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Redbud 573 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-25-05, 12:44 PM (EST) "10-25 Episode" Jill: I first thought her exercise was so lame! Writing on a mannequin - stupid. But when they started to dress it with the clothes in the baggage I thought it was pure brilliance! It looks like Jill really got it too! Jessice: Her stone exercise was pretty moving, and you may know from other posts I'm no fan of hers. I really saw that she wanted to grieve her mother not as part of a public event, but intimately. But at dinner, Allison mentions again she wants to pay respects to the stone pile with a moment of silence for 9/11, Immediately,Jessica starts to CRY because it's HER night, and she should be the focus not 9/11. waaawaaawaaa Incredible.....   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: 10-25 Episode chaines 10-25-05 1    RE: 10-25 Episode dgibson 10-25-05 2        RE: 10-25 Episode LeAnn 10-25-05 3            RE: 10-25 Episode ChicagoViewer 10-26-05 23  RE: 10-25 Episode bentherdunthat 10-25-05 4    RE: 10-25 Episode rookwood 10-25-05 7        RE: 10-25 Episode angiece 10-25-05 13            RE: 10-25 Episode rookwood 10-25-05 16        RE: 10-25 Episode Labyrinth 10-25-05 14            RE: 10-25 Episode rookwood 10-25-05 17    RE: 10-25 Episode Redbud 10-25-05 8        RE: 10-25 Episode rookwood 10-25-05 11        RE: 10-25 Episode chaines 10-25-05 12            RE: 10-25 Episode Banshee 10-25-05 15            RE: 10-25 Episode ChicagoViewer 10-26-05 26        RE: 10-25 Episode bentherdunthat 10-26-05 27    RE: 10-25 Episode divawahine 10-26-05 21  RE: 10-25 Episode Busybee 10-25-05 5  RE: 10-25 Episode jennysgotgame 10-25-05 6    RE: 10-25 Episode rookwood 10-25-05 9        RE: 10-25 Episode Sharon_L 10-25-05 18    RE: 10-25 Episode Redbud 10-25-05 10    RE: 10-25 Episode MsV500 10-26-05 20  RE: 10-25 Episode Urpi 10-26-05 19    RE: 10-25 Episode Redbud 10-26-05 24  RE: 10-25 Episode divawahine 10-26-05 22    RE: 10-25 Episode Redbud 10-26-05 25

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chaines 86 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-25-05, 01:10 PM (EST) 1. "RE: 10-25 Episode" Kudos to REDBUD - I am not a fan of Jessica's either and after watching the whole episode, I can't agree with you more.......You can't have it both ways...No matter what you do with regard to Jessica, she twists it and turns it to be negative...She needs to make up her mind. Thanks for the post   Top

dgibson 76 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-25-05, 01:27 PM (EST) 2. "RE: 10-25 Episode" Amen girls. Re: Jill - I didn't get it either, but once Jill clothed that beautiful woman w/ all of the "stuff" she got it also. I thought that was very touching!! Re: Jessica - I WAS SCREAMING AT THE TV! It's not ALL about Jessica. She is incredibly self focused.   Top

LeAnn 28 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-25-05, 02:18 PM (EST) 3. "RE: 10-25 Episode" I really like Jills excersied and I got it right away and was praying she would and she did. BREAKTHROUGH FOR JILL! YEAH! I did like Jessicas too, and was sad what happened at dinner, Allison just did not think or knew what was going on. She should of whated till Jessica said what it was about to make any comments. This was about Jessica and seting boundries and she was not able to do that today. I think she is trying to move on but it is hard for her. I really dont get her and TJ, after the comment TJ made last week and now all the sudden they are close what is that all about, I kinda think that is the producers doing that, I feel bad for Christina and how Jessica is leaving her out.   Top

ChicagoViewer 71 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-26-05, 09:43 AM (EST) 23. "RE: 10-25 Episode" I thought that Jessica could have taken that opportunity at dinner to set her boundaries clearly. She could have told her housemates that as concerned people they were welcome to grieve the entirety of 9-11. At the same time, she could have shown them her box, and explained what it was about. It was a perfect time for her to invite them to sympathize with her private grieving of her own mother.   Top

bentherdunthat 518 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-25-05, 02:38 PM (EST) 4. "RE: 10-25 Episode" I agree about the mannequin excercise. It seemed like Jill finally got it and FINALLY got rid of the bags! Hooray for Jill! I have to disagree (somewhat) about what happened with Jill and Allison. That pile of stones was not meant to be a monument or memorial to 9/11. It was meant to represent the burden of grief that Jessica has taken on. Jessica is there to get past 9/11. Not become a martyr to it as she has in the past. BUT Jessica sabotaged Allison (and herself). She HEARD Allison talk about the pile of rubble BEFORE dinner and heard Allison call it "ground zero". Right then and there Jessica could have stopped and set Allison straight, but she didn't. Instead she waited until dinner and made Allison feel like an a$$. She did NOT handle that well in my opinion. She LET a minor misunderstanding get blown WAY out of proportion. As for Allison,if she wanted a "moment of silence" for the victims, she should have AT LEAST asked Jessica privately if it was okay-AFTERWARD. This was Jessica's excercise and Allison had no right to inject anything into it without Jessica's or the Life Coach's permission. Allison knows that Jessica is there to MOVE BEYOND 9-11. This is a perfect example of why the whole house got a C at the BOR. THEY DON"T COMMUNICATE! None of these women support each other in their (collective) healing.   Top

rookwood 350 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-25-05, 04:15 PM (EST) 7. "RE: 10-25 Episode" I do agree about the incredible lack of communication here. But I will cut Jess a little slack and say that she's still learning the vocabulary of someone who says what they are feeling and needing from others. I thought Jess just didn't know how to tell Allison why what she (Allison) did was inappropriate, so she went off and got some tools (called Rhonda) and tried to come back after that and clear things up with Allison (who wouldn't let her). I will say that I was surprised at her bonding with TJ. She (Jess) seemed more than happy to put TJ down to Christina before the BOR, but now Jess says TJ is the person she feels closest to? Maybe that's because she knows TJ will tell her straight out what she's feeling and not BS her or candy coat it?? I'm grasping here...   Top

angiece 30 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-25-05, 04:46 PM (EST) 13. "RE: 10-25 Episode" I don't get to see today's episode until I get home tonight - but as for Jessica being closest to TJ, didn't Rhonda tell her days ago that she was very lucky that TJ was in the house? That TJ's personality was exactly the one she needed to encounter to work the hardest? I could be wrong and Rhonda said it to somebody else, but I thought it was Jessica. Maybe this is a reflection of her gratitude and awareness of that.   Top

rookwood 350 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-25-05, 06:37 PM (EST) 16. "RE: 10-25 Episode" I'd forgotten about that - excellent point.   Top

Labyrinth 1248 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 10-25-05, 05:18 PM (EST) 14. "RE: 10-25 Episode" On TJ and Jessica bonding - On the BOR ep., Jessica says about TJ - "she thinks she's the one going home" {i took this to mean that Jessica thought TJ thought TJ was going home} It would be interesting to go back and peek in her journal and see what she had written. I do think with groups that they flex and grow. The person you thought you would be most close to - becomes the one you hate the most; the person you felt was the most unfeeling, becomes the shoulder to cry on. I would suspect that Jessica and Christina bonded for a while due to age - they are the two youngest in the house. However, let's face it Christina is wrapped up in Christina and how much compassion can she have for a college lady who comes from a privileged NY family? TJ on the other hand has been trying hard to listen to people. I guess I was the only one who noticed that it was TJ who patted Christina's arm during group when Christina was upset. And it was TJ who spoke some words of encouragement to another HG during another exercise. It was TJ who jumped in the pool, horsing around with Allison. I think TJ has a lot of warmth and give underneath it all. Over time, Jessica has found this to be true (who else could she turn too? Allison - know it all? Lisa - snob? or Jill who seems far removed from Jessica's background?). JMO.   Top

rookwood 350 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-25-05, 06:38 PM (EST) 17. "RE: 10-25 Episode" Good comments. TJ is still my favorite, even though sometimes I want to kick her for what comes out of her mouth. I do believe she is good-hearted, though. And much more approachable then certain OTHER housemates.   Top

Redbud 573 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-25-05, 04:15 PM (EST) 8. "RE: 10-25 Episode" Bentheredunthat: Yup! Agreed! Jessica could have nipped that in the bud in the kitchen. But you know I guess I interpreted the rubble pile differently. I saw it as the people who died and all the people who were affected, to show Jessica she was not alone and that she could still grieve her mom intimately via the "box". I don't get the idea that she took on everyone's grief.... How?   Top

rookwood 350 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-25-05, 04:25 PM (EST) 11. "RE: 10-25 Episode" >I guess I interpreted the >rubble pile differently. I >saw it as the people >who died and all the >people who were affected, to >show Jessica she was not >alone and that she could >still grieve her mom intimately >via the "box". That's what I thought, too. It also reminded me of a Buddhist story about a woman who is inconsolable after the death of her child. She goes to the Buddha and begs him for help, and he tells her to go around to all the villages in the area, to every house's door, and collect mustard seeds from every house that has not experienced loss and grief. After her journey, she returns empty handed, and aware that her suffering is not unique. I don't >get the idea that she >took on everyone's grief.... How? I could see that she put everyone else's grief before hers. Like the whole spectacle and horror of 9/11 was more important than her own personal loss of one person she loved. She said it was hard to mourn her own loss when there were so many thousands of people who died and their families...I think she put her own personal grief on a backburner, thinking it paled in comparison to the larger loss/tragedy. jmo.   Top

chaines 86 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-25-05, 04:38 PM (EST) 12. "RE: 10-25 Episode" I wish Rhonda would have dumped the whole rock pile on her head to memorialize the rocks Jess has in her head!!   Top

Banshee 12 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 10-25-05, 06:26 PM (EST) 15. "RE: 10-25 Episode" LMAO   Top

ChicagoViewer 71 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-26-05, 10:19 AM (EST) 26. "RE: 10-25 Episode" >I wish Rhonda would have dumped >the whole rock pile on >her head to memorialize the >rocks Jess has in her >head!! How very compassionate this wish is.   Top

bentherdunthat 518 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-26-05, 01:38 PM (EST) 27. "RE: 10-25 Episode" I looked at my original post and I wasn't very clear about Jessica and the pile of rubble. Here's how I interpreted the excercise: The pile of stones Literally meant the individual victims of 9/11 (the large ones being the ones who died and the smaller pebbles the family members and friends who lost a loved one that day). Figuratively I believe it was an illustration for Jessica that she was literally mourning ALL those stones (victims). The loss that day was so enormous that she was unable to separate her own personal loss of a mother from "THE TRAGEDY OF 911". She hadn't mourned her mother because she was buried in all the loss.When Jessica was looking at that pile she just kept saying "I keep thinking about all those people"-we all do...but somewhere in "those people" was Jessica's mom, and she hadn't made that distinction yet. So I interpreted the pile of rubble to illustrate the burden that Jessica had taken on in her own grief journey. She needed to stop mourning the expansive, "collective" loss and focus on the personal loss.   Top

divawahine 51 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-26-05, 02:02 AM (EST) 21. "RE: 10-25 Episode" Again bentherdunthat you take the words right out of my mouth. AND what is it the HM's do not get from BOR and addressing situations as they arise...this is a purr-fect example.   Top

Busybee 53 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-25-05, 03:57 PM (EST) 5. "RE: 10-25 Episode" Jill: At first, I hated the mannequin. It was so skinny & ugly. But you could actually see the light go on in Jills mind when she saw that she put's on the "baggage" and that her authentic self was STILL underneath, and it's up to her to take all of it off. I think that's when I also finally got it. I have issues similar to Jill and it finally made sense to me too. My heart was breaking for her as she cried all alone while dressing the mannequin. But at least she has hope now. Jessica: I really don't know if Allison knew the purpose of Jessica's excercise. I don't think she would have mentioned the moment of silence thing if she knew. In other words, I think her motives were pure. It's Jessica's fault if she didn't explain to them why the stones were there and what her excercise was about. I just think she could have handled her anger better at the dinner table.   Top

jennysgotgame 1 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 10-25-05, 04:07 PM (EST) 6. "RE: 10-25 Episode" I'm so happy that Jill finally got rid of her baggage. It may have taken her some time but she finally realized the purpose behind carrying the baggage. Self-reflection! I also think Allison needs to mind her own business and deal with the issues she is facing. She should also know when to open her big mouth. I wonder if TJ realizes why she has no friends yet?   Top

rookwood 350 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 10-25-05, 04:16 PM (EST) 9. "RE: 10-25 Episode" Seems like TJ has at least ONE friend now - Jessica, of all people!   Top

Sharon_L 260 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 10-25-05, 08:01 PM (EST) 18. "RE: 10-25 Episode" >Seems like TJ has at least >ONE friend now - Jessica, >of all people! Maybe it's because they're both the most hardheaded in the house and it's looking to me as if they've paired up for that reason.   Top

Redbud 573 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-25-05, 04:17 PM (EST) 10. "RE: 10-25 Episode" > > >I wonder if TJ realizes why >she has no friends yet? > She has Jessica (at least as long as TJ continues to play the "poor poor Jessica" role)   Top

MsV500 38 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-26-05, 01:38 AM (EST) 20. "RE: 10-25 Episode" >I also think Allison needs to >mind her own business and >deal with the issues she >is facing. She should also >know when to open her >big mouth. > Hi - first time posting on new board - I think Alison was falling into her same pattern of rushing to make Jessica feel better, without getting the full information about the rubble. Alison is too nice - too concerned about others. And then she rushed into an apology, to make everything better without thinking. She is like a puppy - she just wants everyone to feel better. But that quality can end up biting her in the ##### - which it did in today's episode. Hopefully, she will learn that it's not her responsibility to make her roommates, or anyone else, feel better. She will learn to listen and to aid when asked.   Top

Urpi 2 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 10-26-05, 00:41 AM (EST) 19. "RE: 10-25 Episode" I was also very moved by Jill's exercise and felt so sad for her. We all have great gifts but things happen in life in a way that can cover those gifts with tons of layers. I don't understand why Allison took the role of master of ceremony at Jessica's dinner. She is acting weird this time. I am happy for TJ because there is at least one person that trusts her and wants her friendship. At the beginning I couldn't stand TJ but after knowing her story I was heartbroken. She experienced such cruelty growing up that not wonder she is agressive. Lisa is an idiot. What is she thinking? Either she has zero social intelligence or she just can't think about the other's feelings.   Top

Redbud 573 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-26-05, 09:58 AM (EST) 24. "RE: 10-25 Episode" >Lisa is an idiot. What >is she thinking? Either she >has zero social intelligence or >she just can't think about >the other's feelings. It could very well be Lisa doesn't have a high social intelligene IQ. Seems to me the majority of people in that house only care about themselves. Jessica wants everyone to be respect her pain, but shows no compassion for anyone else. Allison appears to be genuinely concerned for the others (I know I'm in a small group of people who actually like Allison!) I guess that's why they got a "C" as a house.   Top

divawahine 51 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 10-26-05, 02:06 AM (EST) 22. "RE: 10-25 Episode" Honestly, I got the message with the baggage from the very beginning and I knew Jill would eventually get it. There is a reason for every exercise which portrays the "physical" with the mental aspect so the HM's can visually see the mental baggage...did I just repeat myself????   Top

Redbud 573 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-26-05, 09:59 AM (EST) 25. "RE: 10-25 Episode" >There is a reason for >every exercise which portrays the >"physical" with the mental aspect >so the HM's can visually >see the mental baggage...did I >just repeat myself???? LOL! that's okay we all do that! I thought Jill's exercise was powerful and heartwarming when she finally "got it". I hope she can hold on to what she's learned.   Top

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