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"EP4: WEB promo"
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10-03-03, 11:13 AM (EST)
 
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"EP4: WEB promo" |
this is on fever (VIDCAPS), probably from CBS.here's the link:
http://www.survivorfever.net/vc_ep4_webpromo.html here's the voice over:
Rupert> "ARRRGH"
VO> "Rupert is America's favorite castaway...but his own tribe is taunting(?) him"
Rupert> "The pretty boy jock idiots, all gotta pick on me"
VO> "How much will he take?"
Rupert> "I'll snap your neck like a damn chicken...hehheh"
VO> "Plus in a new twist, one tribe will steal the other's most valuable possession"
JP> "Now it's gonna get good"
VO> "But you won't believe what it is...and, a life and death situation..."
Osten> "I'm about to drown"
JP> "Hold on to the rope"
VO> "...Will leave you breathless"
Osten> "I need help!"
JP> "Osten's in trouble"
Osten> "Help!" Could morgan win both challenges? could the spear change tribes? Can somebody add VIDCAPS? I suck at linking,etc....
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10-03-03, 12:09 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: EP4: WEB promo" |
Okay, first glance.RC definitely the near drowning scenario. Jeff's clothes are different then the one with the II plus you don't need the scuba goggles for the IC which is Osten is wearing. IC Balancing and pushing a la Chewy/Sucky and lordy be, Darrah our fragile southern belle finally shows us why comments were made about her strength. Doesn't appear there may be anyone left but Christa/Darrah, the pads around them empty. Rupert hugging Christa cuz Christa was their last one and she goes OOMPH as shown in the one shot? And the unexpected reward (revealed after the team wins IC) is getting to steal the other's most valuable possession. Well there isn't much else more valuable than Rupert huh.
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frisky 11695 desperate attention whore postings
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10-03-03, 12:14 PM (EST)
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4. "Two Water Challenges" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-03-03 AT 02:40 PM (EST)Walk the plank for immunity 
Tribes are based on docks in the ocean. Here's Jiffy with Moron on their dock. Why is the immunity idol on Moron's dock? Could this be post IC? ***EDITED to say never mind, both flags are visible and a Drake (Shawn with blue buff around head) and a Moron (Osten). 
Here's Drake on their dock. This challenge HAS to be IC, because they're sitting out Burton again, and he sat out the last IC, so RC must have already taken place for him to be able to sit out another challenge. 
RC is another water challenge. Note that the little platforms are coloured, whereas in IC they are white and poofier. 
Also note that Jiffy is based on the beached in this challenge, without his white hat. He's supposedly pointing out to sea at Osten, who is surrounded by the coloured floaters. 
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10-03-03, 12:23 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Two Water Challenges" |
ty frisky, makes it easier when someone isn't lazy like me and doesn't post what they are talking about w/ the pics lololAnd Christa has a nice new outfit on, reapings from the RC Drake won? I saw a difference in Tijuana and Christa's faces, Tijuana has exhaustion, relief, spent look. But Christa looks horrible and considering the pads BEHIND Darrah/Christa are empty that is a a foreboding shot to me anyway. Darrah is still up there when Shawn/Tijuan go at it and so is Sandra back there. Let's face it, the BIG DEAL about this episode is the unexpected reward following IC and the stealing of the other's MVP. The SURVIVORS don't know about it and the general viewing public DON'T about it. We just happen to know about it. My main question for now is who is gonna get in trouble for this fiasco.
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10-03-03, 01:18 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Two Water Challenges" |
With two water challenges, they may have sat the swimming dogs during the RC and then found out later that the IC was also water based, so had to use Jon and Sandra (or whatever other woman sat out)... Yes, Rupert looks really bummed, did he just get the news that he's now a Morgan???
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10-03-03, 01:25 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: Two Water Challenges" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-03-03 AT 01:26 PM (EST)OK- I know this is spoliers, but I just have to say: This looks like the photo for the book cover of Daphne De Maurier novel. 
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10-03-03, 01:27 PM (EST)
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19. "Osten's near death experience" |
I'm still convinced that Osten is throwing challenges (wasting time by undressing in the first challenge; hiding his boat in the corner during the RC in E3; letting go of the robe in IC E3). I'm sure he's faking his drowning just to make sure NO ONE sees him as a physical threat. But, because Andrew's a dupe, he ensures that Osten stays around into the merge because of his strength. Then Osten wins a bunch of ICs and makes it into the F4. I dunno. I just don't buy this wimp act.
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10-03-03, 06:13 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: Two Water Challenges" |
Or from the Treasure they found feeding the speculation that their belongings are in the treasure chest.
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10-03-03, 01:28 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Two Water Challenges" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-03-03 AT 01:29 PM (EST)In pic 2: It looks like Pokey (IL) is stuck in the same spot as the Drake flag. Maybe Jiffy is on a "neutral" pad.
Edit- I'm having some kind of weird pic post problem.
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10-04-03, 01:40 AM (EST)
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39. "RE: Two Water Challenges" |
There has to be a switch, the title is just too obvious for it not to happen.
I think that what we can conclude is that it does not happen before the IC, as we can see the original 4 Morgan(with Osten assumed just out of view), and 5 Drake(3 sitting out) preparing for the immunity challenge. It does not appear that any tribemember swapping has occured prior to this.
It would be unlikely that both teams would sit out their new tribesmates for the 'new tribes' first IC.
So likely that the winning team does get to 'pick a castaway, any castaway'.
Just judging by the people who are in this IC Morgan should win easily . Only Shawn appears to be strong, for Drake, as we see Christa going down to Darrah, and T losing to Shawn. That leaves Osten, Andrew and Ryan against, Jon, Sandra and Michelle.. uhm... it looks like a win for Morgan. So when Morgan wins, then Rupert is definitely the likely castaway they would choose from Drake. BUT, the bad news explains JP, that there has to be an exchange, or that would unfairly disadvantage Drake. If not that would mean Drake would lose 2 players from one IC loss, and I cant see that happening in the context of fair gameplay. I think that Morgan also has to pick someone to GO to Drake, of the same sex.. they pick their weakest guy, Rhino... and I think that this might be Tijuana crying at the fact she has had to choose and that Ryan has to leave. I think that is who she is hugging in the following picture (I compared the growth of beard and sideburns of Ryan in above picture to the one with T)
My only thought that I can not justify is, how would a switch of only one person be fair to that one person? They would have no alliance back up. If Drake were to go to TC then, Ryan would absolutely be the first to go. And likewise for Rupert if Morgan loses again. Was there not a spoiler that has said that Ryan does not last long, and is a victim of the swap? This might be what happens. Maybe MB justifies his action by allowing Ryan and the other early boots the chance to earn their way back to the game. The resurrection.
Whew.. I think I worked in a couple of theories there...please feel free to pick apart, or 'swashbuckle ' if you like.
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10-06-03, 09:28 AM (EST)
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44. "RE: Two Water Challenges" |
Hi. This is my first time posting here. I was just wondering if anyone noticed in the pics of the teams standing on the platforms. (The ones of Ryon O, Andrew, Tijuana, Darrah, and Osten AND the one of Jon, Shawn, Christa, Michelle, and Sandra)I noticed that the one that the platform Drake team is standing on has the Morgan flag and the Morgan boat, and the platform the Morgan team is standing on looks to have the Drake flag and Drake boat behind them with what looks like people in it. (maybe the Drake's that are sitting it out.) I don't know if this has been brought up before and if not I wonder why they are standing on what seems to be the wrong platforms.
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10-06-03, 02:04 PM (EST)
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48. "RE: Two Water Challenges" |
You're right, Hunter. I didn't notice that myself. The flag and boat near the Moron's are questionable, but the flag and boat near the Drunk's are definitely Moron material. Weird how the Drunk's would be standing on what looks like a Moron dock.Then there's the pic of Jiffy during this competition, where he is on a separate dock with the two flags and the II. 
Maybe the challenge is that the two docks are connected by the planks, and the Morons have to make their way to the Drake dock without getting dumped in the water by an opponent and vice versa. That would mean that the two shots of the tribes on opposite docks is either pre- or post-challenge, depending on which dock the tribe's start on. I would say they are pre-challenge, because they look dry IMO. Welcome to the boards!
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10-09-03, 01:49 PM (EST)
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54. "RE: Two Water Challenges" |
I think you may have hit on something. What if each team member has to get back to his/her own platform and those who do not succeed have to stay with the other team - That would explain Christa and Tijuana's distress in the b/w pics. Then maybe the reward is to take another player and since Morgan probably wins they take Rupert - thus explaining why Rubert and Christa get so hungry they kill a pelican, because they no longer have the goodies on the Drake island.
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10-03-03, 12:49 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: EP4: WEB promo" |
Well, keep in mind that the camera people don't get invovled in the play. We've seen a fire burn down a camp last season. (Don't get me started on why they couldn't put the thing out since they were there at the first spark - suspicious to me really).We've also seen a survivor fall into a fire because they passed out - all caught on film. Did the camera man stop the death of a pelican? No, they just kept on shooting the scene. Who knows if they would let someone drown or put down the camera long enough to save them. Gee, I think I have some hostility toward news camera men!
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10-06-03, 00:45 AM (EST)
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43. "RE: EP4: WEB promo" |
MB was on the Early Show with MIke after the fire incident episode. BM said that the camermen are instructed that if they help the castaways or interject themselves into the game in ANY way (Stopping a fire, retriveing a drifting boat) they will be fired on the spot.
As a cameraman myself (on a much smaller scale) I know that their is a certain amount on detachment when you see everything through that tiny view finder. It's like watching TV. I also know my responsibility is to document events, not shape them. Most camerapeople I know feel the same.
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10-03-03, 01:45 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: I agree." |
If Morgan and Drake are told right after the win that as an additional reward, Morgan can steal a prized possession and that is a Drake member, who do you think Christa would be hugging and Rupert consoling. It really is a no brainer based on the comments Andrew made about Rupert and his winning Drake's challenges that Morgan in a heartbeat would select Rupert and Christa et al have to know that.She looks downright ready to break down and Rupert has a look on his face of maintaining control of an inevitable situation. The situation as it plays out is not going to be that Drake actually through the challenge but the premise that it was contemplated, i.e. the discussion of it ALONE is going to cause such upheaval because their Teddy Beard is gone. Suspicion is very ugly and it would be no surprise to me that the Drake tribe go back after IC, perhaps wait with Rupert to be pillaged by a Morgan member and after he leaves they ALL start sucking down the vino. Lubricated by whiskey, one Survivor creates a spectacle at a Tribal Council that is not to be missed This only says that one survivor creates a spectacle due to alcohol; it doesn't say they are the only one drinking though. If my boy left under those circumstances, I'd be drinking too although they may not all be so drunk enough to create a spectacle. Note also the one creating the spectacle is not necessarily the one who may go either or it may not be resulting in this person yelling or screaming. For all we know Christa could be the one getting drunk and creating a spectacle like bawling her eyes out just because she is a really bad drunk and feels horrible that she blew it in the end.
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10-03-03, 04:48 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: Implications of Rupert switching?" |
If the hidden reward at the immunity challenge turned out to be the winning tribe gets to pick a member from the losing tribe to be switched, I would find it really stupid and unfair. If Morgan were to win it and Drake went to TC next episode the tribes would be even 6-6 because Morgan gains a member and Drake loses two. However its also not fair to the Morgan tribe if they lose the immunity as well. Then next round the tribes would be 9-3 Drake gains 1 Morgan loses 2. Also I don't think MB would even want the possibility of tribes merging 9-1, plus he also probably wouldn't want 2 people going to Tribal Council unless it were the finals(First post, be gentle please :-p)
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10-03-03, 05:58 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: Implications of Rupert switching?" |
Is that Michelle or Trish next to Sandra?
It looks like Michelle to me, because Trish doesn't have dark shorts, but I can't tell. If it is Michelle, we know that Trish, Burton and Rupert sit out the IC. That means three of the following must sit out the RC -- Sandra, Michelle, Christa, Shawn and Jon. I would guess Jon and Sandra sit out of the RC because the RC is a swimmming challenge. BTW, Trish and Burton sat out the Episode 3 IC.
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Nash 437 desperate attention whore postings
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10-03-03, 06:19 PM (EST)
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34. "RE: Implications of Rupert switching?" |
You're assuming of course they play fair. Morgan's down 3... maybe they don't announce until after Morgan wins.
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10-05-03, 06:28 PM (EST)
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41. "RE: Implications of Rupert switching?" |
BR, it is Ryan O. Tijuana is hugging and we know that Tijuana is already ousted by Shawn and there are still players left b/c Sandra and Darrah are standing there still.Christa is probably shellshocked b/c she was the last chance b/c she is last person with Darrah visible in the challenge pic. Rupert looks like he is consoling her b/c he is on his way to Morgan. Rupert is a sweet guy but the way he is holding her and kisses the tope of her head seems very fatherly like "It's okay, it's okay" type thing but in the pic also where he is looking ahead, that is a very stone faced look As far as Tijuana and Ryan O. hugging. It could be she is just simply overly emotional b/c in this cap 
Ryan is smiling. And it looks like there may be someone else in this hug with the way that arm is. On that situation, still not sure but I'll bet the farm that Rupert got told he is a new member of Morgan What follows at Drake is almost certainly going to be major upheavel. Who to blame
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10-03-03, 06:48 PM (EST)
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36. "See the web promo for yourself..." |
Snewser has it on his front page. On the off chance someone doesn't know how to find Snewser...http://www.survivornews.net/ After watching it for myself, I am more convinced that Morgan steals Rupert. After all, the promo starts off all about Rupert. He's the MVP of S7. Judge for yourself. 
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10-06-03, 12:51 PM (EST)
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46. "RE: EP4: WEB promo" |
(Recent lurker who just had to add my own speculation)Remember that MB says the various twists, etc are scripted prior to the season start to keep things 'fair'. What if they arrive for IC and JP tells each tribe to pick a member of the other tribe. The winning tribe gets the person and possibly gives up someone of their choice to keep the #'s the same. Drake would probably pick Sean and Morgan would pick Rupert. Or if it's not announced until after the IC has finished, think of the possible irony. Drake throws the challenge to get rid of an annoyance (probably Jon) and then ends up losing Rupert as well. Don't you think some folks would really end up regreting that?? Wk4 is also when the typical tribe shuffle happens. So maybe the IC challenge is setup with a capture element where the winner of the 1-1 fight in the planks 'captures' the loser and they change tribes. That'd sure be an interesting new way to juggle people amongst tribes. Regardless, it'll be exciting to watch it play out.
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10-06-03, 01:46 PM (EST)
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47. "RE: EP4: WEB promo" |
welcome from lurking  This little scenario Jeff has in store is "unexpected" per the teaser so I doubt Jeff is going to tell them anything about this until after the win (especially since I think if Drake won this IC, we wouldn't even be hearing about this thank you very much) Jeff proudly gives Morgan the II and then in his Jeff way says as I said this comes with an unexpected reward as we did tell you there were going to be twists here. You get to steal blah blah and so forth. However, like all games we must be fair now; Drake is getting screwed here and turnabout is fair play so they have to give Drake one of their members and it should be gender same. Personally I think the whole situation about Drake talking about throwing the challenge is enough. Whether they do or not (which I don't think they will) the seed was planted regardless and the aftermath of losing Rupert is going to set up a huge fracture in the Drake happy camp. And for whatever hinky reason I have, I say this brutal lie does comes into play
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10-09-03, 01:10 AM (EST)
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53. "Andrew - Everyones here " |
The very end of the previews for "Next week on SURVIVOR" shows:Jeff arm outstretched saying "Osten you're ok!"
Osten looking a little frantic says "Need help!"
Then a voice I think is Andrew says "Hang on!" Frisky has posted a series of Pix's with the last 14 showing Osten in trouble in the water. The very last shot appears to be Andrew sprinting towards the water. I remember that in SURVIVOR AUSTRALIA when the were jumping off the cliff into the water there was concern that Kentucky Joe couldn't much more than dog paddle and that it could be dangerous. MB's response was something to the effect of "Well, He's got several folks on his tribe that are strong swimmers. Let's see if they'll help him." So while MB may be correct that there was no near drowining, (Because safety professionals were nearby) Osten may have felt he was drowing, and the other players may have felt Osten was in danger of drowning. I think It's Andrew that rescues Osten and becomes "everyone's Hero". We've already seen Osten talking himself into quitting the game, and if he NEARLY DROWNS, or felt he was in danger of drowning, he may actually throw in the towel and officially quit. This could allow a booted player (Lil) to return to the game.
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