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"Extended Vidcap discussion: Tammy, the necklace and the IC"
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04-23-02, 01:33 PM (EST)
 
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"Extended Vidcap discussion: Tammy, the necklace and the IC" |
With over 90 posts on the vidcap thread coupled with out of the ordinary slow load times today on the board I thought that we definitely need a new thread to discuss what is without a doubt the most important issue facing us this week, that being the IC and Tammy wearing the necklace again....Here are the photos that I think are important for this discussion, feel free to add others that I might have missed or forgotten about.. 
Now, as has already been determined on the boards, the pic of Tammy wearing the necklace is definitely NOT from last week's episode. Also, we know that in the necklace pic they are not coming or going to Tribal Council due to the lack of baggage and torches. Also, we know that we have never (to my recollection) seen a contestant wearing the necklace anytime EXCEPT to or from the Immunity challenge or to or from the Tribal Council. So, the running theories on the board is that this pic must be from either going to or coming back from the Immunity Challenge this week. The prevaling logic has been that it is on the way BACK from the IC due to Zzzzzz no longer wearing the shirt she is wearing in the stilt picture, the logic being that she would be more likely to strip down AFTER a challenge than before hand. So, people have been starting to surmise that Tammy must win the IC again.... But, over the last couple of days some nagging thoughts about that picture have started to surface on the vidcap thread. Myself, True and SweetPea all found it odd that Tammy would wear a bikini to an Immunity Challenge, especially one involving a land activity such as stilt walking. Also backing this up is the fact that the Reward Challenge IS a water based challenge this week and Tammy is wearing SHORTS instead of a bikini. So, if she isn't going to wear a bikini in a water challenge it makes no sense for her to wear one in a stilt walk, or any land challenge for that matter. Then, Sweetpea noticed something else about the photo....all the contestants are wearing sandles! When have we EVER seen a contestant show up to a challenge in any footwear OTHER than gym shoes? The answer is a big fat NEVER. Sure, we have seen them show up in sandles while carrying their gym shoes along with them, but obviously that is not the case in this photo. Even in the first post merge IC where Kathy won immunity the contestants were all wearing their gym shoes, even when they were going into the water.
So, the question now is if this photo is not from any challenge then what does it mean?? I think we have to start entertaining the theory that despite what we have seen on previous intallements of the show, Tammy might very well be simply wearing the necklace around camp.
If that is the case then we have to take this issue one step further....what does it all mean in the grand scheme of things? Why would Burn-it try to mislead us into thinking Tammy wins Immunity again? Well, I think the answer is simple......look what we know about this week's ep...we know that Tammy has already been mentioned as the #1 boot candidate behind John, we know that Tammy and Zzzzz have a huge brawl, we know that Tammy's alliance is on the verge of being pagonged. But, then Burn-it tries to distract us from Occams Razor and the obvious with a simple picture of Tammy wearing the necklace. There is only one logical place to go with this theory at this point......if you believe that the Tammy pic is misdirection and has nothing to do with who wins IC this week, then you must not only accept the fact that Tammy does NOT win IC this week, but also that Tammy gets booted as well. Why else would Burn-it try to deceive us like this? Why else would he go out of his way to try and protect Tammy like this, unless she truly NEEDS the misdirction. Think about it....without the necklace picture we would probably have a unanimous boot prediction for Tammy this week and we all know how Burn-it hates for anything to be obvious, especially this late in the game. Alright, I think you guys get the point and I'm starting to ramble a little bit....so, if I'm missing any elements to the theory I'll come back later and talk about them...
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04-23-02, 01:47 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Extended Vidcap discussion: Tammy, the necklace and the IC" |
Shakes, thank you - you did an amazing job putting all that together. In your post in the vidcap thread, you suggested that this could possibly be the walk to get the treemail, but I don't remember seening anything else about that possibility. It seems like this could be a likely explanation to me. Do we know the route from the Rotu camp to their treemailbox? I know the box is in a wooded area, but does anyone know if they have to walk along the beach to get to it?
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04-23-02, 02:42 PM (EST)
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7. ""unpredictable" has a Hollow ring to it" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-23-02 AT 02:49 PM (EST)Not only do I think shakestheclown is essentially correct in his statements, I would like to take it further to address the "unpredictability" issue, using the Hollow Theory. I've been thinking all along that the pic of Tammy with the IC necklace is not post-IC. I was thinking it might be enroute TO the IC, but shakestheclown's analysis is very logical in explaining the situation. But the conclusion is the same: MB is showing us Tammy with the IC necklace to lead us AWAY from the truth. Typical Hollow Theory in practice. Furthermore, we've been treated to a barrage from See-BS sources about the unpredictability of the game at this point. The See-BS site poll asks who's the new power, and gives Sean, Tammy and Kathy as the picks. How about "None Of The Above". But the implication is that Tammy might still have some power... another attempt to possibly lead us AWAY from the core truth. MB says it's going to be "unpredictable", Hercule Poirot says "that's leading me AWAY from the truth, ergo the truth must be that it IS going to be predictable and we'll see Tammy and Robert going next." So that is what I think of all this "unpredictable" business: It's going to be a predictable mini-pagonging, and MB is trying to shield that truth as much as possible. Added to various John interview transcripts, then Poirot is indeed shaving with Occam's Razor. 
*** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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04-23-02, 02:04 PM (EST)
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3. "Where are they walking from?" |
If we can definitively decide where they are walking from, that would help (duh)!I couldn't read all the posts on the vidcap thresd, but I did read that shakes suggested they might be coming back from getting tree mail. Something about that just doesn't ring right with me. Has anyone determined what it is that Kathy is holding in her right hand? It appears that Zoe is holding something in her left hand. And it appears that Paschal could be holding something in one or both of his hands, the way he is holding his arms. The "power shift" graphic is hiding his hands, so we can't know for sure. If they were returning from getting water or food, why wouldn't Robert and Tammy be pulling their weight by carrying something? So my question is: what are Kathy and Zoe and possibly Paschal holding that Robert and Tammy don't have, and is it at all relevant to where they are coming from? bebe
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04-23-02, 02:19 PM (EST)
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4. "Wearing the necklace around camp?" |
Shakes, why would Tammy want to wear the necklace around camp?After the decisive TC vote against John, and her cocky statement at TC, she has to know that wearing it around camp might be interpreted by others as her rubbing it in. I have to believe that she is smart and will do what she can to stay in the game as long as she can! If she really was just wearing it around camp, then she is a fool, and your assertion that she is the next one to go is probably right! bebe
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04-23-02, 02:58 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Walking from the Waterfall" |
>In the last episode after they were at the waterfall they
>stopped to see if they had tree mail. Also
>when they go to the waterfall neither Vee or Sean
>have been shown. This does not mean that they
>do not go, but it does tell why they may
>not be in the pic.
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I posted a similar theory in another thread - that perhaps they have returned from an IC and are getting ready to go to the waterfall (especially if the challenge is *not* a water-based one, as they'd be hot & tired) yet T has not yet removed the IN. They seem to carry a couple of bags when going there, too. The only other potential scenario I see is a trek for the tree mail, but isn't that usually in the AM (and they'd be wearing more clothing than in the pic in question)?As to MB looking to make it appear as if T wins, short of a tree mail trek, I'd buy that more quickly if we figure this pic is from a future episode (thus, T does not leave yet). The contestants do not seem to change their clothing that often to account for this pic as one from a previous episode (or from the upcoming one, considering the sandals). Even when they knew the RC was kite flying most wore their sneakers, not sandals. John and Zoe seem to be the only ones that would sometimes wear sandals for events.
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04-23-02, 02:42 PM (EST)
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6. "OFG question regarding the water and walking directions" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-23-02 AT 02:59 PM (EST)On the over 90-posts-vidcap-thread, OFG asked me which way they walk to TC. I thought I'd address some of the walking directions in this new thresd. (Apologies for shamelessly copying parts of my earlier post.) IF the IC is on Challenge Beach (East Coast of Nuku Hiva), then the survivors would walk back to Rotu (South East) with the ocean on their left (even around inlets). Likewise, the walk from Rotu to TC (west of Rotu Beach) is with the ocean on their left. http://www.claycritters.com/map/survivor_4_map.htm We need to make sure that the picture is not "reversed". Paschal's hair is parting on his left, which it does in all Paschal picutres I'm aware of (CBS, SurvivorFever). CamO01 also noted that Robert's tattoo is not reversed in this picture. So, the picture is not reversed, and the ocean is indeed on their left. Scenario I - Tammy only wears IN to/from IC/TC. In this case -IF IC is at Challenge Beach- the ocean being on their left means they are walking either from IC, or to TC. (I think we can rule out to TC, because they would have to carry at least their torches.) In either case Tammy has won IN. As has been pointed out by others, it is unlikely that this picture is from a future episode. (How would Sean/Vee get voted off, if Tammy did not win immunity?) Scenario II - Tammy likes to flaunt IN at other occasions. See shakes' post above - anything goes, and this pic is pure misdirection. The sandals issue is a tricky one.
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04-23-02, 02:50 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Extended Vidcap discussion: Tammy, the necklace and the IC" |
First, the Power Shift is to Sean this week, since he is shown beneath the waterfall that ( I forget who pointed this out) signifies power in that week's episode.Second, I agree with you, except for one thing. The whole "sandals/gym shoes" thing is less convincing than the fact that there's no good explanation of Tammy with the immunity necklace except IC. I just can't imagine that she'd be wearing it "around camp," plus they're clearly on their way to/from something significant. I think they're on their way TO the IC, which is why Tammy and Robert are comforting each other, because time is up for Tammy, and Robert's next. As you say, there's a lot of misdirection to distract viewers from the predictable ousters of Tammy and Robert. In my mind, the only other possibility is Zoe.
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04-23-02, 03:13 PM (EST)
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15. "shoes, bags, and other stuff" |
Anyone remember these pictures? They are of E1 where Hunter is carring a yellow and blue bag back from the IC loss. Here he is wearing sandles and Sean appears to be as well. 
This picture shows what he wore at the challenge (shoes?) 
What is in the bag? I say it is shoes and maybe some clothing of his or the others. Is there a designated carrier? Where someone takes turns bringing back and forth such items as shoes vs sandels? Especially for items like shoes which if worn wet can cause blistering. I think it is a definate possiblity. So why haven't we seen the bags again? Well my theory on that is there are a lot of things we aren't shown simply because it makes better TV to give the illusion that the people are on the island by themselves, so just because you never see the procution assistants, and the cameramen, doesnt mean they aren't there. Just because it looks like they walked the entire way doesn't mean there wasnt a jeep over the hill that took them to another part of the island. My guess is the same things is happening with the bags. They are using them, but were not shown them to give the illusion that they have to do everything for themselves. Also when I was looking for the pics I ran accross this article in the archives where Jiffy was spouting off about people not wearing appropriate attire to the challenges. Although I'm not for sure how it relates to this picture it does indicate there might have been a problem with this at some point, and since we haven't seen it yet perhaps it is coming up. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/cgi-bin/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=2287&forum=DCForumID2&archive=yes One last thing, we all seem to be in love with the idea of stilt walking, but what if this is just the entrance of a ballance beam challenge or some type of an obstacle challenge similar to what we saw in africa. It doesn't actually have to be stilts does it? I mean it seams like those would be extremely difficult and somewhat dangerous (depending on how high the stilts were). I'm not saying it's not stilts I just wonder if there is any other supporting info besides the one Zoe shot that it is. -ICB
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04-23-02, 03:35 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: shoes, bags, and other stuff" |
Just a thought, and as usual, probably very inacurate. Next episode is titled the princess. The vidcaps for the last two weeks have shown Tammy wearing the necklace. Is it possible that she is wearing the necklace around camp since she knows due to the actions at the last IC that her and Robert are on the clock? And since she is doing this, someone, possibly kathy, starts referring to her as the princess. If she would win IC again this week, and do the same, it could possibly be the origin of the Princess title. Or I could be wrong¡¡
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04-23-02, 03:39 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Extended Vidcap discussion: Tammy, the necklace and the IC" |
Ok, shakes, quit trying to confuse me.  Although I am uncomfortable with Tammy's clothing, I'm not entirely sure she has sandals on in the preview picture. They could be her tennis shoes.
When I first looked at this picture, I thought Tammy was wearing sandals. Now, I'm not so sure. Robert definately looks like he is wearing sandals, and so does Kathy. Here are 2 pics from Episode 8 return from IC. 
In this pic, I first thought Tammy was wearing sandals, as her front foot looks to have a lighter toe area. I rewatched the challenge, and she is wearing tennis shoes during the challenge, not sandals. Then I noticed her back foot. The back foot looks like a tennis shoe, not a sandal. Tammy is holding her shirt, and if you watch the actual video, it doesn't look like she is carrying any other shoes.
This picture is also from episode 8 walk back from IC. John is wearing sandals. John definately wore sandals for the episode 8 IC. (I rewatched the challenge) So, we can't say that survivors NEVER wear sandals during IC. (however, John is the only one wearing them)
I also rewatched a couple of trips to treemail. They have to go through a lot of brush, and all wore tennis shoes to get treemail. (that I saw)
What does any of this mean? I'm not sure. At this point, I'm leaning toward another Tammy IC win. I can't explain the bikini. The preview picture still looks post IC to me, especially when compared to the episode 8 pictures. They are walking in the same direction, they are wearing buffs. Zoe's missing shirt is easily explained. They have the same looks on their faces. And, there is nothing else suggesting anyone other than Tammy wins IC this week. Tammy is desparate to win, as was Kathy in episode 7. A lot of people picked Kathy to win episode 7 IC on that information alone. I think we have substatially more here to suggest that Tammy wins this week.
As far as the "unpredictible" tag given to this weeks show. What would be more unpredictable than a new tiebreaker rule. Something that is decided in a way that is not "democratic". None of this specualtion gets me any closer to this weeks boot. I'm anticipating a tie vote, and since we don't have a clue as to how the tie will be broken, anybody could go. 
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04-23-02, 03:43 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: Extended Vidcap discussion: Tammy, the necklace and the IC" |
Thanks for the new thread, Shakes. I would like to clarify something that I have lost in the other thread. Was it actually confirmed that the vid cap of Tammy with the IN is *not* from E8? I just looked back at this vid cap from the E8 promo:
(did this work?) Pascal and Kathy have the same clothes and the only difference in Tammy's attire is the shorts - which she could have put on when she got back to camp. MeToo
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04-23-02, 06:15 PM (EST)
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22. "Return from RC?" |
I know it would be pointless for Tammy to take the IN there, but I the more I look at this picture, the more it looks like they are returning from the RC.Comparing these pictures, the clothing is an exact match for everyone in both. Robert: Shirtless, dark shorts
Tammy: Black bikini
Paschal: Dark shorts (shirtless in RC)
Kathy: Blue bathing suit (wearing shorts on return)
Neleh: Red top, hair pulled back
Zoe: Black sports bra Here is what the sequence of photos could be: 
Despite Neleh and Zoe's efforts, Tammy and Vee win the RC...
...Robert congratulates Tammy on the way back, while Neleh and Zoe talk about what went wrong for their team...
...and when they return to camp, Neleh, et al. congratulate Vee...
...while Robert and Tammy become outsiders.
Returning from RC or not, I'm convinced the picture is from the same day, which puts me in the camp of those who think the IN picture is pre-IC in E9. In other words, I don't think Tammy wins immunity again this week.  Fester
"Checkmate, brah"--Sean, S4 E8
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04-23-02, 09:36 PM (EST)
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26. "Where were they?" |
We have two very nice shots that may show us where they were. The first on is definatively from last week on the way back from the IC. The second is the one in question.This is from last week. Notice John in front, Tammy with immunity and shorts, Neleh in different cloths, etc. All shot from the a low camera by a big rock. Also note which way the people are walking. Finally note the small pebbles and the back ground trees.
Ok now look at the pic that has everyone up in arms. Different angle. Different filter. Different clothes on the contestants. Bikini (and IN) on Tammy. Sandles on everyone. Walking in the same direction as the first. Look at the little pebbles on the beach and the background trees. Could this be the SAME beach?
I think so, and if it is, it IS definatly on the way back. -ICB
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04-23-02, 11:06 PM (EST)
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29. "I think it's doctored..." |
CowboyRoo mentioned the possibility that the photo is doctored. I wanted to reply at the end so this wasn't missed, because it might be huge. It might not, in which case you can ignore me.  CowboyRoo:
Could this photo possibly be doctored? Bear with me please, but I think the answer is a resounding yes. I'm sorry that I don't have any image-editing software to make this more apparent. Perhaps someone who does can help out by outlining what I'm talking about. I've cropped the pic to roughly center the topic of discussion, but that's about the extent of my ability. 
Take a look in-between Paschal, Tammy and Neleh. Tammy's arm does indeed seem to be cut off just past her elbow. You'll also notice a slightly darker piece of the sand between Tammy's thigh and Paschal's shoulder, very unnatural change in color. Tammy's left leg also looks nearly sickly, as if someone tried to darken it to add shadow to make the change seem less than it was - in fact, it nearly blends in to this piece of the beach that stands out. Then look above this, and you'll see the rough outline of something that's been removed from the pic - I think it looks like the shape of a person. It also appears that Neleh's head is at an awfully strange angle, as if perhaps someone to her right (our left) was cut out of the image. Perhaps we've found Sean and Vee? Or perhaps even John... Someone please tell me that I'm not imagining things here.
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04-24-02, 04:59 PM (EST)
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41. "RE: I think it's doctored..." |
I definitely see the outline of the "person" you are referring to, jayseae. The place where it stikes me the most is right on paschal's right shoulder.If, as IC says, a shadow of the Tammy image could be left behind due to it being a still from live motion (sounds reasonable, what the hell do I know?), to me, it still doesn't explain the fact that the line on Paschal's shoulder conforms exactly to his shirt. Definitely looks to me like someone has been brushed out (John). Ice Cat, are you saying it's just possible this is a glitch in the photo, or most likely a glitch? And a futher detailing of your reasoning, in a vidcap-for-dummies sort of way, would help get me off of this line of thinking. I will certainly defer to the video experts if I could understand the reasoning. Til then, I am stuck on this. Even though concluding this is doctored still doesn't helps us place the picture. But if it is a doctored pic, one thing is clear - Tammy does NOT win IC this week and is the likely boot. Why doctor a pic to show Tammy with IN if she really wins it? Why not just show the picture? Obvious answer - there is no good reason. It also isn't likely from a future episode. "Knowing" Sean stays for at least 2 more eps., Vee would have to be gone tomorrow if Sean is merely out of the picture. And who here thinks there is any way Vee goes tomorrow? Unless the tie-breaker is so funky a non-targeted party actually bites it. Ok, so maybe possible (what isn't?), but definitely not likely. My grand conclusion from all of this? This is some sort of clip from last week, sometime btw. IC and TC, that was never shown on the air. I specifically recall seeing clips for S3 that never appeared on the program and the insidious repeating of old clips with doctored buff colors, etc. Doctoring a photo is not only a EPM possibility, it is a proven method of his madness. 
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04-24-02, 08:07 PM (EST)
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45. "RE: I don't. . ." |
>Thanks for the photoanalysis.I agree everyone, and if it isn't doctored, sorry for raising the alarm. But I still see something there. Ignore Neleh for a moment, as she's in the background anyway (though I do think her head looks funny). If this is indeed just a blur due to the codec, and what I'm seeing is a "ghost" of Tammy, that's fine. I can really buy that. But wouldn't the current image of Tammy overlay the "ghost"? The "ghost" would still be visible in this case, but then wouldn't Tammy's entire arm be there? I know you can blow it up to whatever size you like and see most anything - and that the arm could be behind her or something. But it just seems to end right there past her elbow. I also think that Tammy's left leg looks like it's been shaded by hand - looks almost diseased, IMHO. Anyway, I really do think this might be a doctored pic, and I won't push for it any further. Thanks for the extra eyes!
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04-24-02, 03:01 AM (EST)
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32. "Robert wims Immunity?" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-24-02 AT 03:06 AM (EST)
What if Robert wins the Immunity Challenge, and in an "unpredictable" move, gives the IN to his friend Tammy? She was the prime target going into the challenge and Robert figured that they were probably going anyway, so what the heck...
MB let us know about the Immunity Transference rule for a reason. It has to come into play at some point, and this seems like a good possibility. We see Tammy wearing the IN back to camp, as she hugs Robert who has protected her, but has a long face because Robert is now vulnerable because he saved her. Paschal is confused by this honorable gesture and must now reconsider his choice for TC...  Krautboy
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04-24-02, 07:01 AM (EST)
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36. "RE: Robert wims Immunity?" |
I'm not sure I agree the pic was doctored, as the quality of a pic in a "web-friendly" format loses a lot of quality. We all tend to swing our arms as we walk, and Tammy's hand may simply be behind her body at the moment the photo was snapped.I have, however, begun to wonder if in fact they are wearing sandals to an IC, as they know (due to the tree mail) that it is a mental challenge as opposed to a physical one. Alternatively, it may be a very warm day (no shirt for the General, tank tops or swim suits on the females, etc) and those items being carried (Kathy, Zoe) hold the sneakers "in case" it is a physical one. I believe Zoe & Neleh are together because there is a strong alliance there (review the last couple of TCs), not because they are reviewing their RC performance.
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04-24-02, 07:20 AM (EST)
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37. "RE: Robert wims Immunity?" |
MB let us know about the Immunity Transference rule for a reason. It has to come into play at some point, and this seems like a good possibility.I must disagree with this. Why do we assume that MB *has* to follow through on every single thing he shows us? Solely by the introduction of this rule, there is a new wrinkle to think about... but it doesn't have to actually happen to have an impact on the game. Both Kathy and Tammy have looked uncomfortable being asked by JP if they want to give up the necklace. Tammy was groping for a reason to keep it but not sound selfish in keeping it. As many have stated on other thresds, I cannot conceive of a situation where immunity would be transferred. *IF* the past-vote rule were still in effect (i.e. if they counted), then I could see it: Say in S-2 Tina had won the pole challenge instead of Keith. In the 5-5 split, knowing Keith has votes and she doesn't, Tina could transfer the necklace to Keith, forcing Kucha to select her (a move that would fail) or someone else. But prior votes don't count this time around, so why bother with the transfer? I can only conceive of a situation like Paschal winning it and giving it to Neleh to keep her in the game one week longer. But would Robert do this for Tammy? But back to the main point: MB has already had the desired effect with the rule introduction... it might happen, but I don't think MB would've hidden it even if it never happens. *** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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kdzgon 60 desperate attention whore postings
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04-24-02, 10:08 AM (EST)
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39. "RE: Robert wims Immunity?" |
HAH. I thought I'd never see the ignorant play that we saw by Colby (and MB allowed, despite his alleged "rules"...), so I'd say there is a possibility that we could very well see someone transfer immunity, no matter how implausible it may seem to us.
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weltek 16936 desperate attention whore postings
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04-24-02, 11:47 AM (EST)
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40. "Buffs" |
Didn't see anyone else mentiont that this couldn't be a pic walking back to camp from the waterfall because they are wearing their buffs. There are times I'm sure the Survivors wear Sandals back from challenges. Maybe it rained out the night before and they have to walk through mud and such. Many possiblilities.
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42. "The necklace, The sandals and the Golden Tranfer Rule" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-24-02 AT 06:22 PM (EST)After reading all sorts of views on the pic of Tammy, the sandals and the necklace, I feel: 1) This is post-IC, walking back, she won it. The biggest reason that people don't want to believe it is because it exists, meaning MB gave it to us. But I'm starting to believe that his deception is no match for our imaginations. The validity and number of factors that support a post IC pic outweigh the validity and number of factors that don't support it. 2) I agree with Weltek on the sandals, and others that have stated or shown that sandals are worn post challenge. Remember the great spoiler pic from Survivor 2 of Mike carrying the immunity idol while crossing a river with his tribe? Walkin to-and-from challenges can be detrimental to the all-important challenge sneakers - where are the sneakers then? Who knows? They were not carrying them in that S2 spoiler pic either (and I doubt they had them on in the river). 3) I agree with Survivdawg on Immunity Transfer. It does not have to happen to have any effect. It effects them and it effects us when everyone just dwells on the possibility of a transfer. It would be more interesting if it does happen, but knowledge of the possibility does not necessitate the action. oops, edited to add #4: 4) I don't think that there would be a premature transfer. I'd suspect that you can hand it over whenever you want, but it would be foolish for you. You'd want to do it at TC so that way no retaliatory plan could be devised by the other voters - they may end up splitting their votes in reaction. Let them know ahead of time, and they'll have your demise easily planned. Although I think they all do go into TC now with a pre-discussed back-up vote, at least John was shown discussing this. Anyway, I got 2 coconuts on never seeing a transfer unless Paps takes a bullet for Neleh, for the same reason Rodger took the early bullet for Liz. BI
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