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"Neleh - Official Final Episode Discussion Thread"
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"Neleh - Official Final Episode Discussion Thread" |
Neleh - Official Final Episode Discussion ThreadThis is the official thread for discussing all final spoilers and speculation regarding this contestant. With such a short time to the final episode, it is crucial that all spoiling discussion be well focused and strictly organized. A (State of the Spoiling) SOTS thread will be generated that will link to and summarize the posts that are generated on this thread along with the discussion that develops on the other Official discussion threads. Remember... there are only three days... organization will be all important.
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1. "sloppy attempts at foreshadowing" |
For the immunity challenge Jeff Probst told a story about a warrior and his infiltration of another tribe. At the end of the story, after having infiltrated the opposing tribe, the warrior was told to have returned to his tribe, let down his long hair, and killed the chieftain of their rivals which denominated the warrior as the strongest warrior and ultimate victor. During this part of the story, the camera was focused on Neleh drawing a parallel to her long hair, the warrior’s long hair, and made when the warrior was named as victor. This could have served to foreshadow the victor of the immunity challenge itself, (it did not), or possibly to foreshadow the winner of the entire game.Also, drawing from memory without the benefit of taped episodes, there was a point where the camera focused on Kathy who made a comment similar to, “I love wining this thing,” as a reference to the immunity challenge. The cut was made in an odd position. It was not a tracking shot that followed Kathy from the beginning of her celebration after winning immunity to the end of the celebration. It was a clear-cut juxtaposition; at one moment her celebration was in progress, then a direct cut was made to her remark, which could possibly signify Kathy winning the final two immunities. There was also the comment made by Probst at tribal council, something like, the only sure way to make it to the final two is by winning the last two immunities, again, I think, followed by a cut to Kathy. Why this is relevant: The show has used simple foreshadowing to show who stays, who goes, and who wins immunity. The episode with The General building the pig snare, “I got pig!” foreshadowed him winning immunity with his comments about it in a conversation with Tammy. The episode during the merge with Kathy winning the immunity was similar. She was put on screen saying she needed immunity then wa-laa! Kathy wins immunity. Even the vid-caps for episode 12 seemed to signify Sean’s boot with a large spinning “LOSE” flying over top of Sean’s picture. However, having said all this, the editing appears to be so random; people edited as targets then staying, people edited as safe then staying, people edited as safe then not staying, that it’s possible this speculation is arbitrary. If the foreshadowing is significant then it seems to point to a final two of Neleh and Kathy with Neleh winning. It also seems the simplest answer with a boot order of Vee next, then Kathy winning final immunity and choosing Neleh, since Kathy’s been shown to think of Paschal as her biggest threat. I hope I’m wrong and Kathy wins. Also Neleh, along with Paschal, seem to be edited with a focus on their negative traits; selfishness, lying, hypocrisy. This indicates a character shift from sweet and innocent to malicious and greedy. If one of them were to win then it could demand more interest from an audience. Compare Ethan’s victory (S3) to Richard’s (S1) with Richard’s seeming to generate more crowd interest. Random Speculation: In the final two John and his cohorts vote against Kathy because she peed on his hand.
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5. "RE: Neleh - Official Final Episode Discussion Thread" |
Well, I have to say Neleh is my least favorite player left and has been since the horrid Zoe got booted. I don't see her winning against anyone, really, unless it is her and Paschal in the Final 2. Maybe against Vee.
K/N F2:
Kathy: Sean, Vee, John, Tammy, maybe Robert
Neleh: Paschal, Zoe, maybe RobertV/N f2 (very unlikely, IMHO)
V: Sean, Tammy, Kathy
N: Paschal, Robert, John
I don't know how Zoe would vote, could go either way. N/P F2 (horrible thought)
N: John,
P: Sean, Vee, Kathy, Tammy
Don't know how Zoe, Robert would vote, wouldn't matter unless Paschal said "give the money to Neleh."
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3. "Neleh - S4 champ" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-17-02 AT 11:15 AM (EST)I am going to reserve the right to change my mind, but I wanted to take this opportunity to get some holes blown in my theory as to why Neleh wins and see if there are potentially any takers for this theory. Obviously it is very easy to come up with a scenario of Neleh making it to the final two. If form holds, which it usually does despite MB attempts to make us think otherwise, then Vee goes next. Based on multiple Kathy spoilers, it looks like she is very likely to make it to the Final two - especially considering that she is physically the best player left in the game. So, who does she choose - the loveable Pappy or the controversial Neleh? Assuming that she doesn't know about Pascal's "promise" to John, she has no idea that there may be resentment on the jury of his "switch." From her perspective, it was a smart game move anyway and her own POV probably precludes her from seeing their alliance from the perspective of John, et al. Knowing that Neleh HAS built up a lot of resentment, I think in the end she decides to go with her instead of having to guess on whether or not people are mad at Pappy. So, now why do I pick Neleh to win against Kathy? There are several hints that I have seen that have me leaning this direction. Looking at the jury objectively, I would guess that Kathy would beat Neleh, but the jury has always defied logic so it is really hard to go on that. My reasons, therefore, are as follows: 1) the alleged proliferation of reverse shots through-out the show are subtle, a-la-Ethan, hints that neleH wins.
2) the yellow totem in focus in the preview is the color or Neleh's totem from the superchallange (AND Rosie is wearing a yellow buff which is very limited in value unless there is a connection between both appearences in yellow).
3) Neleh hosted a reunion for all Survivors in UT last month - seems like something that a winner would do
4) Sean's multiple statements that Kathy would have been better off siding with V/S - could be sour grapes, could be something.
Admittedly, it is thin logic that holds all of this together, but we have very little to go on and you have to start somewhere.
PLEASE blast away.
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6. "RE: Neleh - S4 champ" |
I just don't see Neleh winning over the jury...I am sure Sean went back to the loser lodge and let it all out about his perception of what was going on. I don't think the Rotu 4 dislike Sean, they'll listen. IF there is a N/K F2: John-might go either way, but I think he and Kathy had a bond and Neleh might be guilty by association with the Paschal giving his word thing. Zoe-Hard to tell...might still be bitter about being voted out by her "friend" Kathy and she seemed to really bond with Neleh. Tammy-I think would vote for Kathy, Didn't have any issues with her at all it seemed. The used mint thing threw her over the edge with Neleh. Robert-Also think he'd vote for Kathy. Sean-Obviously Kathy gets his vote Vee-I don't see her voting for Neleh Pappy-Obviously Neleh I guess it could happen, but IMHO I don't see the Rotu4 falling for the girl next door act either, they'll kow that Kathy had to play the game harder to stay alive and reward that with votes. All I know is if Neleh wins I will be SOOOO F#!@#$%* displeased!
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7. "Time to blow holes" |
Sorry, PRE, you know you had it coming. Here goes:<<1) the alleged proliferation of reverse shots through-out the show are subtle, a-la-Ethan, hints that neleH wins.>> This is the only one I let you get away with. But you will end up losing 3 to 1. <<2) the yellow totem in focus in the preview is the color or Neleh's totem from the superchallange (AND Rosie is wearing a yellow buff which is very limited in value unless there is a connection between both appearences in yellow).>> Yellow is also the color of Maraamuu. All of the F5 players had a yellow buff at some point. <<3) Neleh hosted a reunion for all Survivors in UT last month - seems like something that a winner would do>> Did Rich host a S1 reunion? no. Did Tina host a S2 reunion? no. Did Ethan host a S3 reunion? no. Sorry, but a reunion just doesn't point to anything aside from the fact that this S4 group was tighter than the previous casts had been. <<4) Sean's multiple statements that Kathy would have been better off siding with V/S - could be sour grapes, could be something.>> I think this is an indication that Kathy could have gone farther against him and Vee than P/N. Doesn't point to a N victory, but it does say that N may get farther than K. Could mean that Vee wins immunity and that Kathy is booted next? Not sure, but I just don't think it means a N win. Hope I don't sound too much like Peter blowing holes in your theory...
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12. "RE: Time to blow holes" |
>Sorry, PRE, you know you had
>it coming. Here goes:
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><<1) the alleged proliferation of reverse shots through-out the show are subtle, a-la-Ethan, hints that neleH wins.>>
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>This is the only one I
>let you get away with.
> But you will end
>up losing 3 to 1.
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><<2) the yellow totem in focus in the preview is the color or Neleh's totem from the superchallange (AND Rosie is wearing a yellow buff which is very limited in value unless there is a connection between both appearences in yellow).>>
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>Yellow is also the color of
>Maraamuu. All of the
>F5 players had a yellow
>buff at some point.
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The focus of this is not necessarly the buff, which I said was not necessarily the pointer. It was showing Neleh's yellow totem in the CBS preview. Definitely not ironclab, but worth considering.
><<3) Neleh host
ed a reunion for all Survivors in UT last month - seems like something that a winner would do>>
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>Did Rich host a S1 reunion?
> no. Did Tina
>host a S2 reunion?
>no. Did Ethan host
>a S3 reunion? no.
> Sorry, but a reunion
>just doesn't point to anything
>aside from the fact that
>this S4 group was tighter
>than the previous casts had
>been.
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I would just think that since she chose to host the reunion, that she feels pretty good about the way things turned out. Again, not a definite indicator, but it is a part of my chain of evidence.><<4) Sean's multiple statements that Kathy would have been better off siding with V/S - could be sour grapes, could be something.>>
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>I think this is an indication
>that Kathy could have gone
>farther against him and Vee
>than P/N. Doesn't point
>to a N victory, but
>it does say that N
>may get farther than K.
> Could mean that Vee
>wins immunity and that Kathy
>is booted next? Not
>sure, but I just don't
>think it means a N
>win.
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You're right on this one. If there is ANY value in Sean's statement (which is certainly debatable), it only helps thi argument IF Neleh pairs up with Kathy in the final per my scenario above. >Hope I don't sound too much
>like Peter blowing holes in
>your theory... I want holes blown in my theory - any opinion worth having should be questioned and be able to stand up against that questioning. The genesis of this theory anre the "backward shot" spoilers and then trying to find other pieces of evidence that fit with what those shots may or may not be trying to tell us.
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05-17-02, 04:15 PM (EST)
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23. "Marry me" |
PRE, I just have to say... YOU ROCK !!! You have an awesome attitude. I agree that your ideas are possibilities. My dissension is simply that I don't agree with them for the reasons that I outlined. The backward shot theory is the only one that I just can't say anything about, particularly when I didn't agree w/the Ethan as Jesus theory either, and then look who won?!
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05-17-02, 04:58 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Marry me" |
Lol!!! Well, 2 out of 4. How do you cook your rats? Sauteed in butter? or simply bbq'd?
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05-17-02, 01:04 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Neleh - S4 champ" |
My one issue with Neleh as S4 champ is the editing.Up until recently, Neleh was Sweetpea, and the audience saw her only in a positive light. But then we started to see the endless "Oh my hecks" and comments from the other contestants that showed her in a less than favorable light. When the editing started to show a little tarnish on that halo, I speculated that it was to give the audience a way to understand why Neleh would be voted out before Paschal. Now I'm starting to think it's a way to show the audience why she would be excluded from the final two, but in such a way that the winner comes out looking good. Why would MB edit the show to make us like the winner less as the show went on, especially when it would have been so easy to keep showing her as Sweetpea?  Rude snot fluent in Sarcastic...and those are my good points. 'Canes Rock! Beat Canada!
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18. "RE: Neleh - S4 champ" |
BTW, MB never tried to edit Rich to make him likeable
and he is really trying to revisit that wining forula with S4. Agreed, but his editing of Rich was consistent throughout the entire show. Rich was devious, cunning, and plotting throughout. There wasn't any sort of redemption, or any sort of editing to try and change the audience's opinion. Rude snot fluent in Sarcastic...and those are my good points. 'Canes Rock! Beat Canada!
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9. "RE: Neleh - S4 champ" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-17-02 AT 01:06 PM (EST)No blasts from me, PagongRatEater. I just want to point out one thing. In spite of the editing of late, in which EPM leads us to believe that, as you say, "Neleh HAS built up a lot of resentment" I think it is EPM and his evil editing team that is doing the "building." Ever since the Nasty Neleh theme started, the only tribemate that has seriously complained about her is Sean. The "Gee My Hair Smells Terrific" thing seemed to be just an annoyance to the tribe and didn't seem to have any long term impact. It sure didn't result in any votes from the future jurors.
Neleh is being edited a la Lex. (Well, that may be going a little far  ).
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16. "RE: Neleh - Official Final Episode Discussion Thread" |
Ok I have already posted this on another thread but it got pushed back. I think it will have more significance here.
***** Definitely making the trip will be Neleh, of course; John Dennis and Neleh"s mother, Rebecca; Neleh"s grandfather; one of Neleh"s co-workers the family calls Grandma; most of Neleh"s seven siblings and some sibling spouses; and Neleh"s boyfriend.*****
This is from an article from her hometown saying that all these people will come w/her to N.Y..(S.News & S.Fever ) Now why would she bring all these people w/ her if she weren't in the final 2. I could she her parents & boyfriend. I have a big family too and the only reason for all of them to be there would be to see me win a million. That being said. I don't think or want her to win. But I think she is in the 2. I hope w/Kathy. But the article about Pappy's hometown selling tickets at the locale theater for the finale, plus other large, public showings sticks in my head. Peace & God Bless
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19. "RE: Neleh - Official Final Episode Discussion Thread" |
I have no idea who wins, but I do think Neleh has a BIG chance at it. While Kathy has actually been on the chopping block for a while, she escaped each time by either A)winning immunity or B)creating a distraction. Here is what I think will happen.FINAL 4
Neleh, Paschal, Vee, Kathy I would list the reversed images as a potential spoiler that Neleh takes it all, but almost all shows reverse screens, including ads and magazines and movies. What strikes me is that obviously, up until these past few episodes, she has been portrayed as an Elisabeth. Nice, innocent, sweet. Not competitive, strong, or a threat. The 2 episodes where she had been majorly focused on, it seemed as though MB had to squeeze hate out of Kathy and Sean. He had no other distraction. The Jury, they ultimately decide the final winner. The black clothes during yesterday's episode could represent hate and anger towards N/P for betraying them, or their voting for Vee.. or not, or just fun to show they are out.
Sean has always said and continues to say that Neleh is playing the game the hardest out there. Kathy says she is riding Pappy's coattails. Vee complains. Obviously, Pappy will vote for her if she gets in F2. It has been portrayed to us as everyone hates her, she has no chance at a million, she is being lazy. Everyone hated Rich and he won the million. This season has multiple times, been said its like Season 1. Is this some sort of foreshadowing for a "harsh talk"(aka Sue) by John who said he had a lot to say in the final TC. Neleh is being portrayed as RICH, strutting around, but not nude.
This is what will happen,
Next, unless Vee wins immunity, which I doubt, she will be voted out 3-1.
Final 3 is the endurance/holding on to something challenge. Pappy will pull a Rudy and let go of the pole or whatever it is they need to hold on to. Kathy will win this.
Kathy decides to take NELEH into the finals, because she has stated Pappy is their biggest adversary and would want to get rid of him because of risking more votes to him.
FINAL 2-Kathy/Neleh
Kathy goes into FTC with high hopes of beating Neleh.
VOTES.. JURY MEMBER - VOTE FOR WIN - REASON
Sean - Neleh - Even though he dislikes her innocent girl image, she is the first one to bring it to the end. He always have stated Neleh has been playing the game the most, and that is what seems to help the winners. Sean will vote for her because she made it that far by playing the game.
Vee - Kathy - Probably vote with Sean, or maybe will sway for one final time for Kathy.
Pappy - Neleh - Do I need to explain?..
John - Neleh - Even though Kathy did pee on his hands, she did piss him off during the first few eps. He stated he keeps in touch with Neleh a lot and is good friends with her. He would not hold a grudge against Neleh for betraying them becuse it was PAPPY who gave him his word.
Tammy - Kathy - She has never really displayed any dislikes/likes against Neleh, OR Kathy for that matter.
Zoe - Neleh - She will not vote Kathy out, because she did vote her out and for singling her out. She did not like having Kathy watching her 24/7 and knows that Kathy just sticks with the majority.
Robert - Kathy - They seem like good friends and Neleh is a good friend too, but I dont think he stuck around long enough to see how Neleh could play the game while holding up her innocent girl shield. NELEH - 4
KATHY - 3 I hope i am right!
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22. "NELEH V. KATHY" |
This would be a really exciting final 2, and it looks somewhat probably. As long as Vee doesn't win the next IC. Kathy would whoop Neleh and Paschal in an endurance challenge (shortest endurance challenge ever!) and take Neleh because Pappy is popular. But, how will the Jury vote?! John- Will vote for Neleh. Kathy really irritated John. John likes Neleh. Zoe- Could go to Neleh, because of TC 7 where Neleh was leaning against her shoulder etc. But could go Kathy b/c of friendship. Tammy- Who the hell knows? I have a feeling she might vote with John, for Neleh. Robert- Will vote for Neleh. He likes her. He called her sweet and the ringleader in his EW interview. Sean- Kathy. He really doesn't like Neleh. Vee- Kathy. Kathy supported the tribe at the end, as we saw last night. She was the food provider. Paschal - Nelehduh Hmm... According to this, it's still up in the air. it hinges on Zoe and Tammy... Does anybody know how Tammy feels about Neleh? or Kathy? What I'm thinking is that Kathy was the target at the merge, and was very alianated from the Rotu4. This may tip the scales to Neleh, who was much more UTR. While Neleh could be seen as grating, it was mostly Sean who really disliked her. I think a lot of it was editing, too. MM
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25. "RE: NELEH V. KATHY" |
Does anybody know how Tammy feels about Neleh? or Kathy? Her TV Guide Online interview suggests that she would favor someone like Kathy, who attempted to take a leadership role and play the game, over someone who was UTR. Rude snot fluent in Sarcastic...and those are my good points. 'Canes Rock! Beat Canada!
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30. "RE: Neleh - Official Final Episode Discussion Thread" |
this is my guesspascal: neleh sean: kathy (early show he mentions that he will not let the girl next door to win) vee: probably kathy (influenced by sean, said she was
pretending to be busy), but may be bitter since kathy votes her off john: neleh (he doesnt seem to like kathy) tammy: kathy (she respects her from one of her post boot interview, she said she wants to boot her first, but get to know her better and thinks herself would be like kathy in 10 years time, i think that is a compliment) robert: kathy (mentions in every interview that kathy is a great lady) zoe: kathy (she isnt the type of sour grapes) conclusion: kathy wins 5:2 or 4:3
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29. "Neleh - Too Sweet To Swallow" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-18-02 AT 00:59 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 05-18-02 AT 00:50 AM (EST) Let's look at Sweatpea in a hypothetical F2: NELEH vs. KATHY
ROTU4 would all vote for KATHY in despite of Neleh as part of the alleged leaders in pagonging the Rotu4, and I don't buy any of the agruments that suggest any of the Rotu4 would vote for Neleh over Kathy.
SEAN/VEE votes for KATHY based on what happend at Ep12 TC, and many of Sean's previous comments.
PAPPY would be only vote for Neleh. NELEH vs. VEE
ROTU4 would all vote for VEE in despite of Neleh as part of the alleged leaders in pagonging the Rotu4, and I don't buy any of the agruments that suggest any of the Rotu4 would vote for Neleh over Vee.
SEAN votes for VEE based on what happend at Ep12 TC, and many of Sean's previous comments.
PAPPY would be only vote for Neleh. NELEH vs. PAPPY
ROTU4 would all vote for NELEH over Pappy who they feel was the true leader in pagonging the Rotu4.
SEAN votes for PAPPY. Even though Sean and Pappy had it out at Ep12 TC, he kept his "respect" for Pappy, and has always refered to Neleh as a major game player.
VEE would vote the same way as Sean for many of the same reasons.
KATHY would vote PAPPY as the more deserving winner. Therefore, IMHO, Neleh's only shot to win it is if she's with PAPPY in F2. Neleh does have a legitimate shot at reaching F3 for the following reasons:
1.) Vee is gone unless she wins F4 IC for the reasons stated HERE.
2.) If Vee wins F4 IC, she knows Pappy will not vote for Neleh. Therefore, Vee will likely vote with Pappy (who has no other choice but to vote Kathy), and Neleh would make F3.
3.) If N or P win F4 IC, they will obviously take each other into F3. Neleh's chances at F2 (assuming she makes it to F3):
1.) Obviously, her best chance is if she OR PAPPY win F3 IC.
2.) If PAPPY is not in F3, then Neleh could make F2 since either Kathy or Vee would see her as less than a threat than their other option. Thus, I believe Neleh has the best shot (besides Kathy) of making it to F2. She just better pray the Judge is with her in the end. 
Edited twice for bad type-o's. I'm done for tonight.
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05-19-02, 06:45 PM (EST)
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32. "EW article" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-19-02 AT 07:04 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 05-19-02 AT 07:02 PM (EST) I found this short article about all 4 - it capsulates each storyline, handicaps each one, but the comment about Neleh is interesting. They call her the inevitable winner. Probably very little spoiler value overall, but I found its viewpoint suspicious enough to add to the mix.
http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,236211-1-5~3~0~,00.html
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33. "RE: Neleh - Official Final Episode Discussion Thread" |
It's so close to the show but I've been wanting to throw something in anyway.On the CBS Popularity Poll, Neleh's popularity has dropped like a rock since the Tammy boot. This is because of the (IMO) "Grasping-at-straws-to-make-the-cute-one-not-so-nice" editing....Well it worked and the general public doesn't like Neleh but they don't ~hate~ her. There is no villain in the Final 4 - The polls from S2/3 always had the longer lasting nice guys stay at the top. Anyway quick conclusion she's not nice; she's not bad; she has no chance in hell of winning. Kathy has also (for what reason I have no clue - I honestly don't remember Kathy being edited in a bad light lately) Kathy has also had a major drop recently (Which makes these CBS Polls highly suspect as falsified IMO, if you add in a few other pieces of info). The only two that have constantly been rising are Paschals and (especially) Vee's and while I'm still praying to the Lord to work some kind of miracle to stop this nightmare of an ending, it looks like that's what we're stuck with.
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Now let us never speak of S3 again.  
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Thx for a great year.
