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"Christy's Vote - the reason why"
chillinmcmillan 44 desperate attention whore postings
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05-13-03, 10:32 PM (EST)
 
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1. "RE: Christy's Vote - the reason why" |
I don't think so, I think Jiffy would have clearly explained it to her before hand.
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tribephyl 12393 desperate attention whore postings
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05-14-03, 05:53 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: Christy's Vote - the reason why" |
I've been wanting to answer this question...yes specifically this question! I have a neighbor who needed consoling after witnessing his first "live" survivor. (He had watched S2, in it's entirety, on VHS. Plus the last half of S5. When he got hooked.)
He stormed in my "security door" and with a huge exaggerated sigh ... "Jennnnnnnahhhggg! Argh!!! How'd she win????"
In my consoling, I noticed that I had the perfect answer for him. AND something that I will bring up in all future seasons of Spoiling.The Final Episode.
Who knew that Jenna could go from destitute to winnningest?
Noone other than the JURY!
The jury sat there and watched all of Jenna's "alliance members" disappear. Just when all looked lost for her. She then took complete control. (Rob also paved the way)
She won the most important IC's and then chose the perfect person to go up against.
Unfortunately, we were never shown how she "changed" until this "Final Episode", because it happened in the last few days of their stay.
It is now, completely possible, for a person to come from far behind and than take hold of the game in the last few days. Also... She seemed to be a person who "needed" it more. Matthew, Definately did not!
Dave spoke of his vote, at the reunion, and mentioned the same thing. Matt was less in need of the money than Jenna was, that's a major reason he voted the way he did. (We all know it's not because of his "meaningful" question at final TC.)
Christy also could've been influenced by Jenna's "need".
It is no secret among the "spoilers" that Jenna spoke of her dying mother to almost everyone out there.
This may be one of the better strategies! Tell everyone that you need the money the most. Call it medical bills or some form of a skidrow story, and the MILL. may be your's. You just gotta outlast.
This whole "the complete story isn't told" thing may be the reason most other F2's are harder to predict/spoil. (minus CO and BoDogg). The same reason why some of us choose to go with alternate "un-spoiled" F2's near the end.
I don't know if I answered the question in the clearest most concise way, yet sometimes MB does the same with his editting. But the same thing I was talking about with Jenna could be the reason Vee won. Vee needed it more and she won the last few IC's (or made the appropriate deals). She changed alot in the eye's of the JURY in the last few days. tribephyl
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings
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05-14-03, 06:17 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: Christy's Vote - the reason why" |
First, I don't buy this whole thing that Christy just voted the wrong way because she missed a lip-read.Second, I think there is a piece of the puzzle missing. We don't have a clue how Christy feels about Matt. We really don't. Survivor is edited. The Tribal Councils are edited. We were shown Christy's rant at the Cute Girls, but that doesn't mean she liked them less than Matt. Let's also face a fact that Christy didn't get along with hardly ANYONE during this game. She had a problem with the other women (and not just Heidi and Jenna) in the early going. She seemed to have a problem with some of the guys. She seemed to not be "included" because of her deafness, but the truth is that she didn't include herself with them! I think she expected to be shown some sympathy or help because of her deafness (she even admitted as much), but that desired sympathy was not forthcoming in this game. And I don't blame the others for that. Who knows, maybe Matt called her out on it at some time. Maybe he told her she needs to participate and play the game regardless of her hearing, and she got her feelings hurt about it. Regardless, it's over, Christy's vote is inexplicable, but it's been cast.
  
Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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Skiver 1118 desperate attention whore postings
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05-14-03, 10:49 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: Christy's Vote - the reason why" |
Hi, Dawg,I understand you're a conspiracy theorist. I think we have a conspiracy of silence from CBS on this jury vote. You said "Christy's vote is inexplicable" - but she had her reasons and she said them to camera. They're just not telling us what she - and three others of the jury - said. I know I've mentioned this elsewhere on the boards, but my belief is because the voters talked about Jenna's greater "need" for the money, and CBS/MB chose not to let people know that gameplay had little to do with the result. BTW, Jenna hasn't - as far as I'm aware - said anything about spending any of the winnings on medical bills. Does her mother actually need the money? Skiver 
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Amily 88 desperate attention whore postings
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05-14-03, 11:23 AM (EST)
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11. "Skiver ..." |
Skiver - I saw Jenna on Regis and Kelly this morning and she was asked what she is going to do with the million. She said if she ever won she would buy a new car, but since she got one for winning anyway she was out of ideas. Nice ... I hope her mom made a full recovery since it doesn't look like Jenna has any intention of helping her out. Selfish to the end.
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samboohoo 17173 desperate attention whore postings
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05-14-03, 03:56 PM (EST)
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21. "Vote Explanations" |
Markopolo has posted this, I don't know how to do the link, but it will say something about the Yahoo Platinum for Ep. 13.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings
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05-14-03, 04:00 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Vote Explanations" |
No, the final vote speeches weren't included in Platinum, which is damned suspicious.
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Skiver 1118 desperate attention whore postings
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05-14-03, 01:20 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Christy's Vote - the reason why" |
Hi,I'm sure you're right about Jenna helping out her mother if it ever became necessary. (She's not Heidi, after all). But it would be ironic if her mother's illness got her the million, and her mother didn't need it. I don't think that Christy could have said anything too bad about Matt in her voting confessional, unless there was a rumour going around the jury's camp that he'd said something derrogatory about her. Now, I wonder who would have started that rumour... Yellow hair, big teeth... Another conspiracy! Skiver.
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings
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05-14-03, 10:49 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Christy's Vote - the reason why" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-14-03 AT 10:50 AM (EST)I don't buy the idea that Christy thought she was voting against Jenna either. The more I think about it, Christy's vote for Jenna might make some sense. I think Dawg is right that Christy really didn't get to be friends with anyone throughout the game, so, while she appeared to despise Jenna from the editing, I didn't get the impression that she particularly liked Matt, or anyone else for that matter. Christy felt that she herself was a competitor (though she made some poor strategic choices) and, I think, prided herself on that. She also spoke about wanting to be the last woman in the game -- apparently she would have considered that an accomplishment. I think she viewed Jenna as a competitor on her own level -- female, nearly the same age -- and, as is sometimes the case when personalities clash, she may have actually envied Jenna just a wee bit and wished she were like her. Plus, as she said, she was with Jenna from the beginning of the game -- I think what Christy meant by this was that on some level she saw the game as a contest between herself and Jenna from the outset. She did overtly "compete" with Jenna to get the letter from home, and won that round. Matt may have seemed "out of her league" to Christy, in a way -- male, much stronger, older -- I don't think she related to much about him, either positively or negatively. Jenna, although she was one of the "evil stepsisters", did outlast Christy to become the last woman standing, plus she made it to the Final 2, and did it by winning two key immunity challenges at the end. I think Christy would have respected Jenna's hustle at the endgame, because it seemed like the boys were going to take her out (remember, Christy was worried that the boys would vote her out at F4 just because she was a woman, which is the main reason she considered aligning with Heidi and Jenna). And I think Christy was satisfied with Jenna's answer to her question at the final TC -- Jenna did apologize for giving the wrong impression. Taking all that into consideration, Christy voting for Jenna makes sense to me. They had a competitive rivalry from the very beginning. Christy viewed Jenna's making it all the way to F2 as an accomplishment, something she would like to have done herself, whereas she may have felt that someone like Matt was pre-destined to get to the final 2 without much of a struggle. In that event, Christy's vote was not based on emotion or friendship, as some of the others may have been, but on who played the game better in her eyes.
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ADKer 143 desperate attention whore postings
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05-14-03, 12:16 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Christy's Vote - the reason why" |
I believe that I saw Christy nodding when Jenna answered Dave's question by saying that Jenna tried to emulate her parents and her mother's courage.
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings
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05-14-03, 06:04 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: Christy's Vote - the reason why" |
Rob says in his chat that at no time were the jury members allowed to discuss the vote. Granted, Rob was only on the jury for one day, but as someone who knew all the rules of the game, he was probably well aware of what the other jury members were and were not permitted to discuss before he got there.
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05-16-03, 02:34 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: Christy's Vote - the reason why" |
True. I was not suggesting she was lobbied; merely that she got a sense of where everyone stood and didn't want to be left out again. Maybe she just took an educated guess.
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Darwic 13 desperate attention whore postings
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05-14-03, 03:14 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Christy's Vote - the reason why" |
Maybe the other unemployed survivors were paid off to let promotable and scene stealing(i,m so sick) Jenna win?? Not too many people can leave jobs for 30+ days , and not have any financial setbacks because of it...a great tan and weight-loss won,t pay the bills when the reality of home sets in!!!It seems Matt and Jenna were well off enough to sit in the bush for 39 days and her biggest worry was her jacket being burnt...she too said Matt doesn,t need the money....the common people lose ,again!!
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05-14-03, 04:49 PM (EST)
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25. "Matt Burned Christy - Simple Soultion" |
Please correct me if I am wrong, but Matt, Christy, Rob and Butch had a final 4 alliance. At the family visit, I distinctly heard Christy tell her boyfriend that she would be in the final 4. Matt then stabbed her in the back at the next tribal council where Heidi was saved by immunity (from Jenna). Now, I'm not saying that Jenna and Christy were the best of friends, but at least Jenna didn't pretend to like her and then conspire to vote her off. Matt; however, did! IMO, that's why Christy voted for Jenna, and not Matt.
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Penelope Le Pew 2031 desperate attention whore postings
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05-15-03, 03:28 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: Christy's Vote - the reason why" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-15-03 AT 06:01 PM (EST)It is quite possible that Christy misunderstood Jiffy regarding the vote. As being deaf myself, I tend to misunderstand after reading person's lip. For instance, I thought that she/he said "allow" but she/he meant "loud", because the lip movement looks the same to me. Other words like "Friggin", I thought that it was "fvcking"... I realize I read some people's lips wrong sometimes. So, I tried to figure out the appropriate words what they were saying. If I do not understand completely, I would ask them to write a note what they are trying to say, or even better to get an American Sign Language interpreter. I cannot say whether Christy misunderstands or not because I have not watched the finale yet as Jenna's winning disgusted me! (I found out way later when we taped the show. Edited to say that I do not wear a hearing aid. If Christy wears a hearing aid and read lips, she would not misunderstand that way. I dont know.. 
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05-20-03, 05:53 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: Christy's Vote - the reason why" |
One thing that I haven't seen anyone mention is that maybe Christy feels differently now that she's seen Jenna's private confessionals. We know that Jenna wasn't all that nice to her (mostly not speaking to her), but it may be that having seen Jenna's real personality, she regrets her vote. Obviously, it was too late to change it, so all she could do in post-show interviews was say that she still doesn't like Jenna but felt she played a better game.
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05-21-03, 11:20 AM (EST)
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38. "RE: Christy's Vote - the reason why" |
Regardless of what Christy saw or didn't see, at her boot she was angry to the point of tears and referring to H/J in very unflattering terms.
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05-23-03, 08:23 AM (EST)
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40. "RE: Christy's Vote - the reason why" |
right! that's why it makes no sense at all that she voted for her!
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