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"The Obvious Boot"
NightScribe 761 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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10-09-02, 04:13 PM (EST)
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"The Obvious Boot" |
Every season we are handed the bootee on a silver platter, and we almost never see it. Why? We call it "too obvious". Think about Africa for a moment. The episode in which Linda was booted, she was shown in the previews acting like a freak -- "Thaaaaannk Yoooooou!" and sure enough, she was booted. Same think with Frank's boot. He was shown in the previews going off about the liberal media, and blam, he's booted. Every once in a while, my overly-analytical friends , it is obvious there is only one person who can be booted. This is one of those times. Gahndia is the only choice. Her story arc is ready for its climax. She will be isolated from the tribe, and the revealed strategy of men vs. women will once again fail. CG will go to TC and the women will vote with the men to oust Gahndia. Notice that the information we have coming in for post ep.4 mention nothing about gender division, nothing about lingering hostilities -- nothing but life as usual on Survivor. Someone gets stung, a tribe loses a valuable item, the ocean reveals a surprise, but absolutely nothing about the CG scandal. Why? Because it is resolved in this episode. Stephanie and Robb are red herrings. I'm not saying they're long for the game because I seriously doubt they are. But Gahndia is our boot this week. I'd bet money on it.
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true 9689 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-09-02, 04:33 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: The Obvious Boot" |
I agree with you completely, Scribe. While I think that a case can also be made for Steph, and to a smaller extent, Robb, as obvious boot choices this episode, you bring up a point I hadn't yet considered. Notice that the information we have coming in for post ep.4 mention nothing about gender division, nothing about lingering hostilities -- nothing but life as usual on Survivor. Someone gets stung, a tribe loses a valuable item, the ocean reveals a surprise, but absolutely nothing about the CG scandal. Why? Because it is resolved in this episode.
I think you may have just provided me with my final piece of the Ghandia goes puzzle. Thanks! -true,still spoiling the old fashioned way.
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bondt007 3413 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity"
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10-09-02, 05:44 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: The Obvious Boot" |
...congrats on the 2k, true!
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-09-02, 05:10 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: damnit scribe!" |
ICB, I have an idea about the Jake thing. This is what GDiva said, courtesy of Jeff Gator's comprehensive post:"Jake is not gay; I don't think there are any gays on the cast, but I am not sure.... However, I know that Jake is happily married; he loves his wife madly, which I have MUCH respect for Jake for that!" It's the use of "I know that" that sticks out to me. People often preface a statement with "I know that" when they don't know very much about something, but they do know this one particular fact. That could be the case here. Maybe she found this out second-hand from one of the other SJ's, or it's something she knows from a single conversation with Jake, say, on the plane ride back.
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Wacko Jacko 2438 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model"
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10-09-02, 05:58 PM (EST)
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12. "Jake" |
Couldn't she of gotten to know jake on the plane back from Thailand? Don't they hold all the contestants over to fly back together to one location LA? Also could of possibly gotten to know him on the way out there - samething.
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Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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10-09-02, 05:32 PM (EST)
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5. "Not as obvious as we think..." |
If we look at the results of the CBS website "Who's next poll" we get the following results:Erin is in first with 37 percent of the votes. Stephanie is in second with 25 percent of the votes. Total number of votes: 55666 So, MB's editing will surprise at least 62% of the general viewer population if Ghandia goes...not obvious to most.
If you visit the Spoiler websites we see that they are well over 50% for Ghandia...obvious to us spoilers. I think MB's priority is the millions of viewers, not the hundreds of spoilers... If Ghandia goes this week MB will be happy, and I'll be happy as well... Krautboy
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sweetnvicious 5 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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10-10-02, 10:50 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: Not as obvious as we think..." |
i agree erin has been so vacant this entire season
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sleeeve 3456 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity"
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10-10-02, 01:27 AM (EST)
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22. "RE: Not as obvious as we think..." |
>I've never believed >the CBS poll to be >clean; i.e. I think they >manipulate it. And I have always maintained that this conspiracy theory of yours is utter bull sh!t. Why would CBS manipulate the polls? To trick the 1.5% of their viewers that read the website? Do you really think that it's a conspiracy that the good looking and/or good natured people are always the leaders in these polls? That's not called poll manipulation... that's called human nature. If you wanna claim that CBS is manipulating polls on thier site, at least blame the obvious source of this manipulation: the editing!... To the average viewer, good looking and seemingly good-natured people like Ken and Erin are the obvious picks for favorites to win... it's no conspiracy that the polls reflect this. Now, if you wanna start to talk about the conspiracy behind editing certain characters in ways to pull at the audience's emotional strings, then I'm all ears, and if you wanna relate the general public's response to this editing into your theories, then this is definately valid under your "Hollow Theory"... but do not keep claiming that these polls do not reflect an average cross-section of Survivor's young viewing population (who are more likely to seek additional information about the show online).
You never know what might be up my sleeeve...
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Wacko Jacko 2438 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model"
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10-09-02, 06:01 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Not as obvious as we think..." |
LAST EDITED ON 10-09-02 AT 06:05 PM (EST)Seems like ballot stuffing (www.cbs.com)is going on because not only is Erin favored to be the next boot she is also favored to win the whole thing. I think Erin was also favored to get booted last episode. The percents are too high for someone who is not so obvisious and if you add Erin with the second favored boot (it's almost 80% of the vote) so only 20% for the other 11 contestants. The answer is the poll is rigged. Somebody likes Erin.
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-10-02, 11:46 AM (EST)
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28. "RE: The Obvious Boot" |
>She attaches >importance to people staying true >to their spouses - whether >she does or not. Exactly, Granvil. I missed the psychological factor, but you hit it on the head. Of course Jake's loving his wife would resonate with Ghandia, vis-a-vis the Ted incident, however she happened to find this information out. But it may be the ONLY impression that she carries with her of Jake. And -- she was obviously responding to a poster who had a specific question or comment about Jake being gay. She said nothing else about him, and he is not one of her SJ stars.
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-09-02, 05:47 PM (EST)
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10. "The only issue is...." |
If CG goes to TC, then I totally agree: Ghandia is a virtual lock to be brooding and intensifying her unappeasable hatred in Loser Lodge.HOWEVER, the issue, and the KEY issue, is who wins the I.C. Unless the challenge with the dummies IS the I.C., then I would like to see if it's more physical or mental. The physical challenge with the dummies is, IMHO, a SJ victory if they don't throw it. 27-25 Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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Wacko Jacko 2438 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model"
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10-09-02, 06:04 PM (EST)
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14. "But is it Obvisious?" |
Isn't Burnett trying to tell us SJ is going to throw the challenge?
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Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-10-02, 10:12 AM (EST)
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26. "RE: But is it Obvisious?" |
Isn't Burnett trying to tell us SJ is going to throw the challenge? Here's the nutjob question...could CG throw the challenge to get rid of Ghandia? I seriously doubt it, but it could be worth some debate. Jeff's quote about throwing challenges leads us to believe it happened more than once. He also implied that throwing a challenge in a timely fashion was a successful strategy. So far, we've seen SJ throw one. However, the spoiler evidence suggests that CG is the more successful tribe in the long run, with 5 of their members going far. If that is indeed true, then SJ throwing challenges is not really a successful strategy. But would CG throw a challenge? That would take them down to 5 members, and while they know they work together better without the drama, they still at best come out even in a traditional merge. Worst case scenario, they would go into a merge 7-3, with 2 more of their merry band joining the diva in the lodge. This would also set them up for a pagonging, should the other tribe remain strong. Would they be willing to risk it? The only reason I could see them being willing to risk it is if they were sure that Ghandia would turn on them in a merge and get them pagonged anyway. But I do think it's too early for them to consider doing it. Ghandia's still my pick this week, though.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-09-02, 08:29 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: The Obvious Boot" |
>> I'm still trying to come up with a theory for how a Chewie tribe outmatched 7-5 after this episode turns itself into a 5-4 majority by the end of E7, especially if there is a switch or early merge. GuessItRains-- I always enjoy your logic... I see your point. One theory, SJ loses a member in Eps 5 and 6, and there's a regular merge at 5-5 and an SJ gets the boot--perhaps because someone switches loyalties at the merge. (Who knows what the dynamics will be by Ep 7?) I believe the 5 CG's left will have a reasonably tight alliance, whereas the SJ don't. They have 2 or 3 people they want to lose, if you cound Shii. Basically, CG would get ahead because SJ, like Samburu, is too fractured to come together as a team until it is too late for them to hold a majority and sweep the finals. Is a team down 5-7 disadvantaged in the challenges? Well, not if they have axed their challenge liabilities and learned to work together. SJ has to sit out some of its strong members from time to time. It can even out--only takes two IC losses in a row to get to 5-5. That's not to say I don't share your concerns that SJ could lose the IC. As Dawg points out, that's the key, but we have no IC challenge info and it doesn't look like we're getting any this time. "Indecision may or may not be my problem"
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-09-02, 07:21 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: The Obvious Boot" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-09-02 AT 07:23 PM (EST)Scribe, Your posts are always so cogent, so logical. I hope you are right. I had made a post about "obvious boots" on the Misdirection thread, so I hope people will forgive the repetition. I'll just copy it over here and add the link to the whole conversation. At the time I posted I hadn't seen the full teaser for Ep 5 and none for Ep 6, but when I saw them the same thing you mention jumped out at me--that the Ghandia issue had fallen off the radar. I mentioned this in an email (didn't post it) and was reminded that the same thing could happen if Ghandia got switched to SJ in Ep 5 (without Ted)--that Burnett might even have engineered the separation if she didn't get booted just to stop all the harassment complaints and forestall legal problems. However, I don't believe there's a switch in Ep 5, as there's zip in the promo about destinies or the game going through changes. Here's the earlier post, omitting thoughts about the switch because I decided against it: -------------------- http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/3057.shtml#6 I have reservations about Ep4. Yes, it could be misdirection. However, in the past we've had pre-merge episodes where the previews centered on the boot. Most obvious examples are Kimmy/Alicia and Mother Africa. Now on both of these I picked the wrong boot. With the Kimmy previews, I decided to go with Ogakor going to TC. I followed the misdirection rule and lost. With Linda, I went with Samburu to go to TC, but decided Linda was too obvious given that the preview focused on her acting bizarre and obnoxious. I think I voted for Tbird. Duh. Whiny emotional Lindsay's boot--the previews focused on her dilemma, so some of us assumed Boran was going to TC. Another example (post-merge) is Frank. The previews showed him going all right wing on the group. Sure enough, Frank was history, and for many people, they went away from the Frank boot and went for Kim P--again the misdirection theory fell through in the case where the boot was the result of a personality conflict that MB wanted to hype. Jerri's boot in Ep 9 met this pattern, with the promos giving us her saying that she wanted Colby and making herself even more negative COA than usual. (I missed that one too, figuring that Nick was getting pagonged and we were being misdirected to think something interesting would happen.) I have a history of missing the obvious boots. So now we have Drama Queen Ghandia, and I tend to think this is the non-surprise boot, for which we are given misdirection by having the previews throw it in our face so we're afraid to pick the obvious. If the previews focused on SJ, wouldn't we all be saying that the Ghandia boot was a sure thing? I think we would. I'm not convinced I'm right, but that's my counter-argument. I'm still open to being persuaded. For right now, I like the argument given by others that the misdirection going on within the CG focus is in leading us to think there's a true gender divide, whereas Ghandia gets the heave 5-1 when it all boils down at TC. "Indecision may or may not be my problem"
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jkokoj 4389 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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10-10-02, 12:07 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: The Obvious Boot" |
Didn't Tanya say in one of her interviews that she did not know about the Ted/Ghandia incident?If that is the case and Ghandia was booted and at LL with one of her stars why would she not have ran and said "Ohhh girl you should have seen him grinding all over me"! If Ghandia and Tanya had bonded that much why would she not have told Tanya HER side the story? I am being stubborn. MB's editing this year is just odd and not consistant with the past. I am not so sure she is the obvious boot. But alas time will tell!
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ulalame 778 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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10-10-02, 12:38 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: IC Info?" |
Here is the info on the similar challenges from previous survivors (posted in the Challenge Thread):In S1/E3: Rescue Mission Description: A cooperative effort to rescue an "injured" tribe member from deep in the jungle. Starting on the rocky beach near Bird Island, tribes dash into the jungle carrying a stretcher. The first team to locate their injured tribe member, load her onto the stretcher, and carry her back to the beach to the first aid station, wins. Winning Tribe Gets: Immunity Winning Tribe: Pagong In S2/E5:
Challenge: Triage Location: Herbert River Description: Each tribe selects two members to become "rescuers." The other members are placed at predetermined accident locations. Using a triangular-shaped stretcher called a "travois," each tribe must locate their tribemates at the accident locations and bring them back, one by one, to the "first aid tent." First tribe to rescue all of its members and cross the finish line wins. Winning Tribe Gets: A crate from Target filled with various creature comforts, such as shampoo, toothpaste, spices, soup mix, and warm blankets. Winning Tribe: Kucha
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-10-02, 01:01 PM (EST)
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32. "Final Piece of the Puzzle" |
I just voted for Ghandia, THEN realized that the bleeding answer has been slapping us in the face all along!Ghandia lists TANYA as her "most definitely" star. Now, if this is a friends list, it means that Ghandia got to liking Tennessee Tanya really well. John is a preacher, and Jed has been described as a deeply religious person. Let's say these Bible thumpers hang out together at Loser Lodge. It would be MOST natural for Ghandia and Tanya to hang out together at Loser Lodge! If someone goes before Ghandia, then Ghandia's Tanya-time is shared with that other person. Based on this comment, THIS episode becomes the logical time for Ghandia to go! And therefore, this is probably all the more reason we're wrong and Brian picks the purple rock... Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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