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"Ep 5 (Thursday) Preview Vidcaps"
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"Ep 5 (Thursday) Preview Vidcaps" |
{Jeff Probst, voiceover} Next time on Survivor, Sook Jai is reminded of the dangers lurking in the sea
{Robb, as he is stung} Aaagh!
{Jeff Probst, voiceover} Chuay Gahn experiences a big loss.
{Clay} I have no idea what we're gonna do.
{Jeff Probst, in-game} I'm going to make you an offer.
{Jeff Probst, voiceover} And an offer...
{Jeff Probst, voiceover} ...that could change the entire game.
{Jeff Probst, in-game} Sixty seconds, think about this. This is an individual decision.
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10-10-02, 09:37 PM (EST)
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1. "First Impressions..." |
The minature temple tops (red and black) in the background look like a portable version of the TC...
... where a joint TC takes place to perhaps allow people to decide whether they are going to switch or not. Jiffy looks like he is standing at a counter... (he leans forward on his hands) perhaps this counter is a place where people will come up to cast a vote to switch or to stay... The process has to be ballot oriented so that it remains a true 'individual decision'. Maybe they come up and pick a purple rock or an orange rock! (the rocks were such a hit last year )
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51. "RE: First Impressions..." |
Speaking of first impressions...
This is out of left field,
but certainly an "individual decision."What if the offer is simply this: "Will you take a guaranteed $50,000 to drop out of the game?" It's more likely the offer to switch tribes, but my first impression was a buyout. Perhaps even a rising bid until someone bites or they get to $100,000. And having read the other posts, switching isn't a bad idea for Steph. She knows she's on the block in Sookie, and would probably be more welcome at Chewie, where she can help them win immunity challenges. If she gets the offer, she'll go. 
These reality show contestants need a reality check!
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2. "Second Impressions..." |
LAST EDITED ON 10-10-02 AT 10:00 PM (EST)Build-Up... Jan is feeling betrayed and somewhat alone after Helen's betrayal at the voting booth... Stephanie is obviously still 'not playing well with others'... Now, note the looks on these two faces: Isn't this what Jan and Steph would look like immediately after Jiffy offers them the chance to switch tribes? The other folks don't look overly pleased (which is what would be expected if a reward was being offered). It looks like Jiffy asks the both tribes to make an 'individual decision' regarding which tribe they want to be in. Only the truly desperate will take him up on the offer. Steph and Jan definately fit that description... it is interesting that Robb's reaction is not shown... hmmmm was his reaction too revealing? Or was his leg/foot bandaged up from the earlier depicted injury and too visible to be shown in the preview?
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65. "I think Chuay Ghan's biggest loss is in supplies..." |
My guess is CG loses their canoe, and end up getting wiped out walking to the watering hole every time. Notice in vid previews how they keep looking out to sea. Maybe Sook Jai's not the only one who can't understand the way tides work.
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4. "RE: Ep 5 (Thursday) Preview Vidcaps" |
Ok, this is kinda out of left field, but...What if Robb is too injured to continue in the game. CG loses something important (Immunity) and Jiffy offers them the chance to replace Robb on SJ with a member of CG. That way, CG loses a member, but doesn't have to vote someone out. And SJ doesn't get penalized for Robb's injury since they win IC. Ted and Brian look like they're thinking it over, Jan looks thrilled cause she knows she would have been voted out next. Steph is happy to accept a new non hut person into the tribe, and Shii Ann gives us her trademark smirk. Penny and Erin are thinking, crap, which old fart are we gonna be stuck with. I'm sure we'll get lots of crazy theories this week, so I thought I'd start the ball rolling. 
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6. "RE: Ep 5 (Thursday) Preview Vidcaps" |
For what it's worth, Shii Ann silently laughs, then drops her face into her hands. I didn't cap the head drop. Hopefully that doesn't confuse anyone.
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9. "... and..." |
... Shii Ann shakes her head (side to side) and closes her eyes before she drops her head...
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10-10-02, 10:37 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Ep 5 (Thursday) Preview Vidcaps" |
penny is the one i am wondering about she does'nt look to happy
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11. "RE: Supplemental vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-10-02 AT 11:56 PM (EST)SB, I agree with you that the pieces look like big chess pieces. That is what I thought when I first saw it. I don't think that the thing w/ Jeff is an all out vote if you want to change sides b/c you run the risk of too many people from one side wanting to switch and not enough people from the other side wanting to. It could be an everyone vote if they want to merge now or not. This could be done at the end of the show and leads into the next week's "Power of One." As for CG loss, the boat idea does sound like a good one. I don't know if it is just me, but looking behind Clay, and Ted where he is sitting, it looks like a tide line. To me it looks like a line where the tide ended. Maybe a lot of their cooking stuff and water jugs dissapeard and they have to move camps or trade something. **Edited to add that the chess piece scenes looks like it is in a studio or w/a lot of stage lighting around. 
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10-11-02, 11:53 AM (EST)
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34. "RE: Supplemental vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-11-02 AT 05:02 PM (EST)>It
>could be an everyone vote
>if they want to merge
>now or not. This
>could be done at the
>end of the show and
>leads into the next week's
>"Power of One." I like this idea better than Bergdogg's tribal switch / game scenario * -- although I like that too, a game would be pointless if only one person (Stephanie) opts to play it. > I don't
>know if it is just
>me, but looking behind Clay,
>and Ted where he is
>sitting, it looks like a
>tide line. To me
>it looks like a line
>where the tide ended. And Ted is sitting on Brian's guitar case, which suggests the sand is still wet in that area. * Edited to correct myself -- Bergdogg's scenario is not in this thread, it's in the "Jiffy makes his offer vidcaps" thread.
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10-11-02, 00:19 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: What if..." |
also note erin still only has one dangly thingy in cap 21 above
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10-11-02, 02:39 AM (EST)
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22. "comments" |
pic #4 is the Texas three-some... they do seem to hang out together a whole lot.pics #9-12 definately the boat is missing. pic #15 Ted trying to gage others reactions in his tribe? Or sizing up the other tribe? pic #17 Brian picking his teeth... ok, ok it looks like he's plotting his next move pic #18 Jan looks more excited than most about whatever this is pic #21 Erin looks clueless (as usual) pic #22 Penny looks resigned to this screwing up whatever strategy she is currently using pics #27 & 29 Steph looks like she might have recieved a temporary stay of execution. the "chesspieces" perhaps are symbolic of the strategy these people should be using at this point... although probably are just Thai temple thingies that someone in the art department had left over from the TC set. -ICB
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10-11-02, 09:43 AM (EST)
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27. "Missing boat" |
The Ocean's surprise could be the boat coming back to shore later on after it had been lost.
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10-11-02, 04:28 PM (EST)
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40. "RE: Or maybe fire..." |
They were given a flint and stone to start a fire. Unless Ghandia tossed them into the ocean, I still think that i'ts the boat that they lost.
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10-11-02, 01:26 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: Ep 5 (Thursday) Preview Vidcaps" |
Ted and Jan are wearing their challenge buffs, which is not characteristic for them when they are just in camp...Both tribes probably arrive for the RC, at which point Jeff says "...you have 60 seconds to decide if you want to switch tribes or stay. This is an entirely individual decision, you are not allowed to discuss this with your tribemates..." The "Oceans Surprise" has multiple meanings, as is usually the case...Robb is surprised by the stingray, the Chuay Gahn are surprised by the ocean taking their canoe, and everyone is surprised by the "voluntary switch"... 
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10-11-02, 04:18 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: Ep 5 (Thursday) Preview Vidcaps" |
I totally agree...I also think this may be where Robb's words from the first episode of being glad he's not on the old lady's team come back to haunt him. Gut tells me Robb is gonna jump ship over to the old lady's team in fear of the boot, and there's no way the old folks are gonna boot the young strong guy......foreshadowing at its best (hopefully)
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10-11-02, 08:17 AM (EST)
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25. "RE: Ep 5 (Thursday) Preview Vidcaps" |
I think there has to be an offer of money or immunity in there somewhere. Otherwise why would anyone switch (if that's what this is about) better the devil you know than the one you don't. I personally lean towards money because I can't come up with how an immunity offer would work (the first 3 to switch has immunity until merge? naw....)
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10-11-02, 09:17 AM (EST)
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26. "RE: Ep 5 (Thursday) Preview Vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-11-02 AT 09:46 AM (EST)I_AM_HE
I love the idea of switching team in return for immunity. For how long? The next TC? Until the merge? My first impression of the CG loss was that it was the boat that was missing. Clay staring out to sea all dishevelled and confused. Regarding what Ted is sitting on in cap 3 - could it be Brian's guitar case, just based on the dark, seemingly black colour. It would be about the right height too as his knees are fairly high indicating whatever he is sitting on isn't very high. It seems we have a lot more juicy footage to spoil with this time. I wonder how much of it is misdirection. edited to add - Would JP let them decide if the want to switch individually, then throw in, okay, now choose who replaces you from the other team's "i don't want to switch members". This way only one member needs to decide to take the chance to shake things up, one on each team is possible, even likely, especially if imunity comes into play. This could lead to an "unlikely alliance" if one who chose to switch for example Steph and one who was a replacement,like any one of the others. Don't know if either tribe has the brain power to pull this to their advantage though.
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10-11-02, 11:04 AM (EST)
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31. "Ep 5 Preview on CBS Website" |
I don't think anyone has mentioned this (and if they have, sorry for overlooking it) but the Preview on the CBS Website is different than the one aired last night. The CG boat is missing and Jiffy makes the offer of switching tribes. Would it be possible to get some vidcaps from this?
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10-11-02, 11:16 AM (EST)
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33. "RE: Ep 5 Preview on CBS Website" |
WOW! This is just too easy. Not only did MB give us Robb as the injured tribe member, but now we have confirmation that it is the boat that is lost.Not only that, but they gave us the Surprise offer. Some surprise, huh? Something fishy is going on. There has to be more to it, than a simple offer to switch tribes. Otherwise, I don't seen anyone but possibly Stephanie taking the offer. While Jan may be vulnerable at CG, she would be an easy pick off at SJ. Robb seems confident enough where he is, and after the choking incident, he'd be a moron to think the CG's would accept him. (ok, he is a moron, so who knows) Why would anyone else even consider swapping. Especially the SJ members. They have a majority. And Ted, Clay, Brian, and Helen have Jan to pick off next if necessary. Why would they chance being swapped, unless they knew for sure that they wouldn't be outnumbered?
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10-11-02, 04:18 PM (EST)
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39. "Ut Oh... It's Game Logic Time..." |
LAST EDITED ON 10-11-02 AT 04:29 PM (EST)Let's look at Jan's situation: Jan's alliance with Ghandia and Helen has vaporized...
She is feeling some sense of betrayal with respect to Helen...
Jan has to know she is the next Chuay Gahn to be voted off...
If Jan switches to Sook Jai, she is the next Sook Jai to be voted off... If you are next to be voted off regardless of what tribe you are on, what do you do?
The answer is quite simple: You switch to the tribe that is most likely to win immunity - Sook Jai! This scenario is unique to Jan... she will be the only one to switch tribes... Speculation Time: Her arrival is going to have some sort of an effect on the Sook Jai's... perhaps shifting the power balance is some fashion or perhaps she will be instrumental in winning a challenge against her former team mates. Maybe Jan is the 'despondent underdog' who becomes the 'Power of One'.
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10-11-02, 05:20 PM (EST)
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42. "Look at the next episode Title..." |
Episode 6 is Entitled: The Power of OneThat would make sense if only one person were to swap in E5. Episode 6 focuses on the new tribal dynamics--sometimes it only takes one person to upset a voting block or change the way things work. Suppose Jan were to take up Jeff's offer and swap. I think we were all in agreement that she could survive at least one Tribal Council if Sook Jai lost immunity in Episode 5. (As long as Stephanie didn't defect as well) That would not only reduce Chuay Guan to 4 members, but maybe Jan is invited to become part of a new voting bloc, but she learned stuff from the Red Berets that the Sookies could use. A Stephanie defection over to CG could be similar. Now it's 3 on 3 man vs. women again and Stephanie would be viewed as one of their stronger members. She definitely would spill all the Sookie secrets.
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10-11-02, 05:20 PM (EST)
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43. "RE: Ut Oh... It's Game Logic Time..." |
Um, Cat, I am in 100% agreement that logically the first and perhaps only person to volunteer to switch should be Jan. She is in the weakest position in the weakest tribe. But Jan is one of the least logical castaways we've ever seen. Her picks weren't based on logic, they were based on emotion. I think she was terrified of being on a tribe with young buff people she thought she couldn't relate to. She'll still be terrified of that prospect and of having to cope with a whole new beach in a new place she's never been with a bunch of people, all of whom know each other and none of whom she knows. I'm sure if put to the test she'll take a "Devil you know..." approach. If the switch is mandatory though the chances are still good she becomes a Sookie. She's the only one from Chewie who would have any reason to volunteer, and her male tribemates would be more than happy to get rid of her.
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10-11-02, 05:45 PM (EST)
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44. "Don't underestimate the mother hen syndrome" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-11-02 AT 05:47 PM (EST)I think folks are being a bit too quick to dismiss Jan seeing a switch to Purple Tribe as a death warrant and assuming that she would be voted out. Remember, as Ice points out, she has to think she's doomed in Red tribe -- if they loss again, she has to see her head on the block next. Based on previous history alone, she knows the absolute best way to avoid being booted (and I agrued this point back when she picked her tribe in Episode 1) is to WIN THE IMMUNITY CHALLENGES. Therefore given that the other tribe has won 75% of the immunity tribes to date, a simple playing of the odds would indicate she take the chance and move. Additionally, there are three other things to consider: 1) The fact that Jake is still around and how the tribe relates with him. She has to have noticed that the first person booted was not her fellow "elder" but it was the big, buff, strong young guy. If she's paid attention at the challenges, she should have noticed how Jake seems to have the respect of the majority his tribe (just look at his little harem.) Jake has clearly been accepted as in a father figure-role of sorts, she might sense that the plus side to all that tribal youth might be a willingness to accept a mother hen. 2) The Rudy/Keith Theory: you don't boot the cook. I'm not sure how much of this she might have been able to detect at the challenges, but she might very well be sensing that there's an opportunity in the other tribe for someone that actually is willing to cook, clean, etc. -- all the crap she is already doing in her existing tribe. 3) The divided tribe. Again, I don't know how much of this she might have been able to have picked up at the challenges, but she might have been able to detect that there is some division in the oher tribe -- a division that she might be able to expliot to survive in the event that the tribe DOES LOSE some challenges and above Options #1 and #2 don't work. The bottom line is based on the view from here, Jan is foolish if she is offered the opportunity to switch and doesn't do so. -SB
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10-11-02, 11:03 PM (EST)
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50. "RE: Don't underestimate the mother hen syndrome" |
Ice, Webby, Guessitrains and Managerr, I like the way this discussion is going…Jan volunteering to switch makes a lot of sense.Her reasons: With Helen now one of the boys, Jan is in a vulnerable position should Chuay Gahn go to TC. Jan has been doing much of the work , including going for water. Without the canoe, her job will become even more difficult. The Sook Jai now have bananas (and chickens but Jan doesn’t know that yet), so their food supply is another incentive. Jan has seen the strength of the Sook Jai in challenges, so her chances not going to TC may be better with the stronger tribe. Plot Scenarios: Jan and anyone from the Sook Jai would be “unlikely tribemates” in EP5. If she formed an alliance with Stephanie (because they are both hard workers and food gatherers) it would originally be formed because they needed each other to survive, eventhough they might not really trust each other at first…also fitting with the teaser. Managerr, your idea that the “Power of One” is Jan’s effect on the tribal dynamics of Sook Jai, rings true to me. She could step into a power role and survive TC while Shii Ann and Robb are destined to smoke with Ghandia.. Jan’s introduction to the Sook Jai could also force the tribe to get rid of one of their surplus “weak players”. With Jan in the tribe they would have two, but Jan works hard and is friendly, while Shii Ann is lazy and irritating. Jan’s switch to Sook Jai may tip the scales against Shii Ann.
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10-12-02, 00:50 AM (EST)
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53. "RE: Don't underestimate the mother hen syndrome" |
Hold on just one second . . . The first three episodes, I remember switching back and forth in my thinking with respect to who is in the alliance. If you remember back to the first episode, Helen was the one to vote for stupid reasons (Clay has enough money). In E2, Gahndoria was the only one not to vote for Tanya (hero-worship) and in E4, Jan was the outsider voting for Clay. I'm not saying Jan is one of the boys, but I'm sure not convinced Helen is either. She was out in left field in E1, everyone knew who was going in E2, and this time, yes, Helen was a player, switching and voting out the Gonedia. But right up to TC, the women were under the impression that they were going to drive a tie. Jan is just clueless, I think. Helen is definately strategizing, but like I said, I don't think she is 'one of the boys'. My point (yes, I've been acused of writing novels before) is that I could see Helen taking Jiffy up on the offer. She could be a Rob-like (one b of S4) strategizer, and be a bit more successful at it. Granvil
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10-13-02, 02:38 AM (EST)
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67. "Jan switching unlikely..." |
Have you seen any example of why Jan would switch? Just look at her, she picked the tribe, she obviously saw something in the people she picked. I think she chose the other older women so she would have a better chance in the long wrong, ALSO, if Jan is anything, I think she is loyal and also-- naive. She probably would let her heart win out and her loyalty win out and stick with Chuay Ghan over Sook Jai.There's something missing in this scenario. We already know Jiffy asks them if they want to switch. But what is the 'catch'? There has to be one. BTW, I think Robb is out of the picture, leaving the ratio 5 to 6. That could definitely make Stephanie a little nervous and wanting to shake things up by switching, but alas, I think she stays with Sook Jai, leaving some kind of random switch a la last year. Why does Thursday have to be so far away?
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10-14-02, 02:16 PM (EST)
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77. "RE: Ut Oh... It's Game Logic Time..." |
LAST EDITED ON 10-14-02 AT 02:25 PM (EST)Yeah... I always thought that the voluntary switch wasn't a bad idea on Burnett's part. I think the voluntary switch is this season's version of the coconut challenge. The voluntary switch is there to show the alliances out in the open and it's only there for 60 seconds so the players won't have the chance to over-think the situation-- if they feel that they are the next to go, they would jump on this chance right away without the luxury of thinking through the possible repercussions of their choice. Besides, since the switch is an individual decision, I doubt that they were allowed to talk things through with all the tribe members to prevent the entire tribe from jumping ships and everybody getting the immunity at the next TC (I'd think that at least immunity for the next TC is a necessary part of the switch to prevent the switched person from getting kicked off at the first post-switch TC). Anyway, I'm still not certain as to whether any castaways would go for it. Potential switch candidates would be Jan and Helen from CG, and Steph, Shii Ann, and Robb from SJ.
It's pretty strategic for Jan to switch but I'm not sure if she'd go for it since she's kinda passive and unlikely to make a bold move.
Helen might think that she had Jan to protect her from being the next boot so she might not switch.
Stephanie might switch if she's really the outsider that the editing had made her out to be.
Shii Ann might switch if she feels insecure about her position in the SJ alliance, whose dynamics we haven't gotten a good idea of up till now.
Robb doesn't strike me as someone who would actually switch. Judging from what we have seen of him so far, I don't think the cocky dude would ever feel vulnerable at all coz he probably thinks that SJ would kick CG's @$$ in the challenges to come and SJ wouldn't need to go to TC till the merge.
Kathy O'Brien... The Sole Survivor! (I'd rather be delusional)
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10-12-02, 01:59 AM (EST)
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55. "RE: Hair analysis" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-12-02 AT 02:02 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 10-12-02 AT 02:01 AM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 10-12-02 AT 02:00 AM (EST)
argh, trying to get the links and the pics, but its not working!! there, just copy and take the last "X" out in the links. the first is a recap cap from episode 3 i think as proof that Penny did not have her hair like this in episode 4
http://gallery.survivorthailand.com/albums/4-EPISODE4/ep4_caps_0013.jpgX
 http://gallery.survivorthailand.com/albums/4-EPISODE4/ep4_caps_0138.jpgX
 so, if stephanie is and penny are sitting around doing each other's hair, stephanie does NOT seem like as big a target as the editing says 
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10-12-02, 04:14 PM (EST)
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60. "RE: Hair analysis" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-12-02 AT 04:41 PM (EST)sorry, this is picture intensive! yeah, the possibility of Erin (I also think it is more likely her than Shii) did their hair is something I think possible too (I think I said that in one of those posts, if not, thanks for adding it). Steph had her hair like that at least early on in Ep 4 (ie before Penny's). I'll try and see if I can pinpoint exactly where the change occurs for each but the point is, irregardless of WHO did their hair, that if they are sitting around doing hair the same way, it likley indicates there is more goodwill between Penny and Steph (and Erin or whoever did it) than we are being shown here's one pre RC:
http://gallery.survivorthailand.com/albums/4-EPISODE4/ep4_caps_0391.jpgX
 Steph's is done up, Penny's is not here's one at RC:
http://gallery.survivorthailand.com/albums/4-EPISODE4/ep4_caps_0506.jpgX
 Penny's is sort of done up, but its not as elaborately braided up top yet. it would have to be completely redone to have the braiding up to the scalp as in the IC cap here's one post RC:
http://gallery.survivorthailand.com/albums/4-EPISODE4/ep4_caps_0728.jpgX
 Penny's hair is completely out of braids, and note the look she's giving Shii behind her back finally, here's one from the beginning of the episode, you can see from behind (and in other caps) that Steph has the two braids, and Penny is done in one braid http://gallery.survivorthailand.com/albums/4-EPISODE4/ep4_caps_0172.jpgX
 and here's one from Ep3, pre IC, to establish the time Stephanie's is done:
http://gallery.survivorthailand.com/albums/3-EPISODE3/st_ep3_0778.jpgX
 one of Penny sitting out Ep3 IC:
http://gallery.survivorthailand.com/albums/3-EPISODE3/st_ep3_0835.jpgX
 Stephanie's is clearly done before Penny's (mid Ep3 as opposed to mid Ep4) and that seems to indicate a conciliatory gesture on Penny's part to have her hair done in the same fashion of someone who is supposedly on the outs with her tribe. hope that helps some
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10-14-02, 11:19 AM (EST)
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71. "RE: Hair analysis" |
He, that hairstyle is called "french braids" it is a common style used by cheerleaders in competition or when doing "mounts" because it completely keeps the hair out of one's face and off your shoulders where the "mounter" stands on the "base" in a pyramid. French braiding is rather easy to do on someone else and can be done on yourself with a little practice. Medium length, straight hair is the best for this.I firmly beluieve that there is some secret or hidden alliance with Penny and Steph and here is why. 1. The opening sequence features both Steph and Penny with different "mirror image" backgrounds whereas the others have fire or water. 2. In Ep. 4 when Steph threw the quid in Shii's face Penny snickered. 3. Steph and Penny on not on Ghandia's smokers or stars list. My guess is that Steph switches tribes, her work ethic and strength are valued over at CG who desperately need an "ace in the hole" on the IC's. I don't think that Helen or Jan are part of the Boran Boys Club II, they both seem too uninformed and out of the loop. I think it was nothing more than a poor choice on Jan's part that she voted with Ghandia. Helen stated that she was going to vote with Ghandia and changed her mind at the last minute. I do not call that an alliance, I call that self preservation and Jan just didn't catch on soon enough. Jan is one the chopping block purely because of numbers not because of hidden alliances. Helen is in as much of a precarious position as Jan and both will be eliminated of the BBCII prevails. Penny has been "spoiled" as being evil and two faced. This has to come out into the open sooner or later. We were teased when Penny betrayed Jed/Steph/Robb with the Ep.3 If Penny was part of the fort alliance why was the food alliance so convinced she would vote with them? We are not seeing the whole story here, Penny is playing both sides and this will carry her far into the game. My final 5 choices at this point are Ted, Brian, Clay, Penny and Steph. Thoughts, rebuttals??????  Snoocharoo
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10-14-02, 11:51 AM (EST)
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72. "Why switch?" |
If you firmly believe this....>I firmly beluieve that there is
>some secret or hidden alliance
>with Penny and Steph and
>here is why.
...why would you conclude this....
>My guess is that Steph switches
>tribes, > Wouldn't she be jumping out of one fire and into another? As, you point out, the fire over at Sook Jai may not be as hot as we've been led to believe... > Snoocharoo
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10-14-02, 12:52 PM (EST)
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75. "RE: Why switch?" |
Just a "gut" feeling, I'm having a hard time justifying why I think this. Guess it either blind faith, women's intuition or my usual over-speculation.Someone has got to fulfill the despondent underdog role. All signs point to Steph. Penny needs to screw over the SJ's and fulfill her destiny as EvilPennyWiseTheClown. What reason would Steph have to stay on SJ knowing full well that she and Dood are being groomed for the walk of shame. At least if she switches she can in effect save herself by being a strong competitor and contributor for the BBCII. Steph and Dood stick around for a bit, see Snickers Spoiler. You cannot ignore the fact that Dood/Steph/Jed/Penny had to have discussed some type of voting block or Jed wouldn't have been surprised by the vote she threw at him. We haven't been shown any of the internal wheeling and dealing in SJ but something must have been forged between those 4 for Jed to have such bitterness toward Penny. What do Dood and Steph know about Penny that we don't????? See Opening Credits. Penny and Steph have similar imagery laden credits wheras the rest have fire (life) and water (getting hosed). Ghandia had nothing (and truly deserving of nothing). Fire Shi
Ted
Brian
Clay Water (hosers) Jed
Ken
Granny
Helen
Erin
John
Tanya
Jake Nothing GDiva Imagery Steph
Penny
Snoocharoo <= is biased toward the name STEPHANIE.
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10-16-02, 02:33 PM (EST)
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80. "RE: Hair analysis" |
There was also a very early cap of Stephanie and Penny sitting under a tree, in right profile. This was one of the few initial caps, if not the ONLY cap, of Stephanie interacting with someone else. Either she had the bandage on her right wrist, or you could see the mark where she'd taken it off. I don't think we've seen the bandage yet, have we?
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10-14-02, 12:15 PM (EST)
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74. "RE: Hair analysis" |
For S2, didn't we notice the same thing about Lis's and Amber's hair, and speculate this was the beginning of an alliance? That came out to be absolutely nothing other than the results of sheer boredom.
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10-14-02, 02:04 PM (EST)
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76. "RE: Hair analysis" |
We also speculated the Vee and Tammy had some sort of alliance in S4 because of the hair thing. Turns out we were right, but it didn't matter, because Vee ended up dumping the alliance, when they wanted to vote out Sean. I do think that if Steph and Penny are doing each others hair, Steph is probably not as hated as they want us to think.
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10-12-02, 11:35 PM (EST)
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63. "RE: Hair analysis" |
OMH!!!! IAMHE!!! LOLI was thinking people were going to call me pyscho or something for even bringing this up.... I was reading the threads in order so I didn't get to this one until 2nd or 3rd I believe.. in another thread I believe it was about epi 5 something or other I was posting something about Penny being a cheerleader and when cheerleaders are either in game or want to be in a little click they really focus on hair and looking the same... (don't laugh at me I have personal expierence I was a cheerleader grade school through high school about 10years... I said don't laugh at me  I know how these things work) We all know from past survivors that the girls really like to do each others hair... Elisabeth, Alicia, Jerri, Amber, girls from S3... ect ect... SO this definently could be our tenative alliance..
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