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"Was Vee's Rob vote just going with the flow or just stupidity?"
bergdogg 380 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 00:56 AM (EST)
 
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"Was Vee's Rob vote just going with the flow or just stupidity?" |
After last nights episode, we can now safely say that either Vee decided not to make a move in E7, or she is just stupid enough to stick with John for a garanteed 5th (or 6th if someone pulls out immunity).IMO, Vee is just a gutless coward going with the flow and is staying away from the drama of turning on John. Now I know that sounds stupid to some people on this board, but was Amber smart when she stuck with C/K/T? NO!! But she did. Why? Well, it is because she had no knowledge of how the game works. Does Vee? maybe. She is screwed if she goes with John, but she is also screwed if she goes with Pappy and SweetPea. So, she could go with the sure thing, or she could go with a not so sure thing. I pretty much base this opinion on the fact that Vee could side with Sean/Kathy/Neleh/Pappy to vote out one of John/Tammy/General/Zoe, but just like in previous Survivors, we give these people too much credit. We think that they could do the "SMART THING" and do what we say, but they always prove how stupid the game can be played and stick with the morons way of playing. Of course, I could be wrong. It's just this time, I think I am right on.
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dangerkitty 1913 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 01:18 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: Was Vee's Rob vote just going with the flow or just stupidity?" |
That could be, dabo - and even if she is, she may find herself in a swing vote position next ep and be forced to make a decision. Sean voted John, Kathy voted Zoe AND previews indicate she doesn't trust her, Neleh is upset. We are being pointed to the alliance of K/S/P/N as,if nothing else, a group with common "enemies". Vee voting Rob - she witnessed the "drama" between John and Rob, and I think she made a choice based on that. Also, Rob admitted lying in TC. Almost all we have seen of Vee is praying. She may have decided based on her "moral" judgement of who was the worst sinner. (seriously!) Anyway, if the two groups of four break up the way it is being suggested, Vee is the swing vote. She shares the religious angle with Neleh and Paschal. Given what we have been shown of her, that may be enough to make her decision.
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JeffGator 1401 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 01:23 AM (EST)
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3. "I think it was pretty smart" |
Hey I think Vee's decision to join the John/Tammy/Zoe/Robert alliance was pretty smart. Yeah, she'll probably be the first one to go when it gets down to the five of them, but you've got to remember, that the longer you stay on the show, the more money you receive from MB. Fifth place may not get a million, but from what I've heard, the money ain't bad. It's not like she had much of a chance if she stuck with Rob and Sean anyway. And there's a good chance with all the time left in the game she could convince them to vote John or someone else off before she goes. Who knows, she could wind up winning this game.
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drawde236 317 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 01:28 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: Was Vee's Rob vote just going with the flow or just stupidity?" |
I wouldn't write off Vee just yet. Either Vee is a really boring person and is edited out due to her "drama-free" mode, or there is some agenda still not shown. I think this vote was just a hint of what is to come. I have a feeling (and it could just be gas) that the true Rotu 4 is Tammy, Voodoo Bob, Vee and Zoe.
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alleyb 98 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 02:59 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: Was Vee's Rob vote just going with the flow or just stupidity?" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-12-02 AT 04:12 AM (EST)I disagree with you "gutless coward" assessment. Part of being shrewd in the game is waiting for the right time to make a move. This clearly was not the right time for Vee to go against the prevailing tribal sentiments. If she didn't vote along with the Rotus, she'd be seen as still hanging onto her loyalty to Maraamu and would definately be out of the game earlier. By going with the flow, she can continue to ingratiate herself with the people in power, and with all the "drama" still going on between other people in the game, it looks like she might get an opportunity to take advantage of the cracks in Rotu later in the game. Bottom line: you have to pick your battles, and Vee realized that this was not the time--yet. Also--I dispute your claim that Neleh & Pascal were available to be pulled into a counter-alliance just yet. They know there is strife, but at present it doesn't seem to threaten their positions in the game (to their eyes). Once Neleh & Pascal are able to realize their own positions in the tribe post-merge, they'll be more approachable about a counter-alliance. It's all in the timing--wait until people realize they are vulnerable, then make your move.
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specie 52 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 08:55 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: Was Vee's Rob vote just going with the flow or just stupidity?" |
What a dud! There was Rob, arguing for his life, and she just acts disgusted, like she would never dirty her hands being involved in any kind of strategy. As it looks now, we're back to the same old formula - the alliance of 4, plus a likeable other tribe member strung along for 5th place. If that's what Vee is happy with, fine, just don't diss others who are trying to create their own outcomes. I don't see the new twist of being able to give your immunity to someone as having any impact in this scenario at all.
I loved the night with Rob & Kathy. Too bad Rob didn't go farther than just call people on their lying and actually try to get together a coalition to oust John.Interesting:
- Kathy told John all that Rob told her
- Paschal and Nelah seemingly lovey-dovey with old Rotu - what happened to their disbelief at the Gabe ouster?
- Kathy votes for Zoe! What was that about?
- Sean bonding with John over their minority status
I love Kathy, but think that she's the next to go. Even if she got Paschal and Nelah and Sean to get together, they're still one vote shy of having any clout. --Specie
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esquire 1095 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 10:02 AM (EST)
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10. "RE: Was Vee's Rob vote just going with the flow or just stupidity?" |
ALthough I'm no fan o Vee, don't rule her out, yet. Considering her situation (virtually all of her original tribemates are gone), she is positioning herself as best as can be expected under the circumstances. If she makes it to the final 5, things can happen that help her along. NO one and I mean no one would have bet that MamaKim would be a professional athlete and Lex in the final immunity challenges to get to th efinalk round, and yet it happened. No one would have bet on Will from Big Brother on winning, and yet as long as he was still in the game, human dynamics can work in all types of ways. I',m not sure its a bad strategy for Vee to try and get to the final 5 and hope for things to break her way after that.
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Wacko Jacko 2438 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 12:18 PM (EST)
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17. "Enough about the report weigh loss theory" |
Everyone has said these Survivors have eaten more than Survivor's in th past. I heard Lex and Mike Skupin get jealous that they have all the fruit they want and buckets of Crab. IT'S NOT AN ISSUE!
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Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 11:43 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: Dabo's right" |
>The big question mark is what will the "Big 4" do
>with Neleh and Paschal? How long would you want
>to let a solid and unpredictable voting block hang around
>if you were in the Rotu 4? Not to mention extremely likeable folks who could do well in a final 2 vote... The challenge is to vote them off in a way that doesn't foster any ill will, a la Lis and Rodger's demise in S2. I could see the Rotu 3 (I'm sorry, like others have mentioned on this board, I see John as an outsider) carrying them to the final 5 and using this solid voting block to help eliminate Sean, John, Kathy, and Vee. Wild thought to throw out here...Neleh has been shown in close embraces with both Zoe and Robert. Maybe the original Rotu alliance was Zoe, Robert, Neleh, and Paschal (plus Gabe). Zoe and Robert could be playing both sides, like Colby did in S2, and the true alliance is still being hidden from us at this point.   S.O.B.
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Wacko Jacko 2438 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 12:01 PM (EST)
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15. "She is actually playing it smart." |
But I think it's more her wanting to stay in the game as long as she can. Morally I also think that she doesn't agree with the approach Rob and Sean took and she had enough and sided with John.Now why is she smart? Well, it's like this. John gave Rob, Sean and her there word that Kathy, Neleh and Paschal would go before her. Yes, he promised Rob and Sean the same thing but John said that was before Rob decided to stir things up. Ok, now let's say John gets paranoid like Lex did with Kelly. he decides that he can't trust Zoe. She is getting to close to Kathy. She is a waffler and can't be trusted like Gabe. John will look for someone to replace her in his group of 4 and that person would likely be Vee. Remember Kim J from Survivor 3. She made it to the final four won immunity twice and it was her and Ethan in the finals. She had a chance. I also think Vee is playing the game better than Kim J and has made no enemies. If she is playing John or someone else from old Rotu that may not be so. It's only original Rotu and Sean/Vee from Maramuu in the jury. Sean will vote for Vee and what about Kathy, Paschal or Neleh? And Zoe if John turns on her may go with Vee too. I know this is alot but Vee stood no chance staying with Rob and Sean. I don't care what anyone says - Paschal and Neleh would never side with Sean and Vee over their old tribe. Vee was a goner unless she did what she did.
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MeToo 158 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 12:23 PM (EST)
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18. "Disagree" |
By this vote, Vee has already demonstrated her lack of loyalty and that she IS a traitor. Gabe was voted out on the "perception" that he was not trustworthy.
> I also think Vee
>is playing the game better
>than Kim J and has
>made no enemies.
By switching sides, she has made an enemy of Sean (at the bare minimum). >I know this is alot but
>Vee stood no chance staying
>with Rob and Sean.
>I don't care what anyone
>says - Paschal and Neleh
>would never side with Sean
>and Vee over their old
>tribe. Vee was a
>goner unless she did what
>she did.
Vee had nothing to lose by voting WITH Rob and Sean - it would be expected. It is still possible to overthrow the Rotu-4 with combined forces. Paschal and Neleh can't be so utterly naive that after 3 more days, they aren't able to figure out where they stand. Kathy is already on the fence. Rob tried to show them the way - Pagong John and his crew and then play 2 teams of 3. By switching sides, Vee accepts a best possible 5th place finish, barring any immunity she may win but we haven't seen any particular strength of hers to put her at any advantage. Even if she tries to switch back, she will still be 5th based on her demonstrated lack of loyalty and untrustworthiness.
Nope, Vee pulled a Brandon, and look where that got him.
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Wacko Jacko 2438 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 02:46 PM (EST)
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27. "You have the right to disagree, but" |
Let's say Vee is the 5th person of the alliance.There is a very probable chance that one of the top 4 get's ousted because they are not trusted. They said it last night no one trusts no one. If Zoe get's too close with Kathy, Zoe may be that person and then Vee could be in the final 4. Remember Kim J slipping to the finals once she made it to the final 4. She was the 4th person of the 4 person alliance. I am just saying Vee stood a better chance of making it to the final 4 this way than by aligning herself with Rob and Sean. I don't believe Neleh or Paschal would form an alliance with Rob and Sean. And I think Vee felt the same way. Vee played it very smart in my view.
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MeToo 158 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 03:36 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: Disagree" |
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>Jiffy never read the last vote.
> For all they know
>it could have been Vee's
>for John. He may
>suspect her, but unless she
>tells, I don't see how
>Sean will KNOW Vee has
>turned.
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You may be right about this and it may be Vee's last hope. But there was an aweful lot of evidence other than the vote that Vee had switched (i.e. the kissing etc.), as well as Sean and Rob's comments the previous week about Vee keeping her distance and
"sucking up" to the others. I think there is a good chance that everybody, including Sean, knows who Vee is siding with.
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JohnMc 2679 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 02:22 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: Was Vee's Rob vote just going with the flow or just stupidity?" |
If Vee is the swing vote with 2 groups of 4, then she truly does cast the deciding vote on who makes final 5. The other 4 can effectively be Pagonged. I'm more inclined to believe, though, that Sean is the next to go. He has no alliance anymore. The other 8 may vote him off 8-1. Vee's position will then be determined on how well she has bonded with any of the remaining Rotu. If she has bonded, then she'll be treated like an original lovetribe Rotu. If not, she's next after Sean, though there is a possibility that other Rotu may be voted out before her, ala Jerri/Amber. To win the game, though, you also have to court jury votes. Vee will lose Sean's vote if she doesn't side with him. (Of course, if, by some extreme freak of nature, they both end up in F2, then his vote doesn't count anyway.)
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Wacko Jacko 2438 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 02:41 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: Was Vee's Rob vote just going with the flow or just stupidity?" |
Vee doesn't necessarily lose Sean's vote. I think they aligned in the first place becuase of race and I think that bound is still there.
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MeToo 158 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 02:46 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Was Vee's Rob vote just going with the flow or just stupidity?" |
If she has
>bonded, then she'll be treated
>like an original lovetribe Rotu.
> If not, she's next
>after Sean, though there is
>a possibility that other Rotu
>may be voted out before
>her, ala Jerri/Amber.
>With or without Vee, eventually, the original lovetribe Rotu WILL have to vote on itself. Who will that be - lovable Neleh, stoic Pascall, or 2-timing, adopted child Vee? I will grant you that Kathy is/was unstable enough to bring her own vote first, but somehow I doubt it. Jerri was brutal to have around and they only kept her as long as they needed to. As a result, Colby lost her vote in the jury since she thougth he was part of an alliance with her. Amber is/was insignificant and never played anyway.
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