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"Am I the only one who finds it frightening..."
jackandjill 204 desperate attention whore postings
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01-22-04, 12:34 PM (EST)
 
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1. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
Having Trump's associates out in the field makes it harder to give up in order to get rid.
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djandy 1711 desperate attention whore postings
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01-22-04, 12:38 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
Now remember she worked for the Clinton White House, where low cut tops, short skirts, and stomach baring was probably encouraged. Yes, it is frightening that she worked anywhere, let alone the White House. The woman doesn't have any good ideas (Donald's Darlings anyone?), and then gets all sulky, angry, and critical of others when they don't use her stupid ideas and blindly follow her "leadership". It's more like attempted dictatorship, which when it doesn't work she says the other girls are "trying to shut her down". Hey, whatever works to shut her up. djandy
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01-22-04, 01:21 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
I think DT is watching much more closely then he lets on. The word has definatly gotten back to him about who gets along with whom
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01-22-04, 01:20 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
I have done some searching on the internet. She was a political appointee - which is much less important than an intern. There are 6000 political appointments a president can make each year. Her other claim to fame is being a consultant for the Miss USA pagent. I think this says much more about her. She is by far my least favorite of the girls. As far as the others go - until she is gone and done causing friction I refuse to judge them.
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teejax22 96 desperate attention whore postings
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01-22-04, 02:16 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
Well I can definitely judge some of the other girls that are still in the house while Omarosa is there. For instance the girl who kept telling Omarosa that she is a good person. (Kristina or Kristi.) In my head, I was like give it a rest...how many times is she gonna balk that out. It was obvious that Omarosa could care less yet she was even grabbing O's hand at one point to repeat that she is a good person. We all know that O is a Queen Bee and she knows how to push buttons. She knows how to get under their skins and every time these girls try to talk to her or justify themselves, they end up getting themselves upset while O is cool and calm. When are they going to learn to just leave her in her world and conduct business as best as they can. Her time will come once the girls get defeated...then they can yell out their issues in the boardroom. I'm sure Trump is going to love the cackling and flying emotions of these eight women. Oh sorry I should really say he would enjoy the cackling and flying emotions between O, Ereka, and Kristina (or Kristi.)
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02-05-04, 11:20 AM (EST)
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91. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
Give me a break!!!!
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Estee 57126 desperate attention whore postings
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01-22-04, 02:41 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
I'm amazed she would permit it to be called The White House. Isn't that name just a little bit racist? ;>
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networkinggirl 141 desperate attention whore postings
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01-22-04, 04:10 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
Hi all....First..I'm a woman living here in NYC. (Just wanted to give some background.) I have to politely disagree with the points made about Omarosa. Now, believe me, I do feel she's difficult. She is not pleasant...but then again, neither is the blonde woman that Trump has working for him on that show. But what everyone seems to overlook is that Omarosa never "loses it" the way Ereka and Katrina have. Sorry, but when it comes to running a husiness, I will always choose the one who can remain calm in times of conflict over someone volatile. Katarina and Ereka seem unstable. Omaarosa knows EXACTLY how to undermine them. (Which, BTW, a tactic I do not agree with.) She does not feed into the "drama" but rather side steps it. It drives the other, more insecure women, crazy. For the most part, all of the women (save for Amy, Omarosa, Jessie) emotionalize everything. It will be what ultimately gets them "fired." Heidi...well...sorry but she's just plain unnattractive and knows it, which is why she's constantly using her boobs as negotiating tools. Most likely she has had to survive on "shaking what her mama gave her" when it came to men. It just really amazes me how women will use the same tactics in business that they do in sex.Kristi is another woman more comfortable getting by on her looks than her smarts. I wasn't surprised at all to hear she did soft core porn. Troy is a bumpkin. He continues to use that accent as a way of wooing people...much like the women with their jiggle n' giggle act. The accent is used as a means to come across as "simple" which translates as "not a threat." Just plain tired, in my opinion. You're going to work in NYC, baby cakes...assimilate. Bill is insubordinate...plain and simple. He was the one who put Sam in the leadership role, therefore he should have been willing to sit back and take instruction from him. If he didn't respect him, then he shouldn't have made him project manager.
(As my father says "If you can't respect the person, at least respect the position.") Kwami offered fantastic insight...but AFTER they failed the task. Where was all the number crunching when they forst set out to purchase the items? Nick, to me, is the only viable male candidate. Amy is also a frontrunner. I really like her. She's just the right mix of confident, smart, strong, ballsy and feminine. The other women seem completely immature. Sorry, but they're window dressing. They're there to serve a dramatic purpose...not a business one.Just my two cents....
Oh yeah...thought Sam was going to go loco last night. He had crazy eyes, didn't he?
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PepeLePew13 26135 desperate attention whore postings
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01-23-04, 06:21 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
>But what everyone seems to overlook is
>that Omarosa never "loses it"
>the way Ereka and Katrina
>have. Sorry, but when it
>comes to running a husiness,
>I will always choose the
>one who can remain calm
>in times of conflict over
>someone volatile. Katarina and Ereka
>seem unstable. Omarosa knows EXACTLY
>how to undermine them. I watched the whole show last night (only saw part of it on Wednesday) and I will disagree here. The ladies (specifically Jessie) called a meeting to discuss the battles going on and they were trying to talk it out, but Oafarosa just got up halfway through and said she wasn't going to listen and then skulked off. Omarosa was NOT the calm one at that moment, while the other 7 were just calmly sitting there trying to resolve things. Oh, and there was the emotional over-reacting by Oafarosa to Ereeka's "pot is black" comment. A good team player or business person would have sat there and tried to resolve the issue, and a good team player would NOT be butting heads and having loud arguments with not one, not two, not three but FOUR different ladies over three shows. I work in an environment where my learners will often have conflicts with each other and one of the things that I've been taught in how to handle them is to look for common denominators with the conflicts and deal with it accordingly. In this case, the common denominator is Oafarosa -- she's been in the middle of EVERY conflict in the women's group so far.
 
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networkinggirl 141 desperate attention whore postings
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01-23-04, 10:39 AM (EST)
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17. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
Sorrry, pepe, but I'm to disagree with you completely. When Jessie called the meeting, it was specifically geared towards the conflict between Omarosa and Ereka. In a professional situation, that is not how you handle things. If I had two of my employees at each other's throats, I would never call a team meeting so that I could address this issue. That would be something I did one on one with one or both of them. Omarosa had no problem addressing the issue, but she wasn't going to sit there while 8 women poited a finger at her....and I don't blame her. Ereka is absolutely volatile, yet why is it that no one seems to confront HER about it or approach her in the way thatthey approach Omarosa? I 'll tell you why...because Ereka is totally insecure, the other women know it, and therefore she is not a threat to the other women. They will confront Omarosa because they are threatened by her.The fact that Katrina grabbed Omarosa's arm during their interaction--and Omarosa did not explode, lay a hand on, or yell at Katrina was impressive. In any business situation...when is laying a hand on anyone acceptable? Never. Yet why is no one addressing this? Had that been Ereka , she would have flipped out and there possibly could have been a fight. There's a fine line between being a dominant female and a ballistic wacko. I'll give you two examples from popular movies--Glenn Close in "Fatal Attraction" and Linda Fiorentino in "The Last Seduction." Both characters were ballsy, aggressive and unethical/immoral. But Glenn Close's character was dismissed as crazy, Linda Fiorentino's was dismissed as a #####. Why? Because Close's behavior was erratic and sloppy. She was ruled by her emotions and insecurities. Fiorentino's beahvior, on the other hand, was controlled and calculated. Close=crazy/Fiorentino=#####. I actually wrote a column about it (I'm a freelance writer on the side and write about sex and relationships.)
While I don't agree with Omarosa playing the race card, it was a tactic. A tactic used to keep the other women on the defensive. Again, she was being calculating. Bit by bit, Omarosa will reveal her vulnerability...but it will be completely calculated. She knows EXACTLY what she is doing.
Again, this is TV...you do not know for a fact that she has been the only common denominator. That's how she is being positioned by the network and the show. I find it hard to believe that there have not been NUMEROUS problems and infighting amongst several of the women that didn't even involve Omarosa. As I said previously..a good portion of those women lack emotional control. There's NO WAY that they have not had several fights and confrontations with women other than Omarosa.
Phew....well, I'm outta breath. Gotta quit smoking.
All I'm saying is that think that people are judging Omarosa harshly--granted she does appear to be asking for that judgement based on her behavior. Yes, she's unpleasant, but I believe most of those women are unbearable yet no one picks on their behavior (save for the sex sells aspect of it)the way they do Omarosa's. I don't think any of the women except Amy has a chance at winning. None of them are stellar candidates. Most of those women are embarrassments in my opinion.
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PepeLePew13 26135 desperate attention whore postings
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01-23-04, 11:40 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
>Ereka is absolutely volatile,
>yet why is it that
>no one seems to confront
>HER about it or approach
>her in the way that they
>approach Omarosa? Obviously the women disagree with you because they see Omarosa as a problem to team unity -- there weren't any comments made about Ereka in the meeting and it's obvious they value her on the team more than they do Omarosa.
>There's a fine line between being
>a dominant female and a
>ballistic wacko. I'll give you
>two examples from popular movies--Glenn
>Close in "Fatal Attraction" and
>Linda Fiorentino in "The Last
>Seduction." Both characters were ballsy,
>aggressive and unethical/immoral. But Glenn
>Close's character was dismissed as
>crazy, Linda Fiorentino's was dismissed
>as a #####. Why? Because
>Close's behavior was erratic and
>sloppy. She was ruled by
>her emotions and insecurities. Fiorentino's
>beahvior, on the other hand,
>was controlled and calculated. Close=crazy/Fiorentino=#####.
>I actually wrote a column
>about it (I'm a freelance
>writer on the side and
>write about sex and relationships.)
You're completely aware that is a MOVIE and this show is real? There's a world of difference -- in a movie, you can shape the characters any way you want, but reality is different. I could point out 20 other examples where a character is painted one way and yet another character turned into a psychopath. But they're not real characters, so we can't use those as examples.
>She knows EXACTLY what she is doing.
Sure. Get each of the other women against you. Makes sense. I'd also like to see her sit in front of The Donald and try to explain herself whenever the women finally do go to the boardroom to have someone fired.
>Again, this is TV...you do not
>know for a fact that
>she has been the only
>common denominator. That's how she
>is being positioned by the
>network and the show. I
>find it hard to believe
>that there have not been
>NUMEROUS problems and infighting amongst
>several of the women that
>didn't even involve Omarosa. As
>I said previously..a good portion
>of those women lack emotional
>control. There's NO WAY that
>they have not had several
>fights and confrontations with women
>other than Omarosa.
Yes... but there's a reason why we're being fed this stuff about Omarosa -- as in they've got to develop her character before she gets the boot really soon. We're being told that she's the common denominator in all of the problems -- if there's an interesting & relevant fight between any two of the other women, we'd be seeing it... but we're not seeing it because it has nothing to do with the story. Omarosa's battles is a story because she's got all of the women against her. You can bet that if all of the women were against Ereeka, we'd be seeing it. Ergo, Ereeka isn't the problem -- Omarosa is.
>Most of those women are embarrassments in my
>opinion.
Won't argue with you there. Like someone else mentioned further up, I think Amy is probably the only one who is a 'legitimate' player.
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networkinggirl 141 desperate attention whore postings
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01-23-04, 11:53 AM (EST)
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19. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
I;m well aware that this is "reality"...but it is reality TV. It's still entertainment, and they are still all characters.I totally disagree that the women value Ereka. The feedback concerning her job as project manager wasn't positive at all. She's erratic. The show is starting to position Omarosa in a different light. If you remember, they showed Amy and another woman disussing how positive Omarosa had been during the last challenge. Slowly but surely, Omarosa will win the women over. Katrina and Ereka will be one of the first ones to get the boot from the female team. And once the teams merge (as they likely will) Omarosa willmesh well with the remaining women (Amy, Tammy. Kristi, Jessie) as well as with the men. You may not like Omarosa but, next to Amy, she's the smartest women on that team. She does dort of come on too strong....but that doesn't mean she's not valuable. She probably deal better with men than women...which is why she's in politics. And, again, you hit the nail on the head. There weren't ANY comments made about Ereka's behavior in that group meeting that they had...but there should have been. Ereka is just as much at fault as Omarosa...but because Omarosa comes off as a stronger/belligerent character most viewers will only see Omarosa as being at fault. I meet women like Omarosa and Ereka every day living here in NYC....and whle the Omarosa's don't have as many friends , they are far more successful. The Erekas have plenty of friends but are not well respected.
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networkinggirl 141 desperate attention whore postings
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01-23-04, 04:01 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
Okay...again...this is BUSINESS. Just like th eopening credits state.."It isn't personal, it's just business."In business, I come across people every day that I don't like....but I don't get paid to like them nor do they get paid to like me. Do I think Omarosa is caustic and abrasive? Absolutely...but she's smarter than just about all those women. I think it's wonderful how Amy can walk that line and be friendly with all those women while still being an effective team mate/player....but very few people in the business world actually achieve that. But they're not hired to be everyone's friend. They're hired to do a job. I think Omarosa could improve her motivational skills, because that is vital in a key position of leadership. But at the end of the day it's about the bottom line. Hate to say it, but if I had Amy and Omarosa workign for me, and I had to let one of them go....I'd keep at the one who brough in the most revenue/profit. If Amy was revered by my staff but brough in less revenue than Omarosa...bye bye Amy. Omarosa was able to charm the advertising guys when presenting the ad campaign for the airline...but why do you think she was given that task? Because she obviously displayed SOMETHING that her team mates saw as worthwhile...and that was schmoozing the client. I don't care if she kicks puppies at the company picnic....if she makes me money then she stays. How many companies have lost truly great employees because they all worked for a tyranical boss? Thousands...but if that boss makes the company money, then they don't get fored no matter how many peopel complain about them. When Carolyn said that if you can not earn respect then you must demand it...why do you think she said that? Because she probably had to do that herself. I hardly see her charming the pants off people. But Trump values her. A lot. And that should say something about Omarosa's future.
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01-23-04, 04:15 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
Networkinggirl, you are so specific about what will happen next...Slowly but surely, Omarosa will win the women over. Katrina and Ereka will be one of the first ones to get the boot from the female team. And once the teams merge (as they likely will) Omarosa willmesh well with the remaining women (Amy, Tammy. Kristi, Jessie) as well as with the men. You may not like Omarosa but, next to Amy, she's the smartest women on that team. She does dort of come on too strong....but that doesn't mean she's not valuable. She probably deal better with men than women...which is why she's in politics. And Omarosa's qualities... Do I think Omarosa is caustic and abrasive? Absolutely...but she's smarter than just about all those women. Omarosa was able to charm the advertising guys when presenting the ad campaign for the airline...but why do you think she was given that task? Because she obviously displayed SOMETHING that her team mates saw as worthwhile...and that was schmoozing the client. Do you have inside information?? I have not seen anything that would indicate that Omarosa is smarter or smoother than any of the other women. 
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01-27-04, 05:54 PM (EST)
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47. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
(snip) I think it's wonderful how Amy
can walk that line and
be friendly with all those
women while still being an
effective team mate/player....but very few
people in the business world
actually achieve that. But they're
not hired to be everyone's
friend. They're hired to do
a job.----It is unnecessary in business that one be "friendly" with anyone: however, being an effective team player (which CERTAINLY has a direct effect on getting the job accomplished - or not-) entails getting people to cooperate with you. There are a million ways to be less than cooperative with someone you DISLIKE. It is not an advantage to the bottom line of any corporation to have someone so abrasive that they cannot be a team player.---------- (snip) I think Omarosa
could improve her motivational skills,
because that is vital in
a key position of leadership. ------- Yes, and I think it has an importance much greater than you are according it in your analysis of Oafarosa's performance thus far.-------------
(snip) How many companies
>have lost truly great employees
>because they all worked for
>a tyranical boss? Thousands...but if
>that boss makes the company
>money, then they don't get
>fored no matter how many
>peopel complain about them.
----------If this "boss" is running off truly great employees, what is the cost to the bottom line of the company? Recruiting costs, relocation costs, productivity losses due to vacant positions for a period of time, plus productivity losses when the new employees are coming up to speed in the job. These are all things which can be quantified, and if they are, it is the "tyrannical boss" who will wind up jobless.-----------
(snip)But Trump values
her. A lot.
---------And you base this on what evidence?----------
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networkinggirl 141 desperate attention whore postings
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01-29-04, 07:13 PM (EST)
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73. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
----It is unnecessary in business that one be "friendly" with anyone: however, being an effective team player (which CERTAINLY has a direct effect on getting the job accomplished - or not-) entails getting people to cooperate with you. There are a million ways to be less than cooperative with someone you DISLIKE. It is not an advantage to the bottom line of any corporation to have someone so abrasive that they cannot be a team player.----------And Omarosa has been a team player when it counts....doing the task. She made an effective, positive presentation to the client when she admitted to HATING that campaign in her POV address tothe camera. But she smiled through it and presented a united front. The ad campaign sold it self because it was edgy...but it was certainly helped along by a professional presentation. Each player has a role. Some women play the demure, giggle , demure types so as to schmooze. Others play the focused, to the point professional which most companies value as well. As for last week...even her team mates Amy and Jessie commented on how relieved they were to see Omarosa really putting forth effort and helping their team win.
------- Yes, and I think it has an importance much greater than you are according it in your analysis of Oafarosa's performance thus far.-------------
How's that? It's really unbelievable how argumentative some of the posters get when someone defends Omarosa-even the slightest bit. If you've rwad any of my posts, I have said several times she will not win BECAUSE her interpersonal skills need work.
What amazes me is how strong the reaction is concerning Omarosa when the other women have shown equally deplorable behavior. Which is more degrading to women--a woman who is abrasive or a woman who gobs on make up and thrusts her breasts at clients? Or how about this one...which is more unsettling...a woman who tells someone off or a woman who actually uses physical contact and abruptly grabs someone's wrist? One last one....a woman who keeps her compusre when in a conflict...or a woman who tosses around the "F" word?
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01-23-04, 06:38 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
If I had two of my employees at each other's throats, I would never call a team meeting so that I could address this issue.Exactly! A good manager would never call a group meeting to discuss what boils down to conflicts with one person. That is unfair to that one person. I agree that the proper way to handle that situation in the "real" world is to first speak to the indivuals one on one, then speak with them together, always making sure that the discussion ground rules are set forth first. The more I read these posts, the more I am convinced that Omarosa's race card baiting was a tactic to see who would bite and who would be easily manipulated. If she was really offended by the comment, I would say that the proper way of handling it would have been to speak to the person who made the comment one on one. For example, I was sitting in a series of board meetings throughout December. One of the board members made this comment several times "this all-white board could look bad." Well, I'm not white. I'm a latina. Now, I could have pointed out his error in front of the entire board, but I didn't. I waited until I had a moment alone with him and simply said, "hey Dan, I'm Mexican." Short, sweet, to the point. He later sent a very apologetic email to me. But, if I would have confronted him in front of our peers, he would have become defensive and I would have looked like a b*tch (see the first paragraph above re: group confrontations). 
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01-23-04, 07:25 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
LAST EDITED ON 01-23-04 AT 07:29 PM (EST)>Exactly! A good manager would
>never call a group meeting
>to discuss what boils down
>to conflicts with one person. One problem with this... there isn't a manager -- they're equal peers when they're at ease and not in a competition. And if Omarosa is so skilled at pushing buttons and getting the best out of other workers, then why isn't she a bigger success and why does she need to go on a show like this? Let's face it... Omarosa doesn't have good people skills and in most industries, that wouldn't go very far in being successful. In this show, you want to avoid being one of the three people facing the music from The Donald when your team has to go to the boardroom, and you can bet Omarosa is going to be selected as one of the other two people the first few times the women are going to the boardroom (if she's not the group leader). Why see if you can push the other women's buttons so far to set them off repeatedly when you should be trying to work together in a positive way so they'll remember you did your part when the group leader picks who the other two she'll be fingering?
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01-23-04, 06:12 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: Sam: Portrait of a Serial Killer" |
After lots of insightful commentary about some of the candidates, Networking Girl wrote:>Oh yeah...thought Sam was going to
>go loco last night. He
>had crazy eyes, didn't he? You betcha he did! LOL! As soon as I saw The Donald say, "You're fired" to Sam, and the camera panned back to Sam's face, I had some serious heebiejeebies! Really, I thought Sam's head was going to spin, and he'd projectile vomit pea soup at The Donald. (Sorry for the gross description, but it fits!) I was waiting for Sam to jump across the table and have some sort of breakdown. The man is freaky.
Lori
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01-26-04, 12:12 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
Wow, what a homogenized company you work for. I also work in NYC and we have all sorts of accents. True, the longer you live there, the more your accent fades. But everyday I hear southern, New Englander, California, Russian, Indian, and yes, even Montana "country bumpkin" type speech. Surprised that you give Nick so much credit for being viable when he was the one (along with Bill) to come up with the boring TV ad, as well as the one to give Sam the very bad advice as to when to buy gold. I like Nick. He is one of my favorites, but I've seen several mistakes that he has made, IMO, at least.
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92. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
>
>I have to politely disagree with
>the points made about Omarosa.
>Now, believe me, I do
>feel she's difficult. She is
>not pleasant...but then again, neither
>is the blonde woman that
>Trump has working for him
>on that show. But what
>everyone seems to overlook is
>that Omarosa never "loses it"
>the way Ereka and Katrina
>have.
Finally some one who is not one way about Omarosa!! I just see as she had a mission when she came on this show, and that was to win.Omarosa is just as much to blame for the bickering as is the other girls. The only reason why she does not get as much group support is because she does not whine and cry about everything. The pot calling the kettle black was dumb, and I'm sure she knows it, at that time I just think that she wanted piss the girl off. If anyone can remember I think it was episode two or three where Someone explain Omarosa and Ereka as a problem because the bump heads. She then went on to say something to the point how Ereka is Italian and they are very passionate, and how Omarosa is very agumentative.OKAY? I think that Omaerosa is no different then any other girl on this show, she just don't give a what, and she will tell you that to your face. Now that is what may be the problem for her, because she needs some support within the group. I think that she has come to realize! Oh yeah has anyone mentioned Katrina's aggressive behavior, when somebody is not listening to you, you just can't grab their arm. She is lucky Omarosa did not back slap her.
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32. "RE: Bullish" |
I'm watching Omarosa's behavior on The Apprentice, and she seems awfully impulsive and overly defensive.She is allowing herself to get sucked into confrontations left and right, and she pulled out the racial slur argument incorrectly. Three red flags to someone like DT. Omarosa is being engaged in a battle that leaves ALL involved looking like fools. If she could just deal with the conflicts with as much grace, discretion and calmness as possible, she would come across so much better regardless of what the conflict is about. In such a high position, there are going to be those who are out to sabotage your efforts. They will learn what they can about you, and if they can push 10 of your buttons to set you off -- they will, and they will either find or create even more buttons to push to make you look like an unworthy idiot. Granted in a normal situation, DT would never see the arguments unless they brought it to the office, but this is not a normal situation. Omarosa needs to present herself at all times while on the show as if she is being watched by DT.... because she is. If Omarosa gives in to these types of tactics, then who is to say she wouldn't have an outburst at a local club. Her public display may be a personal matter, but it still reflects badly on DT. If she was an employee of Trump's, her every action would and could reflect on the company. You never know who could be sharing her space at that particular club at that particular moment, and it may very well be a business client that DT is trying to engage in business. Omarosa is obviously worthy of her place in the competition, otherwise, she wouldn't be on the show. It's just surprising to see one of her accomplishment lose it so easily. She made it all the way to the White House, so a show like this should be a walk in the park for her. I have worked with the type A personalities that find different ways to cause trouble at work, and it's like a virus in the company. Their troublesome ways can break down morale, work relationships and drastically change a positive work environment to a hostile work environment where everyone is more interested in covering their ownasses rather than working as a team. Did she carry this type of behavior over to the White House? Probably not at first, so it would have been her qualifications that got her in the door. Once in, however, if she behaved this way, it would have been a short stay. IMHO
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01-24-04, 10:47 AM (EST)
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33. "RE: Bullish" |
Hi there.....
I don't think Omarosa gets "sucked in" to anything. She enters into things willingly because she knows that she can turn any argument around leaving her opponent looking worse than herself.
Remember her exchnage with Katrina? Who's demeanor and language was more abrasive, juvenile and "bitchy".....Omarosa's or Katrina's? Sorry...but Katrina went from zero to sixty in a matter of seconds while all Omarosa kept saying was "You ARE a good person, you ARE successful Katrina." Omarosa wasn't being sincere as much as she was being calculated. The more Katrina went on the attack, the calmer Omarosa became....which just frustrated Katrina more. Katrina wasn't getting the reaction out of Omarosa that she wanted which cause Katrina to get more upset, more verbally aggressive, etc. It was a ploy and Katarina got "sucked in." Try to notice how Omarosa interacts with Amy and Kristi. Both of them found Omarosa easy to deal with the other night during their task. Omarosa knows that she can not undermne those two. Plus she knows that they are the two women (or at least Amy is) that carry the most weight with the team. That's why there aren't as any conflicts with them. Jessie is smart, but she's too meek. Heidi is a bimbo, Tammy is unpleasant, Katrina and Ereka are insecure/volatile...in other words...the level of respect for those women is rather small. Omarosa clashes with the weaker women because the weaker women are threatened by her. And she knows it...and she loves it. But Omarosa also knew she had to get into Amy's good graces in order to save her place on that team. Again, you could work on a team and be hated by 9 out of 10 people...but if that 10th person is a favorite of the boss, then the boss is going to put faith in that 10th person's opinion and not the other 9. So, essentially, the boss won't care what the other 9 people think...only that 10th person. Amy is that "10th person." If Omarosa is in politics, then she must have studied law and debating on some level. Like any good lawyer, she puts people on the defensive and gets the reactions she wants. her "jury" is the other women on the team. Omarosa's conflicts are always public for this reason. What's the point in exposing someone's weakness if no one else is there to see it?
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01-27-04, 09:45 AM (EST)
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41. "RE: Omarosa is Obnoxiousosa" |
At first I thought that - but doesnt she normally work with the guys. The previews show they guys selling fake autographs. I think she is telling the guys not the girls.
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01-23-04, 03:29 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
If she did such a great a job at the White House what the heck is she doing appearing on a reality tv show?
With the Sam scenario now behind us, the attention will now totally shift to Omarosa. As with the guys, the girls will feel the need to relieve themselves of the main stressor in their group, that being "Omarosa". Last week's episode was "Bye bye Sammy", and next, we will have "Bye bye Omarosa".
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"You can't fire me, I don't work for you, so you can just talk to the hand!....."
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01-23-04, 03:51 PM (EST)
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22. "The problem is..." |
Protege doesn't decide who goes, Trump does.And he gets to make that decision based on a lot of factors, including his witnessing of Boardroom behavior, reports from his lackeys, and input from the producers. - Would he really pick Omarosa to go over Ereka, if both were in the Boardroom together? Ereka would be more likely to have an emotional outburst in the Boardroom, while Omarosa can compartively keep her cool in a confrontation. We've seen her have blowouts with both Katrina and Ereka where she's held herself together bettern than either of them. The person more likely to explode under the pressure of confrontation is the person more likely to be canned. - Would he pick Omarosa to go over Heidi? Compare their parts of the presentation to Deutsch Advertising. Omarosa presented a more professional image standing in front of the conference room, while Heidi slunk across the table and pushed out her boobs. And then there was Heidi's gold dance during the "negotiation". - And would he pick Omarosa to go over the project manager who led the failed project? Previews show that the task is managing a restaurant, and the previews also show the women being chastised for their lack of professionalism in their tactics. Given Jason's firing over Sam in E2, it would make sense that the project manager would be at great risk...and she can't avoid the Boardroom if her team loses. Sure, she can take Omarosa with her, but she'd have a lot of 'splainin to do about the team's failure. If this were a game where the team picked the boot, then yeah, throw a challenge and vote her out 7-1. But in this format, throwing a challenge to get rid of one person exposes two others to the risk of elimination. And given some of the antics that have been pulled by some of these women so far, it's not a risk worth taking.   Snarky, smart, S7 Anti-Bootee Champ
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01-27-04, 09:49 AM (EST)
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43. "RE: The problem is..." |
I agree but she wont win because they will keep sending her everytime they lose.
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01-27-04, 09:48 AM (EST)
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42. "RE: The problem is..." |
See my post above - they show you the girls then, they show the woman - they do NOT show them in the same shot. The previews showed the guys selling fake autographs - this I think would be much more of a chastise then using sex (which I dont agree with). I am just not 100%on the band wagon that its the girls being chastised. Also, if it is then - they win again.
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01-27-04, 08:05 PM (EST)
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50. "Firing trends" |
Let's look at the facts so far.There have been three challenges. After two of them, the losing team leader has been canned. In the third, the guys actually did a very good job with the lemonade business, even though they were outsold once the women started selling a different product. Thus, it looks like the best way to get someone out of the game is to make that person team leader, then perform the challenge poorly as a team, so that no one is an obvious boot candidate exceptr for the leader. Now that the women have learned that the strategy works, look for them to try it fairly quickly. However, I think Protege may make Kristi team leader for this task, considering her restaurant experience, because I think they want to prove to themselves that they can still beat the men even without Sam's help. If they succeed, which we'll know soon enough, look for Omarosa to get sandbagged in the next challenge.
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networkinggirl 141 desperate attention whore postings
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01-27-04, 09:22 PM (EST)
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51. "RE: Firing trends" |
I don't think there really is any "trend" since there haven't been enough successive instances of anything to actually call something a trend. Troy wasn't fired after he helmed the first task, David was. Jason was canned becasue he made the crucial mistake of not going to the client (ad agency) to discuss their goals/desires of the campaign. That wasn't a simple oversight...that was a HUGE mistake and one that would have cost a company millions of dollars. Sam was fired because he was already on thin ice and probably because Trump made his own assessment of Sam's work based on what Carolyn and George told him along with his personal observations.Kristi will probably end up being the women's team manager for this week....but she will not be canned if they lose...and it's likely that the women will lose. Remember, Trump and the network have a say in who wins/loses, stays/goes. If the women contine to win, NBC can kiss a decent portion of the male viewership goodbye. I'm a woman and even I have to say that if the women resort to sex again and win a task, I will reconsider watching the show. Sorry, those women are an embarrassment to my gender. (Except for Amy and Jessie.) if the women lose and Kristi is the PM , then she will choose one person from the task who messed up and she will pick either Katrina or Ereka to go. Omarosa will stick around for atleast another week or two. Once it gets down to the final 8 or so then they'll be enough suspense do dispense woth the additional drama of Omarosa. But Omarosa=ratings right now. P.S. Anybody else see a connection between Omarosa's mentioned pagentry hobby and that she does beauty pageant consulting....and Trump owns the Miss America Pageant? She menmtioned her love of beauty pageants in her bio. Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmm.......... Those previews, to me, seem really misleading. Do the men really use Kwaami and lie that he is an athlete? C'mon...do you really think that they would say "Hey, we have a tall African American on our team...let's play off of a sterotype and say he's a famous athlete. C'mon Guys..it'll work. He's black!" (note: That was said tongue in cheek.) If they do do that, forget it...they're a bunch of bozos who have no right to win.
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landruajm 6040 desperate attention whore postings
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01-29-04, 12:05 PM (EST)
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55. "RE: Firing trends" |
>If the women contine to win, NBC can kiss a decent portion of >the male viewership goodbye. Huh? Men are only gonna watch if there are hunky guys left on the show? Riiiiight. And no one's watching anyway--they don't know when the bloody show is on. >I'm a woman and even I have to say that if the women resort
>to sex again and win a task, I will reconsider watching the >show. Sorry, those women are an embarrassment to my gender. Hello? It's a game. Why wouldn't they use whatever gives them the best chance to win? And what's wrong with it if they do? Other than the flaws in the game design, I mean. Which are, given the results so far (and there's no reason to expect much change, since the men are, collectively, a pretty dramatically stupid lot), massive. >If they do do that, forget it...they're a bunch of bozos who >have no right to win. Sigh. And they've shown any penchant for not being bozos how, exactly? The men trip all over themselves to blame each other for failures caused by their own egos and their inability to share the sandbox. That's gonna stop just because Sammy is gone? Uhm...yeah, right. But just for fun, let's extend "they" to everyone on the show, except, to throw you a bone, for Amy, who is pretty clearly trying to skate through by trusting that the conflict between the other female contestants will bubble to the top and leave her unscathed, and Jessie, who...uhm...wait, I thought they just sorta introduced her to the show in that effing awful "Let's Kill Off Our Only Interesting Male Contestant" episode. Let's see, is she the one who just graduated high school or something? So the question was, who in this game isn't a bozo?
And one more thing? It is so not business. It's a game. Applying business analogies to this show is like applying wilderness analogies to Survivor.
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networkinggirl 141 desperate attention whore postings
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01-29-04, 04:57 PM (EST)
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65. "RE: Firing trends" |
"And one more thing? It is so not business. It's a game. Applying business analogies to this show is like applying wilderness analogies to Survivor. "Wilderness analogies? Like what the right way and wrong is to build a hut? This absolutely is about business, since Trump (slash network) is the one doing the "voting off." Survivor doesn't have representatives watching their evey move. The Aprrenctice uses George and Carolyn to monitor the team's behavior. Not business? So why did Jason get the boot? Cause he f---- up and in an actual business setting he would have lost a company millions. Sam was fired for being a poor leader. Don't you think that Trump wanted to keep him just for ratings purposes? If he could have, he would have. But Sam was not leadership material. Buh-bye Sam.
"Hello? It's a game. Why wouldn't they use whatever gives them the best chance to win? And what's wrong with it if they do?"
Uhhh...because behavior like that in the workplace would get a company sued. And because it could cause the company to lose credibility. If they want to use sex to win...fine. But then they should "hire" someone to do the jiggling and giggling. More than likely, the top executives at Hooters and Playboy don't allow their employees to walk around in short-shorts and tight t-shirts. That's what the waitresses are for.
"And no one's watching anyway--they don't know when the bloody show is on."
Do you read a newspaper? Before it went up against AmericanIdol it was the highest rated reality series ever--or at least the premiere garned the highest ratings and then it dropped off a small margin.
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landruajm 6040 desperate attention whore postings
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01-29-04, 05:30 PM (EST)
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70. "RE: Firing trends" |
>Wilderness analogies? Like what the right
>way and wrong is to
>build a hut? This absolutely
>is about business, since Trump
>(slash network) is the one
>doing the "voting off." Survivor
>doesn't have representatives watching their
>evey move. Sure it does. They're just tribemates. Business is the context of this game, just like the wilderness is the context of Survivor. That doesn't do anything to get either context any closer to reality. >The Aprrenctice uses
>George and Carolyn to monitor
>the team's behavior. Not business?
>So why did Jason get
>the boot? Cause he f----
>up and in an actual
>business setting he would have
>lost a company millions. Sam
>was fired for being a
>poor leader. Don't you think
>that Trump wanted to
>keep him just for ratings
>purposes? If he could have,
>he would have. But Sam
>was not leadership material. Buh-bye
>Sam. As I think I said earlier--it is my opinion that Sam's colleagues set him up. And I think you're being just too darned kind to Jason. But that's my opinion. >Uhhh...because behavior like that in the
>workplace would get a company
>sued. And because it could
>cause the company to lose
>credibility. If they want to
>use sex to win...fine. But
>then they should "hire" someone
>to do the jiggling and
>giggling. More than likely, the
>top executives at Hooters and
>Playboy don't allow their employees
>to walk around in short-shorts
>and tight t-shirts. That's what
>the waitresses are for. Again--this isn't the workplace. It's a game. The Donald is under no obligation to select a winner based on the reality of the workplace. And he may or may not do so. >Do you read a newspaper? Before
>it went up against AmericanIdol
>it was the highest rated
>reality series ever--or at least
>the premiere garned the highest
>ratings and then it dropped
>off a small margin. Sure. And then, after the premiere, they began to jerk their viewing audience around without mercy. But I'll happily concede that you have taken the trouble to obtain more precise information on the ratings than I have. How'd they do on the second episode (the Thursday night run, after rerunning the first ep on Wednesday)? Just curious--I really didn't look. Their marketing strategy has just appeared to me to be pretty crappy ("we're on Wednesday, no, Thursday, no, it's a rerun, no, Wednesday/Thursday/AUGGGGHHHHH!!!!). Speaking as, y'know, a strictly unsophisticated viewer. With little business experience. From the sticks.
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01-27-04, 06:06 PM (EST)
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49. "RE: Monica" |
LOL wildchickenhunter, I was thinking that Omarosa probably experienced a lot of her "White House success" under the desks!
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01-30-04, 12:09 PM (EST)
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86. "RE: The tea pot is black" |
> What if Erika had
>said that "the tea pot
>is yellow" The difference is that "the pot calling the kettle black is a commonly quoted saying from Cervantes' Don Quixote. It's universally understood meaning is to describe someone who is guilty of exactly what they accuse another to be guilty of. However, "the tea pot is yellow" is not a saying that is commonly understood or has longstanding meaning. If Erika was having a fight with Tammy and would have said this, it could have been reasonably construed to be racist.
> I don't
>see the girls acting in
>a racist manner if they
>treat Tammy with respect and
>not Omarosa? I see
>it more as a personality
>conflict.
I agree that this is probably a personality conflict, but just because one person of color escapes attack does not mean that there is not racism at play. > Yes, Omarosa
>lives in a society where
>she has to deal with
>racism everyday, but so does
>Tammy! Yes, all people of color have suffered racism in the U.S., but I believe that the African-American experience is different than that of Asian-Americans. And, I believe that racism is much more overt against African-Americans. For example, studies have shown that juries will find against Black women more than any other group because they don't trust them.
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networkinggirl 141 desperate attention whore postings
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01-29-04, 12:51 PM (EST)
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56. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
Whether or not Omarosa's feelings about Ereka's comment are valid is subjective. If she did find it racist and offensive...we have no right to say how she should feel. Those are HER feelings. We may not agree with them, but we should respect them.However, if she feigned being offended then it was likely a strategy that she used to smoke out Ereka's volatility. It's a competition. People on Survivor use these types of tactics all the time. This is Outwit, Outplay, Outlast for The Boardroom...anything goes. How Omarosa handles her competition and how Omarose handles herself with a client or in a professional atmosphere are two different things. Are you guys telling me that if you were up for a job, and it was between you and someone else, and you truly felt that the other person wasn't deserving of the position due to behavior you had witnessed....wouldn't you do whatever it took to make sure that the person doing the hiring so those aspects of them , too? We're talking about $250,000 and a "job" (or at least fantastic reference from Donald Trump.) Toughest economy in years, few jobs to go around. Maybe you have a family to support or debt to pay off? Sorry, but if anyone says that they would take the high road, I;m not buying it. As long as it didn't require breaking the law, you'd do whatever it took to get that job. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The whole pot calling the kettle black comment was innapropriate. I'm sorry, but ANYBODY with common sense would have relaized that-in that dynamic of Omarosa and Ereka--using that phrase was going to cause a reaction. It was a dumb thing to say, even if it wasn't meant to be racist. As I stated in an earlier post about having Kwaami pose as an athlete....what the motivation was doesn't matter, it's how it appeared to those outside looking in. Ereka didn't think--as usual-because she's ruled by her emotions. Common sense should have prevailed and she should have bit her tongue. It was a stupid, immature comment.
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01-29-04, 01:06 PM (EST)
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57. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
Well, you had me right up until your second paragraph. I have been up against undeserving people for jobs, but never have I felt that I needed to try to make someone else look bad in order to further my chances. I am confident enough in my own talents and experience to rely on them to get me the job. If you're the best possible candidate, all you have to do is prove it. It is unprofessional to do otherwise, no matter how desperate the situation.As far as the inappropriateness of the comment, I'll agree that I wouldn't have used that particular analogy. However, it is somewhat innocuous (racially speaking) and you seem to criticize Ereka for emotionalism when, in fact, both women were reacting emotionally. Don't quite see how that makes one worse than the other. If the comment was stupid and immature, then Omarosa's reaction to it was doubly so. 
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01-29-04, 04:41 PM (EST)
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64. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
I can land a job based on my qualifications and experience. I don't have to make the other guy look bad. If someone who is up for a position in my office comes up to me and starts blathering on about another applicant's pitfalls, that signals a weakness in the person doing the blathering. If they had faith in their own ability to perform in the job, they wouldn't feel the need to cut up the competition. As soon as a salesperson starts cutting up the competition, I tell them to come back when they have enough confidence in their product to let it speak for itself. Omarosa has demonstrated that she is a sh*t disturber. She doesn't get along with her co-workers. If you think that doesn't matter as long as she meets her quota, you are very short-sighted. People like this will drag you through the mud. A happy worker is a productive worker. Sounds corny, but it's proven. I'd look up references for you, but I'm not the one that needs convincing. To suggest that "That's the pot calling the kettle black" is a racial slur is beyond ridiculous. If that's a racist statement, then the word "black" may as well be stricken from the language, because any sentence containing that word could be perceived as racist. Again, this is self-doubting Omarosa attempting to find fault with the competition. It's not shrewd, just very telling of her most glaring weakness. 
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01-29-04, 01:38 PM (EST)
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59. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
>we have no right to say how she should feel. Those are HER >feelings. We may not agree with them, but we should respect >them. Uhm...yes we do have such a right. She's agreed to make herself a public figure by virtue of being on the show. As for respect, it's earned. You don't earn my respect--in any context--by being as big a jacka$$ as Omarosa manages to make herself in every single situation that involves dealing with others, even the nimrod Tammy. Just like she explicitly said she'd do, in the very first episode. Finally: anyone whose first language is American English and claims to be offended by that particular idiom is going out of their way to be offended. Or they're contriving being offended. >However, if she feigned being offended then it was likely a
>strategy that she used to smoke out Ereka's volatility. It's
>a competition. People on Survivor use these types of tactics
>all the time. This is Outwit, Outplay, Outlast for The
>Boardroom...anything goes. How Omarosa handles her competition >and how Omarose handles herself with a client
>or in a professional atmosphere are two different things. Ah. So now it's not business, it's a game. And strategy is okay here, but not okay if the guys feign that Kwame is a famous athlete? Are you actually Omarosa, or do you just play her on this board? >Are you guys telling me that if you were up for a job, and it >was between you and someone else, and you truly felt that
>the other person wasn't deserving of the position due to
>behavior you had witnessed....wouldn't you do whatever it took >to make sure that the person doing the hiring so those
>aspects of them , too? Well...no, I wouldn't. Because that's pretty classless behavior, in a professional environment. And it would send a message to the hiring official that I didn't trust their judgment. If I were the hiring person and you did that sort of thing, it would no longer be between you and anybody. >We're talking about $250,000 and a "job" (or at least
>fantastic reference from Donald Trump.) And Mark Burnett. Since, by going on this show, I'm probably trying to spark a show-biz career--I'd rather get the reference from Marky-Mark. >Toughest economy in years, few jobs to go around. Maybe
>you have a family to support or debt to pay off? Sorry, but if >anyone says that they would take the high road, I;m not
>buying it. Okay, don't buy it. But you're wrong, which is certainly your entitlement. When you do a thing like that to get a job, you have to live with the job. And the people you manipulated. In this case: Donald Trump. Who has witnesses watching everything you do. Yeah, he's not likely pass judgment on you for that. >I've said it before and I'll say it again. The whole pot >calling the kettle black comment was innapropriate. It was not. It was an idiom, and its use was right on target. Further, it had nothing to do with race. Omarosa did, in fact, deliberately twist the matter in an effort to create additional tension, which she perceives as being to her advantage (sorry to startle you by agreeing with any portion of your otherwise tragically flawed argument, which appears to revolve around the concept that "Omarosa is good" and ignore any fact or reason that points toward any other outcome--hmm, wait, I forgot the "Erika is bad" stuff...my bad, Omarosa). >As I stated in an earlier post about having Kwaami pose as
>an athlete....what the motivation was doesn't matter, it's how >it appeared to those outside looking in. But...but...it's just a strategy, Omarosa! They're just doing what it takes to get the big job! But it really is nice of the occasional reality TV star to drop in here. By the way, Omarosa, any truth to the rumor that you were born male?
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networkinggirl 141 desperate attention whore postings
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01-29-04, 02:31 PM (EST)
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61. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
LAST EDITED ON 01-29-04 AT 03:29 PM (EST)Whether she's in a public position or private one, we have no right to dictate how she should feel. Not our job. If that's how you conduct your life, that's fine. But I doubt that it's working for you. So, Omarosa is a jackass? Hmmmm...was she a jackass when she tried to help Tammy mesh with the group by offerring advice how to fit in? Was she a jackass when she came up with an idea to choose the PM by picking a name rather than leave it up to debate and potentially getting someone put into the boardroom to be fired who may not have deserved it since the PM of the losing team is automatically put in fron of Mr. Trump? Was she a jackass when she calmly approached Ereka at that same moment stating "Wow...did you see how you just got?" and Ereka hurled back her "Honey Baby Sweetie" condescending defensiveness? Was she a jackass when she put a huge smile on her face and confidently presented the airline campaign (which she vocalized that she didn't like)and even went so far as to say that it was "Damn good." Was she a jackass when she opted to tell Katarina one on one rather than in front of the whole group that she felt Katrina was being phony and that she didn't appreciate Katrina singling her out in a public conversation? Was she a jackass when she tried to remove herself from an overly emotional Katrina and was harshly pawed by an irrational Katrina? Was she a jackass when she offered to get her legs waxed? Wow...give a woman a vagina and an opinion and she's a jackass in your book, huh?
Now, I could sit here and say that you sound like you have either never worked in a cut throat environment or live in a small city/town with no "Big City" mentality. But that would be wrong since I don't know you. You, on the other hand, like to tell me how "wrong" I am. It's my opinion. You may not agree with it....but you are in no position to tell me it's right or wrong. Last I checked you did not create an sort of idealogy or dictum stating laws of ethics. If I;m wrong please feel free to share with me your findings.
As far as my ideas on getting a high powered/high salaried job....sorry if you don't like it, but unfortunately that is how some people conduct themseves in the business world. Do I agree with it? I don't know. It's subjective. And...having been in two companies where all the employees were forced to go to sensitivity training courses, I can state for a fact that the exact line of "pot calling the kettle black" was used as an example of things NOT to say in the workplace....at least not to an African American employee.
"Ah. So now it's not business, it's a game. And strategy is okay here, but not okay if the guys feign that Kwame is a famous athlete?"
Exactly. It's a competition. Outwit, Outplay, Outlast. My point? There's strategy, and there's fraud. Do i really need to exlain to you the difference between Omarosa smoking out little Ereka and Kwaami posing as an athlete in order for the establishment to make money?
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frisky 11695 desperate attention whore postings
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01-29-04, 05:01 PM (EST)
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66. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
>Wow...give a woman a vagina and an opinion and she's a jackass in your book, huh?Huh! You know, I think if Omarosa read Landru's post, she might come to the same conclusion. It's a stretch to accuse Landru of chauvinism based on his post, but it's certainly not beneath Omarosa to do so. Considering the way you endorse the Omarosa method of slithering into organizations, it doesn't surprise me that you'd end up in organizations that would "force" their employees into "sensitivity training." I've also noticed in this thresd how you seem to be very adept at understanding Omarosa's motivation behind every single move she makes. How would the average viewer know that?
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landruajm 6040 desperate attention whore postings
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01-29-04, 05:18 PM (EST)
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68. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
>Whether she's in a public position or private one, we have no right to dictate how she should feel. Not our job. If that's how you conduct your life, that's fine. But I doubt that it's
working for you. You mean the part where I watch reality TV shows and make fun of the media whores (and please understand that I use that word in a gender-neutral sense--Sam is one too...come to think of it, so's The Donald)? Actually, it works fine. But I appreciate your concern for my moral fiber. She has placed herself in a position to be judged by viewers. I judge her. I judge how she says she feels. It's part of why a lot of people here watch certain TV shows. >So, Omarosa is a jackass? Hmmmm...was she a jackass when she
tried to help Tammy mesh with the group by offerring advice how to fit in? Possibly not; I'll grant that I can't judge her motivation with any certainty. She was, however, a jacka$$ when she burned the bridge so quickly after Tammy had a little trouble getting it--and showed the same desire to be confrontational that Omarosa has, at times, shown her ownself. >Brak brak brak was she a jacka$$ when... Okay, you got me. She's not a jacka$$ every second of every day; that would be pretty hard for anyone to sustain, I'm sure. On balance, she's a jacka$$. In my opinion. >Was she a jackass when she came up with an idea to choose the PM by picking a name rather than leave it up to debate and potentially getting someone put into the boardroom to be fired who may not have deserved it since the PM of the losing team is
automatically put in fron of Mr. Trump? No, she was decreasing her chance of being put in that position to 1 in 8. And then did her level best to undercut the person who became PM. Which was a perfectly valid, if risky, strategy. >Was she a jackass when she calmly approached Ereka at that
same moment stating "Wow...did you see how you just got?"
and Ereka hurled back her "Honey Baby Sweetie" condescending defensiveness? Your bile about Erika (and I'm sorry, I don't know which of us is consistently misspelling her name) is matched only by my bile about Omarosa. As I think I acknowledged somewhere--and I apologize if I did not do so explicitly--I agree with you wholeheartedly that Omarosa's stance toward Erika is strategic in nature and that she sees a weakness she's trying to exploit. However, her behavior is pretty passive-aggressive. We could quibble about whether that's jacka$$ery, but I doubt we'll stoop to that. Can we perhaps agree that passive-aggressiveness is obnoxious or annoying or somewhere in that range? >Was she a jackass when she opted to tell Katarina one on one rather than in front of the whole group that she felt Katrina was
being phony and that she didn't appreciate Katrina singling her
out in a public conversation? After she regularly singles out others in public conversations? Yeah, I personally think so--I'm willing to assume hypocrisy as a component of jacka$$ery. >Was she a jackass when she offered to get her legs waxed? You will never, ever catch me smacking on anyone for going to that level of pain for reasons not related to vanity. >Wow...give a woman a vagina and an opinion and she's a jackass in your book, huh? Nice leap of logic, there, since presumably the other seven women on the show have vaginas and opinions. For the record, I think that several of them are jacka$$es. And I think that each and every one of the male contestants is a jacka$$. The incredibly generalized nature of your reaction, combined with it's overt attempt to provoke a hostile response, however, reminds me of someone. Not sure who, but I'm sure I'll stop dragging my knuckles long enough to get my primitive brain wrapped around it eventually, I'm sure. >Now, I could sit here and say that you sound like you have either never worked in a cut throat environment or live in a small city/town with no "Big City" mentality. But that would be
wrong since I don't know you. Actually, it would be wrong because it's untrue, and I hope you'll note that I have publicly drawn absolutely no conclusions about your person or experience based on your few posts here. I've lived my entire adult life--and most of the rest of my life--in a large East Coast city and its environs. And I spent almost 20 years working for a large ugly corporate evil empire in which managers were handicapped by an environment where frivolous, malicious, and/or false whistleblowing was encouraged to the point where employees could not be managed. I am, however, deeply remorseful that my ideas do not match up to your notion of the sophistication engendered by living in big cities and working in cutthroat environments. I'll try to work on that one, thanks. >You, on the other hand, like to tell me how "wrong" I am. It's
my opinion. You may not agree with it....but you are in no position to tell me it's right or wrong. Last I checked you did
not create an sort of idealogy or dictum stating laws of ethics. If I;m wrong please feel free to share with me your findings. Ah! Those were opinions. See, I was all confused, because I don't recall seeing that word in any of the posts to which I responded, which seemed to be to consist of assertions. Y'know, much like mine. If I'm wrong about that, I sincerely apologize. But I really do defy you to find a substantive difference in the tones of our respective posts. Clearly, you are absolutely correct that we have several nontrivial differences of opinion. I would like to clarify that I don't think I told you you're wrong, although I'm quite certain that I did take issue with some of your written ideas. >As far as my ideas on getting a high powered/high salaried
job....sorry if you don't like it, but unfortunately that is
how some people conduct themseves in the business world. Do
I agree with it? I don't know. It's subjective. Most definitely not what you said. Put this way, I agree with you--it is how some people conduct themselves. I wouldn't even have responded to it, had you put it as you did here. Your case, however, overtly doubted that any reader would do what I characterized as, to paraphrase, the right thing. >And...having been in two companies where all the employees were forced to go to sensitivity training courses, I can state for
a fact that the exact line of "pot calling the kettle black" was used as an example of things NOT to say in the workplace....at
least not to an African American employee. Been there too, and never got that one, which is of no relevance to the fact that you experienced it. However, I stand by my opinion that the kettle line is a bit of a stretch--one needs to be looking to be offended to get there. Much like the classic "800-pound gorilla" idiom, which many persons of color find offensive--and which pretty much eliminates the use of the word "gorilla" in any context that doesn't involve wildlife studies. I will guess, from your choice of the verb "force," that perhaps you were as unimpressed by your experiences with sensitivity training as I have been with mine? >Exactly. It's a competition. Outwit, Outplay, Outlast. My point? There's strategy, and there's fraud. Do i really need to exlain to you the difference between Omarosa smoking out little Ereka and Kwaami posing as an athlete in order for the
establishment to make money? Well...in a legal sense, perhaps you do. Are you contending that Kwame (again, sorry if my spelling is bad here) and/or those aiding and abetting him are committing the crime of fraud, as defined by, say, New York law? I don't know, myself--but people are bandying that word about an awful lot on this thread. If it's an actual crime--and I suspect that it isn't, although I'm not an attorney, I just pretend to be one for fraudulent purposes--sure, maybe. I can't believe that a network television show is going to depict contestants committing crimes. It's just not credible that NBC's lawyers are going to allow something like that. My point, though, was that you seem to accept anything Omarosa does, in the name of strategy, while casting aspersions on the actions of other players that were intended in the same vein. .
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networkinggirl 141 desperate attention whore postings
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01-29-04, 05:47 PM (EST)
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72. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
"As I think I acknowledged somewhere--and I apologize if I did not do so explicitly--I agree with you wholeheartedly that Omarosa's stance toward Erika is strategic in nature and that she sees a weakness she's trying to exploit. "So...I guess, by that quote, you mean you accept Omarosa? How many times have I said "I don't agree with Omarosa, but...?" I don't necessarily ACCEPT what she does, I UNDERSTAND what she does. "After she regularly singles out others in public conversations? Yeah, I personally think so--I'm willing to assume hypocrisy as a component of jacka$$ery." Regularly singles people out? The way you state it, it sounds like you mean that Omarosa often , without provocation, singles people out. She doesn't. But she does use every opportunity presented to her advantage. The fact is Ereka and Katrina are weak and insecure and are easy targets for her. She's f------- with them. And she's getting smug satisfaction everytiem the explode. They make their insecurity and need for acceptance so obvious, but what's worse...they inflict it on everyone else. Each one of those women have some level of insecurity......but Omarosa only seems to have conflicts with the ones who openly express those insecurities and bring them into the dynamic. Tammy, Katrina and Ereka. The other women are more secure, therefore Omarosa can not use her tactics on them. She'll wipe out Tammy, Ereka and Heidi...then when they're gone she'll fully focus on the task at hand. And then you'll see a whole different Omarosa. Abdm for the record....when Omaros and Eeka first had the "pot/kettle" exchange, Omarosa stated "There you go again with your racist comments." Again. As in, for the second time. As in, not the first time. So there is a good chance that Ereka had, in fact, said something insensitive before. We haven't seen all the tape. So there's a good possibility that all these posts about Omarosa have been unfairly negative towards Omarosa.
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landruajm 6040 desperate attention whore postings
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01-29-04, 08:40 PM (EST)
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74. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
>So...I guess, by that quote, you mean you accept Omarosa? Not sure what you mean. I do accept that it's strategery, if that's what you mean. Do I accept her as a person? Naw. I suspect that her real, working-world persona is not a lot different from what you see on the show. Perhaps I mean, in other words, that I've a feeling that this is her real-life strategy, too. But I'll concede that I've no proof that this is true. >How many times have I said "I don't agree with Omarosa, but...?" I don't necessarily ACCEPT what she does, I UNDERSTAND what she does. Not the vibe I'm getting off of you, and I'll happily go back to look for evidence contrary to my vibe. But okay (really--okay, without hint of tone or sarcasm). >Regularly singles people out? The way you state it, it sounds
like you mean that Omarosa often , without provocation, singles
people out. She doesn't. But she does use every opportunity
presented to her advantage. I think that she does, in fact, do that kind of passive-aggressive targeting of people in public conversations. She's a bully that way. Erika is just the most prominent and easiest target. >The fact is Ereka and Katrina are weak and insecure and
are easy targets for her. She's f------- with them. Not to digress, but feel free to spell it out, with a "v" instead of a "u". > she's getting smug satisfaction everytiem the explode. Sure. That's part of the passive-aggressive dynamic. >They make their insecurity and need for acceptance so obvious, And Miss "Mention My Presidential Internship at Every Opportunity" doesn't? C'mon. >...And then you'll see a whole different Omarosa. I don't think her strategy will work, although I suspect that we are equally likely to be right here. I do think you're right that, in a boardroom confrontation right in front of Mr. Hair, she likely has some nontrivial advantage over the more emotional/intuitive types. But she has engaged in this passive-aggressive behavior when The Donald's dogs are watching. Hard to say with any certainty which of them will go first. I do agree with you to the extent that the less forward but obviously competent women (i.e. Amy) and the total UTR women (Jessie? Who the HELL is Jessie?) will last longer than Erika and Tammy. Katrina I haven't fully formed an opinion on yet, but the evidence leans in the direction you say. >Abdm for the record....when Omaros and Eeka first had the "pot/kettle" exchange, Omarosa stated "There you go again with your racist comments." I'd like to propose that, in a grand show of peace and compromise, we all adopt "Eeka" as a standard. >Again. As in, for the second time. As in, not the first time. So there is a good chance that Ereka had, in fact, said something
insensitive before. We haven't seen all the tape. So there's a good possibility that all these posts about Omarosa have been unfairly negative towards Omarosa. Let it not be said that I can't concede a possibility. Worded this way ("good chance" and "possibility"), I can't disagree. On the other hand, when I hear "There you go again," I hear Ronald Reagan belittling Jimmy Carter. So it's not real surprising that I have a pretty visceral negative reaction to that particular language. This could very well be a deeply personal problem. My viscera aside, your quote is correct; but my feeling (okay, I lied, I didn't put my viscera aside) is that she was using hyperbolic language. But I'm not gonna ask you to trust my viscera. Especially since we're just woofing out speculation at this point.
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landruajm 6040 desperate attention whore postings
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01-30-04, 07:40 AM (EST)
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82. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
So'd Eeka. Although I suspect that there's editing involved in both cases. Does she have a stained blue dress? Cause, y'know, if you ain't got a stained blue dress, you ain't got nuffin.Okay, I just Googled her. She's just a political cover identity for Celine Dion, right? And...ewwwwwwwww. But it's funny, what passes for a Conservative in your fine nation would be labelled as a Communiss 'round here. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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01-30-04, 01:24 PM (EST)
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89. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
Networking girl all along has said that Omarosa was stratagizing by hitting their buttons. But NOW that she has mellowed out a bit SHE said it was part of a strategy. I think her real personality came out at first and she realized that just like SAM she would go to the board over and over again until she was booted unless she changed - NOW she is playing with strategy.
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networkinggirl 141 desperate attention whore postings
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01-30-04, 01:52 PM (EST)
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90. "RE: Am I the only one who finds it frightening..." |
LAST EDITED ON 01-30-04 AT 02:06 PM (EST)I don't know who you are refrring to with the SHE's. Care to expand on that? Omarosa has been strategizing all along. The pushing buttons, the mellowing out...it's a strategy. But never one I said would get her to win. But she'll be around longer than Katrina and Ereka. THAT I'm sure of. Ereka and Katrina are intimidated by Omarosa. That's why she pushes their buttons. She doesn't do it with everyone else. Omarosa didn't seek out these original attacks from Ereka and Katrina. THEY attacked HER so she defends herself the only way she knows how...by sourcing out their weakness and using it against them. I don't get it...why is it okay for Katrina to pull what she pulled (with the grabbing and the hystrionics) and Ereka can spew out expletives and curses and "You threatened me, it's over" & the "Ooh no honey babydoll darling" crap? Is it because Ereka and Katrina are more giggly and soft and wear tiny sports bras and short skirts that they get away with being emotionally volatile? Is it because Omarosa doesn't play that wink wink, giggle giggle crap that some many of these posters don't like her? She may be abrasive and direct...but at least she's not a phony. If the women hated Omarosa so much last night...why wasn't she made PM? They obviously didn't go by skill or experience. So far, whatever Omarosa is doing is working for her because she's still there.
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