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"What was with the two votes for Vee last night?"
PagongRatEater 12996 desperate attention whore postings
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05-03-02, 11:04 AM (EST)
 
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"What was with the two votes for Vee last night?" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-03-02 AT 11:19 AM (EST)I really thought that was significant and could potentially have some spoiler value. There was no reason that Tammy and Robert should have voted for Vee, especially when it was her birthday and Neleh was the only potential target (aside from Tammy). I would like to throw out a jilted lover theory. I think that T/R approaches S/V (or potentially were approached by S/V) with the potential of voting Neleh off. In either case, we saw some of the discussion on the beach between S/V and apparently they ultimately decided to get rid of Tammy. Perhaps, though, they decided to get rid of Tammy the immunity whore FIRST and then cast in their lot with the General in the next episode. Not likely, since this would only insure a tie, but potentially a line of line. A more likely issue, if they did indeed approach T/R is that Robert rats them out to try to buy another week. Any other thoughts on why T/R voted the way they did? I think it was definitely strange. You have to think that it is a relfection of something that happened off-camera, since there seemed to be no logical basis for it. Is there more to this vote? EDITED TO ADD: The other possibility is that they were trying to put a scare into S/V - making them feel vulnerable so they may be more willing to cast their lot with Robert next week.
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05-03-02, 03:02 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: What was with the two votes for Vee last night?" |
>Eh, I've noticed that random votes
>that seem to make little
>sense tend to go nowhere-
>Kathy's vote for Zoe, Zoe's
>vote for John, and T/R's
>vote for Vee. I agree that last night's surprise vote against Vee was silly. But as for the others that you mention, Kathy's vote for Zoe, was more to let Zoe know that she was on to her, and indeed two TC later Zoe was gone for those reasons (she was lying to much). As for Zoe's vote for John, he said in an interview (I believe it was at SFever) that Zoe really did not know how to play the game, and maybe that was the reason she did it. Most of the time, I think, those random votes actually have some purpose, like the Kathy vote, we will have to wait and see if Robert just basically has cut complete ties with Sean and Vee and won't even bother trying to allign with them. Don't won't do it anyway.
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05-03-02, 11:08 AM (EST)
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2. "Tammy said..." |
When she cast her vote for Vee that it was because she didn't work as hard as the others in the camp. I thought that was strange because they were complaining about Neleh and even Sean in the past but never has that been said about Vee.
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05-03-02, 12:01 PM (EST)
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4. "It shows that Neleh is safe and Vee is not" |
I just posted this before reading this thread. Pretty much summarizes that Neleh is safe and we simply got misdirection from EBM.<http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/2757.shtml> Robert is next in the pecking order, followed by Vee. Robert did foolishly expose himself by voting against Vee, thereby making himself a bigger target than before. But he simply couldn't vote for Tammy, his little sister. One thing that I didn't mention in my earlier post was the importance of food. If Robert catches the pig, he will definitely raise his standing in the tribe. They are SO hungry right now that the food catcher will survive at least 3 more days just so that they can live. Also, if Kathy catches a shark (and we know she won't), her standing increases also, though she isn't remotely in trouble right now.
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05-04-02, 11:14 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: It shows that Neleh is safe and Vee is not" |
I agree, with so few days left I don't think catching a pig will save Robert. They will eat good and feel they can make it to the end without catching another pig. Robert has to cause the final 5 to doubt each other or become angry with each other to save himself. Otherwise without immunity Robert is gone next.
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05-03-02, 12:13 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: What was with the two votes for Vee last night?" |
I definitely think you are right!! I think the votes for Vee were a message to her saying if she makes it to the finals "we won't forget you changed sides so many times". This morning on the Early Show Tammy was asked about the Vee vote and said it was only because of her lack of effort in the last couple days. She probably didn't want to say too much about "other" reasons.
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05-03-02, 12:11 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: What was with the two votes for Vee last night?" |
On the morning show, Tammy said that she had approached Vee for an alliance (T/R/V/S) and Vee had refused (which suggests that the Vee-Sean conversation might have been initiated by Vee and not Sean). Seeing no way to save herself when Vee refused, Tammy might have just voted for Vee out of spite.
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05-03-02, 12:40 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: What was with the two votes for Vee last night?" |
Thanks for clearing that up. That is kind of what I was suspecting, so I'm glad to hear that I was correct! It will be interesting to see if Rob is able to use the failed S/V defection to stay around and get rid of those two first. With Vee's history of jumping around and the history of players who do that, there is at least on outside possiblity that the General can stay around a little while longer. It would certainly fit the "mpst unpredictable survivor ever" motiff.
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simone 52 desperate attention whore postings
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05-05-02, 08:00 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: What was with the two votes for Vee last night?" |
Doh! I'm sorry about the misinformation...serves me right for not getting up and watching it myself and just taking what my boyfriend said at face value....I bet she is kicking herself, too.
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05-05-02, 01:37 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: What was with the two votes for Vee last night?" |
It is hard to think that Tammy was "giving up", but in a sense i think that is what she was doing. She knew that she would receive those 5 votes and wanted her and Rob's vote to go to the person who deserves them. As far as her voting for Neleh, i doubt it was that much of a consideration, i think that this whole Neleh thing is edited to be something WAY bigger than it really is.
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05-05-02, 09:48 PM (EST)
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15. "Tammy must have had a plan." |
Knowing how competitive Tammy was, I find it very difficult to believe she cast her vote for Vee simply out of spite and/or just because Vee "was not pulling (her) weight" as Tammy said when casting the vote.From recent interviews, we know she at least approached Vee to "feel her out" about a potential alliance, which Tammy assumed lead to a dead end. More importantly, we know T/R went directly to P/N in Ep 9 hoping they would be open to the idea of voting off S/V. Remember they asked them, "Do you want (S/V) standing at your side in the end?" Since they knew Pappy had some small bond with Sean when they won the feast reward, V was a more likely target. Therefore, IMO that concludes T/R felt their best (or only) shot was to vote for V, hoping either N/P may consider her at TC instead of Tammy. WHAT ABOUT KATHY in all this? Is it possible we were not shown T/R approaching Kathy for a vote against V? (Was this ever brought up or discussed in any of Tammy's TV interviews?) Could T/R somehow thought there was a possibility of K voting V as well? Regardless, in the end, I believe they all felt Tammy was just too dangerous as a IC winner. Therefore, any hints that N/P or K may have given T/R towards S/V did not come to fruition. Still, S/V must be kind of freaking out about the two votes against her. It must be in the back of their minds that V is now a potential target even if they are certain T/R cast the votes. Let's assume they all know T/R made the two votes against V. Then, the General will definitely be the prime target of S/V. Also, with his IC win last week, the General might as well ask the rhetorical question, "Do I have a bull's-eye on my forehead?" The General now has no other shot but to convince N/P~K to vote off S/V. However, he has never seemed to be the type of player who can manipulate votes. If he thinks catching a pig might save him, then I guess he IS as dumb as he looks!  Unless the General wins IC again, he's gone despite they obvious play on Neleh that EPMB has thrown in our face. 
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