?) Thoughts?   Top

DoodleBug 5133 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 03:26 PM (EST) 38. "RE: Can Drake Win?" LAST EDITED ON 10-31-03 AT 03:28 PM (EST) I think it's an individual challenge. The tribes arrive as two but are told at the challenge that it is an individual race. The two ghost members are immune anyway, so they sit out.   Top

toddE 1433 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 10-31-03, 04:39 PM (EST) 43. "I agree with your Individual IC challenge theory" Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but it would better serve the returnees and the show to have a day or so with the returning ghosts in their new, separated tribes, then merge at the IC. It would explain 8 people in IC and why both returners are immune at next TC, otherwise only the losing tribe's ghost would need it. Thailand was horrible while the two tribes were "together, yet separate," and the idea was quickly abandoned. Why would they go back to it now?   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 04:30 PM (EST) 42. "RE: Can Drake Win?" Drake has two weak swimmers in Jon and Sandra (so we've been led to believe anyway; I don't think either one has done the swimming portion of a challenge yet). Morgan's weakest swimmer is Tijuana -- she didn't do well in the water in the Osten-drowning RC. Rupert seems to be a much more powerful swimmer than either Andrew or Ryan O. If Drake got Burton back I think they could win if Jon or Sandra doesn't screw them up. (And I don't think Burton will even consider throwing another challenge now.)   Top

KLicK 316 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 11-01-03, 10:43 AM (EST) 61. "RE: Can Drake Win?" If Burton is immune and out for revenge against Drake, wouldn't it make sense for him to not help Drake win the challenge? That way, he is certain that a Drake must be voted off pre-merge, assuring that Morgan has the advantage. It's risky, since he'll need an alliance though. A lot depends on how much Lil/Trish and Burton get to strategize before they go back to their tribes.   Top

volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 05:19 PM (EST) 48. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" I really like all the ideas going on in this thread. However, no one has addressed something that caught my eye the first time I read the voice overs. Why is this challenge going to change the face of the game? The first thing I thought of, is that this challenge was to determine which tribe would get a certain person voted back into the game. However, in the thread about the press conference, MB says that the people voted back in would pull a buff out of an urn! So...any ideas of how this changes the face of the game?   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 10-31-03, 05:29 PM (EST) 50. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" "A challenge will change the face of the game" I've been looking at that vols and the wording is a little strange to me. If it said "A challenge THAT will change the face of the game" I'd wonder if this could end up being II. The fact it is saying a challenge WILL change the face of the game gets me a little off kilter. Naturally I could be reading more into this OR the words or copied down and the word 'THAT' should be in there. Literally a challenge will change the face of the game just makes me say this challenge with new/old members and both being immune here will change the face of the game. The fact it is also saying about breathless makes me question if they have to be submerged and not just guiding along those ropes though but I've been known to read way too much into the nuances of some of these teasers   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 05:30 PM (EST) 51. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" I think we’re just back in the land of CBS hyperbole here. The challenge changes the face of the game because a person gets voted out after it.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-03, 05:45 PM (EST) 52. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" So...any ideas of how this changes the face of the game? Maybe because Drake loses, and they are down in numbers from Morgan for the first time?   Top

DerangedButSane 6 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 10-31-03, 09:50 PM (EST) 53. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" Ok, so absolute pure speculation on my part... (and refusing to put ANYTHING past MB).. Are we CERTAIN this is a standard tribal IC? Usually, changing the face of the game means a change in the teams that we've grown accustomed to. Is it possible that the results of this challenge will change something about the individual teams? Its been established that this is pre-merge because of the two mats... but that doesn't mean that its a standard tribal IC. After the addition of the outcasts, what other changes to the tribes could they make that would be other than what the players are expecting as "fair play?" (No reference to Jon intended there).   Top

JLude 12 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 11-01-03, 02:27 AM (EST) 60. "change the face of the game" Speculation: It's an IC to see if Morgan or Drake wins, as usual. BUT, somehow the way the challenge is played will mix up the tribes. Now each tribe is made up of both Drakes and Morgans.   Top

LookeeLoo 1169 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 10-31-03, 10:28 PM (EST) 56. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" Is it confirmed there are 5 platforms? If so, each team has to send one member to each of the 5 platforms, that would tie in with the tribes looking mixed up. So it's one on one tribe members competing. Changing the face of the game? Could it be only that this is the last pre merge member change? That would be lame, but may fit.   Top

O2dawg 68 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 11-01-03, 00:52 AM (EST) 59. "platforms and another twist??" lookeeloo, lookee above(couldnt resist) in the Derangedbutsane post, he put an excellent clear picture of the challenge platforms. You can clearly see 5 platforms with the centers cut out, and one larger platforms with flags. I was also wondering about the voiceover in the commercial. Especially in what JP says: "Once again the game changes when you least expect it!" This sounds like another twist. They would be expecting the Outcasts to join them, but what is happening at the challenge that changes the face of the game?   Top

LeftPinky 4150 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 11-02-03, 02:16 PM (EST) 66. "RE: platforms and another twist??" What if the winning tribe goes to TC with the losers and gets to vote??   Top

LookeeLoo 1169 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 11-04-03, 07:48 PM (EST) 120. "RE: platforms and another twist??" Very funny dawg. ;) Actually, I did see that, but I was answering another's posted question of why the tribes could be so mixed up. My response was only to answer the mixed up looking tribes at the beginning of the challenge. I have no idea why there is another larger platform as depicted DBS.   Top

fishtank 36 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 11-05-03, 11:36 AM (EST) 122. "RE: platforms and another twist??" I tried to upload the file but was not able to do so but if you blow up the pic of the platforms you will see that the sixth item from the right is a black boat, then another different shaped platform. Why would they need an empty boat?   Top

Loquatrix 640 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 11-05-03, 08:32 PM (EST) 124. "RE: platforms and another twist??" >Why would they need >an empty boat? I think the question should be, "Why would they need an empty BLACK boat?" ;) In that case, my answer would be, "Because the merged tribe has to row it to their shared camp at the end of this challenge." Har!   Top

TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 11-01-03, 00:47 AM (EST) 58. "The invisible Uncle Cameraman... and who's who?" After looking at these shots 50 times and trying to identify who is on the beach, I'm struck by the fact that there are no production personnel in sight. Within the video, there are closeups taken on the beach. Which means that the production people left the beach in time for the aerial shot of the sprint into the water, or that one of the two scenes, probably the aerial shot, was staged. And not necessarily with actual tribe members. We don't have a shot of Jeff saying "Go!" as he usually does, but you can be sure he said it. It's pretty unlikely they started the actual challenge without camera coverage from several angles. They'd want shots of Jon tripping and falling, for instance. Therefore, I believe the aerial shot is faked. With that kind of distance, those could be 10 crew members, although they probably asked the cast to restage the race into the water. Not the first time we've seen this type of thing, and S1's Joel has admitted to repeatedly staging "spontaneous" events for the benefit of the camera. Even reality is fake. These reality show contestants need a reality check!   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 11-01-03, 10:50 AM (EST) 62. "RE: The invisible Uncle Cameraman... and who's who?" LAST EDITED ON 11-01-03 AT 02:30 PM (EST) I hate repeating myself but neener neener I will Seriously, there is no LOGICAL reason to merge these tribes now. If that were the case, MB would not have set up the returnees to return NOW. They MUST integrate with their new tribes or else what is the point? Burton's main story appears to be revenge and what better revenge than to screw Drake? Lillian got screwed because she was in the wrong tribe; she now has the means to get farther because Drake is the right tribe. Rupert's loyalty shtick is perfect to embrace the upstanding loyal scoutmaster. And again for potentially three people to go one TC immune is ridiculous. The question here is which tribe could win this and forget the look on people's faces in mid challenge. Personally? I seem to be a week off with the boot picks and Andrew's demise is coming. Burton is taking his place. I also see another shift with both tribes. Drake was reigning, then Morgan and now I see Morgan beginning to go down a bit. Drake may pull off this win but I say "may" and this could work with the spoiler that the older woman returns and wins this underwater challenge. Though it stated individual, we don't know how accurate this was. Lillian may just have her moment to say "Screw You" to Morgan. Look what I just did. Then again we have the Jon/Shawn flying out last but that seems very vague based on the posts I am reading. Christa is the best bet in this challenge and I wouldn't be surprised to see Lillian doing well. Rupert is strong but he may get tired. You can forget about Jon/Shawn. The Morgans en masse may have more people to do better but again, they are very weak and they are not eating well plus they just suffered a very mental issue with Osten AND if Burton is with them, Andrew's emotional state is NOT going to be very good for the tribe. If Burton goes back to his old tribe, Rupert won't be stupid enough to try and not set things right for him and Andrew will just hope that Lillian is gone sooner than later. Burton could pull out a win for Drake and Andrew go leave that way as well.   Top

I_Got_Nutn 897 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-02-03, 10:28 AM (EST) 63. "Have they Merged?" Do the buffs on Sandra's and Rupert's arm look black? Or is it just a trick of light and moisture?   Top

forehead 932 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-02-03, 10:50 AM (EST) 64. "No, merge will be in ep8" http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/4342.shtml   Top

I_Got_Nutn 897 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-02-03, 11:14 AM (EST) 65. "RE: No, merge will be in ep8" The only problem is TDT references Phoenix and Phoenix references TDT. Neither provides sources. In order for each outcast to get their unearned immunity in a two tribe setting, MB would have to rig two more challenges. This would have the merge happening in Ep9. The promo shows each survivor competing alone. 5 platforms and the 2 flag platform indicate that it is a multi-part elimination. First 5 to the platforms continue, the others "No soup for you!" First 2 to the flags... The Outcasts will compete because if they win they get to carry over their unearned immunity.   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 11-02-03, 02:17 PM (EST) 67. "RE: No, merge will be in ep8" LAST EDITED ON 11-02-03 AT 02:33 PM (EST) Five platforms because two opposing tribemates are competing along the one platform perhaps? This pic of Jon above, there are those crosses are opposite sides of that hole in the platform. When I watched the video of Darrah it appeared like there may have been another rope on the other side of her. Also strange is that there looks like something stuck in the "cross" on the other side of Jon's. The two ropes could be coming from the left of the platform where the crosses are. There are white stripes on either side. Two people may be sharing one platform for their task, i.e. Darrah v. Christa, Rupert v. Burton/Andrew? etc. Don't forget this is not Ep. 8; this is still part of one episode of a three day scenario; we had a day and a night? already. I still contend this challenge is tribal; over a three day period it makes more sense.   Top

I_Got_Nutn 897 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-02-03, 02:38 PM (EST) 68. "RE: No, merge will be in ep8" There is no evidence of head-to-head competition, just individuals. And yes, this is still episode 7. The traditional merge/join episode. One of the three days has passed. The outcasts get one full day to integrate with their new tribes and then the merge. After bringing back voted out players, I don't see what making the most sense has to do with anything.   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 11-02-03, 05:24 PM (EST) 70. "RE: No, merge will be in ep8" LAST EDITED ON 11-02-03 AT 05:27 PM (EST) "There is no evidence of head-to-head competition, just individuals" There isn't any evidence that it ISN'T either I think there is supporting evidence for EITHER situation and MB is not big on evidence either way. Caps are often shown for a number of reasons and a big reason is for MB to try and trick or mislead and not let on too much. As far as making sense haven't anything to do with it? Well, after watching the shows and re-reading a lot of convulated spec of what should and will happen, often times it is extremely simple what the challenge, twist, etc. is. IMO, regardless they brought back players (which after all these seasons, while I don't agree with the premise, MB has to tweak things more and more) I still tend to follow what makes more sense in terms of what this game is about which is the sociological application of the contestants (at least to me) and having the two returnees given ample time in their new tribes, makes more sense to me. But naturally that is just my nonsensical opinion   Top

I_Got_Nutn 897 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-02-03, 07:16 PM (EST) 71. "RE: No, merge will be in ep8" I think that this season we have over analyzed the teasers and tried to spoil the spoilers. A prime example being the Ryan O/Rupert hug. No one could accept that obvious of a clue, but there it was. So from now on, if it looks like a duck... What I see is survivors competing individually, what seems to be black buffs on two survivors, and in this pic There looks to be 3 flags, one for each tribe and one for the merged tribe. I am dismissing the mats because most merges have begun with the tribes showing up for a challenge and going to their mats. There is pokey stuck in the sand next to the Morgan mat (last IC winner). There is JP standing next to something that is most likely the stand holding the immunity necklace. And there are 10 survivors heading out to sea. I think it quacks and has down, but I am just guessing.   Top

ExInterper 3093 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 11-02-03, 07:19 PM (EST) 72. "RE: No, merge will be in ep8" Maybe...but why would the two ghosts compete? They already have Immunity for the next TC. Why bother wearing themselves out since they already have a huge rest advantage over the others? Now if they were trying to "prove" something to their new tribes.... Eh, who am I kidding? I'm not sure what I think.... ExI   Top

I_Got_Nutn 897 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-02-03, 07:57 PM (EST) 74. "RE: No, merge will be in ep8" I had a problem with that too. I thought maybe they would get to carry over their unearned immunity like a get out of jail free card.   Top

Ajenda 12 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 11-03-03, 02:05 AM (EST) 75. "RE: No, merge will be in ep8" Maybe they compete along with the other 8 just to eliminate their chances for winning the II. You know, just as another way to screw the remaining players If one of the Outcasts wins, they don't get an extra immunity but keep the others from winning it. That kinda thing. I could see MB doing this.   Top

DoodleBug 5133 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-03-03, 12:48 PM (EST) 82. "RE: No, merge will be in ep8" I agree with everything except I think there are only 8 survivors running out to sea for the challenge. The ghosts will sit out because they don't need immunity.... except maybe to steal it away from someone else! That could be a twist? A Kyngsladye Original   Top

jump up 17 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 11-03-03, 04:28 PM (EST) 96. "RE: No, merge will be in ep8" > > >There looks to be 3 flags, >one for each tribe and >one for the merged tribe. > I see 4 flags. Each team brings a battle flag with them to the challenge. Jump Up   Top

jump up 17 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 11-03-03, 04:31 PM (EST) 97. "RE: No, merge will be in ep8" LAST EDITED ON 11-03-03 AT 04:41 PM (EST) sorry for the double post. Jump Up   Top

LookeeLoo 1169 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 11-04-03, 07:54 PM (EST) 121. "simple makes sense to me" This is exactly what I have been saying. One on one, from each tribe makes simple sense to me for the tribes seaming mixed up.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-03-03, 10:53 AM (EST) 78. "RE: No, merge will be in ep8" In order for each outcast to get their unearned immunity in a two tribe setting, MB would have to rig two more challenges. J Pro never said each of the two outcasts would get an unearned immunity. He only said it applied at the next Tribal Council. Suppose the same tribe wins the next two ICs? -- their outcast won't get immunity twice, and the other outcast's unearned immunity is not going to be postponed until later. It makes sense that MB would have the merge in Ep 8. There will be 9 people left, i.e. no tie at TC.   Top

Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-03-03, 11:18 AM (EST) 79. "RE: No, merge will be in ep8" I took it to be the returnees will be safe this week and that's it.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-03-03, 11:28 AM (EST) 80. "RE: No, merge will be in ep8" Yes -- MB just doesn't want either of them getting voted out after only two days back in the game. So if Burton's tribe goes to TC in two days, Burton gets a pass. Lillian is already getting a pass because her tribe isn't going to TC. But at the following TC both will be fair game again.   Top

Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-03-03, 01:35 PM (EST) 83. "RE: No, merge will be in ep8" Is everyone sure the merge is next week? I think it's this week and is defined by the wedding. (I thought that's what everyone believed last week.)   Top

udg 3381 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 11-03-03, 06:56 AM (EST) 76. "RE: Have they Merged?" If the buff is on his right wrist, it looks blue/teal to me. -- UDG   Top

MizScout 3 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 11-05-03, 02:12 PM (EST) 123. "RE: Have they Merged?" LAST EDITED ON 11-05-03 AT 05:52 PM (EST) Re: photos on message 63(I_Got_Nutn). Maybe it's just me, but does it look like Rupert's got the dark (purple/black) buff on top of the Drake aqua colored buff? I can also see a little aqua color under Sandra's dark buff as well. Maybe they swam out and had to pick up another buff and this will determine another twist in the game. Possibly not a merge, but a mixing up of the two tribes? Just a thought.   Top

dendanash 47 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 11-02-03, 05:15 PM (EST) 69. "RE: Ep. 7B Challenge Caps" I can't put my finger on this challenge but it looks to me like they have to pull themselves with the rope under the barge, climb up on top of the barge, run across to the other side past the white line. At first I thot that maybe Jon was pulling something on top which was pulling his tribemates underneath the barge from one side to the other.   Top

Goooey_Alley 425 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 11-02-03, 07:50 PM (EST) 73. "Possible Theories Behind the Caps" - I think that the first cap is just a preparation for the challenge. (The two might be cameramen... Who knows?) - They also wear black buffs... - The mats were also being placed during the first merge IC in previous seasons... for formality sake. If it will still be a group challenge, why they are all mixed up? - The challenge will happen on the platform, in the middle of the sea. Probably, a different kind of race where each player has to use the rope as guide to reach their last platform. (I see 8 platforms with two or three way too hidden from the arc.) - Correct me if I'm wrong but did Jeff told the Drakes and Morgans that they will know the returning bootees at next TC? That's all...   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 11-03-03, 07:21 AM (EST) 77. "RE: Possible Theories Behind the Caps" LAST EDITED ON 11-03-03 AT 07:56 AM (EST) I saw five platforms with two crosses on either side, white stripe on either side and a hole in the middle. There is another platform bigger with the flags on it. Don't know if this cap was shown at all in this thread.   Top

LeftPinky 4150 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 11-03-03, 11:55 AM (EST) 81. "RE: Possible Theories Behind the Caps" > Correct me if I'm wrong but did Jeff told the Drakes and > Morgans that they will know the returning bootees at next TC? Jeff said the new members would be joining their new tribe right after their TC, so they should be with their tribes at the IC.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-03-03, 03:12 PM (EST) 84. "Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Drake?" TDT speculates that the colored thing just visible next to Tijuana's shoulder here is one of Lill's scout patches: If so, the left-to-right sequence as they depart their mats looks to me like: Darrah/Rhino/Lill/Tijuana/Andrew/Burton/Sandra/Rupert/Christa/Jon   Top

aethelstan 4435 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 11-03-03, 03:20 PM (EST) 85. "RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Drake?" Damn that's good sleuthing! If the bootees go back to their original tribes, it would make it easier to have the rapprochement that the See-BS misdirection talks about. The only problem I see with your names, BR, is that Lil and Tij would have to swap spots since the blue badge is beside Tijuana's right (her right) shoulder but that's easily done. Does anyone else think that they have put little black circles where their heads are? Their heads are all uniformly the same colour... -aethelstan Suggests that FarmBoy should give his 2 cents worth before Thursday.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-03-03, 03:30 PM (EST) 86. "RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Drake?" The only problem I see with your names, BR, is that Lil and Tij would have to swap spots I realize that, so I am assuming one of the caps is reversed. Tijuana is the most identifiable person in the beach caps, imo, and the person on her right clearly seems to be male, but the person on her left could be Lillian.   Top

aethelstan 4435 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 11-03-03, 03:41 PM (EST) 87. "Lillian's shoulder patches." I've been trying to find pics of Lillian that shows her shoulder patches. On her right shoulder, she has the Stars&Stripes and on her right some blue-inside-red patch. Neither works particularly well but neither does anything else that anyone else is wearing. Could be a piece of buff or a flag? Is anyone seen wearing a buff on their shoulders who are about the same height as Tijuana? -aethelstan Realizes he's spent way too much time looking aroung for pics   Top

pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 11-03-03, 03:43 PM (EST) 88. "RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Drake?" I think this line up is all mixed together - every other person is from the other tribe - I also think MB is sitting back with a smile as we try to figure out who is who.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-03-03, 03:51 PM (EST) 89. "RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Drake?" LAST EDITED ON 11-03-03 AT 03:56 PM (EST) I thought that was possible from the caps of them walking into the water, but here they are standing right in front of the mats so they must be in tribal configuration, imo. Aethelstan, the object in the Tijuana cap actually looks blue and red to me -- it could be Lill's right shoulder-patch and the cap is flipped. Did you find a photo of the patch that you can post? Edited to add: it does kind of look like all the heads are blacked out, though I think this cap is a blow-up, which could also account for some blurriness.   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-03-03, 04:27 PM (EST) 95. "RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Drake?" Lill would have the Dan Beard Council patch on her left shoulder. An image of the patch can be found here (bottom of page): http://www.danbeard.org/ Immediately below that patch would probably be a small gold band (about 1/4 inch tall) and then below that would be her troop number in white numerals on red background. Also, FWIW, the uniform in the picture of Lill posted in this thread isn't entirely consistent with the uniform she wore in the actual game (this was clearly a pre-game publicity photo). In the game her uniform contained a Philmount Scout Ranch (where they raise young scouts) 'patch' over her right breast. The patch attaches to the button on the right breast pocket and is not sewn on and thereby might have been removed for the publicity photo. If you really want to go overboard with this analysis, you can check out a PDF chart of patch placement for female leaders at this website (we didn't have the 'net in my day I tells ya, we had to learn this carp from the book): http://www.scoutstuff.org/cgi/catalog I think there's a chance that the flash of color in the Tijuana picture is part of a buff on another person's shoulder. Besides, we all know Lill comes back into the game and we don't need this little piece of evidence to further convince us. -P   Top

I_Got_Nutn 897 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-03-03, 04:03 PM (EST) 90. "RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Drake?" Here's a good shot of Lil. Could be her.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-03-03, 04:08 PM (EST) 92. "Whaddya think?" Definitely could be that patch on her shoulder. Whichever shoulder it is.   Top

Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-03-03, 04:11 PM (EST) 93. "RE: Whaddya think?" Could also be an old picture of T.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-03-03, 04:20 PM (EST) 94. "RE: Whaddya think?" Well, it's in the web preview for Ep 7B. Sometimes they've included shots from the previous Ep (this one has caps of the Ghost Tribe's challenge victory). But why would MB go back 4 or 5 episodes just to get a Tijuana reaction shot? (Never mind, don't answer that.)   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-03-03, 04:33 PM (EST) 98. "RE: Whaddya think?" Sounds like you've already forgotten their re-use of Rupert's lost spear freak-out in a promo for Ep4 or 5. -P   Top

I_Got_Nutn 897 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-03-03, 05:35 PM (EST) 106. "RE: Whaddya think?" I went through all the caps at Phoenix (no life) and this is the first time we have seen T with the buff on her head. She has always worn it as a tube top or on her wrist. So... it looks like a new pic.   Top

aethelstan 4435 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 11-03-03, 04:45 PM (EST) 101. "RE: Whaddya think?" LAST EDITED ON 11-03-03 AT 04:53 PM (EST) Looks like a match to me. The best pic that I've found was this one from the intro sequence: (bear with me, first time for linking) Lil swimming -aethelstan Love that Spoilin'.   Top

Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-03-03, 04:06 PM (EST) 91. "RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Drake?" First off why is the count on this thread off on the front page? Weird. Second isn't the wedding in this episode the merge? I still think that this challenge is individual, they show up as tribes and leave as merged.   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 11-03-03, 04:39 PM (EST) 99. "RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Drake?" What we are trying to determine is whether Lil is with Morgan or Drake by looking at Tijuana's picture. In the scheme of things; it probably sounds better for two people to make amends that may have had a problem or unresolved goodbye so Lil going to Morgan and Burton to Drake sounds a bit more plausible and I can see Rupert making amends with Burton; would certainly serve Rupert's purposes and I can ONLY imagine what the likes of Sandra is thinking (or Jon)and we already know how Andrew feels about this whole scenario.   Top

Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-03-03, 04:45 PM (EST) 102. "RE: Lillian to Morgan; Burton to Drake?" ? are you responding to me or a different message? Sorry it just looked like the little folder doohickey was under my post so thought it was a response to my query regarding what happened to the wedding=merge speculation.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-03-03, 05:13 PM (EST) 104. "Chaos in this thread" I think VS was responding to Blow by Blow's post # 95 above. I don't know what the wedding means anymore. Forehead started a thread about the merge being in Ep 8, so the wedding is not the merge.   Top

I_Got_Nutn 897 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-03-03, 05:26 PM (EST) 105. "RE: Chaos in this thread" Forehead tried to start a merge thread, but it was jacked by F3 speculation. That's why I put my merge spec here. (That, and I'm too chicken to start my own thread.)   Top

LeftPinky 4150 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 11-04-03, 11:12 AM (EST) 115. "Wedding=Swap?" What if the wedding is a swap? When you get married, you leave your home and join another... could there be a "wedding of tribe members" leaving their cozy beach and going to another tribe???   Top

TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 11-03-03, 04:44 PM (EST) 100. "This can ONLY be Lil" LAST EDITED ON 11-03-03 AT 04:55 PM (EST) This is not: Darrah, who has bare shoulders; Andrew, who arrives arrives in his black jacket; Ryno, who wears his green T-shirt; Christa, who has bare shoulders; Sandra, who has her peach jump suit; Rupert, who wears his sleeveless tie dye shirt; Jon, who is shown shirtless, but has only the dark blue polo shirt. This is not: Ryan Shoulders, whose shoulder would be much higher Nicole, in the infamous blue dress Michelle, who wears a sleeveless blue/white halter top; Trish, who has bare shoulders Burton, who wore a dark blue shirt to the Outkast TC The buffs do not contain that much white. Behind the "patch" area is the boy scout drab shirt. This is Lillian, the scoutmaster. Edited to address the buff question, and to add Trish. (She's so easy to forget.) These reality show contestants need a reality check!   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-03-03, 04:50 PM (EST) 103. "RE: This can ONLY be Lil" I like your eliminations, they make plenty of sense and I think you're right. But isn't there still a remote chance this is a flash of color from one of the buffs? -P   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 11-03-03, 07:04 PM (EST) 107. "RE: This can ONLY be Lil" breezy, BR is right; was responding to BbyB Reason being is that while we know (?) Lil returns it helps to figure out which tribe as well. As far as it maybe being a part of the buff. The hint of color there is at shoulderlevel and it appears it is level with Tijuana's shoulder so a buff being at the very top of someone's arm? Maybe but since it is level, the person may be about as tall as Tijuana and looks more to be color on a shirt just because I don't know anyone would wear their buff like that way up on the shoulder; bicep area yes but it looks kind of high (?)   Top

pdragonfly 318 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 11-03-03, 10:28 PM (EST) 108. "RE: CSI Miami - Survivor vids" Hi, they keep showing Survivor vids for Thursdays show, and one thing that stands out are the buff colors. I don't see the light colors for Drake anymore, instead a dark color - more toward dark purple or black. This was on people in the Drake tribe, which leads me to believe that they already merge by this time. Interestingly enough - last week was the reward challenge, so this week would be the immunity challenge. What I don't understand is why then would MB put the Drake and Morgan's buffs in a container and ask Burton and Lil (assuming its those two), to reach in and pick, which would then determine the tribe they go back to. So then it would appear that the next IC would be an individual challenge and not a team challenge - except why would there be TWO DIFFERENT COLOR MATS? There's so much that doesn't make sense here. Unless part of the IC challenge is to retreive your new buff from somewhere and then race back to a new colored mat.   Top

RudyRules 8360 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-03-03, 11:51 PM (EST) 109. "RE: CSI Miami - Survivor vids" So then it would appear that the next IC would be an individual challenge and not a team challenge - except why would there be TWO DIFFERENT COLOR MATS? There's so much that doesn't make sense here. Unless part of the IC challenge is to retreive your new buff from somewhere and then race back to a new colored mat. Interesting speculation! And the first one back gets immunity perhaps? They could start from their old tribe colored mats. "Them people had to be pretty dumb to make their camp in a riverbed" - Rudy Boesch   Top

lroy 536 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 11-04-03, 00:33 AM (EST) 110. "RE: CSI Miami - Survivor vids" LAST EDITED ON 11-04-03 AT 00:39 AM (EST) EMB puts the two buffs in the jar because the returnees need a tribe to return to for a day. Lil & Burton waltz into their former camps and throw two members into a tizzy… Sandra at the Morgan’s and Andrew at the Drakes. They cause havoc and scandal for the next day and each team prepares for the IC once Tree Mail arrives. It is after the arrival at the IC that Jiffy Pop announces that this immunity challenge is individual. Lil & Burton are allowed to participate because although they don’t need to earn immunity, they can win it away from one of the others… My $.02 cents. ~lroy Edited to correct grammar, duhhh   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-04-03, 12:57 PM (EST) 117. "RE: CSI Miami - Survivor vids" Yeah, I'm agreeing with the scenario you (and others) have spelled out. Since we're now down to ten people, it would make sense for the tribes to merge. And it's particularly devilish that the two outcasts have immunity but can still compete to ensure no one else gets it. So let's take that notion and run with it, assuming one of the outcasts wins immunity, who gets the boot? Andrew - All Drakes could vote for him, but I'm not sure why, outcast from Drake tribe (Lill?) would vote for him. RyanO - All Drakes could vote for him. I could see Rupert orchestrating this if he thinks RyanO is able to fish. Darrah - too UTR to get any votes. Tijuana - also too UTR Rupert - could definitely see all Morgans voting for him, maybe Jon, probably not the two outcasts. Sanda - too UTR Jon - very likely all Morgans would vote for him, but Drakes may stick together with the outcasts, maybe. Christa - too UTR. So I see Andrew, RyanO, Rupert and Jon all being in trouble, but that's not surprising or new. I lean towards Andrew or RyanO getting the boot simply because Rupert has a strong alliance and can probably win outcast support, and Jon is the jerk everyone wants to bring to the final two. -P   Top

mavsfan 693 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 11-04-03, 01:01 AM (EST) 111. "Is Jon faking it?" It looks to me like Jon is faking running into the post. It appears before he hits it, he already has his right hand up to absorb the blow. Too, the position of his legs looks to me like he's preparing to throw himself into a spin off of the Dock. If this is a Tribal Immunity competiton, would Jon and Burton throw it to get rid of Christa or Rupert? Jon and Burton would have to think they had Sandras vote in their pocket before throwing the challenge AGAIN, But Trish said Sandra was the one who first brought up the idea of voting Rupert off when Trish ended up getting the ax.   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 11-04-03, 09:00 AM (EST) 112. "RE: Is Jon faking it?" who knows mavs. Maybe this is his master plan?   Top

pdragonfly 318 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 11-04-03, 09:50 AM (EST) 113. "RE: Is Jon faking it?" LOL I think you're giving Jon way too much credit for faking anything! He wasn't looking where he was going - instead looking across at the other contestants. Perhaps the last one back gets an immediate boot? If they do all merge and have to vote, I think the Morgan tribe will NOT want to vote Rupert off because they know how valuable he is, even though Drake doesn't. And since Rupert has an alliance iwth Christa and Sandra, he may be safe this week. Ryan and Andrew on the other hand...   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-04-03, 10:49 AM (EST) 114. "RE: Is Jon faking it?" The three Jon running/slipping pics could also be his jubulation at Drake winning the challenge. We know he loves to jump into the water, when it's possibe, after a win. The jump looks quite deliberate to me. --hasn't been around spoilers cuz real life got in the way   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 11-04-03, 11:58 AM (EST) 116. "RE: Is Jon faking it?" well I am glad to see you here in the land of unreality misto Agreed, regardless of why, Jon's little curly shuffle there looks funny. Everyone else is pulling themselves on the dock and Sandra smooths her hair back. Jon could be acting goofy and it could be for positive reasons as you suggested. Why fall back into the water? The others seem to stop after getting out unless there is a second part to the challenge.   Top

Blow by Blow 895 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-04-03, 01:12 PM (EST) 118. "Doubt it" I dunno, watching the video it looks like he's stumbling when he hits the cross. I'm betting he's all tuckered out from his swim and his skinny legs fail him. Also, there seems to be a definite "oof" in the video when he hits the cross. Who knows? It would be a classic big time wrestling move. Speaking of which, I'm 100% certain that Jon will be on the WWE or WWF or whatever's most popular as soon as this season is over. He'll be the classic "evil manager" character. I know he already has fans in the wrestling world and Vince McMahon would be a fool not to enlist him. http://powvideo.com/jondalton.html http://www.gatorclaw.com/jonnyfairplay -P   Top

ExInterper 3093 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 11-05-03, 11:27 PM (EST) 126. "RE: Doubt it" I don't necessarily buy it, but he is a professional wrestler (at least that's what he goes by...he'd need to start on the steroids if he really wanted to make it big) and they do know how to take a fall and "bumps." Why he would want to do this is something else altogether... If this turns out to be the Big Lie, I will start getting the angry mob together to storm Jiffy's house before turning on MB. ExI "Let's hope Osten doesn't smoke. He might decide to quit breathing." - Jims02, Ep 7a Summary   Top

tommiettop 60 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 11-06-03, 00:00 AM (EST) 127. "RE: jon wrestler" Actually if I read it right he's some sort of "promoter" or some type of hanger-on in the underground wrestling scene up there in Seattle or wherever. Bottom feeders all, judging from the POW website where jon had one of his scum sucking friends post an obscene rant against Survivor, and call everyone who watches it every name in the book. I took that raving maniac's words to mean jon was pissed to the max at survivor and everything attached to it. Which makes me think he got voted off before his time was up. And I doubt that J Pro really came to have any respect for jon - his statement to the contrary seems to be another misdirection. I can't imagine cbs or MB would have any sympathy for anyone associated with jon's POW site. Nasty stuff Maybe it was another castaway - burton? - who we're supposed to have sympathy for after he falls flat on his face.   Top

O2dawg 68 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 11-04-03, 01:27 PM (EST) 119. "RE: Is Jon faking it?" My first thought is that the survivors have to move underwater between the platforms. I think that it is a very tiring challenge. They are a bit O2 deprived and depleted of energy, so they move slowly on the platforms, and try to regain a bit of energy before moving to the next platform. John could definitely be off balance if he is pushing too hard and dizzy. About Rupert in the video: I really get the impression that Rupert is wet and spent in the small part of the clip. Either he has not faired well in his portion of the race, or Drake has lost the challenge. He is reaching over with his right hand to pat someone, to console or congratulate Does anyone else see that in the video/clips?   Top

pinchy 200 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 11-06-03, 03:22 PM (EST) 128. "whaddup with the pegs?" So what are those pegs for (hanging black armbands for retrieval and reward/immunity?) See the pic with Jon falling into the water... there are (now empty) pegs on the "crucifixes". pinchy   Top

Loquatrix 640 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 11-06-03, 03:34 PM (EST) 129. "RE: whaddup with the pegs?" Yeah, I noticed those the other day, Pinchy -- there's a Sandra shot with a clear view of them in the foreground.   Top

ElroyJetson 586 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 11-06-03, 03:58 PM (EST) 130. "RE: Is Jon faking it?" Misto I was thinking the same thing. In wrestling terms, he's "selling" the move. Kind of like going spinning from a fake punch or pretending to go unconscious from a chair shot. Could this be his response to a Dreck victory?? --glad to see Misto back   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 11-06-03, 04:11 PM (EST) 131. "RE: Is Jon faking it?" It's nice to be back Elroy, thanks! It's this one: and this one: ..that make me think of the "body slam" wrestling move. It's too concise and predicted to be a slip. I think this is another celebratory leap from Jon. His land in the water is too controlled as well to be a slip. --is most likely over thinking again   Top

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