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"See BS Misdirection Ep 10: "Q & A""
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"See BS Misdirection Ep 10: "Q & A"" |
ON THE NEXT EPISODE In a SURVIVOR tradition, the castaways bid on much-desired items of food. But when letters from home are thrown into the auction, emotions run high and a fierce bidding war breaks out, leading some to exuberance and others to tears.
Particularly good news from home makes one Survivor giddy with excitement and leads to a morale boost.
Beaming with power, the alliance of Alex, Rob, Jenna and Heidi take it easy while the others toil in the hopes of saving themselves.
A Survivor promises to vote against a trusted ally, sending the wounded friend into a flutter.
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04-11-03, 01:39 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 10: "Q & A"" |
Beaming with power, the alliance of Alex, Rob, Jenna and Heidi take it easy while the others toil in the hopes of saving themselves. Given that Matthew, Butch and Christy make the F4, per Chillone and other sources, we know that this alliance revealed does not succeed. We also know that Heidi and Jenna are safe next week so that leaves Alex and Rob. Alex does not seem to have any relationship with Christy or Matt, so Rob is the one who will most likely take advantage of his PERCEIVED control over Matthew and Butch to get rid of Alex. Rob realizes he is number four in his current alliance...Alex and Jenna are tight, Jenna and Heidi are good friends, that leaves Rob as number four in that alliance. He feels like he controls Matthew and Butch and would stand a better chance of making the F2 with Matthew, Butch and Christy, than with the alliance revealed to us in the previews. It's looking like Rob defects and Alex goes next...
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04-11-03, 03:38 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 10: "Q & A"" |
Makes sense to me. But where does this leave Rob, and why would Jenna go to the final 4 instead of him? I can't imagine Christy choosing to keep Jenna around over Rob or Butch, and we already know she is creeped out by Matt. If ChillOne's spoilers are correct, this game is going to have to take some major turns. How do Jenna and Matt make the final 2? Rob wants Matt gone, Christy thinks Matt is creepy and doesn't seem too fond of Jenna, and no one seems too thrilled with Matt (except maybe Butch with the whole "Chain" metaphor). Does Matt go on an incredible Immunity run? He seems perfectly suited for it. But why would how does Jenna make it through? So many questions. Why would Christy/Butch choose Jenna over Rob?
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13. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 10: "Q & A"" |
<<As for why the Misfit Alliance would boot Rob before Matt…Rob
is going to be assuming the leadership role in that group – I can see him getting really obnoxious & overconfident – making himself a target. With the misfits’ necessarily increased communication, I think they will figure out more of what Rob has been up to.>>Another thing to keep in mind is that if Rob does indeed defect from A/H/J, it won't make him look any more trustworthy to B/M/C - Rob's absolutely getting himself caught in the middle by playing both sides. I'd bet there's a good chance he goes before Alex. <<Also, I still think the ‘Matt is creepy’ is a bit exaggerated. They’ve been talking about how creepy Matt is right in front of him – more of a teasing the weird kid than actual fear of an unbalanced person.>> Same here - I think Rob takes the Matt-bashing too far, but the rest of the "Matt is mentally unstable" seems to be misdirection. I think Matt could wind up going on a hell of an immunity run, just to seal the deal in case it's *not* misdirection, though.
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04-12-03, 06:14 AM (EST)
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11. "easy" |
>>why would Jenna go to the final 4 instead of him? I can't imagine Christy choosing to keep Jenna around over Rob or Butch, and we already know she is creeped out by Matt. If ChillOne's spoilers are correct, this game is going to have to take some major turns. How do Jenna and Matt make the final 2?<<mat goes on a IC run like colby did. he wins most of the remaining IC. Rob does see himself #4 in the alliance so gets mat and butch, butch might bring along christy because she and butch see that the "4" are laying around so rob,mat,butch,christy vote off alex next. with alex gone, challenges if physical of any kind mat is the huge favorite. after alex is gone, rob then takes the same group to vote off heidi in her predicted spot. that rubs jenna wrong and now rob is all alone and jenna joins B/M/C to get rid of rob. CO final 4. not sure how christy goes next. mat IC would think jenna would go. Mat no IC would think mat goes. not sure how christy goes 4th but mat must win next and boots butch to take jenna figuring maybe she made a few enemy's while butch i dont think did anything at all to piss anyone off. christy booted 4th is the only part of the game left that isn't so obvious to me. the rest is a walk in the park. guess we'll wait and see how it plays out.
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04-12-03, 07:12 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: easy" |
not sure how christy goes next. mat IC would think jenna would go. Mat no IC would think mat goes. not sure how christy goes 4th but mat must win next and boots butch to take jenna figuring maybe she made a few enemy's while butch i dont think did anything at all to piss anyone off.I get the feeling from Markopolo's thread that Matt is pretty close to Butch. Matt is Butch's point of contact with the dominant alliance since Butch's alliance crumbled, and they've been going out to fish a heck of a lot, so there must at least be some sort of a bond between them.
My guess is that Jenna wins this crucial IC; and Matt and Butch agree to vote out Christy. It doesn't really matter if you aren't convinced about the Matt-Butch alliance or if you think that Butch and Christy are tighter than Butch and Matt. As long as Jenna wins this immunity, the other three misfits would have to cannibalize themselves ala S4 with Neleh/Paschal/Kathy, and Vee. We might even see a purple rock or some other tie-breaker. Anyway Christy is gone if the spoiler is right. Matt/Jenna might win the last IC and takes the other person along because he/she thinks that Matt/Jenna is a better person to go against in the finals. 
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04-11-03, 03:03 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 10: "Q & A"" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-11-03 AT 03:04 PM (EST)A Survivor promises to vote against a trusted ally, sending the wounded friend into a flutter. Any thoughts on who this refers to? We can exclude Butch and Christy since they have no trusted allies. TDT seems to think the "flutterer" will be Rob. He gets wind ot Alex plotting to get rid of him first at Final 4? Is this what sets up an Alex boot? Or does Matt find out about how Rob has been planning to vote him out all along? I can't really think of any other possibilities.
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04-11-03, 03:19 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 10: "Q & A"" |
Heidi is the only one wounded at the moment. Perhaps Alex tries to make a deal with Jenna regarding the final two, and Jenna rats him out to Heidi.
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04-21-03, 01:26 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 10: "Q & A"" |
Or, Rob tells Heidi that Alex says "the girls need to be split up"
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04-11-03, 04:10 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: See BS Misdirection Ep 10: "Q & A"" |
A Survivor promises to vote against a trusted ally, sending the wounded friend into a flutter. The two scenarios I see are: Matt votes against Rob. This would shatter Rob's ego as he has "controlled" Matt-eo the entire time. As Rob sees his influence on Matt fading he could become paranoid everyone is voting against him. OR Jenna is the turncoat and joins the Misfits. If she aligns with Matt, Christy and Butch, she would join the majority and absolutly crush Heidi. This would lead us to ChillOne's final four. The only problem I have with this is... She has absolutely nothing in common with any of the Misfits AND her alliance is strong now. Why would she jeapordize her Final 4 just to join another Final 4?
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04-13-03, 11:54 AM (EST)
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16. "RE: remember, spoiler has heidi 6th not 5th" |
I heard Heidi was 6th, so Alex, Rob, then Heidi, then we have the F4, which I am really hoping is the wrong order of boot.
"Now I will believe that there are unicorns..." William Shakespeare; "The Tempest"
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04-13-03, 03:20 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: remember, spoiler has heidi 6th not 5th" |
>>I heard Heidi was 6th, so Alex, Rob, then Heidi, then we have the F4, which I am really hoping is the wrong order of boot.<<read what you wrote. if its alex, rob then heidi, leaving F4, then heidi is 5th. so it must be either alex or rob, then heidi, then the remainder of alex/rob. so heidi goes between alex and rob. i believe its alex, heidi, rob
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04-14-03, 03:14 AM (EST)
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21. "RE: remember, spoiler has heidi 6th not 5th" |
LOL I knew what I meant, my fingers just wrote something else, they do that alot, they never, the fingers, listen to me, LOL.Yes, Ales, Heidi, Rob, etc................
"Now I will believe that there are unicorns..." William Shakespeare; "The Tempest"
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04-21-03, 03:06 PM (EST)
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28. "CBS Press Release" |
CBS Press Release of April 18th at SF...
CERTAIN CASTAWAYS RECEIVE NEWS FROM HOME ON "SURVIVOR: THE AMAZON," THURSDAY, APRIL 24 "Q&A" – Certain castaways receive news from home on SURVIVOR: THE AMAZON, Thursday, April 24 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. In a twist to the auction reward, the castaways not only bid on items of food but also on letters from home. When the time comes to bid on these letters, emotions run high as a fierce bidding war breaks out, leading some to exuberance and others to tears. Particularly good news from home makes one castaway giddy with excitement and ultimately gives them a huge morale boost. Back at camp, a comfortable few who feel secure in their alliance take it easy while the others toil in desperate attempt to stay in the tribe. In a last ditch attempt to save themselves, one castaway promises to vote against a trusted ally which then sends the targeted friend into a tailspin. And the tenth person is voted out of the tribe.
This recent release provides us with new information that confirms some of our thinking:
"last ditch attempt to save themselves" confirms that it's one of the three misfits (Butch, Christy or Matt) who make the last ditch attempt. One of them "promises to vote against a trusted ally". Christy has no trusted ally left, Butch's only ally is Matt and there's nothing to negotiate if either of them are targeted by the other, so that leaves Matt who trusts Rob as his ally. If Matt promises (Alex, the leader of the sunbathers) to vote for Rob in order to save himself, Rob (flying high with in the sunbathing alliance) would "go into a tailspin" (realizing he is number 4 in his current alliance) and trigger his defection to unite with the misfits and eliminate Alex.
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04-21-03, 03:55 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: CBS Press Release" |
In a last ditch attempt to save themselves...KB, I wouldn't be too sure this isn't CBS trying to be misleading. Yes, it sounds like it refers to the previous sentence about those who are "desperate", but it could be one of the alliance members promising to vote against one of the their own, not so much to "save themselves" in the short term, but to have better endgame odds later. But -- If Matt promises (Alex, the leader of the sunbathers) to vote for Rob in order to save himself, Rob (flying high with in the sunbathing alliance) would "go into a tailspin" (realizing he is number 4 in his current alliance) and trigger his defection to unite with the misfits and eliminate Alex. 1) Why would Alex decide to target Rob, and extract a promise from Matt to help him, unless Alex already knew, or suspected, that Rob was planning to defect? 2) And if he did, how would Rob find out about this promise, causing him to go into a "tailspin"? From Jenna or Heidi? I think they are more likely to remain loyal to Alex. Jenna was suspicious of Rob flipping before the Deena vote. If it refers to Matt and Rob, I think it's more likely that they have an argument and Matt tells Rob he's going to vote against him, or, at least, that their alliance is off.
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04-21-03, 07:58 PM (EST)
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39. "Why promise?" |
>In a last ditch attempt to
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>KB, I wouldn't be too sure
>this isn't CBS trying to
>be misleading. Yes,
>it sounds like it refers
>to the previous sentence about
>those who are "desperate", but
>it could be one of
>the alliance members promising to
>vote against one of the
>their own, not so much
>to "save themselves" in the
>short term, but to have
>better endgame odds later. BR, if this is the case, it could only be refering to either Butch or Matt promising to vote for the other, right? If Alex/Rob/Heidi/Jenna have a 4-3 advantage why would the majority need anyone to make a "promise" to vote their way? I don't understand how the promise could save someone targeted by the majority unless the person making the promise is being considered to take the place of someone (Rob or Alex) currently part of the majority. Without the "promise" the majority would risk a 3-3 tie in EP11, instead of the 4-2 the majority need to keep control.
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04-22-03, 10:55 AM (EST)
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40. "RE: Why promise?" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-22-03 AT 10:58 AM (EST)KB, I wasn't thinking about Matt and Butch. At face value, I agree it looks like Matt promising to vote against Rob. What I meant was that CBS often words these blurbs in a way that has little or no resemblance to what actually happens when we see the episode. The use of the phrase "last ditch attempt to save themselves" might be nothing but hype. They could be talking about someone in the alliance of 4, saying they will vote against another alliance member -- eventually, not necessarily in this Episode. Or it could be that a person says "my alliance with so-and-so is over", which CBS has morphed into that person saying "I'm voting against so-and-so." They've done things like this before (SurvivinDawg, where are you? Help me out here!) 
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04-22-03, 11:52 AM (EST)
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43. "RE: Why promise?" |
CBS frequently overblows or otherwise distorts things for the previews. When we actually see the episode, it's like, "that's IT?!" My favorite example was (in the Ep7 preview): "ON THE NEXT SURVIVOR
A distraught Alex struggles over Shawna's departure..." Distraught? Um, OK, I think he may have looked a little sad, or possibly frowned for half a second. But - later in that same Episode - he seemed pretty darn perky when the Boobtwins took it all off for cookies
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04-21-03, 04:28 PM (EST)
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32. "eyeMAIL" |
Just a retread of the same old stuff but in the interest of compiling all sources of info, here's this weeks eyeMAIL.SURVIVOR EMOTIONS RUN HIGH
Thursday, 8PM ET/PT On the next SURVIVOR: THE AMAZON, emotions run high as tribemates are forced to bid against each other for food and letters from home. Plus, the powerful alliance of four decide to take a break from camp work and let the others sweat out their fate. Only three episodes remain before the two-hour SURVIVOR: THE AMAZON finale on May 11, which will be followed by a LIVE cast reunion.
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04-21-03, 05:03 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: eyeMAIL" |
"Powerful alliance of four"? No misdirection there, huh?
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04-22-03, 11:41 AM (EST)
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42. "RE: Web Poll" |
The teaser really annoys me. On the surface C/B/M are the ones in trouble. However, if one wins immunity it would be sensible to think that one of the other two gets targeted then. So one of them would have to make the last ditch effort right? It certainly wouldn't be on the minds of the fearless four to think they are in trouble. However, this teaser may be something that occurs prior to the IC and the person (one of the three) makes some last ditch effort b/c they don't know at the time who will IC but they are seeing the "lay of the land" so to speak and without knowing at the time who is going to win IC, they opt to say I will vote against my trusted ally to try in some way to save myself. Problem that I keep having is that if it is one of the three, it won't matter, it is still 4-3. So if Butch for example tells Matt, we are in trouble, we have to try to take Rob out for example and Rob finds out throwing him into a tailspin. Why??? He still has his threesome and that is what bothers me. So what if M/B/C vote him there are still four other votes?? And wouldnt' A/H/J just pick B/C if Matt won immunity. Even if Rob is fourth in their foursome, why would they still entertain voting him NOW. This just annoys me to no end. And now I am wondering if CBS blurb has something to do with how this works out. Alex,Rob, Jenna mentioned as who will emerge as leader? Well we the audience have seen the quest for leader set up by Rob stating Deena and Alex think they are but I am but where the heck does Jenna fit into this? We as the audience are like huh?? But we as a spoiling community know SOMETHING occurs to get Jenna further into the game and not necessarily immunity. Therefore, I am wondering if the teaser is "teasing" and Jenna indeed emerges as the leader in the sense that she ends up being the one who seals the fate of someone other than B/M/C. Bottom line they need another vote to send on of the fearless four gone. If for some reason Matt does question Rob's dealing and Butch leads him on the path as having to vote out a trusted ally (Rob) it may somehow come to light that Rob is playing around. Jenna was pretty pissed at Deena about betrayal and for the life of me I could not fathom how strong her emotions were UNLESS she heard stuff that was blown out of proportion. Could Rob have been behind that? Because of her friendship with Alex, I can't see her deciding to offer a vote to Alex but if she found out Rob lied or exaggerated Deena's planning she may be pissed enough he caused her to vote out someone she had trusted. Maybe she ends up voting with B/M/C to oust Rob.
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44. "RE: Web Poll" |
VerucaSalt:I think there have been many different scenarios discussed here. Especially about who goes next and how. If we look at C1 final 4 (just taking that as gospel for a moment) we have Jenna, Butch, Christy and Matt. We know that Alex, Heidi, Jenna and Rob and aligned (or have been led to believe that by the previews). So, if Jenna, or Heidi, or Alex do switch over and vote off Rob it would then have to be an odd situation to get the C1 final 4. What would the vote the next week be? I don't see Jenna, Heidi or Alex voting for each other, at least not yet. So that would leave us with the only possible situation of 3 on 3. Not good for anyone, including the immunity winner. If the immunity winners group lost the tiebreaker (whatever that may be) they would go the next 2 weeks unless they won immunity. To me that means that Rob HAS to defect and vote out Alex and Heidi the next 2 weeks. Jenna than must either win immunity or convince Matt, Butch and Christy that Rob is a villian and they vote him out. I think if we end up with the final 4 of Matt, Butch, Christy and Jenna I think the vote would be 3-1 to boot Christy. I think she is out of any remaining alliance and will go because Jenna will win her 2nd immunity and Matt and Butch will not vote for each other. Jenna then wins the final immunity and chooses Matt because Butch is too nice to take along. Who wins then, I could argue for each person on the Jury to vote for either Matt or Jenna. Going to be how they really feel about them at the moment that will make a difference. I just hope there is no "Pick a number from 1-100" or anything similar to decide $1,000,000. Not good when that happens. Booted
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46. "RE: Web Poll" |
I am a newbie to posting, but I have been following this board for a long time. I just want to post my thoughts on this topic. Please be kind to me.To follow the question of the Web poll, "Who is the leader of Jacare?" is very interesting. Because clearly whomever is perceived to be the new leader will most likely to be the next one to go. (Which I think supports John Nash's theory.) We saw this with Roger and Deena. Both of them thought they had control of the game and surprise, surprise they were booted off. Alex is now looking like a leader. He thinks he has control, as he gets cozy with Jenna, Heidi and Rob. However, Rob, a student of survivor, has to know that he is not in Alex's final three plans and he has to be thinking that his only chance to actually win is to break up the A/H/J alliance. I can see Rob turning against his new allicance and convinces Matt, Butch and Christy to vote off Alex. After Alex is booted, the next to go is Heidi as the new alliance of Rob, Butch, Matt and Christy feels strong. Unfortunately, Rob will then suffer the leadership syndrome and will then be next to be voted off thus leaving C1's final four B/M/C/J.
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