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41. "RE: Canadian Idol - Strid333 Listen to the Music!" |
Jenny can Sing - Just Listen!
All people aren't experts in the Music field, and don't really care to be, but they know what they like. Many of us like Jenny, and find her very entertaining. That is why she is
still there. Wouldn't be at all surprised if she wins it. There are a lot of good singers that I don't care to see. Do whatever works for you, but STOP and LISTEN. She is good.
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42. "RE: Canadian Idol - Strid333 Listen to the Music!" |
I have listened. (In fact I have just listened - by either turning away or shutting my eyes.) Of course, if I heard Jenny in real life, my opinion could change. I still don't like her voice. Her voice's tone isn't very sweet, nor is it smoky (which I find is an attribute of the best jazz singers). I actually find that her voice has a hint of nasal (which is a big part of why I hate country music). I maintain that if she were to drop her shoulders, she would sound hundreds of times better. Her shoulders cause tension in her upper body and as a result affects her voice. Relaxing the shoulders isn't even something I would consider being a music expert. It is the very first thing told during the first voice lesson, with posture being second and is considered very basic. Just as a athlete keeps the body relaxed while playing, singers should, too. It is when people get tight, that injury happens. All of the other Canadian Idol contestants are relaxed in their shoulders and I find that they sound more natural. Alas, if Jenny keeps singing the way that she does, she could end up with a shortened career because she could be causing permanent damage. Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I don't like her and do not consider her the greatest singer the way that the judges seem to. It is my opinion to not like her, just as it is yours to like her. Happy voting. 
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45. "RE: Canadian Idol - Strid333 Listen to the Music!" |
My God! Music Critic? Doctor? What other credentials do you have? Maybe you need to 'Drop Your Shoulders', sit back and relax and you might even enjoy the show.Can't even begin to imagine what you might say about Billy, or the others. At this stage of the game, being tense or nervous is pretty natural. They may not be Superstars, but everyone has to start somewhere. You either like it or you don't, and without even thinking about
why that's how most people vote. Which is not necessarily
always the best or most talented. The voting system is a Joke anyways. As long as they keep allowing people to vote numerous times it will never be fair. That's why some of the better ones have already lost out. It will be interesting to see who finally wins out though.
Ryan's talent, Jenny's voice, Audrey's charm, Gary's style
or, knowing how Canadians like to go against the grain, there
is a very good possibility that they may pick Billy right out
of left field. It's only entertainment, so enjoy!
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7. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
Well, we only have one wildcard spot left and our top ten is selected. It seems that we have a good group (an interesting one that can make good tv) though out of the group, there are a few that I want out first and second already. And for the person who wins the wildcard, they should get big kudos. The odds are even more against them this time than in a regular show.
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8. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
Wow!Because we voted so incredibly closely in the wild card, they let 2 people into the wild card instead of just one. I have to admit, I was like Sass and had 4 people that I thought were really good on the wild card show. Although, I did narrow it down to one barely (he was in the top 4 but didn't get though - c'est la vie). Now the game gets really good. I hope they have full bands/orchestras now. (Not to say that I don't like piano accomp. I just think it is time for the change). I.HEART.ZACK
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11. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
Yes but we need to have our own forum - is this possible?
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12. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
Well, I posted a question on the help forum to see if Canadian Idol can get more of a spotlight. I am waiting for a reply. Hopefully, we can get something.
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13. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
I like Canadian Idol WAY better than American Idol. First off, the judges, for the most part, have constructive, intelligent things to say, unlike American Idol, where it's all just stupid comments from all 3 judges (Randy: "You DAWGGIN' DAWG!" Paula: "*insert meaningless sugar-coated comments here*" Simon: "You're fat. Lose weight. You also suck.") The contestants are also chosen more fairly, not like AI, where the stupid judges choose whoever they think has the best booty (for the wild cards). I still stand firmly on my belief that American Idol 2 was rigged so Ruben could win over Clay (seeing as Clay's sold about double what Ruben sold)!
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15. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
Just taking a poll here to see who some of you are cheering for on Canadian Idol. My fave is Mikey - the kid's adorable!
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27. "RE: It's population distribution..." |
It does not surprise me if we get Ont and Que for the finals. The fact is that we do have a smaller population everywhere else. Of most Canadian stars, they are from Ont and Que and I'll throw in BC. Shania and Celine are examples. Of course there are exceptions too (Guess Who and Joni Mitchel). The national news coverage also tends to focus on Ont and Que.I have the feeling that there are more open phone lines for the Ont and Que timezones than for the other provinces. I know that in SK, when I vote, I usually have to wait approx 1/2 hr to get on. The fact is too, that the concerts/shows are always being filmed in TO. If I just came from the live audience, I would be super-psyched and vote like crazy. In the top 30, we only had 1 person from SK. But that was partially because tryouts were in AB and MB. The fact that Gary Beals wasn't even in the bottom three (while being out of tune for the ENTIRE song) says something.
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28. "RE: It's population distribution..." |
Doesn't it just... but isn't Gary in the Nova Scotia area? - I really liked him prior to that disastrous performance but like you - I'll never vote for him again. I would rather vote for someone who is not putting in a great performance that particular night. I like Tyler Hamilton who lives in my previous home of Edmonton but he was continually dumped on by the judges... Has anyone noticed that if you get dumped on by the judges that you don't seem to have a chance? It makes me wonder how Gary survived!
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30. "RE: It's population distribution..." |
I think Gary and Jenny will make it far into the top because they are from the Maritimes. Wasn't it someone from the Maritimes who won Popstars, even though she sucked? I also think Audrey will make it far because she has the whole province of Quebec behind her.
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48. "Well, so much for that theory..." |
It's very hard to figure out what the voters are trying to say with their picks each week.
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29. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
I was actually quite pissed off at the results show. This was the one time I didn't vote because I was out of town for a week and when I got back, I found out my Mikey had been eliminated!!!! Not only that but Gary, who completely sucked, was still around and not in the bottom 3! The reason he and Jenny are constantly not in the bottom 3 is because they're from the Maritimes and people out east tend to support each other. Same with Audrey. She has the support of all of Quebec.
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31. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
Agree with you Lumster - and I bet the same thing happens this time - as far as I was concerned Audrey was probably the worst performance on the Summertime hits... what do you want to bet she doesn't even take the walk? Mikey should have still been here! I was at least happy to see that Gary DID actually improve but he SHOULD have gone to the bottom 3 if not been outright voted out last week. I was born in the maritimes but definately do not support Jenny even though I DID like her performance this week. I much preferred Toya's and Ryans. I'll probably still vote for Billy because if I don't he's going to be ousted and I'd like to see what he can do with an Elton John tune.
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33. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
I had a different take on it this week. I was amazed with the performances of both Toya and Ryan and I actually LIKED Jenny this week! Go figure! I have voted for Billy in the past but not this week. He wasn't good enough although I feel he could be if he would just control his voice with the right songs. I'd like to see him work with Elton John's music maybe. Like Strid, I'll NEVER vote for Gary again although he DID improve lots...... The way I see it..... based on this weeks performances only I would have votes as follows: 1. Toya
2. Ryan
3. Jenny (I know it's crazy but 1969 suits her voice I guess)
4. Gary (His voice improved THAT much - but never another vote)
5. Audrey
6. Billy However, based on last week's performance I want Gary OUT. Will it happen? Not likely. I predict Billy will go this week. Because of her fan base, Audrey may not even do the walk although she SHOULD. I'm starting to get a favourite in my mind for Ryan Malcolm as the new Canadian Idol. I just love his SPUNK. I find it interesting that my TWO favourites are both the wildcards!
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39. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
I think Jenny has her place singing jazz/blues along the likes of Diana Krall but she is no pop idol. Audrey doesn't have a great voice. She is still in the game because she has the province of Quebec behind her. For a country that has spawned so many great female singers, I am surprised to see such a poor representation here on Canadian Idol.
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40. "RE: Canadian Idol - Lumster -What Show Were You Watching??" |
Judge, don't Compare.
I viewed it very differently:
1) Gary - Amazing, his best
2) Jenny - Excellent, her best
3) Ryan - Wow, always entertaining
4) Toya - Powerful, blows you away
5) Audrey - Good, sweet & charming
6) Billy - Loud, must have to grow on you.
They do seem to be eliminating some of the better ones, like
Karen, Tyler & now Toya. They have all had their UPS & DOWNS,
but I think Jenny & Ryan have been the most consistent, and either one could take it. Don't rule Audrey out though, she's
been No. l before, and could come through again.
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46. "RE: Canadian Idol " |
All I meant by what were you watching - was that I viewed your picks in a different order. I never gave anyone any negative remarks. On the other hand, the comments on your picks were full of negative remarks and insults, and again when rehashing past performances, instead of rating the week at hand. How you think my comments were insulting is beyond me.
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50. "RE: Canadian Idol " |
Fred, we were critiquing performances; NOT each others comments. You on the other hand have taken the opportunity to be harsh with several of us now. I merely asked you nicely to stop.
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52. "Further comment" |
Oops. My fault. fred, when I said this was a bashing-permitted forum above, I meant that it was OK to bash the contestants, not other posters. Please see the RTVW Complete Guidelines. Thanks.
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36. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
I must admit that Canadians are anything but predictable and that's a very good thing. As much as I didn't think Toya should've have been going home (I felt Audrey should've walked instead), I can kind of see why Canada may have felt that way. If this was the USA, I can see her in the top 3 but this is not the USA. When I saw Gary and Toya in the bottom 3, I must admit I was a little upset. There's not a huge black population here so minorities tend to get the short end of the stick.
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37. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
Now that Mikey is gone, I'm rooting for Billy too (being a Calgarian myself) and I like his rock roots. I was pleasantly surprised by Jenny as well, although it doesn't make me want to jump up and vote for her anytime soon. I just watched the group perfromance of "Dancin' in the Streets" and I must say, these folks are not star quality. They danced awkwardly, sung the wrong words, and had no chemistry on stage (the way the American Idols did). In particular, Jenny and Audrey fumbled around quite awkwardly.
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59. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
Although no one would ever say it, you are probably right on some level. There are folks out there who are thinking maybe Toya doesn't fit the "star image" as perceived by many out there. While we all could agree the girl can sing, many of us don't really identify with her and hence, would not vote for her. Here in Canada, we all try so hard to be "nice". We would never admit to being racist while at the same time, we're the first to slam our American counterparts as being just that. While most of us think there's no racial barriers when it comes to hitting it big in the music industry, the sad reality is there is. That's why I identified so much with Mikey, whose aim was to break the Asian barrier. African Americans have faired much better, especially because of the population of the US but Canada has not fared as well because even as multi-cultural as we think we are, people are expected to be a certain way and it may be some time before an African Canadian or Asian Canadian makes it big in the arena of pop or rock music.
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LAST EDITED ON 08-22-03 AT 02:09 AM (EST)Agree with you that Jenny DOES have talent and may just be the front runner. I don't think she is a bad singer at all either but YES she is a horrid performer and for that reason I can't see her possibly winning the competition. That's why my money is going on one of the performers who are a little more charismatic; Ryan, Billy or Audrey. That is where I feel the real competition lies; you are right about Audrey, language is a barrier - but she also has to be careful to pick the right music. She can't depend on her star quality as was evidenced last week. Ryan .... seems to have the ability to entrance people with his performance itself; even though he may at times overperform - the audience loves it - and isn't that what it's really about? And Billy - something about him has made me like him from day one. I don't know what it is. I guess it's just has been a feeling. So maybe he has potential and maybe he doesn't but I want to see. It sounds like you are involved in the music world yourself Kokokaro - why didn't you audition? I certainly would have if I would have been young enough. It was always my dream when I was young to perform and I never had the chance to follow it other than singing with the Edmonton Children's Choir in Wales, and singing a bit in the Edmonton Opera Chorus as a young adult.... Real life prevailed and I was never able to pursue music in any form any further. Although I'm glad I lost the high soprano voice in favor of an Altor, it's true what they say; use it or lose it. Maybe it's true that Canadian Idol competitors are not as stellar as American idol competitors however I still am interested to see what comes out of this and to see if they can do better next year like American Idol did in the 2nd year. (I'm not saying that Clay and Reuban are better than Kelly but that the overall quality of contestants were better). Sometimes it takes a while to get things right and this IS Canada's first real shot at doing something like this.
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58. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
I partially wish I had tried out. I didn't because first of all 1.) I don't know if I could take the pressure of performing for millions of people, not to mention having the details of my life scrutenized. 2.) I didn't think too much of the show. I thought it'd be more along the lines of the really bad Popstars. I used to joke with a friend that "the winner of AI gets a million dollars, the winner of CI gets a toaster." 3.) I've had a pretty busy summer and it wouldn't have fit in at all had I made it anywhere. 4.) I actually thought it would be much harder to get onto the show than it seems to be. I was thinking AI style quality and how I wouldn't compete with the real powerhouses to make it to the end. And of course, I'm still holding out for a Canadian Survivor franchise ;) Another point for not trying out is the way the voting is going; we've been getting insane results. Still, I might try for the next one. I'll see how life is going at that point.  
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66. "RE: I wonder what type of Talent CI was looking for" |
There's a number of reasons why an age restriction was put in place. The one that comes to mind the most is simple discrimination. Who wants to see some 40-year olds when attractive teens and early twenty-somethings will draw in the ratings. Look at the music industry and we'll see the Britneys, Christinas, Beyonces, Justins and other "teen" stars. That's what these Idol shows are after - the next teenybop sensation. Some may argue that older, more seasoned singers are more in a professional league, hence, it would be unfair to pit the pros against the amateurs.
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61. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
In my opinion, having Jenny as Canadian Idol is like having Jean Chretien as our prime minister. It's possible but she won't represent us well. She needs to take a few lessons in stage movement and loosen up a bit. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure she can sing given the right material (maybe jazz or blues) but she's not a good performer. Watching her struggle on stage is painful. She seems very rigid in the group performances. It's seems very forced, like she not comfortable with the dances and I can't forgive her for botching up a simple like in their group performance of "Dancin' in the Streets".
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60. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
Canadian Idol, just like American Idol, has not really as much to do with singing than it is like a popularity contest. It's just like high school, people vote for the person they like the most, not who sings the best. I am pretty satified with Canadian Idol. However, I am not going to watch American Idol anymore. I have a problem with producers rigging the votes to ensure their favorite wins.
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67. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
My take on today's show is kind of different from all the other weeks. I think this was my favorite performance, to date, of Jenny (but there still were parts that I did not like and she still will not receive a vote from me). I found Gary did go out of tune a couple of times (though nowhere near as bad as a couple of weeks back). I thought last week would probably be the last time I vote for Audrey but I'm doing it again this week (the judges were right - she went back to her safety zone and that what made me like her in the beginning). And of course Elton John suits Billy's and Ryan's voices very nicely and they both get votes from me today.
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68. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
Here's my take on the performances tonight:Audrey - I found she was a little quiet and reserved. I would've liked to see a little more power and effort in her performance. She played it safe in her comfort zone and compared to the others, failed to impress. Ryan - I think of him as like the Canadian version of Clay. He has a good voice, good stage presence, and star quality. Unlike Clay though, I don't get a real strong sense of personality from him. I'd like to see him show his true colors. Jenny - I was quite impressed by her growth. She looks better and better every week, much like Kimberley Locke in American Idol. Only she could've gotten away with singing "Rocket Man" the way she did. Gary - He did his song well but I'm not a fan of his voice. He has this nasal quality to his voice that is somewhat grating. Billy - I would say it was my favorite performance of the night and as a result, will be getting my vote tonight.
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69. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
I also had a different take on this show from other weeks... as I'm sure many felt (including Zack) I thought the performance of the night was Billy Klippert's. I was really looking forward to listening to him. I wasn't quite as impressed by Ryan's performance although did think he sounded amazingly like Elton during the song. There's something about it that bothered me and I can't put my finger on it. Gary seemed to do ok as well although I thought his voice went out a couple of times. I wasn't as impressed as the judges were. Interestinly enough I thought Jenny did a decent job of Rocket man considering she did it in a Jazz style. However, of the 5 artists tonight, I would rank her 5th simply because the song is completely out of her style. I know she won't be voted out though. Audrey's stayed within her comfort zone tonight and did a better job. As Sass noted she needs to put more OOMPH into her performances. I have a feeling she may just be gone this week. I'm not one to split my votes and instead voted several times for Billy.
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71. "Was Anyone Else Surprised?" |
I was surprised that Ryan was in the bottom two but seeing as this is Canadian Idol, anything was possible. I am, however, glad he wasn't sent home. It was Jenny's time to go. At first her naivete seemed charming but now, it's just annoying. Everytime she was asked a question, she blanks out. She's made it a point time and time again she sings only for herself - she doesn't care about her fans or what anyone else thinks. If that's the case, then why should we care about her? She needs to take a few lessons in public speaking and stage performance before she could even think about representing Canada as our idol.
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74. "RE: Was Anyone Else Surprised?" |
LAST EDITED ON 08-27-03 AT 02:19 PM (EST)Well I did rank Jenny 5th in my own vote however only for reasons related to style. I was still somewhat surprised to see her go and had thought it more likely that Audrey would go - I guess her fan base stood behind her. At the same time, I agree with Lumster and the others felt it that it was her time to go. I do feel her performance HAS improved some - even tonights performance was better than last nights - she even LOOKED better the past couple of nights. As THE idol though.... NOT NOW - Probably not ever. Jazz and folk doesn't sell Platinum records the way that pop and rock does to young adults. And isn't that the real target population here? Sure it'll sell to older adults who like alternative music and to SOME younger people but it won't sell to the majority. Therefore someone like Jenny will never make an idol. Only a star in their own category of music. Last night when she was singing I was reminded of singers like Carole King. Perhaps in that category, Jenny can become a queen. As much as I was surprised to see Ryan in the bottom 2, in other ways I was not. I actually almost predicted it with my Upset vote in the Gaming thread... The only catch was he didn't go home. I'm glad for that as I feel he's been getting better as time goes on. However, I didn't feel he was as good as Billy this week and perhaps that was why he was in the bottom 2. People may have been scared Audrey was going home and ralleyed behind her in support. Gary obviously has his supporters who don't seem to be wavering. Therefore the votes had to go somewhere as it seems likely that many Canadians threw there votes behind Billy this week. There was also something that bothered me about Ryans performance although I wasn't able to figure out quite what. It seemed worse on Tuesday than Monday and perhaps it was because he was nervous about going home. Did anyone else notice the problem? It wasn't that I didn't like it - but something was off. I imagine next week will be very interesting again. Did I catch it right that Celine is actually going to be there? If so and if it's Celine music, then Audrey should be a clear favorite and the boys should be in for one hell of a challenge. I bet Gary has the easiest time and Billy and Ryan will tough it out. Waiting with baited breath for the Best of the Worst....
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76. "RE: Was Anyone Else Surprised?" |
Good Thanks for clearing that up for me; I was rather confused!
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77. "RE: Was Anyone Else Surprised?" |
Yes exactly u got it right... in the lyrics its suppose to be
"Father and son make love and guns" but it sounded like u said
"Fathers and sons make love in the john...". I founded really strange and it really bothered me.
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80. "RE: Canadian Idol - Sep - 02" |
It was intersting for yesterday to see the four perform 2 songs each. But here is my point view of each of the performers :Ryan : I personnaly think that both performance were pretty good but i preferred the second one. He has a nice powerful voice and very good presence on the stage. Althought i agree with some posters here that sometimes he puts to much into it. Audrey : Yesterday night she did 2 good performance but i still have to agree with Zack when he says that when she stay's in her confort zone she does it perfectly. When she performed the Whitney Houston song, i felt a lack of power in her voice. Does she really have the power to sing Whitney Houston songs but doesnt have the personnality to deliver it, or her language barrier keep's her of putting power into her singing or unless she doesnt have that strong powerful voice? I have hard time answering this question. Gary : I think that both performance were pretty bad. "When a man loves a women" is one of the best classical love song and i really didnt even recognize it with Gary's performance. I totally dont agree with Sass comments defending Gary. Billy : Even if i never were really a big fan of Billy, i still think that he had the best 2 performances of all yesterday night. His Armagedon performance was great. His voice and presence on the stage is 2 of his best qualities. Therefore, I truly think that Gary should go home tonight. Then Ryan should be next to Gary on the stage.
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81. "RE: Canadian Idol - Sep - 02" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-02-03 AT 02:42 PM (EST)Editing as usual because I forgot something and am long winded We've been trying to play a bit of a game like on some of the other forums to predict the outcome but it almost is becoming pointless. It seems there are only two of us that ever post there continually and not only that I was the fool that set up too many variables. I guess it goes to show that perhaps talent shows just don't make for very good games like other shows such as Joe Millionaire, Big Brother, etc. where there seem to be more variables. With Candian Idol winding down, it's becoming more and more obvious each week, who might be voted off (at least it appears so) - every person here has been in agreement. Contrast that with a few weeks ago or with American Idol. Is this because the best has been voted out or because the whittling down is really beginning?
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82. "Are Canadians On Drugs?????" |
I must say, if Gary wins Canadian Idol, I would think Canadians are tone deaf!!! But for some reason, he keeps on coming back! His performances were abysmal!!! Especially, when he did "When A Man Loves A Woman". I totally agreed with the judges - where was the melody?? He butchered the song. And the first one? He was so sharp and out of tune, it was painful to hear!!! Well I do admit, Audrey's attempt at " Greatest Love of All" was a little optimistic (she doesn't have the power or the voice to pull it off), her first song was actually done quite well. She picked a good song for her voice but I do agree with some of the other posters here that her accent sometimes comes out and I don't think English Canada is ready to have a French Canadian Idol. Billy's performances were okay - not the best I've seen him do but he's still my favorite cuz the guy rocks and is representin' Calgary! Plus, I like it when he shows his vulnerability. Ryan, on the other hand, is downright boring. When I watch him, it's like watching an actor put on a show with no emotions! He puts on this brave face and alrights tries to say the right things and for me, I can't really feel for him. He needs to put down those barriers and show a little more emotion in his performances and not try so hard with the over enunciations and such.
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86. "More Thoughts on Sass, Results etc. = Warning Long Winded as usual " |
A few people have been hurling accusations regarding the competition being rigged (in another thread) however, I felt this is the most appropriate area to post this comment in as it addresses several issues. First of all, if there was any suspicion at all of rigging in Canada, you can bet that the CRTC would be getting involved. Therefore, I'm dismissing any idea of any kind of rigging. I believe it's possible that the show strongly manages to encourage a particular vote but outright rigging? No way.I suspect what is more likely is that the judging panel may sway the public vote simply with their words. It's not so difficult.. Look what happened this week! If we really think about it carefully.... Audrey, of all people was the last person expected to go on Love Song week. But what happened? The judges made sure to mention that she was in her safety zone and did little if anything to encourage her to change other than put on a better show. On the other hand, several of the judges still oohed and awed over Gary despite his dismal performance. They told him they didn't like what he did but that he could certainly do a whole lot better. So what happened? Gary got to stay. Is that what should have happened? Probably. Despite how I used to feel about Gary, (I never thought I could ever forgive the fact that he has made so many flaws in his performances) I have come to realize that he; as Sass and others have pointed out, has tremendous potential - possibly the most potential of those remaining overall. Gary is certainly not going to win this contest and if he does I'll be shocked because he is definately not ready yet. He needs to have some good voice coaching and also some experience at knowing when to change songs and when not to (this week being a case in point). Once this is done, I'm certain that the poor performances will be gone and we'll see a different Gary Beals. Perhaps this was the wrong time for Gary to enter but CI has if nothing else brought him to the spotlight and someone may take an interest in him and develop him as a talent. I can't see Ryan going anywhere but the club scene for long. If he wins CI, I'll be surprised if he has anything more than one album. Will I buy it? It will really depend on the reviews. Billy should be able to sell records and is probably ready for the market with the younger set. But does he have the potential to really go all the way? I'm not so sure that he does. Unless he becomes a sensation like Bryan Adams or Bruce Springsteen that keeps pumping out music, then Billy won't last long. In that event, Sass and friends are truly right.... and Gary DOES have the most potential in the bunch. But many keep going on about Audrey... But what about her?
If Audrey can get past the language barrier, put some power behind her voice and get a little more stage presence - then and ONLY then do I see her becoming a force to be reckoned with. At this point, I disagree with Zacks statement as he sent her off and do not believe she is destined for stardom despite her sweet voice. Audrey it seems is afraid to take a musical risk and even Jenny was willing to do that. That to me isn't a star. I'd rather see a performer flub it up a few times and keep trying than not move out of their own safety net. I believe that is ALSO what Sass and the other judges kept trying to say when they said the word "potential" Monday and Tuesday nights.
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09-04-03, 02:28 AM (EST)
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89. "RE: More Thoughts on Sass, Results etc. = Warning Long Winded as usual " |
When Sass said that Gary was the competitor with the most potential, at first, I thought she was just being a bimbo and cheering for her fave. Upon reading between the lines, I discovered that it was criticism masked as compliment. The other contestants are "there" or are closer to being "there". Gary is not even close to being "there" so he has the most potential to grow.
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90. "RE: More Thoughts on Sass, Results etc. = Warning Long Winded as usual " |
That's how I read it Lumster.... why be mean in your criticism, it doesn't seem to be the way Sass operates. Even Zack isn't mean when it comes right down to it. He just says it like it is. I usually am in total agreement with him. It's interesting too but the artists often really LISTEN to Zack.. whether they really like him or not. As I said yesterday, the only person that has come down a notch lately with me is Ryan and only because of his character. Talking back to a judge when they are trying to give constructive feedback is a complete no no in my book. But because he came back and gave a good performance in his next set, he was safe. Very lucky for him. In my heart, I want to see this become a Billy / Gary final because of Ryan's attitude but I'm sure it won't happen. I think Ryan has a tremendous number of fans out there who like the stylization and overperforming that he puts on..... However, unless he improves his act and improves his attitude, I won't be buying his records.
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09-03-03, 01:24 AM (EST)
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83. "Does Sass Ever Have Anything Intelligent To Say?" |
I must admit I am getting very tired of Sass Jordan. I've watched her get dumber and dumber every week to the point of where she's just a waste of space - a dumb, has-been singer who has nothing intelligent to say, nothing to contribute, and lame attempts at humor which fail to be funny. Every time Ben asked her a question, she avoids it by giving some stupid smart-alecky answer that doesn't even make any sense! When the judges are asked who they think will get voted off each week, I don't believe she's ever answered once!!! She just replies with dumbass remarks! At the beginning of the show, she actually had constructive feedback. Now, it's like she's not even there or she's high or something because she has nothing to say or says things that totally make no sense!!! Zach, Farley, and Jake all have things to contribute and meaningful comments that usually reflect the performances. Sass, on the other hand, is just some dumb bimbo. Anyone else finding this??
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85. "RE: Does Sass Ever Have Anything Intelligent To Say?" |
I agree. I find Sass to say little to nothing. But I find the other judges to say little to nothing as well. With some of the contestants, they never said anything bad, ever. For example, Jenny only received compliments (until Zach said one thing the night before she went).And what about Gary? He sings out of tune and overly improvises tunes that should be left the way they are (or with little improvisation), yet he receives minor criticism. As I said, when he sang that one song (Motown week) so badly out of tune, I cannot ever forgive him. If I go to a CI concert, I do not want to risk the price of a ticket on a night where you don't know if he'll be in tune or not in tune. I don't have that kind of money to throw around (life of being a student with student loans). I find Zach to be the most accurate of the judges who is willing to give some bad news. But he is always cut short when he says, "However . . ." as then the crowd boos for 30 sec and he can't finish or barely finishes. I know sometimes his "mean" comments are pretty useless, too. I don't care if someone is wearing a white shirt when the should be wearing a cream coloured shirt.
Three is the perfect number.
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09-09-03, 00:13 AM (EST)
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94. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
Ryan was definitely the best, but he always is. He has my vote.
I would rate Gary second though. I wouldn't even rate Billy
a distant third as I didn't like his performance at all,
but the judges seem to like him, so your probably right
about the outcome.
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95. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
Pretty much in agreement with you although I didn't care for the song that they gave Billy or the song that Billy chose tonight I do feel he did both of them well. I actually felt Gary did quite well tonight and almost hate to say it but I kind of think he just might stay. It's going to be awfully interesting tomorrow night.
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99. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
Gary will never get a vote from me. After screwing up royally on Motown night and then screwing up majorly again on love song night, I will never be able to accept him as my Canadian Idol. The boy cannot sing well. He may have potential but right now, he does not have it. Not every song is meant to be dragged out like some gospel song. Unfortunately, a great many Canadians will vote for him and I wouldn't be surprised if he wins. However, I will not buy his album.Ryan, unfortunately, is quite boring to watch. He has got to stop his lounge lizard style and show some emotional involvement before I can start caring about his music. Canadians will no doubt vote for him. While he is a very talented singer with good vocal ability and stage presence to boot, I cannot feel for the guy. He puts on this brave face and lets no one scale his walls, which is unfortunate. If Ryan wins, I won't be buying his album. Billy is the most vulnerable of the three. Maybe it's because being from his home town, I do hear a lot more about him, more so than the other two guys. He did check himself into a hospital this weekend for exhaustion and problems with his voice. He was given antibiotics. I expected this to bleed through into his performance on Monday but it really didn't. I was also impressed at his song choice. He is not a follower, playing it safe with mundane sappy songs like the other guys. He is the most original personality of the remaining contestants and he will get my vote.
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97. "RE: Billy is in trouble" |
OK now I can feel safe saying I didn't vote for Billy when I was previously voting for him....... I don't like yelling either.
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98. "Oh well ..." |
I haven't been following CI since Toya was voted out -- thanks to all of you for this discussion so I could catch up!
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101. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
Agree as well - Gary should have gone home. I feel real bad for Billy right now but hopefully his voice and career will get on track
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102. "Canadian Politics And Why Gary Will Be Idol" |
Why will Canadians vote for Gary to be Idol:1) Nova Scotians and Maritimers stick together. There's a real family vibe and togetherness about people out east. Therefore, they will vote for Gary. Plus, Gary will get the minority vote. 2) People feel sorry for him. With every sharp jab from a judge, more and more people join his fan club. For every judge that says he should be gone, hundreds more people want to vote for him. 3) Canadians are always wanting to do the "nice" thing. The "nice" thing would be to give someone who has "potential" a chance. The "nice" thing would be to give a person of color a chance. And as a side-note, the producers f*cked up the music to Billy's and Ryan's songs tonight but Gary's was perfectly fine. Conspiracy theories? We may be seeing an American Idol 2 scam at work here also.
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103. "RE: Canadian Politics And Why Gary Will Be Idol" |
I would have to agree with you on that one. They DID give Ryan a better song even. I can at least stand the He Aint Heavy Song... But Billy's song was atrocious to say the least. My mother is near 65 and even SHE hated it! She is not a fan of his style of music but has grown to at least appreciate that he has talent. Therefore, she definately HATED his second song. I certainly never voted for Gary although I did feel Ryan put on a great performance on Monday night...... it seemed that for once he did not overperform. My rationale was that if Billy won that he may choose to go to alternative music (assuming he has a choice) and I didn't feel that would be good as a First idol. Perhaps the wrong thing to do but maybe other Canadians felt the same way. If Billy truly wanted to play it safe, he could have chosen something a little less controversial such as a Bruce Springsteen tune or a Bryan Adams tune and I can bet that would have really got the fans rolling at HOME as well as in the audience. Perhaps that would have swayed more votes for him. I believe we just lost the best of the remaining 3 BUT, perhaps there could have been a way for Billy to make that lousy song better.... I don't know. The judging panel gave him good marks for it but yet at home it sounded YUCK. Zack said he bought it but I certainly did not. At any rate, Billy has come a long long ways and just because he lost out on the Idol does not mean he has lost out. I have to believe that he'll get a contract. However, the fact that Gary has remained in this competition despite his continued guffaws - as you say, this is NOT about doing the right thing; or at least it shouldn't be. It should be about who is the absolute BEST. That being said; this whole damn contest has been a sham.
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104. "RE: Canadian Politics And Why Gary Will Be Idol" |
Hello,I was sad to see Billy go home and I agree that it should have been Gary. I personally do not like the way he sings. Ryan is my favourite and I am hoping that they do pick him as the first Cdn Idol. But I think that the last American Idol demonstrated that the last two become popular. At least last night Sass finally gave a name and didn't beat around the bush. They yelled at Zack last night about that and did not mention her at all. Farley seemed to whisper in Billy's ear for quite a while last night so he must have been reassuring him that he will succeed. I can see Billy get a CD out of all this.
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106. "Calgary Herald Article and Interview with Billy" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-11-03 AT 01:22 PM (EST)Edited to add stuff I forgot as usual...... There was a long article in the Calgary Herald today about Billy's failure to go on to win the Idol competition (or at least go further) and his future plans. It's probably available online at canada.com - some interesting details that shed some pretty poor light on Gary's family and fans. Apparently they booed Billy off the stage on Tuesday night (post production); very embarassing for both Billy and Gary. The article was talking a bit about why Billy may have lost - some talk on his choice of Blush as a song. Billy defended the song indicating that his lawyers from CI had cleared the song and basically said that this was about HIS idol. "Elton John was NOT his idol" - (This goes back to why I didn't vote for Billy...if he decided to record ONLY alternative music in the future - doubtful but a possible risk) Another interest of note; Ryan's brother both live in Calgary and there is apparently a rather large fan base in Calgary for Ryan. Ryan and Billy have been making plans for the last 4 weeks to do a CD together. Now THAT should make for an interesting compilation and something I would be willing to buy. The article also indicated that BMG holds all the rights and basically determines who gets contracts and who does not so it really does not matter if Billy is voted off if BMG likes him; he will get a contract. Maybe THAT is what Farley was talking to Billy about. Spinning thoughts....
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109. "RE: Calgary Herald Article and Interview with Billy" |
Thanks for that link to the Calgary Herald article. I found it unfortunate that Billy may have lost due to his song choice. I am proud of him for following his heart, the same way I am proud of Nikki from the first American Idol, who was also seen as a rock alternative to the maintream pop contest. She also came in third. It is digusting of Gary followers to boo and heckle Billy off stage. While I do not blame Gary for this, he won't be getting my vote either, for very obvious reasons (like the boy can't sing)! I hope Ryan wins it. I'm not a huge fan of his but he is the better of two evils.
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110. "RE: Canadian Politics And Why Gary Will Be Idol" |
You've hit the nail right on the head! Gary, being from Nova Scotia, has the advantage in that they get more time to vote (time differences). Many of them have caught on that you can vote for up to 4 hours after the show is over (because BC time is 3 or 4 hours later). So the unfortunate thing for many of us out in the west is we don't know which number our contestant is (many don't have Internet access). Hence, the obvious advantage is in the east, where they can keep calling all night if they wanted to.
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112. "RE: Canadian Politics And Why Gary Will Be Idol" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-12-03 AT 02:27 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 09-12-03 AT 02:22 AM (EST) Not so sure they can call for more than 2 hours from specific area codes??? In any event, we COULD try to start calling at 8 pm eastern and see if a line is open....... oops that SHOULD have said 9 p.m. probably - not 8 p.m. (the show likely starts at 8!! (for all of us that are time zone stunted... that would be: 8 p.m. In Manitoba, I have no idea in Saskatchewan since they are not on daylight time..., 7 p.m. in Alberta and 6 p.m. in B.C. - I THINK Saskatchewan would also be 8 p.m. but don't quote me.... it may split depending on where you are.. Anyhow - you know where you live! And I'm the real time zone idiot! Since moving back from Oklahoma last year to Alberta, I'm perpetually an hour behind!
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115. "RE: Canadian Politics And Why Gary Will Be Idol" |
This could explain why they always switch the order of the singers...... AGAIN giving the east a huge advantage.. IF they don't actually close the lines after 2 hours or don't track calls by area codes. One would hope that they actually change the phone numbers or text numbers for each region but who knows if this is actually the case.
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116. "RE: Canadian Politics And Why Gary Will Be Idol" |
Anything is possible.Another concern with numbers is that you are never sure if your vote is going to the right person. Would be better if the phone numbers were either entirely different, or something that contained the name of the contestant. With only two left, they could easily make the phone number end in RYAN or GARY, and could say Thank You For Voting for Ryan or Gary when you call in. But, that would probably take more thought than they actually want to put into this contest. Hopefully the right one will prevail.
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119. "RE: Canadian Politics And Why Gary Will Be Idol" |
"VOTE FOR RYAN LINES ARE OPEN EVERYWHERE"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hey everyone...show is almost on!!! Very exciting!!!
Ryan is number ONE tonight...yes #1 !!!! ...and yes, i am sure! Happy voting everyone!!!! *** 1-866-943-6501 *** ***Congrats Ryan...We love ya***...yer cuz Mandy. It does appear the lines are open everywhere, even in
provinces that haven't seen the show yet.
PS. I am not Mandy, just found this on another site.
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120. "RE: Canadian Politics And Why Gary Will Be Idol" |
I missed the first half of the show tonight - that's how much I actually care about who wins this. I caught half of Ryan's second song and thought he really blew. Gary did what Gary does best. The third song Ryan fared no better. I almost thought he butchered it. Gary, again, was boring. I will be voting for neither contestant tonight. While I think Gary performed better than Ryan (based on the half I saw), I can't forgive him for his past butcherings on a couple other shows. I'll trust that the Canadian public will make the right decision. For me, I honestly don't care either way who wins.
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125. "RE: Canadian Politics And Why Gary Will Be Idol" |
Ryan did get a standing ovation on his first song (the one chosen for them).
Maybe its just me, but I can barely understand Gary when he's singing, and
I didn't even know it was the same song when his turn came. Ryan could probably have chosen better songs, but I still
thought he did well. I think the judges do both of them more harm than good. Doesn't really matter anymore, will just have to wait to see
what happens tonight.
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theghost 14 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-03, 00:56 AM (EST)
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128. "RE: Canadian Idol" |
Everyone was estatic here. Tears were even flowing.
I guess in some small way just being a part of it all.
Ryan was absolutely amazing tonight.
He'll do Canada proud.
He really is the Canadian Idol.
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Lumster 179 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-03, 03:16 AM (EST)
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129. "My Final Thoughts On Canadian Idol" |
Well, who would've figured that the guy who only got in on the second wild card will take the Idol crown (I still maintain that he may have been the actual wild card winner and that Toya was pushed through because she was the judge's favorite but that's another discussion altogether)! I actually breathed a sigh of relief when they announced Ryan was the winner. Canada made the right call. I was happy to finally get to see him show his vulnerabilities - like seeing him and Billy hug and crying, like when he said, "Are we still on? Oh, I guess I'm s'pose to sing now...", like when he got confetti in his hair and Tyler had to take it out... That human side of him was missing all throughout the competition and even Zach had pointed it out in his commentary, that Ryan puts on this brave face and doesn't let his guard down. Well, I'm glad to finally see him for more than just that performer who can sing well and entertain a crowd. He will do Canada proud because he has that work ethic about him. It's just unfortunate that the first single, "Something More", really isn't that great. However, I am excited to hear his collaborations with Billy. The group performances were fun to watch, although I did not enjoy watching Jenny at all! It seemed as though she wasn't comfortable even being there (tightly gripping the mike with both hands)! And what was with that f*ckup, with her breaking into laughter during "Tower of Song"? I am just disgusted by her. My favorite performance of the night was actually when Ryan and Gary did that duet, I think it was Crowded House. They were both on top of their game in that one. I must give Gary kudos for learning and growing throughout the competition. I could see why he had such a loyal fan base. Even though he couldn't sing as well as some of the others, he has this charisma, this charm about him. No wonder he made it to the Top 2. When he performs, you just want to give him a big hug. Ruben looked like he was going to have a heart attack and pass out! The poor guy was sweating bullets even before he finished singing his first line! He looked like he was in pain during his whole performance. I wonder why they didn't announce the percentage of votes for both contestants like they do on American Idol. Could it be that the race wasn't that close? I am happy that I don't have to see John Doer again for a long time. That guy isn't that funny to being with and he just gets tiring very quickly. I should hope that he is gone if a Canadian Idol 2 comes along. I hope that goes the same for useless Sass Jordan ("I have so many thoughts in this pretty little head...") Gimme a break!!!
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