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MPVLOST 169 desperate attention whore postings
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"Taking a step back"
Soo things got a little heated between me and some others yesterday in the "hatin'" thread.

I have very strong opinions and believes and sometimes I come off a little arrogant and rude when I simply want to state my opinion on something.

I just wanted to clear the air here and say I am profoundly sorry to anyone that I hurt or offended yesterday.

I hope we can put that behind us and move forward.

But I understand if nobody wants to talk to me anymore, I'll just go back to lurking and stop posting.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Taking a step back PagongRatEater 12-04-08 1
   RE: Taking a step back grit 12-04-08 3
 RE: Taking a step back geg6 12-04-08 2
   RE: Taking a step back agman 12-04-08 8
 RE: Taking a step back Estee 12-04-08 4
   RE: Taking a step back weltek 12-04-08 5
   RE: Taking a step back Glow 12-04-08 7
   RE: Taking a step back J I M B O 12-04-08 9
   RE: Taking a step back PagongRatEater 12-04-08 10
       RE: Taking a step back Estee 12-04-08 11
           RE: Taking a step back cahaya 12-04-08 20
               RE: Taking a step back Ante Bellum 12-04-08 35
                   RE: Taking a step back agman 12-05-08 42
 RE: Taking a step back Spanky68 12-04-08 6
 Taking a step forward LibraRising 12-04-08 12
   RE: Taking a step forward bondt007 12-04-08 14
   RE: Taking a step forward dragonflies 12-04-08 16
   RE: Taking a step forward skye 12-04-08 18
   RE: Taking a step forward agman 12-04-08 21
       RE: Taking a step forward LibraRising 12-04-08 22
           RE: Taking a step forward agman 12-04-08 23
           RE: Taking a step forward jbug 12-04-08 24
               RE: Taking a step forward LibraRising 12-04-08 25
                   RE: Taking a step forward Estee 12-04-08 32
                       RE: Taking a step forward Tahj 12-05-08 46
   Libra! cqvenus 12-05-08 43
 RE: Taking a step back bondt007 12-04-08 13
   RE: Taking a step back PagongRatEater 12-04-08 15
 RE: Taking a step back Max Headroom 12-04-08 17
   RE: Taking a step back MPVLOST 12-04-08 19
 RE: Taking a step back Asrai 12-04-08 26
   RE: Taking a step back J I M B O 12-04-08 27
       RE: Taking a step back Prof_ Wagstaff 12-04-08 28
   RE: Taking a step back bullzeye 12-04-08 34
   RE: Taking a step back geg6 12-05-08 38
   pff cqvenus 12-05-08 44
 RE: Taking a step back Penelope Le Pew 12-04-08 29
   RE: Taking a step back qwertypie 12-04-08 31
 RE: Taking a step back greenmonstah 12-04-08 30
   RE: Taking a step back geg6 12-05-08 39
   Very well put Breezy 12-05-08 40
 RE: Taking a step back true 12-04-08 33
   RE: Taking a step back dabo 12-05-08 36
 RE: Taking a step back cahaya 12-05-08 37
 RE: Taking a step back jbug 12-05-08 41
 RE: Taking a step back miamicatt 12-05-08 45
   RE: Taking a step back Silvergirl1 12-06-08 47

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PagongRatEater 12996 desperate attention whore postings
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12-04-08, 01:56 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Taking a step back"
There is certainly a learning curve to expressing yourself on a message board where there is lots of room for misinterpretation. As such, you will sometimes get some firm correction. My advice is to:

1) learn from your experience
2) state your opinion clearly and impersonally, and AVOID restating your opinion in different ways repeatedly. Once you've said where you stand let your comments speak for you (unless you get a substantive, non-baiting question)
3) Always remember that beind all the words written that there are people. I know it sound elementary, but sometimes it is helpful to really and truly think about how your statement would sound if you said it out loud to a live human being.
4) Don't give up, but feel free to step back if things ever get heated - from others or your own personal passions.

Hope to continue to see you around.



A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

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3. "RE: Taking a step back"
3) Always remember that beind all the words written that there are people. I know it sound elementary, but sometimes it is helpful to really and truly think about how your statement would sound if you said it out loud to a live human being.

That's why I like the manga sigpics. On a message board, it's so easy to forget there's a real flesh-and-blood person at the receiving end of a post. It's a lot harder to be rude when responding to someone when their cute little manga face is staring at you while you're typing a response.


I got sliced!

And I have to admit that PRE's vandyke makes me swoon every time!

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12-04-08, 02:15 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Taking a step back"
PRE is giving you good advice.

And as someone who has stepped in it many times here myself, I'll just say listen to PRE.

And thank you for your gracious apology and I hope you'll keep posting.


"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony

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8. "RE: Taking a step back"
*Stands next to Geg* Thank you MPV


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4. "RE: Taking a step back"
I will not forget what you said.

I will not forget what you believe.

Forgiveness requires change.

You haven't.

I won't.

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5. "RE: Taking a step back"
Did you just copy and paste from Smooth's apology thread earlier this year?

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7. "RE: Taking a step back"
Couldn't have said it better myself.


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12-04-08, 03:40 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Taking a step back"

I remember first getting to OT around Halloween, and boy did I bash the carp out of it in a thread. Came out of that leaving a very bad impression. (Along with most of the deep-end threads that found me arguing religion.)

I think I am a different person now versus when I first got here--a lot of that because I've been here. Many here have given me a second (and third) chance, which I'm thankful for. *waves to Buggy*

Point being, I don't know if *I* changed first or was tolerated/accepted while still in the process. Certainly didn't hurt that so many continued to converse with me, sharing their point of view.

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12-04-08, 03:41 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Taking a step back"
MPV did not apologize for hir opinion. MPV apologized for how the opinion was stated. It is TBD whether the method of sharing hir opinion has changed, so I have to quibble with your premise.

Unless you're saying that you refuse to consider that there might be other POV's than your own.


A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

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12-04-08, 03:44 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Taking a step back"
Unless you're saying that you refuse to consider that there might be other POV's than your own.

Nope. Rampant bigotry is definitely a different POV from the one I hold, and I get to recognize that one all the time. Generally at a distance of roughly three feet.

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20. "RE: Taking a step back"
Generally at a distance of roughly three feet.

I'd say that's too close for comfort.

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35. "RE: Taking a step back"
21 feet is really too close for comfort.


Slicey loves me.

Yep, another reference nobody's going to get.

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12-05-08, 11:06 AM (EST)
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42. "RE: Taking a step back"

>Yep, another reference nobody's going to
>get.

As a matter of fact, I was wondering what that was a reference too!



Tribe styled my Fro

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12-04-08, 03:13 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Taking a step back"
LAST EDITED ON 12-04-08 AT 03:15 PM (EST)

Check your red wavie thingy. If you haven't found your "message inbox" just click the "inbox" link from a the Conferences screen.


Agman made this fancy sig for me

etf spelling

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12. "Taking a step forward"
I was going to do a "Hello again -- does anybody remember me?" message. Is this the right thread to do that in?


I think Miss Manners would approve.

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14. "RE: Taking a step forward"

I don't think so... but HELLO to you too!!


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16. "RE: Taking a step forward"
Let me be the first to say "Welcome Back"


wow, 3 posts in 1 day!

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18. "RE: Taking a step forward"
Hey there!


Turning Japanese (I really think so) thanks to J Slice.

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21. "RE: Taking a step forward"
Hello Libra


agatar by slicey

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12-04-08, 04:49 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Taking a step forward"
LAST EDITED ON 12-04-08 AT 05:01 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 12-04-08 AT 04:51 PM (EST)

So nice to see so many of the faces haven't changed.

eta: and I've also forgotten the brackets instead of <> for html and the no hyphens in the smiley rules, too!


Although I see very few people bounce anymore! Oh dear! I can't be out of style, now, can I?

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23. "RE: Taking a step forward"
LAST EDITED ON 12-04-08 AT 04:58 PM (EST)

you? out of style? Never!!!!!






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24. "RE: Taking a step forward"
Well, here's one bouncie that's not real popular but I bring him out now and then anyway! Good to see you!


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25. "RE: Taking a step forward"
Aww, bouncing Barney will always be tops in my book.

I feel like Miss Havisham sitting around in an old wedding dress, but honestly, this is the wardrobe I have to choose from:





Bow before the evil queen
How dare you insects come after ME!


No Linda Weaver. I promise. Unless Rolly comes back.

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32. "RE: Taking a step forward"
No Linda Weaver. I promise. Unless Rolly comes back.

*sigh*

Cue Bystander.

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46. "RE: Taking a step forward"
LAST EDITED ON 12-05-08 AT 06:57 PM (EST)

Then me.


etf siggie

It's a Tribe!

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43. "Libra!"
i remember you!

cq
-- now has 2 kids and is 30

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13. "RE: Taking a step back"

...and don't treat those that can not forgive your delivery, and your point of view, like the way they treat you.


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15. "RE: Taking a step back"
A-men!


A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

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17. "RE: Taking a step back"
The guidelines don't state, "Newbies get one free do-over". What they do state is:

II. DO NOT ATTACK OTHER MEMBERS
Personal attacks on other members will not be tolerated. Challenging the points of view and the opinions of other members is permitted, but only as long as you can do so respectfully and thoughtfully, without personal attack or insult. If you cannot be tolerant of others' beliefs and opinions, then please avoid introducing, reading or participating in topics that lead to such discussions.

The key is how you express your opinions. Words that make perfect sense to you may be, and often are, misinterpreted by others. Humor in particular is difficult to pull off on a message board, thus the availability of emoticons like or to indicate something is intended to be funny. If you're trying to make a joke, be sure it's clear that it's a joke, or (trust me) someone will believe you're serious and call you out on it.

Others with well-known strong opinions (like PRE and geg, both of whom already posted in this thread) are welcome here. If you follow the guidelines, you will be too.

{/Bebospeak}


MangaSliced!

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19. "RE: Taking a step back"
Thanks to the people that sent me personal messages. It's nice to know there are others here that share similar views. I will respond to all of them shortly.


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26. "RE: Taking a step back"
I've been questioned in the past for playing nice with some who haven't played so nice with me. That's me, though. If you say you're sorry or ask for forgiveness, who am I to deny you? However, if I feel manipulated by anyone, I will steer clear of you and wish you well.

I accept your offer and hope to see you stick around.

*unpopular since way back*


Face time with Slice

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27. "RE: Taking a step back"

very fair, and well put assray!

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28. "RE: Taking a step back"
Assray.

Are you suggesting some kind of superhuman power?


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34. "RE: Taking a step back"
LAST EDITED ON 12-04-08 AT 09:00 PM (EST)

*unpopular since way back*

I, for one, disagree with that senitment. I have had an "Asrai crush" for what seems like eons. Others who have not yet cobbled on are just plain wrong.

ETF: speeling.

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38. "RE: Taking a step back"
You? Have never been unpopular. Me? Different story. LOL!

Personally, you know I adore you muchly. *smooch*


"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony

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44. "pff"
as someone who knows from much experience, popularity is highly overrated.

cq

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29. "RE: Taking a step back"
That is why I prefer lurking or else, they would attack me.

Just don't involve the politics. It gets you nowhere.

I keep my opinion to myself.


At least I have peace of mind lately.

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31. "RE: Taking a step back"
I am always glad to see you Pene!

We do have a Canadian politics thread going on. It's been pretty civil (Wish I could say the same about some of the party leaders)

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30. "RE: Taking a step back"
LAST EDITED ON 12-04-08 AT 06:31 PM (EST)


>I have very strong opinions and
>believes and sometimes I come
>off a little arrogant and
>rude when I simply want
>to state my opinion on
>something.
>


You don't come off as arrogant. You come off as ignorant. Don't be afraid to challenge your religion. It will bring you closer to God.


That last part- that is an example of arrogance.

Edited to add: There is another great monotheistic religion out there. It is called Muslismism. They too have a great book. Some parts are beautifully written. Like the Bible it is unproven if it is the Word of God or the Word of a humankind. The Koran calls for killing of Infidels. Most, if not all, sane Muslims don't do this. A small group does follow this part of Koran to the word. They are called terrorists. They are radicals. They shame the Muslim religion. I believe with all my heart that the radical, fundamentalist Christians are just as scary and just as shameful.

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39. "RE: Taking a step back"
Monsty!

You so rarely go deep on us, but when you do the Green Monster is very wise. Very wise, indeed.


"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony

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40. "Very well put"
There is another great monotheistic religion out there. It is called Muslismism. They too have a great book. Some parts are beautifully written. Like the Bible it is unproven if it is the Word of God or the Word of a humankind. The Koran calls for killing of Infidels. Most, if not all, sane Muslims don't do this. A small group does follow this part of Koran to the word. They are called terrorists. They are radicals. They shame the Muslim religion. I believe with all my heart that the radical, fundamentalist Christians are just as scary and just as shameful.


And now I'm mad at you for making me post in this thread. *stomps out*

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33. "RE: Taking a step back"
I'm glad you weren't scared off so easily. It's no fun debating with a bunch of like minded peeps. If you stick around you might actually learn something new, I know I've learned plently over the past (almost) 8 years here.

Just remember, if you're going to throw your opinions out there be prepared to be challenged. If you can't back up what you say, think twice before you hit that post button.

I'm sure someone will be along shortly with your crapbasket. I'd give it to you, but I was fired from the welcoming committee in 2001.



The word of God is always in the hand of man. And the original author has not been protecting the source material. --Estee

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36. "RE: Taking a step back"
Participation is what it is really all about.

Agree, disagree, just want to make a joke or ask a question, go ahead.

It isn't about winning, it isn't about scoring, it's about participating.

And the beat goes on and the beat goes on.

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37. "RE: Taking a step back"
Read and listen with an open mind and open heart, even as you do so in accordance with your faith, and you'll be fine.


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41. "RE: Taking a step back"
See? there are good peeps with good advice here.

Hang in there here.


by the holly jolly Agman

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45. "RE: Taking a step back"
There's lotsa people here that I disagree with, sometimes vehemently so, but I still respect their right to an opinion. (See my husband for an example...)

If I've said it once, I've said it a million times: you have a right to an opinion and to express that opinion, however you will be held accountable for how that opinion is expressed.

In short, say what you wanna say, just try not to be a dicque about it.

I may disagree with your beliefs, but kudos to your awareness and your ability to apologize -- awareness is the first step and the one that a lot of people seem to find the most difficult. Stay and play, discuss and debate. Keep an open mind and do indeed remember that there are actual people with thoughts and feelings behind those sig pics. It can be quite the eye-opening experience and cause you to walk through the world with a different view.

At least it has for me.


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47. "RE: Taking a step back"

Amen, sister! I could not have said it better myself.



I'm a Christian who believes that everyone in the world is loved by God. I shudder however, at those who think that homosexuality is a sin, and those include my fellow church members. You see, I love a gay man - he is my nephew. I can't go with the flow on everything my church says is right.

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