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"Tammy and an alliance of 5?!"
VanQ 87 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 00:54 AM (EST)
 
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"Tammy and an alliance of 5?!" |
I just watched one of the vidcaps of episode 7 over at CBS.com. It is Tammy talking about her strategy, "Tammy on playing the game". In it she says the following...
"...I feel like I have formed, you know, bonds or alliances or whatever you want to call them, with the right people. Those 5 people will take me into the final 5...."
YIKES! Did we see anyone agree to joining Tammy John Robert Zoe?? I think by the kisses and her vote, it must be Vee going for the ride with them! Cool! But too bad for P/N/K and Sean.
Sean will be next!
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04-12-02, 01:15 AM (EST)
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1. "Zoe and John. Neleh and John. Vee and John. Tammy and Vee." |
LAST EDITED ON 04-12-02 AT 01:17 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 04-12-02 AT 01:16 AM (EST) Good Observation VanQ!
Who could this 5th person be?
It can't be Neleh or pascal.. because they come as a packet and that would make an alliance of 6. Sean is HIGHLY unlikely. Kathy voted for Zoe proving she is not part of the alliance Therefore Vee is the only person who fits the candidacy for the 5th member of the Rotu 4. Other Observations for Episode 7:
1) John was snuggling up to Zoe at night. Anyone see that? Tammy was also snuggling up to Rob. Anywayz.. this just seems to indicate that Zoe and John might be closer than we all think. A lot of people have speculated that Zoe is the outsider of the alliance.. but Zoe and John seem tight.
2) John and Vee. That kiss between John and Vee.. they have a bond.. don't know how tight it is though.
3) Tammy and Vee.. a lot of people have speculated that they have bonded and that Vee has joined the Rotu 4. This episode surely points favorably towards that theory.
5) Once again we see Neleh and John being tight. Besides the previous hair tie-ing seen, the hugs and stuff.. today we saw Neleh very enthusiastic about Rob losing the immunity.. she seemed actually a little bit too enthusiastic.. anywayz.. in the next scene we see Neleh cheering for John. She was by far the most vocal person cheering for John to win immunity. hmm.. she wasn't cheering for Kathy though? Other people were cheering for John too. I think John and Neleh are closer than we think.
6) Zoe and Kathy- Self explanatory.. headed for destruction... What Seems Strange:
The previews on the cbs website saying that John seems to want Sean and Vee to be the next two to go. Understandably.. he may have thought that all three of them voted for him during TC.
If John wants Vee gone next episode.. then how on earth can Vee be part of this 5 person alliance Tammy's talking about?
Unless.. the 5th person isn't Vee at all...
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04-13-02, 05:15 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: Zoe and John. Neleh and John. Vee and John. Tammy and Vee." |
Pascal or whatever his name is, Kathy and Nelah should have sided with Rob and Sean when they had the chance. Too late now, Vee is with John, it'd be 5-4.
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04-12-02, 02:02 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: Tammy and an alliance of 5?!" |
I may be jumping ahead here, but I have been thinking about the true alliance of 5 and episodes 8 (Jury's Out--the search for honesty) and episode 9 (Peas in a Pod). Neleh is looking for honesty in a game that is notorious for deception. I guess you can say that the three most "honest" people in the game (besides Neleh and Paschal) are Tammy, Robert, and Vee. With their devout religion backgrounds, Vee and Neleh are definately the peas in the pods, so could Tammy's alliance of 5 be Robert, Vee, Neleh, Paschal and herself? John's airtime has peaked and Zoe is getting way too much airtime to go much further. Any thoughts on this possibility?
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MikeD 344 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 12:43 PM (EST)
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16. "DIDNT ROBERT LIE TOO???" |
Didnt he lie and say he wasnt part of any alliance???? Did I miss something?
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VanQ 87 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 02:43 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: Tammy and an alliance of 5?!" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-12-02 AT 02:46 AM (EST)hmm... thanks AllyB, didnt think of it that way. But why would she say they would take her into the final 5? It would be the final 6, if it were 5 people plus herself. Still, this confession tells us more than we could have pulled from the show, in my mind. I thought the next episode would be about whether the non-rotu 4 (P,N,K,S,V) would align against the Rotu4, but this tells me that there has already been an agreement reached, and a majority is now with the Rotu 5 (or 6).
edited, cuz I have such poor grammar!
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04-12-02, 11:14 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: Tammy and an alliance of 5?!" |
I agree with the "other 5" people just being the old Rotu tribe members minus Kathy. Unless immunity can save S/K/V I think they are the next 3 to go (in that order). I really hope this isn't another case of everyone getting Pagonged...B-O-R-I-N-G!!!!
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04-12-02, 12:41 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Tammy and an alliance of 5?!" |
Robert said immediately after that he was only true to himself. So the "one person" was himself, not anyone else.
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04-12-02, 01:16 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: The General" |
>Robert summed it up by saying
>"I'm the General and that's
>that."
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>Who could argue with that logic?
>Even Rob backed down when
>Robert pulled rank on him. The General really handled that well, but he was lying (just like Zoe). I feel that Zoe is killing herself by not putting Rob in his place when he started his inquisitions. She did say "That's none of your business", but she should have walked away at that point and said, "Conversation over." 
Billions and Billions Cloned
R.I.P. (Recreating In Paradise):
Peter Harkey: Alien from Uranus getting into the best shape of his life.
Patricia Jackson: Nacho Mama chillin' at the Loser Buffet.
Hunter Ellis: The Knuckleheads have spoken sending the Eagle to go scuba diving.
Sarah Jones: Miss No-nos begins her tropical vacation at last.
Gabriel Cade: The teddy bear hugger looks for a new commune where they don't play games.
Gina Crews: Happy trails to our nature guide as she and Hunter meet at the Lover's Lodge. Favorite buffet item: Watermelon
Rob Mariano: The Robfodder never caught a chicken and he ain't no friend of mine.
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04-12-02, 02:04 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Tammy and an alliance of 5?!" |
Ultimately, Robert is true to himself. However, I don't think that is any indication of where his alliance is. He basically said that to tell Rob to shut the &%$# up.This is SO difficult to tell where the alliances are. I would have thought that we had 3 distinct groups: Old Mu, New Mu, and remaining Rotu. However, Kathy is the outsider from New Mu and is NOT working w/Paschal and Neleh (though Paschal is totally upfront and honest with her. I think he's the nice Rudy of this installment: the one who you can rely on to be loyal. Good for Neleh for picking up on that.) Rob is gone from Old Mu, and Vee is tying herself to the Rotu tribemates. She is staying away from "drama" and protecting herself, and has maintained her dignity and integrity in doing so. Good girl, Vee! That leaves Sean in Old Mu, and he's clearly the next to go short of winning immunity. (And I don't see ANYONE passing him the immunity necklace!) End game note: Even if Sean goes, you still have to worry about his vote. John won't get his jury vote if he makes F2, but anyone else at this point would earn his vote. Back to the topic - who is Tammy in alliance with? Paschal and Neleh are tight - given. Kathy isn't really tight w/anyone (though if she hadn't voted for Zoe, she'd have at worst stayed closer to the OR alliance). And as it affects the next boot, Sean isn't part of an alliance anymore, and he is next to go.
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VanQ 87 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-02, 07:08 PM (EST)
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26. "alliance 5 or 6... which does she mean." |
I have listened to the video again and again. And I think I am swaying back to believe that there are only 5 people in the alliance. The emphasis she makes is on being in the final 5, and I think she includes herself in "those 5 people". She would have had to have said Final 6 if there were 6 of them. So I am believing that Vee is most likely to be with the Rotu 4.Now as I call them the Rotu 4+1.It is also making more sense that the Rotu 4 connected and pledged with Vee, as Sean and Rob started to show the "drama" that they were capable of performing. Vee seeing her chance to connect with the other 4 took that and I believe will be in the final 5 with them. She voted with John et al, in the last Rotu expulsion, so the pact could have been made then, and now Tammy is feeling confident after 9 days with her, that she is tight. One thing is for sure, EVERYONE is lieing. And that was brought about by Rob's toxic game play. Definitely stirred things up!
Rob just picked on Zoe, because he saw her as an easy target to prey upon. He only confronted the General as a last ditch effort, to try and reveal more lies, to put chinks in the Rotu 4 armour.
One thing that keeps me wondering, is why we havent seen any confessionals from Zoe. She must have had something to say about Rob's confrontations. Is she sorry for lieing, or standing her ground that it was right thing to do.
Furthermore, now Vee has been pulled back from the limelight, and that is to keep us guessing who the Rotu 4 have aligned to keep them in the majority for votes.
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