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"Women in Review - has your opinions changed about them?"
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10-18-05, 03:45 PM (EST)
 
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"Women in Review - has your opinions changed about them?" |
I was struck by todays ep. It made me change some of my notions about the women and I thought it might be interesting to see what others think themselves and why...Lisa - My notion she is a spoiled brat hasn't changed but I think she is very insecure. Although she speaks out of turn and has childish behavior (much more then TJ) I think it's great that she is there. She can stir the other women up and get them to be more assertive about their feelings (i.e. Christina should have called Lisa out directly on reading her letters). Unfortunately, I don't think Lisa will change behaviors she has had for 40 years. Jill - She is very bluff and blunt, which was rather offputting, but also hides many insecurities. Though she joined in some of Lisa's gossip because she may be up for a prank I don't think she holds a grudge or meanness about it. I think she saw it more as a "game." She's really struggling with the diet - they need to put her on a walking program too. It's going to be a tough road. TJ - my favorite. I know she can be abrasive but I also don't think the women know where she is coming from because her disabilities are not obvious - perhaps that is why she still is in those damn glasses. Maybe it's the editing but she is coming across as someone who is listening more to the other women. I think she will go home with the most life-changing experiences, because her goal is to connect and since she is living with strangers she will learn a lot about this. Allison - This season she is coming across as very self-centered and rather cold. She is jumping to a lot of conclusions this season (i.e. TJ should be cast out). She is still making beds and setting tables for Lisa (she did it w/o being asked by Lisa so I think this is more of Allison's problem at this point then Lisa's who told her to leave because she would be weak and ask for help). Allison is an enabler. I don't think she will change this season or have breakthrough. It is like Lisa trying to change a lifetime of behavior. All she can hope for is to become aware of what she is doing and then strive every day to change it. Christina - my least favorite. After today, I think she does whatever anyone around her tells her to do - as I wrote before she is A PARROT!! This makes her very suggestible and very, very vulnerable. In group she said, "what I did wasn't good enough" - oh boy that struck a nerve with her! Until she understands self-worth, and that the opinions of others don't matter as long as she tried, then she is not going to be able to keep to her path of good intentions. Christina is bawling about leaving the house and really her exercise was no worse then Jessica's on talking about her mom to the group! I think this girl will be back to hooking within a year after leaving SO. Jessica - Not one of my favs, primarily because I feel the SO LC's and herself are not being honest and forthcoming about the real reason for all this high drama and crying. If Jessica would be "real" about what is truly bothering her then I could have more sympathy. I also have a sneaking suspicion that Jessica is a baby just like Lisa. Mom bought her clothes and made her doctor appts. Dad wants to remarry after 4 years and she bawls; she has dreams about not being good enough in her mothers eyes. There is deep stuff here but we are not addressing THAT. I hope she lives with some of the crying wrung out of her and realizes she has to move on with her life.
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10-18-05, 06:50 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Women in Review - has your opinions changed about them?" |
I am more sympathetic to TJ. I wouldn't want her to mentor my autistic child, but I am starting to understand where she is coming from. I liked Denise also, but still would not want her in charge of my guy.
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10-18-05, 08:30 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Women in Review - has your opinions changed about them?" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-18-05 AT 08:32 PM (EST)Lisa- self centered immature but I do think she has potential. I kind of see Lisa as TJ in different wrapping. I really don't think that Lisa understands that some of her comments and behavior is innappropriate. I believe that she's been behaving that way so Long she doesn't know any different. Jill-I see more trouble coming with Jill. Specifically because the editing on the show keeps alluding to that Jill is on the edge of a "breakthrough"-just like they did with Tess. Can you say Board of Review? I see a "C" in this woman's future. Jessica-I agree with whoever said she will be the last one to graduate. Jessica (in addition to mourning her mother) has to face her own petty and immature behavior. Someone in that house has been stirring up trouble, and no one seems to notice Jessica holding the stick. Christina- GAWD!What a mess. And what's worse is she doesn't seem to realize how messed up she is. She has some MAJOR esteem issues because she seems completely inable to form an original thought. The giggling through the presentation of the timeline of her life? What the heck? "Then I went to Vegas..tee hee hee, and began prostituting myself, tee hee hee." No one's laughing Christina-except you, and it AIN'T funny. It's tragic. TJ-My favorite. I think TJ is the only authentic houseguest. She is the only one not getting distracted by the catty nonsense going on in the SO house. I think the other HG's are starting to look past her constant talking and starting to appreciate the real TJ, at least I hope. Allison- Allison, Allison, Allison (shakes head sadly). She seems to have slipped so far back from last season and just seems to be so incredibly SAD. She breaks my heart. Allison seems to have lost her spark. She must STOP the caretaking of the other houseguests. She is NOT a LC, she is NOT their mentor, and she is NOT their babysitter. She is seriously sabotaging her own healing.
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kelb 81 desperate attention whore postings
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10-18-05, 08:41 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Women in Review - has your opinions changed about them?" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-18-05 AT 08:43 PM (EST)I just want to comment on Christina. Did anyone notice how she talked to Dr. Stan? She was VERY direct and even contemptuous with him. As a stripper and escort, she learned power over men and I'm sure she thinks she can yield that power with ease over all men. Dr. Stan, however, is a sophisticated man and will not let her rock his boat. I think Christina was upset today because her possible hatred towards men came out and she couldn't hold it in. I believe she felt out of control because Dr. Stan wasn't playing into her power trip. What she needs is a reality check. She does need to learn that women also have an opinion and can't be manipulated by sex (her main weapon) and there are men out there who can't be manipulated either (even by sex).
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10-18-05, 09:49 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Women in Review - has your opinions changed about them?" |
>LAST EDITED ON 10-18-05
>AT 08:43 PM (EST)
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>I just want to comment on
>Christina.
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>Did anyone notice how she talked
>to Dr. Stan? She
>was VERY direct and even
>contemptuous with him. As
>a stripper and escort, she
>learned power over men and
>I'm sure she thinks she
>can yield that power with
>ease over all men.
>Dr. Stan, however, is a
>sophisticated man and will not
>let her rock his boat.
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>I think Christina was upset today
>because her possible hatred towards
>men came out and she
>couldn't hold it in.
>I believe she felt out
>of control because Dr. Stan
>wasn't playing into her power
>trip.
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>What she needs is a reality
>check. She does need
>to learn that women also
>have an opinion and can't
>be manipulated by sex (her
>main weapon) and there are
>men out there who can't
>be manipulated either (even by
>sex). Excellent observation! I think Christina thought that she was holding some special power over Dr. Stan and when he didn't respond to her liking, she got very frustrated and angry with him.
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10-18-05, 10:13 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Women in Review - has your opinions changed about them?" |
Wow I hadn't thought of that. I think you are right. I'll add that I think she relies on her smiles, her looks and her youth to get men to protect her - and Dr. Stan didn't buy her smiles.
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Sharon_L 260 desperate attention whore postings
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10-18-05, 10:21 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Women in Review - has your opinions changed about them?" |
I guess I'm most interested in TJ right now because I don't know anyone quite like her. I think she's, so far, been the most honest. I continue to like Jill but am starting to think she's going to need 24/7 support. She needs to get her mother off that couch, for sure. I think she's at great risk, healthwise, and I'm not so sure she's ready for the house yet. I'm assuming any physcial stuff has been okay-ed by her doc. Oh yeah, and she smokes to top it off. Christina - It's going to take years, not weeks, to overcome those 18 mos(?) of stripping and hooking. I hope she stays but only -if- they devote more time to what the heck she'll do to support herself. She misses her son so I think it's going to be terribly difficult to keep her in the house for much longer..
She's sooo young - I hope she's got good support back home. Lisa - gag
I'm starting to see her more like a cartoon character. It's pathetic to see a 40 yr. old woman act so stupid. But hey..we learn today she can cook (and clean). Maybe there's hope for her but it'll take more than that to convince me. Allison - Wrong place for her at _this time_. She's grasping to find her place amongst the others and Iyanla isn't helping one little bit. She's still healing from multiple surgeries, gotta be hurting.
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Kris52505 89 desperate attention whore postings
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10-19-05, 00:17 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: Women in Review - has your opinions changed about them?" |
Here is my opinion of the girls:
TJ- my favorite, is the most honest and seems the most sincere and real when talking about her problems. She also has sortof held back on the untimely and sometimes rude comments. She seems to really have changed these last couple episode's. Lisa- I congratulate her on making the dinner. She did a wonderful job setting the table and even cleaning up. I am disappointed that she let Allison help. She was being sneaky and got away with it once again. She did do a good job on this assignment though. I hope she keeps putting effort into them. Jill-I think she is just plain lazy and not really ready to commit to the SO house. She needs to trust the process more and follow through on her assignments. Also needs to quit smoking, not going to help her health one bit. She needs to bring forth alot more effort. Carrying around bagage isn't that hard of an assignment as some people have had to do. Christina- Seems to be in a whole lot of guilt over her past and I think it is hard for her to face. She doesn't really seem to want to be a "woman of honor" to me. I think she will go back to stripping after the show. Jessica-I'm not real sure about her. I couldn't imagine losing my mother.To me she seems like she thinks her problems are the most devestating compared to everyone else. She really needs to start showing the rest of the housemates more respect. Allison-I really wish she would "get it". I think she just doesn't want everyone feeling sorry for her so she helps out other people to make them think that she isn't as unhealthy as she knows she is. She doesn't want other people to help her cause she sees it as a sign of being weak. So this is my opinion of the women. We will see where the rest of the episodes lead us. It can change all in one day.
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10-19-05, 00:30 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: Women in Review - has your opinions changed about them?" |
Lab I agree. Today I also saw that Christina mimics some of the Olsen sisters expressions. She is without language. She hasn't a clue about anything in life or the most basic of her emotions, I was very disppointed to see this. I thot she'd at least be savvy. She is truly clueless, addicted to a lifestyle that a child can play, and in denial of her profession, if it must be called this. Your right, she parrots people, cuz she can't communicate on her own. She can't interpret a feeling or express it or recieve constructive feedback without wanting to go home. Home to blanking blanks.
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Kris52505 89 desperate attention whore postings
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10-19-05, 00:25 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Women in Review - has your opinions changed about them?" |
I worded Lisa's opinion wrong. She didn't set the table, I meant to say that she presented the food and tables nice, with the flowers and tablecloths. Allison did do all the table setting, don't get me wrong. Just wanted to straighten that out.
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10-20-05, 05:44 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Women in Review - has your opinions changed about them?" |
I wanted to add something about Christina. Does anyone get the feeling - and maybe it's my dislike of Christina so that is why I'm asking - that Christina is exaggerating her time as a whore to make better television? Whenever she says she is not going back to that old life she uses the terms - "dancer" and "stripper" - I think once she said prositute but she really sees herself as an exotic dancer. She also has said she has not been raped. Okay I just find all that unusual for someone who has been a hooker for 18 mo.s - 2 years or whatever and has admitted that she "partied hard." I am wondering if the producers asked Christina to make it good for television and since she is used to conning, has just let us keep this impression? She also strikes me as incredibly naive in certain things and I would expect a woman who has done all that she has done would know a bit more of the world -- i.e. leave letters out and they get read (boohoo!). Her hypsensitivity to the other women who are doubtful about her good intentions just comes off as a crybaby. I would expect her to act more like Jill, blunt and in your face with "I'm going to do THIS!" - and tell them F-off.
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Labyrinth 1248 desperate attention whore postings
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10-24-05, 09:11 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Women in Review - has your opinions changed about them?" |
For me the latest ep. (the board of review) caused me to change some ideas again about the HG's.I think there is a definite youth vs. older dynamic going on. Instead of Jessica and Christina looking to the older HG's for guidance or input, they have reverted to a "we're young and know it all" attitude which I find really, really irritating! Of the HG's, Jessica and Christina are the ones who like to gossip the most and tear people down behind their back. Let's see Christina's comment to TJ about TJ wanting to dress up for Lisa's dinner; Jessica's rolling eyes during one of the exercises behind another HG's back; Christina's arrogance in confessionals about how she deserves more because she is a mother and hence the others are a bunch of losers; etc... etc... Both of them play the game. Lisa has become less irritating to me. Honestly, I think she did come to the house with preconceptions and has been in state of shock for the last two weeks. I don't think she'll fix her life with this show, but perhaps she can get a wake up call. TJ - has tried numerous times to get the house to work as a team but because no one likes how she presents this information there is no respect. I feel sorry for her because if she could learn to express herself and listen she could be a real leader. Jill - this ep. she seems to be the most disconnected from the house's troubles. I think she has been struggling so much with her own baggage that she's missed out on all the griping! I am hoping this means she can continue to move ahead with herself. JMO but I think she is in so much denial of her pain that it WAS hard for her to understand IV's points! I honestly don't think, until this ep, that she had a lightbulb moment (maybe a 20 watt but at least something!).
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10-24-05, 09:14 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: Women in Review - has your opinions changed about them?" |
Lisa: Today I saw a side of her that was honest and not the least bit childish. Maybe there's hope.Jessica: To me she enjoys the attention garnered by all this crying and pity parties she throws. BUT today she did not cry once!! I didn't care for her comment to Allison about dressing up for Lisa's dinner party. also thought the time she jumped down TJ's throat at the pool was very self righteous and over the top. Jill: Has a hard exterior but deep insecurities inside. She did make one remarkably insightful comment on the phone to her friend/sister the other night. She had just said she wasn't calling skinny girls b*&^%$# anymore. To-wit: "Why do those skinny girls have to be $&%^#* for me to feel good about myself?" Go girl! TJ: Yeah...definitely annoying, but she tries..sometimes she claims to "get it" too easily. I liked her comment to Jill after Jessica jumped all over her at the pool "my hurt is just as deep". That's right! And don't let Jessica tell you otherwise. Christina: For someone who lived a tough life hustling chips and selling her body for nearly two years, she now can't say "boo" to anyone in the house. Will the real Christina stand up? Allison: Hmmmm...I feel for her. She can't shake the "good old southern girl" way of being. Martyr? Maybe, but not maliciously. Sure wish she'd remove the link on her website that accepts "donations" for her bills though. That's tacky.
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10-25-05, 05:54 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Women in Review - has your opinions changed about them?" |
Has it occurred to anybody but me that - while Allison, Layne, Tess and the rest were staying at the Aladdin in Las Vegas, Christina was "working" Las Vegas? Just seems weird. TJ - when TJ tried her ill-fated analogy about Christina not graduating high school, did anybody bother to remember that TJ ALSO DID NOT GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL? Remember, she quit during her senior year because she felt stupid. Can somebody who doesn't have a high school diploma put you down for not having a high school diploma? I think she was just making a bad analogy. I would be interested to hear how TJ has made a living since high school. I think it might be good for Christina to hear as well and maybe Lisa. TJ lived in her parents basement during the time period her high school mates would have been going to college. How did she move out? Really the housemates spend most of their time (some more than others) sniping and complaining about people after they have left the room than trying to listen to them and understand them. Lisa - Other than acting out, Lisa has never had a life separate from her parents. It is like the worst case scenario view of a child who was conceived primarily as a bone marrow or liver donor for another child - there is a level where she feels worthless and only here to fulfill whatever it is her parents want from her. Acting out, I think, is basically "if I can't get love and respect from my parents," then at least they have to buy me this . . . fill in the blank. So . . . . she has no compassion, no loving attitude and is focused solely on material things. I think she is fascinated with Christina's past because it represents the largest rebellion she could have ever made against her parents and it is the absolute opposite of how she has lived her life and yet is the same way she has lived her life. (Christina refused to use her parents for help when life became difficult - Lisa never thought of not using her parents for help even when life was easy. Yet both of them sold themselves out to survive.) Jessica - As I said elsewhere on this site, I still think she was enmeshed with her mother (she was her best friend and she can't have any dreams because they all involved her mother.) Whether her mom died in 9/11 or after a long lingering illness, she would have been one of those people who seems to have a great deal of trouble recovering from their mother (or parents') death. Jill - I haven't seen today's episode yet and it sounds like Jill makes great strides forward today - but I am disappointed that she seems so reluctant to really do the work. It took her forever to pack her bags and then she tried to figure out every way in the world to set them down early or get around having to carry them. She complained about having to work on her menu and with Iyanla ALL DAY and tried to manipulate the diet process. She expends a lot of energy on not getting better and very little on actually doing the work. Christina - immature. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I'm beginning to see her a little like Tess. She can parrot the things people tell her, but she isn't very good at actually internalizing and getting the lesson. I kinda don't think she's ready to be in the house. Allison - when will Allie get it? Like I said on another thread of this board, I was really kinda surprised that they graduated her last year. She hadn't really learned self care or how to be happy - they had just run out of time to teach her! I think they should give Allison an assignment where she has to write down 20 things she is grateful about every day!! And she can't just write "I'm glad I'm alive" with ditto marks under it. It is easy to like someone who seems to put others unselfishly before themselves - until you realize that really they are being the most selfish. They are only doing it to be liked. They are only doing it for the payoff. Allison doesn't even parrot the correct answers like Tess and Christina - she stubbornly says "I can fit it all in" when faced with a ridiculous schedule that puts her ultimately last. Allson is willing to do the work, but I don't think she'd know her authentic self if it introduced itself to her in her mirror one morning. Iyanla - how I would love to get a hug from Iyanla someday! It just looks like the best!! But I would hate to have her look at me with that look she gets on her face when some of the women are first telling their stories - I don't know if she's angry or dislikes them or what. I think I'd have to say, "OK . . . I guess I better pack my bags then . . " if she looked at me that way. Rhonda - although Iyanla is flashier and like that awful teacher you had in high school that you hated but later realized was your best teacher, Rhonda's books are the best!! I've tried reading a little of Dr. Stan, Iyanla and Rhonda's books and I really found Rhonda's books the most useful and helpful. I frequently wonder what gets edited out from what Rhonda said to the different housemates because she's much better in print than she seems to me on tv!
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10-25-05, 06:53 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Women in Review - has your opinions changed about them?" |
These posts are fantastic! But I am not feeling some of the women -- especially Lisa. Her lack of respect for Christina's privacy is past appalling; she should be 'blessed' out (can't punch her out - it's against the house rules!)!I find I do feel for Christina. Christina left home at age 16 - with her parents' knowledge, if not blessing. Christina felt she had to prostitue herself to earn a living, and I believe her parents knew it. Or didn't object, or something totally unloving, uncaring, and who gives a d**m! Christina has no moral foundation. That is why she is in the SO House. That is also why she is so silent. Morals are taught; they are not genetic. Only a fool talks about something that is outside of their experience. While I do not admire her lifestyle -- and I'd call myself a dancer rather than a stripper or prostitute! - I do admire that she has survived a life of little or no parental love, little or no parental guidance or morality, a husband who left her and his child high and dry, perfecting a 'hustle' in a city where sharks and barracudas wrote the game and seeing the game for the nasty piece of business that it is, jumped at the SO House's offer to try to attain a better, safer life for herself and her child. Christina only knows the punishments and rewards of the hustle - she does not know internal peace and acceptance, nor has she experienced the joys and sense of security of the mainstream. Cut her some slack. Pray for her the chance her parents never gave her.
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