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geekboy 1788 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 04-25-03, 09:13 AM (EST) "Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" I have to say last night's episode was by far the best of the season. It is refreshing to see this season have so many shifts in power. If we are all believing the ChillOne spoiler, and the Matt vs. Jenna F2, then last night poses some interesting questions. It has been speculated that Matt must make a run at the remaining IC's. Now, i'm thinking that it is Jenna who MUST make this IC run. Wouldn't it be fair speculation that Heidi and Jenna would be the next to go? Or could there be yet another power shift? Also, what did you all think of Matt throwing the IC to Rob? geekboy   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift? snoocharoo 04-25-03 1    RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift? DoodleBug 04-25-03 5        RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift? snoocharoo 04-25-03 6        RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift? tamarama 04-25-03 14    RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift? Chez 04-30-03 45  RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift? bronzeboar 04-25-03 2  RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift? bananne81 04-25-03 3    RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift? JohnMc 04-25-03 4    RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift? Brownroach 04-25-03 7    RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift? Bebo 04-25-03 8        RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift? Wacko Jacko 04-25-03 9            RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift? DoodleBug 04-25-03 10        RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift? Brownroach 04-25-03 11        RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift? Devious Weasel 04-25-03 12            RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift? Lisapooh 04-28-03 21                RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift? Devious Weasel 04-28-03 23        RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift? ShowMeTheWinner 04-29-03 27  MIssing something? Fast Eddie 04-25-03 13    RE: MIssing something? tamarama 04-25-03 15        RE: MIssing something? Harman 04-25-03 16            RE: MIssing something? dajaki 04-25-03 17            RE: MIssing something? Ra_8secs 04-26-03 18            RE: MIssing something? Fast Eddie 04-28-03 19                RE: MIssing something? DoodleBug 04-28-03 20                RE: MIssing something? ... yep jsanb 04-28-03 22            RE: MIssing something? PrettyInPink 04-28-03 24    RE: MIssing something? j_sen 04-28-03 25        RE: MIssing something? whoami 04-28-03 26        The razor rules Fast Eddie 04-29-03 28            Oscam's razor kiki_k 04-29-03 29                RE: Oscam's razor tamarama 04-29-03 31                RE: Oscam's razor DoodleBug 04-29-03 32                    RE: Oscam's razor Fast Eddie 04-30-03 33            RE: The razor rules mistofleas 04-29-03 30                RE: The razor rules Fast Eddie 04-30-03 34                    RE: The razor rules Ms_Ultra 04-30-03 35                        RE: The razor rules mistofleas 04-30-03 36                        RE: The razor rules VerucaSalt 04-30-03 37                            RE: The razor rules mistofleas 04-30-03 38                    At worst, Matt is learning fast Thaibeach 04-30-03 39                        RE: At worst, Matt is learning fast DoodleBug 04-30-03 40                        RE: At worst, Matt is learning fast Devious Weasel 04-30-03 41                            RE: At worst, Matt is learning fast Thaibeach 04-30-03 42                                RE: At worst, Matt is learning fast Devious Weasel 04-30-03 43                                    RE: At worst, Matt is learning fast Thaibeach 04-30-03 44

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snoocharoo 1 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 04-25-03, 09:42 AM (EST) 1. "RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" Great episode and not a moment too soon, I nearly gave up watching because it's been like the Hugh Hefner version of Survivor. Rob's redemtion was cunning and brilliant, although he probably shot himself in the foot by turning tail on his alliance, but hey he took a chance and it paid off for this week. Matt was AWESOME!!! I really like this guy. He's so bizarre, twisted, intelligent and exudes power. I do believe the CO spoiler now about the "athletically built guy" and his placement in the F2 fulfills the theme of irony that has been threaded through this game. No one thought Matt would make it, his head was on the chopping block many, many times but he somehow he hung on and took control. Beautiful, beautiful irony. Thank YOU MB!! At this point he may not need to go on an IC run because he's pulling a Porno Brian. he's got Butch securely in his back pocket and Christy will stick by him too as it has become obvious she despises Jenna and Heidi. Rob is still rather wishy-washy but by proxy (of turning tail on his alliance) he's endentured himself to Matt. Heidi and Jenna most likely are gunning for Rob now out of revenge. So out of the remaining Survivors Matt is controlling 3. This means that for Jenna to make the F2 SHE has to go on an IC run. "Intoxicated with the madness, I'm in love with my sadness"   Top

DoodleBug 5133 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-25-03, 12:55 PM (EST) 5. "RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" "....and his placement in the F2 fulfills the theme of irony that has been threaded through this game. No one thought Matt would make it, his head was on the chopping block many, many times but he somehow he hung on and took control. Beautiful, beautiful irony. Thank YOU MB!!" The other bit of irony is the student becoming the leader/teacher. Matt said in the beginning that he doesn't have a clue how to play survivor. Now Matt is teaching Butch how to play the game. Obi Wan-Master-Survivor Player-Rob has taught you well! Matt surely looked like he had a BIG clue last night! In the words of Paula Abdul... "You reedemed yourself from last week. Good for you, Matt!!"   Top

snoocharoo 1 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 04-25-03, 12:56 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" he's breakin out some jedi mind tricks on these hosers. "Intoxicated with the madness, I'm in love with my sadness"   Top

tamarama 1785 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 04-25-03, 05:03 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" Because he's learned so well, I'd love to see what he'd do on the all-star Survivor! I think he'd be a very intelligent UTR player if he got to do it again (not that he's doing badly now!)   Top

Chez 777 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 04-30-03, 09:14 PM (EST) 45. "RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" Snooch-your post about Matt reminds me of a great greeting card I once sent someone... (front) "You're bizarre, twisted and sick..... (inside) "I like that in a person."   Top

bronzeboar 12 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 04-25-03, 10:32 AM (EST) 2. "RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" Yeah, It was obvious that Matt threw that last question. I wonder if/when Rob will realize that and what he will do with that act of kindness. I can't imagine Jenna winning anymore IC's. The one she did win was because she was in the power clique of the moment. However, if CO is correct that would have to happen. I am hoping that he is not. I would rather see Mat and Christy go F2, with Christy getting the final victory. I will be unhappy if either Boobsie (Helga, I mean Heidi) or Bimborella (Jenna) wins this thing. It has been hard to watch the last two weeks with the "jr.high school" crowd running things.   Top

bananne81 22 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 04-25-03, 11:02 AM (EST) 3. "RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" Did anyone think that Matthew purposefully answered himself as the sexiest to LOSE the immunity challenge? He cannot think he is the sexiest and getting the answer right meant a tie between him and Rob. Did he give it to Rob in exchange for the Alex vote? Is he smarter than we think? Long time reader, first time writer   Top

JohnMc 2679 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 04-25-03, 12:35 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" Did anyone think that Matthew purposefully answered himself as the sexiest to LOSE the immunity challenge? He cannot think he is the sexiest and getting the answer right meant a tie between him and Rob. That's exactly what I thought when I watched that. He is observant, and he know what people think of him. He knows people think he needs therapy (either in a real or simply an amusing way), but he knows that Sticks and Twigs are the sex twins. (See ep7 IC.) He also knows that Rob needed immunity and felt he had a strong chance of winning because of his observational skills and because he has gotten to know many of the tribemates. However, Matt also is wise enough to stay under the radar. He could have forced a tie, but he's actually quite wise to let Rob win. It keeps him UTR, but it also sends a signal to Rob to say that he could have won just about any of the ICs (except, of course, the one where Dave lost) and he can win any of the ones coming up if he wants to. Saturn congratulates, Matthew Von Ertfelda, on not winning this week's immunity challenge.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-25-03, 01:14 PM (EST) 7. "RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" Did he give it to Rob in exchange for the Alex vote? Absolutely, It was a risk for Matt to give up immunity, but it was a brilliant tactic to show solidarity with Rob and probably psych him out a little too. It was also very cunning of Matt not to mention to Rob that he and Butch were planning to recruit Rob anyway, when Rob came to Matt with the "Alex-turned-on-me" story and admitted that he'd lied. The net result was that it looks like Matt did Rob a huge favor, instead of the other way around. Rob needs Matt more than Matt needs Rob now. Matt is much MUCH smarter than we'd been shown previously.   Top

Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-25-03, 02:02 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" Did anyone think that Matthew purposefully answered himself as the sexiest to LOSE the immunity challenge? Yes. And by doing so, Matt shut down the communication network for the other side. Since he was the choice if he didn't win immunity, there was no need for them to get together and discuss an alternate. If Matthew had won immunity, then H/J/A/R would have had to pick an alternate bootee - and Rob could have been convinced to go along with that one. But since Matthew was available, there was no need to discuss a plan, since everyone knew who the planned target was. Bebo says...919 beats 205 - I am your American Idol and the Baroness of Babedom.   Top

Wacko Jacko 2438 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model" 04-25-03, 02:27 PM (EST) 9. "RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" Don't get me wrong. I am one of the biggest Matt supporters. Even picked him to win the whole thing since the beginning, but Matt did not lose that immunity challenge on purpose. Or at least he didn't answer himself as the 'sexiest' person to lose the challenge. A little background on Matt for you all. Matt was named one of People Magazines Most Eligible Bachelors last year. Even in his audition tape Matt brags about this. If any of you got the free Saturn Survivor Amazon DVD it is on that DVD. I am quite sure Matt truly believes he is 'sexy' and believe others feel the same way.   Top

DoodleBug 5133 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-25-03, 02:30 PM (EST) 10. "RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" Well even if Matt does think he is sexy, Bebo's reasoning was brilliant! No need to discuss.... they all voted for Matteo and Rob's deception was kept a secret until the votes were read.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-25-03, 03:32 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" That's an excellent point, Bebo! It minimized the possibility that Rob would be pulled into another boot conversation with A/J/H, thus minimizing the possibility that he would change his mind. I wouldn't be surprised if Matt realized that too.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-25-03, 03:35 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" I'm another huge Matt fan, but I'm not sure he threw the challenge. And the question wasn't sexiest, but who was the Survivor that the most people had a crush on.   Top

Lisapooh 12664 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-28-03, 01:12 PM (EST) 21. "RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" whether he thinks he's sexy or not, the question was who do you have a crush on. There are more men (and the men's hormones have clued us in that they're hetero) than women left in the game, it makes more sense to pick a female since their would be more votes going towards a woman than a man. I think he blew it on purpose. He can't think they have crushes on him since he talks about how they all think he is wierd and he sees them fawning over Alex. Bebo's reasoning is the most logical explanation which is why I *heart* her so.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-28-03, 02:12 PM (EST) 23. "RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" The would be more votes for a woman than a man, but not necessarily for the same woman. One might assume that there would be no more than 2 votes for any one of the women, but that all three women might have a crush on the same man.   Top

ShowMeTheWinner 962 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 04-29-03, 06:33 AM (EST) 27. "RE: Matt vs. Jenna, power shift?" As much as I love Matt, I must say that I don't think Matt threw the IC. And I know I'm right because of one ultimate reason that surpasses any other arguments: The CBS hype machine didn't come up with a blurb that says "And one Survivor is convinced he should throw a challenge". Kathy O'Brien... The Sole Survivor! (I'd rather be delusional)   Top

Fast Eddie 625 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 04-25-03, 03:55 PM (EST) 13. "MIssing something?" Am I missing something here? All along Matt appears to have been the most clueless contestant since Amber. He even said as much in one of his confessional interviews yesterday, where he would have no reason to hide his playing ability. If this guy is even a fraction of the mastermind you folks seem to think he is, he deserves not only the $million, but also an Emmy. Or else MB deserves one for Best Editing. He still seems totally clueless to me. Maybe he'll figure things out at the last moment, or luck in. But so far, I haven't seen any evidence of any game skill.   Top

tamarama 1785 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 04-25-03, 05:18 PM (EST) 15. "RE: MIssing something?" Matt's not painting himself as a master player, but he's been showing some amazing insight, especially last night. To come in thinking that all you need to do is build a fire & fish, he's pretty impressive at reading his present situation.   Top

Harman 9 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 04-25-03, 05:29 PM (EST) 16. "RE: MIssing something?" I think Matteo is like a super-intelligent alien being. His smarts are just out of synch with everyone else, but his depth is unbelievable. I believe he threw the IC not out of kindness to Rob, but to ensure that he would not have the immunity, therefore not forcing the High School Four to need to get together to target someone else. Very calculated risk, and ultimately successful. Who else was touched by Rob's seeming humanity when he spilled his guts to Matt? For a moment, and also later on in the same episode, you could see the lonely teenager peering out through those eyes. Oh yeah: I would not want to be hunted by Matteo. I'd probably end up dying just from the fear. Harman An Ally In The Other World   Top

dajaki 1454 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 04-25-03, 05:53 PM (EST) 17. "RE: MIssing something?" LOL Harman! Welcome to the boards!   Top

Ra_8secs 1081 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 04-26-03, 11:37 AM (EST) 18. "RE: MIssing something?" Agree, Harman, and welcome. I think Matthew has a combination of subtleness and humility in his play and a keen sense of what's making the other survivors tick. Rob, I think, mentioned this in a confessional, about understanding the motivations of the other players. Rob does have that, but Matthew has it better. Matthew, in my humble opinion, has a keen idea of the dynamics of the shifting alliances and who the vulnerable and top-dog targets are. He's confident about skating around the vulnerable position, and with his IC intentional fades, confident about his IC and leadership abilities. He's definitely F2. Spoilers have Jenna, but I see Christy there with him. -- Ra, Spinning in geo/helio eccentric orbit   Top

Fast Eddie 625 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 04-28-03, 09:28 AM (EST) 19. "RE: MIssing something?" >I think Matteo is like a >super-intelligent alien being. His smarts >are just out of synch >with everyone else, but his >depth is unbelievable. I believe >he threw the IC not >out of kindness to Rob, >but to ensure that he >would not have the immunity, >therefore not forcing the High >School Four to need to >get together to target someone >else. Very calculated risk, and >ultimately successful. Are you kidding? Very stupid risk. He knew he was a target. If he purposefully threw the IC he would have to trust Rob completely - a very doubtful proposition. If indeed he had such plans as you're suggesting, he could have accomplished them far better and with much less risk by winning IC and then handing the necklace to Rob at TC. His depth is unbelieveable? I'll say. I've seen deeper concrete. You guys are putting us on with this, right?   Top

DoodleBug 5133 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-28-03, 11:03 AM (EST) 20. "RE: MIssing something?" LAST EDITED ON 04-28-03 AT 11:04 AM (EST) I guess it's just a matter of perception and opinion. I was very impressed with Matt in the last episode. I thought he was being edited as a dimwit but really had a plan up his sleeve. He might not have had a clue, but he has one now... so it seems. His conversation with Butch and the limited information he provided to Rob during their conversation was great! You have to agree with that much. Welcome, Harman, to the board! Edited for spelling   Top

jsanb 178 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 04-28-03, 02:00 PM (EST) 22. "RE: MIssing something? ... yep" I have to agree with Harmon. Great post btw, and welcome. I thought the same thing when I watched it the first time(and will re-watch to verify my reaction) that Matt threw the IC to Rob to solidify a "new" alliance of 4. Matt SEEMED smart enough suddenly to realize that he will not be able to win every IC and if he can't convince Rob now to join the misfits, that all the misfits are gone. Peanut Butter Jeff A Disciple of Nash   Top

PrettyInPink 85 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 04-28-03, 03:04 PM (EST) 24. "RE: MIssing something?" Excellent post, Harmon! Great insight, and I completely agree! "His name is Blane??? That's a major appliance, that's not a name!!"   Top

j_sen 2 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 04-28-03, 08:23 PM (EST) 25. "RE: MIssing something?" I've been lurking here all season watching some impressive logic being worked out of very small tidbits of information and I may finally have a tidbit of my own to contribute. I believe that a feature of the non-competitive game theory that JP referred to last season is that the outcome is predictable if all players make the moves that are most advantageous to them. This assumes that all players are rational. In ep4, after his original alliance blows up in his face, Matteo is said to come up with a different strategy. From that point on he becomes a major, silent contributor to the tribe but he also becomes withdrawn, somewhat aloof, and eventually, irrational. This makes it extremely hard for the other players to figure out what he will do next, possibly fouling up their plans. As Matt is a possible winner of this game he may be the target of JP's comment and may be the one who understands game theory, even though he doesn't show it. He may be weird or he may be brilliant. The scary thing is he could be both.   Top

whoami 2936 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 04-28-03, 10:24 PM (EST) 26. "RE: MIssing something?" You maybe right, Matt has come up with a brilliant way to play the game. He may have from the start been playing the game by not telling anyone how much he realy knows about it and not even telling anyone even in his confessionals there by keeping the producers in the dark also. That would make him a nonconventional player.   Top

Fast Eddie 625 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 04-29-03, 03:06 PM (EST) 28. "The razor rules" Ever heard the quote: "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity." If someone cuts you off, maybe he's being nasty (malice), or maybe he's just a bad driver (stupidity). Maybe Matt is super-brilliant and is hiding it very effectively from the other players, and the audience. Or maybe he's clueless. I've read two explanations on this thread as to why he threw the IC, neither making much sense. Perhaps it is some kind of complicated strategy. Or perhaps he didn't throw anything; he just blew it and he has no idea what he's doing. There's another saying used frequently in math and physics: razor, which says that the simplest explanation is usually correct. I'll be watching much more intently on Thurs, but for now, I'll stick with simple.   Top

kiki_k 1444 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 04-29-03, 03:19 PM (EST) 29. " Oscam's razor " LAST EDITED ON 04-29-03 AT 04:37 PM (EST) >There's another saying used frequently in >math and physics: razor, >which says that the simplest >explanation is usually correct. >I'll be watching much more >intently on Thurs, but for >now, I'll stick with simple. It's Occam's razor. edit for typo that tam and doodlebug were quick to catch. compliments of GeorgiaBelle Beauty Product Queen of the Boards   Top

tamarama 1785 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 04-29-03, 04:21 PM (EST) 31. "RE: Oscam's razor " Don't mean to be a pedant... It's Occam's razor   Top

DoodleBug 5133 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-29-03, 04:25 PM (EST) 32. "RE: Oscam's razor " Actually it's Occam's Razor   Top

Fast Eddie 625 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 04-30-03, 08:55 AM (EST) 33. "RE: Oscam's razor " Thanks for the reminder. I couldn't remember the name so I wrote the word "somebody's" and put it in square brackets. Somehow the brackets and contents disappeared.   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-29-03, 03:27 PM (EST) 30. "RE: The razor rules" Fast Eddie, you said this in a post above:Are you kidding? Very stupid risk. He knew he was a target. If he purposefully threw the IC he would have to trust Rob completely - a very doubtful proposition. Matt has said over and over again that Rob is the one he trusts. Why wouldn't he hand the IC to him? Rob had come to him earlier and confessed his lies up to date. Matt basically said "water under the bridge" and "I trust you". Matt then gives the IC to Rob to prove that he trusts him and cementing that Rob will vote with the misfits. Maybe Matt is super-brilliant and is hiding it very effectively from the other players, and the audience. Or maybe he's clueless. I think it's both. He's brilliantly clueless. Some people just have that kind of luck where choices they make always seem to work out perfectly no matter how off the mark others may think that choice is. I mean really, we've all watched Rob drag Matt around and pull his strings. Matt has "do de do de doh'd" through it all and kept trusting Rob. We've been screaming at our TV screens "Matt you idiot, can't you see what Rob's doing? You're a fool!!" Well, look at the fool, he's got Rob in HIS pocket now. --thinks Matt has a very Zen like quality about him   Top

Fast Eddie 625 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 04-30-03, 09:38 AM (EST) 34. "RE: The razor rules" >Matt has said over and over >again that Rob is the >one he trusts. Why >wouldn't he hand the IC >to him? ... Matt >then gives the IC to >Rob to prove that he >trusts him and cementing that >Rob will vote with the >misfits. 1. If he really trusts anyone - especially a proven backstabber - he's clueless, not brilliant. 2. Since Rob was not under any threat, handing him immunity couldn't really be worth very much. Rob doesn't seem the type to reward someone for a low-value gift - or any gift in this game. 3. He could always have done it at TC, giving him a chance to back out if Rob appeared to have wavered. 4. If he thought what you say, he couldn't get the brownie points unless Rob knew of the gesture, i.e., he'd have to let Rob know he was actually doing this, rather than Rob thinking he won it on his own. I saw nothing to indicate that Rob felt that Matt had thrown it to him. >I think it's both. He's >brilliantly clueless. Some people >just have that kind of >luck where choices they make >always seem to work out >perfectly no matter how off >the mark others may think >that choice is. You're right, but I see nothing brilliant about luck. And I don't see that Matt has actually made a lot of choices. The decisions have been handed to him; he hasn't really had any alternatives. >I mean really, we've all watched >Rob drag Matt around and >pull his strings. ... >Well, look at the fool, >he's got Rob in HIS >pocket now. But does he know it? If something lands in a fool's pocket without the fool knowing it, especially if the fool did nothing consciously to make it land there, he's still a fool. Let's see if he realizes his luck and does something intelligent with it.   Top

Ms_Ultra 16 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 04-30-03, 10:12 AM (EST) 35. "RE: The razor rules" >You're right, but I see nothing >brilliant about luck. And >I don't see that Matt >has actually made a lot >of choices. The decisions have >been handed to him; he >hasn't really had any alternatives. I think Matt has made a lot of choices....we just don't see them due to editing. Perhaps Matt didn't have this grand 'Master Plan' as Rob and some others may have had BUT he certainly has taken advantage of events as they occur. His early friendship with Ryan/Daniel wasn't a go so he decides to go UTR for a while. He saw the lazy one falls, he saw the bossy one go, and now he sees the leaders fall....he's decided not to be lazy, to be bossy, or to be the leader. Matt saw a chance to swing the tide his way (by getting rid of Alex) and decided throwing IC to Rob would help. Matt knew Rob would vote either Alex or Matt....what did Alex do to convince Rob to vote for Matt.......he tells Rob he's going to vote him out in F4 (hello, not too bright there), while Matt tosses Rob IC. Yeah, Rob didn't need IC but he did need to see some gesture that Matt was with him. Matt may not know how to play Survivor but he certainly hasn't gotten this far without doing something right.   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-30-03, 10:24 AM (EST) 36. "RE: The razor rules" Welcome Ms_Ultra to the wonderful wacky world of spoilers! Matt may not know how to play Survivor but he certainly hasn't gotten this far without doing something right. Here here girlfriend! We must also remember that Burnet wants everyone to believe that Matt is the ultimate clueless Survivor player newbie. How many times have we heard either Matt or one of the other players saying Matt hasn't ever watched Survivor, he doesn't know how the dynamics work blah..blah..blah. This would be the ultimate..."see you don't have to be a schemer to win this game" ending. The regular viewing audience will like seeing someone soft-spoken and "underdogish" win the game against someone who is devious and conniving (Rob) or a spoiled little, "I should win because I'm beautiful" sex kitten (Jenna). Editing has played a big part in what we haven't seen of Matt. He's not quite as clueless anymore but Burnet doesn't want the regular Joe viewing audience to know it. --begs the powers that be to let Matt win   Top

VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 04-30-03, 10:32 AM (EST) 37. "RE: The razor rules" Little off topic sorry, kind of struck me. In a little bit of way Matt reminds me of Kathy. Matt was seriously close to being on the hot seat a few times like Kathy. They at times were both looked upon as wacked in a way (Kathy more b/c of her over the top emotionalism) They were never really part of the "in group" managed to be saved by the switch (Matt was extremely friendly with the first two male boots and Kathy was seriously close to be axed prior to switching over) Both were hard workers but their work ethic was overshadowed but other parts of their personality. And both were seriously getting rooted on by the audience after we saw a "change" in their "character" What the difference may be here since Matt supposedly is in the final two is that while Kathy put her trust in her relationship with Pappy and Neleh and then just Neleh much to her demise so to speak, Matt may in effect at the final three have the same scenario with Butch and Jenna (if indeed Jenna) and choose the person he can have a better shot against instead of sticking with his bond/alliance with Butch in essence the anti of Kathy. This actually would have the student of the master (Rob) come full circle that he has learned the game well. I just found some interesting parallels between Matt and Kathy   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-30-03, 10:37 AM (EST) 38. "RE: The razor rules" I know what you mean Veruca. A couple of people have mentioned this similarity before and I can't believe that MB wouldn't have noticed it either and taken full advantage in his editing. I've mentioned someplace on here that Matt has a very Zen like quality about him *waves at dabo* and it would be a fitting character "rounding" to have him pick Jenna (agreed, if indeed Jenna) over either Butch or Christy. --shucks a few hundred Wonka bars to find Veruca her golden ticket   Top

Thaibeach 872 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 04-30-03, 11:00 AM (EST) 39. "At worst, Matt is learning fast" I think he has been to some extent, clueless - but he's finally playing the game. Sure, he may have had some dumb luck - but he definitely threw that IC. He and Rob were tied up to the last question, which was (to paraphrase): Which survivor do you have a crush on? with the contestants trying to guess the most popular answer among the group (which may or may not be his/her own answer). Do you seriously think that Matt believes that a majority of the group would answer him as the "crush"? With 2 bimbos like H/J around? Even if they're not his type, either of them would be an obvious answer. I think Matt threw the IC primarily as a gesture of trust, and just maybe a test, for Rob. If Rob turned around and backstabbed him again, WTF, no big deal, he was going anyway. But if Rob was waffling about which way to vote, after Matt threw the IC to Rob, Rob would know that Matt was truly in Rob's corner and not about to backstab him. (At least not yet, though Lord knows Rob has it coming.)   Top

DoodleBug 5133 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-30-03, 11:16 AM (EST) 40. "RE: At worst, Matt is learning fast" I think it was Bebo who was so brilliant to point out that Matt could have thrown the IC so the cute crowd didn't have to have a meeting to discuss an alternate boot. Matt and Rob both knew they (A/H/J) were going to vote for Matt. With Matt not winning immunity, all systems were GO to vote for Matt. No need to discuss. Rob could just sit quietly and nod while they discussed voting for Matt. Now that I'm thinking about it... Rob could have told Matt to throw the challenge. Rob knew he had it in the bag. He knew he was going to do well because he knew how self-centered the cute alliance was and knew how they would answer the questions. Rob could have told Matt to let him win.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-30-03, 11:22 AM (EST) 41. "RE: At worst, Matt is learning fast" As I tried (inadequately) to point out elsewhere in this thread, it’s not entirely unreasonable for Matt to assume that he was the person most people had a crush on. To wit, there were four men voting, but it is likely the votes were spread over all three women. In that case, the most votes any one woman would have gotten would be two. There were three women voting, but it would be reasonable for a person to assume that Butch and Rob weren’t getting any votes from anyone, so that the only people getting the three votes would be Matt and Alex. Extrapolatin’ further, Matt could assume that because Jenna and Heidi were visibly hanging with Alex, they might have secret crushes on him. Therefore, assuming that he might get all three female votes, while any single woman would only get a max of two votes, isn’t out of the question. I wonder who Christy voted for? - A GeorgiaBelle original   Top

Thaibeach 872 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 04-30-03, 11:59 AM (EST) 42. "RE: At worst, Matt is learning fast" I think Christy voted for Heidiho, along with everyone but Matt.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-30-03, 12:54 PM (EST) 43. "RE: At worst, Matt is learning fast" No, I meant originally, when she was answering the question "Who do you have a crush on?" - A GeorgiaBelle original   Top

Thaibeach 872 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 04-30-03, 01:27 PM (EST) 44. "RE: At worst, Matt is learning fast" Of this group, she probably chose Matt. She had pretty strong feelings against Alex (I was surprised she disliked him so much). Even if she's gay, I'd say she dislikes H&J so much that she couldn't/wouldn't say either of them. Hmm,what could she have in common with the others? Butch? Well, he's probably got a paddle in that principal's office of his. Rob? She could lend him a bra. I hope she does, 'cause he needs one. Badly. Even after 30-plus days of starvation, dude.   Top

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