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"Visitors To Check in with INS (Political)"
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11-29-02, 00:42 AM (EST)
 
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"Visitors To Check in with INS (Political)" |
"Why is the U.S. Government doing this?
In light of the attacks against the United States on September 11, 2001 and subsequent events, and based on information available to the Attorney General, the Attorney General has determined that certain nonimmigrant aliens require closer monitoring when national security or law enforcement interests are raised. The first phase of Special Registration, initiated September 11, 2002, required selected individuals to be fingerprinted, photographed, and interviewed under oath at United States ports-of-entry. This new procedure is the second phase, extending registration requirements to nationals and citizens of designated countries, who already have been admitted to the United States, to register at an Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) district or sub-office."The registration requirements now include fingerprinting, photographs, interviews with INS officers and presentation of papers (passport, I-94 Form, any other important government-issued identification documents, proof of residence, employment and school matriculation). Original List: Iran
Iraq
Sudan
Libya
Syria Countries recently added to the list:
Afghanistan,
Algeria
Bahrain
Eritrea
Lebanon
Morocco
North Korea
Oman
Qatar
Somalia
Tunisia
The United Arab Emirates
Yemen Who is not on the list?
Saudi Arabia and Egypt....I wonder why? hmmmmmm
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http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/lawenfor/specialreg/SpcCall_in.pdf
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings
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11-29-02, 08:00 AM (EST)
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1. "Indeed..." |
Indeed, why NOT Saudi Arabia, where 14 of the 19 WTC & Pentagon terrorists came from. Where a list (given to Saudi Arabia by the United States) of rich Arabs who have been sponsoring terrorist activities reside? Why not Nigeria, where over 200 mostly innocent people lay dead over a beauty pageant... And like a lot of North Koreans are just slipping into the country unchecked, anyway? I am glad to see, however, that attention is being paid to this issue and that some steps are being taken. 
Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings
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11-29-02, 10:14 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Indeed..." |
JUST to make sure we all do understand:1) We are at WAR <--- (very important word here). We have been at WAR since 11 September 2001.
2) The people that perpetrated the first act of this WAR are(were) Arab terrorists.
3) Every successful hijacking in the last 20 years has been by Arabs.
4) Just recently Arabs shot surface-to-air missles at (civilian) jet airplanes. Fortunately, they (essentially) missed.
5) In the here and now, Al Qaieda (composed mostly of Arabs) has committed other terrorist atrocities, including the disco bombing in Bali, the U.S.S. Cole bombing, etc.
6) We know that, as this WAR continues, that Al Qaieda wants to commit more terrorism in the United States. The likelihood that the perps will be Arabic in origin is very good.
7) Therefore, Big Brother should DEFINITELY be watching. The rights of American citizens should be protected, of course, but foreigners entering the United States should be scrutinized.
8) Is this politically incorrect? You betcha. Is it prudent in this WARtime environment? You betcha.
Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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TechNoir 9741 desperate attention whore postings
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11-29-02, 10:44 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Indeed..." |
Since WAR occurs between nation-states, who exactly are we at WAR with? Or is this yet another METAPHOR like the WAR on drugs?
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings
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11-30-02, 01:36 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Indeed..." |
Since WAR occurs between nation-states,Obviously, this is no longer the case. There used to be a time when "war" was "war" only when formally declared (in fact, when Germany invaded the Soviet Union in 1941, the German ambassador actually delvered a note to the Soviet Foreign minister informing him that war was declared. Since, the concept of war as a declared function has just about gone out the window-- like the German ambassador supposedly did after delivering the note!). who exactly are we at WAR with? The war on Terrorism has on one side a nation-state (des Etats-Unis) and its NATO allies (technically, anyway). The other side is a group that is not nation-state in its operation, but exists across national borders. When the United States attacked and destroyed six Al Qaieda terrorists in the Yemini desert, no one was saying that the United States was at war with Yemen. Everyone knows who the enemy was that day... and still is. Of course, the war on Terrorism also extends to those nation-states that are supporting the terrorists. The Taliban government in Afghanistan would be a good example. What is about to happen to Saddam Hussein in Iraq is another. I would not be surprised if, within the next 3-5 years, the governments of other nation-states, such as SAUDI ARABIA, are likewise targeted as helping Al Qaieda. I hope this satisfactorily answers the questions.
Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings
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11-30-02, 03:02 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Indeed..." |
LAST EDITED ON 11-30-02 AT 03:02 PM (EST)First, I haven't redefined any language, and I think you know it. Second, I think I have (in my above posts) clearly defined who we're at war with. Re-read those messages, and if it's still not clear, then I can't help you any further. How will we know if and when it is over? We won't. And it may NEVER be over, as long as there are evil people out there who believe that terrorist activities that harm innocent people are the way to achieve their goals (whatever they are).
Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings
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11-30-02, 03:08 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: Another Aspect" |
Not only is the federal government taking vast liberties with the Constitution, it is on the verge (if not over it) of serious international human rights violations.
I agree about the "liberties" with the Constitution, although it was much worse eroded by the court actions in Florida in 2000 and New Jersey in 2002 on behalf of Democratic candidates (Gore and Lautenberg, respectively). But, to open a can of worms and stir the pot very vigorously, I would like to know where you consider the U.S. Government to have committed "international human rights violations". I'd think the Terrorists certainly did that in hijacking four airplanes, killing members of their passengers and crew, and killing about 3000 more people by driving the planes into buildings, but I don't see where the United States has done so, not even in its prosecution of the WAR against Terrorism.
Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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Esbea 7377 desperate attention whore postings
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11-30-02, 03:21 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Another Aspect" |
I have a friend that says the same thing about the term "carjack"!
*giggles with superman*
"I prefer the wicked to the foolish. The wicked sometimes rest."
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TechNoir 9741 desperate attention whore postings
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11-30-02, 04:09 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Another Aspect" |
I would like to know where you consider the U.S. Government to have committed "international human rights violations"I'll let Human Rights International tell you. They said: "The U.S. government's investigation of the September 11 attacks has been marred by arbitrary detentions, due process violations, and secret arrests, Human Rights Watch said and "The Bush administration thinks it has a solution to the evidentiary and legal frustrations of prosecuting terrorist suspects: Designate them "enemy combatants" and detain them indefinitely without charge or trial. But that raises the question: Is this an appropriate response to a serious security threat or a ploy to circumvent the U.S. Constitution?" more and, on another subject "Elsewhere in the world, only Congo and Iran are known to have executed juvenile offenders in the last three years. Each now explicitly repudiates the practice, making the United States the only country that continues to claim the legal authority to execute juvenile offenders. " more
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Bert 170 desperate attention whore postings
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11-30-02, 09:52 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: Another Aspect" |
But do you think the US Government has committed human rights violations? I generally don't take stock in the word of international orginizations- most of them seem to be anti american anyhow (Syria on the UN's human rights committee? The UN wants the US to fund over a billion dollars in renovations to their buildings, etc)
While I do think that the detentions are a little unnerving, if they are truly enemy combatants, then the US is within its rights, is it not?
As to the human rightness of executing juviniles, I think that's up for debate. Many people consider capital punishment itself a human rights violation. Others do not. I personally have not made a decision on that particular issue.
*IF* There truly have been abuses of authority as far as the 9-11 investigations go, then that is an atrocity that needs be followed up on. But I'm not sure I'm comfortable with some sort of international entity determining what is "arbritary." I'm sure that some countries would consider incereased waryness of their citizens arbitrary when others would simply consider it a necessary precaution.
Common sense would dictate that any government would want to cut down on the arbitrtaryness of an inevstigation, making it easier on itself.Just as a side note, why do many people seem to always try to first criticize the US instead of countries with mass genocide, women's rights squelched, religous freedom nonexistant, etc etc etc...? I'm sorry if anyone's had a hard time trying to understand this post... I've had a tough tiem organizing my thoughts on this one. If you have any questions, I'll be happy to try to clarify. Or Dawg's always welcome to chime in... he seems to share most of my political theories. (Which is why I often don't post- he's already beaten me to what I'm planning on saying. Plus he's better at stating it than me anyway. *Waves to Dawg*) Okay, now I'm just rambling. Sorry. 
-bert
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TechNoir 9741 desperate attention whore postings
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12-01-02, 01:34 AM (EST)
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26. "RE: Another Aspect" |
Random responses ...But do you think the US Government has committed human rights violations? Why yes, I do. I generally don't take stock in the word of international orginizations- most of them seem to be anti american anyhow This seems to be a fairly common attitude in the States. If I lived on a block where all of the other folks had decided to live by a set of rules and I decided I didn't need to pay attention to the commonly agreed on rules rules because the other folks on the block didn't like me -- well I don't think that makes much sense. And it would certainly give the others on the block even more reason not to like me. Suppose I threw my trash over the fence on to my neighbor's property, tromped across another neighbor's lawn to pick their flowers (of course leaving a quarter on the stoop), and beating the neighborhood pets when they didn't behave as I wished -- would the other folks on the block have cause to complain? I think they would. But I'm not sure I'm comfortable with some sort of international entity determining what is "arbritary." Ok, but who should? That's the problem. why do many people seem to always try to first criticize the US I don't see many folks who "first" criticize the US, but I see no reason for the US to be exempt either.
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings
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12-01-02, 07:24 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: Another Aspect" |
This seems to be a fairly common attitude in the States. If I lived on a block where all of the other folks had decided to live by a set of rules and I decided I didn't need to pay attention to the commonly agreed on rules rules because the other folks on the block didn't like me -- well I don't think that makes much sense. Yet another difference in our philosophies. I believe the United States to be a SOVEREIGN nation, not beholden to ANYONE ELSE in the world, nor the United Nations. These other nations and groups hate us because we're better, we work harder, we do more and produce more, and we're not afraid to SAY that we're better, we work harder and we do more and produce more! So we should absolutely resist any attempts by outside influences, PARTICULARLY the corruption-eaten and Anti-Semitic United Nations, to impugn upon our sovereignty. Furthermore, as to human rights "violations", let's get the real picture here: these wishy-washy little human rights groups would cry foul if you so much as look at another person with a scowl on your face. But they don't take into account the GOOD the United States has done for humans everywhere on this globe. Who gave up thousands of lives to invade Normandy and liberate Europe in 1944? Who fought and defeated Japan to liberate the whole Asian Pacific seaboard in the same era? Who brought the Soviet Union and it's brutal policies to extinction? (and don't even try to deny that it was Ronald W. Reagan who won that Cold War) Who has brought up "human rights" with China all these years, while those wishy-washy human rights groups look the other way? "The United States as an oppressor of human rights" is just a ludicrous fantasy of those world socialists and globalists who hate us for our achievements. I say "Thank God for the United States, the only bastion for individual freedom and human rights left on the face of the Earth!"
Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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