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"SurvivorBlows Tribe, It's Time to Vote...."
Hey, next time they decide to move this stupid show around in the schedule, somebody let me know, ok?

Anyway, on to the rules:

1.Please put the name of your choice for this week's bootee IN THE SUBJECT HEADING!

Simply replace the section of your post that reads: "Re:SurvivorBlows Tribe, It's Time to Vote!" with your pick.

Violators from last week's thread are: strone & RobinHood!
Do with them what you will. Enjoy it now, 'cause next time, they're mine! Muwaa haa haa!

2. Reply ONLY to this post!

Do not reply to the last post on this thread. Do not reply to any other post on this thread. After reading these rules on THIS post click on the "reply" button in the bottom right of THIS POST ONLY.

Violator's from last week's thread are: GTMike & literock!
Still got your sticks sharp? Good, start poking!

3. THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION THREAD! DO NOT TREAT IT AS SUCH!

When you make your post, feel free to give your reasoning and your theories in the message portion. BUT, for further discussion of said theories, take it outside.

Violator for the second week in a row: Webby!
You'd think he'd know better wouldn't you? For shame, Webby, for shame.

Ok, that's it for the regular rules. Apparently, Dave is more open to suggestions than I am, though. So here comes the...

THE STRONGLY WORDED SUGGESTIONS

1. If you read the summary and didn't get a chance to thank the writer, now would be a great time to do so.

Thanks Swami! Great freakin' summary!

2. Taunt previous violators of the rules at will upon their first violation.

You know who they are. Now let 'em have it! It's good for them. See how TechNoir behaved himself last week? You know why? Discipline, that's why. Kudos to TechNoir for taking the beating so well! Yay TechNoir!

Also, a very special shoutout this week to Java for creatively escaping an acutal rule breakage and at the same time entertaining us with her naked grandfather. Yay Java!

That's all kids. Have fun. And as always...Happy Voting!


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 Gina IceCat 03-11-02 1
 Sarah smokedog 03-11-02 2
 Sarah I_AM_HE 03-12-02 3
 KaThY BaquaR13 03-12-02 4
 Robert Mitrelleum 03-12-02 5
 Hunter bergdogg 03-12-02 6
 Kathy jancan 03-12-02 7
 Neleh cowboyroo 03-12-02 8
 Kathy Silvergirl1 03-12-02 9
 Hunter Seyz 03-12-02 10
 Kathy Riordan 03-12-02 11
 Kathy gorudygo 03-12-02 12
 Sarah StarvingButStrong 03-12-02 13
 Kathy Alpengeist 03-12-02 14
 Kathy ItzLisa 03-12-02 15
   RE: Kathy WillyWonka 03-12-02 16
 Sarah weltek 03-12-02 17
 Robert chp 03-12-02 18
 Sarah wendyp 03-12-02 19
 Sarah ejm92 03-12-02 20
 Kathy LionChow 03-12-02 21
 Sarah lroy 03-12-02 22
 Kathy kawee 03-12-02 23
 SARAH JONES ivoryElephant 03-12-02 24
 Sarah strone 03-12-02 25
 Sarah Rain Crow 03-12-02 26
 Kathy bigtomshouldhavewon 03-12-02 27
 John diamond 03-12-02 28
 Kathy! Cin 03-12-02 29
   kathy westgirl98 03-12-02 31
 Kathy C_Master 03-12-02 30
 Sarah macamrox 03-12-02 32
 Kathy FesterFan1 03-12-02 33
 Sarah TheWanderer 03-12-02 34
 HUNTER MikeD 03-12-02 35
 Kathy The Collector 03-12-02 36
 Robert KLicK 03-12-02 37
 Robert the snitch 03-12-02 38
 Sarah hrc2u 03-12-02 39
 Robert... managerr 03-12-02 40
 Kathy KevMo 03-12-02 41
 kathy King William 03-12-02 42
 Gina Lexi 03-12-02 43
 Kathy wildchickenhunter 03-12-02 44
 Kathy Loree 03-12-02 45
 Sarah FFantasyFX 03-12-02 46
 Vote totals so far.... AyaK 03-12-02 47
 ROBERT Wacko Jacko 03-12-02 48
 Kathy RudyRules 03-12-02 49
 Kathy the Whiner pisspoorprotoplasm 03-12-02 50
 Kathy JohnMc 03-12-02 51
 Sarah princesstan 03-12-02 52
 Paschal janisella 03-12-02 53
 Sarah Hylia 03-12-02 54
 Robert TechNoir 03-12-02 55
 Kathy soulSurvivor_23 03-12-02 56
 RE: Hunter ShowMeTheWinner 03-12-02 57
 Kathy (big dumb reasons included...... big idiot 03-12-02 58
 Kathy AyaK 03-12-02 59
 Kathy Kermit the Vixen 03-12-02 60
 Hey Kathy... Round Robin 03-13-02 61
 Hunter combatwombat 03-13-02 62
 Robert mavsfan 03-13-02 63
 John SherpaDave 03-13-02 64
 Vote Totals So Far SherpaDave 03-13-02 65
   Robert Gerbees 03-13-02 68
 ROBERT PepeLePew13 03-13-02 66
 Robert! smiley 03-13-02 67
 robert DeclaringJihadOnSurvivor 03-13-02 69
 Robert idiotcowboy 03-13-02 70
 Sarah zzz 03-13-02 71
 Sarah Bebo 03-13-02 72
 Sarah Tatina 03-13-02 73
 Gina brenda1234 03-13-02 74
 Robert samiam 03-13-02 75
 Gina landruajm 03-13-02 76
 Robert Swami 03-13-02 77
 Robert redandwhite 03-13-02 78
 Robert 5Foot3 03-13-02 79
 Robert DarkLotus 03-13-02 80
 Robert ycartdraw 03-13-02 81
 Kathy...... MDSkinner 03-13-02 82
 Robert lionsroar 03-13-02 83
 Robert poolboy 03-13-02 84
 Kathy rucksack 03-13-02 85
 Kathy Drive My Car 03-13-02 86
 Robert jkokoj 03-13-02 87
 Kathy ronmimid 03-13-02 88
 Vote Totals So Far.... PepeLePew13 03-13-02 89
 Hunter johnnydubious 03-13-02 90
 Kathy Splendora 03-13-02 91
 Kathy dabo 03-13-02 92
 Gina scante60a 03-13-02 93
 Robert smiles 03-13-02 94
 SEAN Uncle_Fester 03-13-02 95
 Robert !!!! katem 03-13-02 96
 Hunter tribephyl 03-13-02 97
 Robert specie 03-13-02 98
 Robert Java 03-13-02 99
 Robert anotherkim 03-13-02 100
 Robert MeToo 03-13-02 101
 Hunter PhillyBrat 03-13-02 102
 Robert echogirl 03-13-02 103
 Vee esquire 03-13-02 104
 Robert Naked 03-13-02 105
 John.......... lazydazes 03-13-02 106
 Robert drich61 03-13-02 107
 Robert SurvivaBear 03-13-02 108
 Robert Krautboy 03-13-02 109
 Kathy VargasBros 03-13-02 110
 Kathy NightScribe 03-13-02 111
 Robert Peteycat 03-13-02 112
 Hunter SurvivinDawg 03-13-02 113
 Vote total so far... AyaK 03-13-02 114
 Robert travelingbetty 03-13-02 115
 Robert jtmorgan61 03-13-02 116
 Robert Lisapooh 03-13-02 117
 Hunter LadyT 03-13-02 118
 Robert Kokoro 03-13-02 119
 Hunter Sheila 03-13-02 120
 Robert MakeItStop 03-13-02 121
 A-HUNTER-he-will-go... Outfrontgirl 03-13-02 122
 Robert George Tirebiter 03-13-02 123
 Kathy sleeeve 03-13-02 125
 KATHY SurvivorBlows 03-13-02 126
 Hunter volmel 03-13-02 127
 Robert dangerkitty 03-13-02 128
 HUNTER zeako 03-13-02 129
 Vote totals so far... AyaK 03-13-02 130
 Sarah moonbaby 03-13-02 131
 Hunter? shakes the clown 03-13-02 132
 ROBERT...... Dalton 03-13-02 133
 FINAL Vote Totals sleeeve 03-13-02 134

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IceCat 17415 desperate attention whore postings
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03-11-02, 11:33 PM (EST)
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1. "Gina"
So I figured... why not be the early 'bird' this time...



OUTSPOIL! OUTSPOOF! OUTRAGEOUS!

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2. "Sarah"
I sense Maraamu is going to lose again, and Sarah is the weakest link. I'll miss that body.
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3. "Sarah"
LAST EDITED ON 03-12-02 AT 01:52 AM (EST)

at least I hope. if Maraamu loses again it could just as easily be Gina. and i don't know that they'll lose, since they would seem to be at a physical advantage. My alternate pick is Kathy, if Rotu heads to TC

EDIT: let me add: Excellent summary Swami!

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4. "KaThY"
Maraamu CAN'T lose 3 immunity's in a row, they just cant. In the case that they do lose, there is no doubt in my mind that Kathy will be the one to go.
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5. "Robert"
I am really having a hard time with this one, there are quite a few options and one day less to consider them. Besides, I have the honor of giving Robert his first vote. I think his being sick and injured makes him a sure bet for TC despite Kathy's issues. If I'm wrong and Maraamu loses, my bet is on Gina getting the boot.
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03-12-02, 01:26 AM (EST)
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6. "Hunter"
Sean and Rob will want to take out the leader to battle for the top spot!!!!!

My alternate pic is Sarah, and my alternate alternate pic is Kathy.

I read the summary this week, and it ruled!!! good job!!

BOO THE VOILATORS!!!!!

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7. "Kathy"
I want to vote her off. I can't stand to listen to her whine another week. You ARE bitchy, you are "that hard to get along with". You're outta here.....PLEASE!
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03-12-02, 02:47 AM (EST)
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8. "Neleh"
Survivor history says doom is upon you by winning a tiebreaker in the Gross Food Challenge. In all 3 Survivors, the winner was booted the next time their tribe went to IC (Stacey, Kimmi, Linda).

I thought the "No Pain, No Gain" was pointing to another Maraamu TC, until I saw the Robt quote about, "pain is nothing, but life is tough", thus somehow saying without actually suffering the pain, there is no gain. Foreshadowing Rotu to IC.

My guess is Kathy and Robert are the unlikely alliance as per the CBS Eyemail. We already see Kathy with Zoe as we see Robert with Tammy and Tammy with Gabe, creating a potentil 5-man alliance, leaving John, Neleh and Paschal in the cold.

Physically, of the females she is probably the weakest. She is sooooo sweet if she made it to the Finals, she would win. Get rid of her now.

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03-12-02, 03:00 AM (EST)
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9. "Kathy"
Come on, Kathy, being voted off is not that bad. You get all the food you can find at the buffet line, clean water that doesn't need a fire to boil it, and sturdy leak proof shelter from the rain. All that and paradise to boot <insert bootee joke>.

I chose her last week for this thread, but should have consulted my PTTE because I correctly chose Patricia in that thread. Oh, well, I chose those names before the first episode aired.

Please don't lose IC this week Maraamu.

As for the rule breakers, hey guys, cut it out or we will have to make you stand in the corner with dunce caps on!

-SG

R.I.P. (Recreating In Paradise):
Peter Harkey and Patricia Jackson

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10. "Hunter"
Sarah hates your gut. (from the preview.. REALLY hates Hunter)
Sean hates your gut. (from last episode.. REALLY hates Hunter)
Rob hates your gut. ( from preview.. wants to challenge Hunter)
Bye Hunter!!

Sean and Rob are on good terms.
Sarah and Rob are on good terms.
Sean, Rob and Sarah team up to kick Hunter.

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11. "Kathy"
alternate: Hunter
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12. "Kathy"
The fix is in! Bad hair day is GAWN!
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13. "Sarah"
'Cause I think Maraamu will lose BOTH RC and IC this time, and a clue will finally creep into enough of their minds: get rid of the WEAKEST ones. Sheesh.
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14. "Kathy"
alt. Sarah...
I'm sticking with my pick from last week . If M loses, Sarah's gone though *cry*.

Great summary, Swami!

Alp

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03-12-02, 09:32 AM (EST)
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15. "Kathy"
LAST EDITED ON 03-12-02 AT 09:42 AM (EST)

Hey, I was wrong last week, I could be wrong this week, but God, I hope not! If she finds more food and begins yet a second "Whine and Dine", she's gonna crack my TV screen!

Alternate pick if Mara is too dumb to get their act together a third time - Gina. OUCH! I'd hate to see her go, but the tribal idiots are "representin'" for now!

SWAAAAAAAAMMMIIIII!!!!!! (*Holds up lighter, rock-concert style*) WOOOO HOOOOOO!!!!! Slammin' summary, babe!

To all the violaters (boy, there were alot of 'em this week!) - NYAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!! Supe, Can I help with the beatings? (*Hands Supe her resume*) As you can see by my credentials, I'm Italian, I was raised in Atlantic City, and I currently live in NY. My training gives me a varied background of yelling, smacking, and name-calling. I feel I am far more experienced and polished for this position than most of our illustrious peeps here. Thank you for your consideration.

Edit to be a frickin' smart-ass!

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16. "RE: Kathy"
Kathy. She's had a lot of face time. She fits the profile for ejection. If Moomoo goes to Tribal Council it will be Sara. Despite alliances she's the weakest.
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17. "Sarah"
OFG Theory: Lots of choices. Gina nor Vee shown in vid caps for Marammu. Lots of Rotu's not shown. I think the injuries are the predominant feature in the previews, not necessarily only bootee and non bootee story lines.

Which tribe: I'm going with the idea the the injuries are not that serious & are a misdirection of a Rotu catastrophe. Due to the Paschal pics, possible liquor, etc, I think Rotu wins RC & has a leg up due to nourishment & attitude for the IC. So I think we'll see one team loosing the first three IC's.

So who goes?
Hunter: Too obvious in previews, still a very strong male, could happen, but I think Gina would go first

Gina: If Rob, Sarah, Sean & Vee team up, we'll see Gina take a flying leap. A likely scenario.

Rob: Hunter and Gina already have proclaimed they'd rather see Sarah go & get work out of Rob, so very unlikely scenario. I don't think the challenge loss last week will effect Rob's chances.

Sean: He holds some power right now as a swing vote, as does Vee. It doesn't sound like he and Pat really ever made ammends or grew to like eachother, so I don't think he's next at looser lodge. Of course it doesn't sound like Pat & Peter ever hit it off either.

Vee: I think she is the key swing vote. She is not simply Sean's puppet. She seems to be clever, as verified by Pat. She doesn't like Sarah at all, that's all she's STRONGLY stated over and over.

Sarah: Sort of Pat's friend, worthless at camp, already a thorn in many tribemate's sides. Strongly allied with Rob only. Reminds me of a Lindsey conversation after TC last year. Ugh.

So, with these players in place, I see Rob & Sarah splitting with Gina & Hunter. Both vie for Sean & Vee. Vee goes with Hunter & Gina. Sean wants to go with Rob (Rob makes him an offer he can't refuse). The split ensues and I think Sarah will somehow end up getting the heave ho.

Pat stands up for Sarah, but didn't seem to have too much to say about her while on the show. It seems that they got to know eachother in other ways...i.e., bootee lodge.


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18. "Robert"
This is the first time every that I feel certain about my pick. I believe that Robert is the next to go. Why?
1) I don't believe that MB would let Rotu win three and a row. He and Jiffy will chose a challenge to favor Maraamu's win.
2) If a survivor is sick and a burden to the team, the team cuts them immediately. Look at Ramona and Jessie. Robert has been sick since day one. Top of that, he is injured. No matter how strong Robert is perceived to be, if he is sick/injured he is dead weight.
3) Kathy is too valuable to the tribe. Through it all, she has provided food. Even if she is annoying, I think the members of the tribe are not going to sacrafice protein just to get rid of an annoying player...look at Richard. He ran around naked, pissed everyone off...but because he provided the food he controlled the game.
4) Finally, the bootee never seems to be the one that everyone picks. Last week, a large portion of the people picked Kathy. As a result, she is too obvious, therefore she is safe for another week.
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19. "Sarah"
Not 100%, but think Maramu goes back to TC. Too many options this week.

alt Kathy

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20. "Sarah"
Well, mainly because she's a fake lazy #####....and I think Rob and Sarah will be left out in the cold when Sean (W/Vecepia) joins up with Hunter and Gina to get rid of her.

Thanks Swami!!!

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21. "Kathy"
It simply must be. Robert's sickness/injuries are worth noting, but I think it's only smoke. On the other side of the island... who knows? I'll lean toward Sarah, but with weak conviction.

Swami, I'll head over to your recap pronto!

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22. "Sarah"
If the M's lose again, they have to boot her; they just have to damn it! (alternate pick, Robert)

Awesome summary Swami, you rule!

And rule breakers: Mom always said, "Don't play ball in the house."

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Loved the summary Swami! thanks!

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24. "SARAH JONES"
The Tribe has spoken, it is time for your floating devices to go.

"I know I don't know you, and you're probably not what you seem, but I sure would like to find out so why don't you climb down of that TV screen"

Gina Crews, the Sole Survivor!

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Bye bye flotation devices.
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26. "Sarah"
Once, after losing several bets of $5-$10, I bet $100 on a blackjack hand because I couldn't believe the law of averages would allow the dealer to win again after 11 straight wins against me. Wrong. He won the 12th hand and I lost my $100.

Therefore, I do believe a tribe can lose more than 2 ICs in a row even if MB would like it differently.

I believe V has one of the few brains in MooMoo and that she will see the wisdom in keeping the strongest players...and she knows who the weakest are...Sarah and Sean in that order. She will side with Hunter and Gina for at least a tie. She may bring along Sean for a solid 4. There are mental challenges ahead and neither Rob nor Sarah are up for them. V's and Sean's best chances for time in the game are with Hunter and Gina.

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27. "Kathy"
I think Maramu will get both the rc and tc, leading for Kathy to be kicked out of Rotu.
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28. "John"
I may regret this vote, and you can all taunt me if I am wrong, but I am voting for John. It has nothing to do with the injury, whatever it is.

First, I think the fix is in, and we will see an IC that Maraamu will win, whether it is because it is a subjective challenge (e.g., SOS), or one heavily tilted towards a team with fewer members (e.g., maze). Editing also leads me to believe that none of the Maraamu members is going next.

If Rotu loses, then who goes? I think the following people are safe, based on editing and/or tribe dynamics (what little we’ve seen): Neleh, Paschal, Gabe, Tammy, Zoe.

Robert could conceivably go, because of his illness/injury, but I think that by this time, he would have been given more facetime by now. Even if he’s done nothing around camp because he hasn’t been feeling well, he’s still done confessionals, and they could have given him more facetime just as a narrator. Yes, Jessie was voted out for illness without much facetime, but that was in the second episode, while we are up to the third. I think by now, there has to be a little more set-up for the boot.

It’s also very possible that Kathy could go, but I don’t think she will. It’s partly because it’s “too obvious,” but sometimes they are obvious (see Kimmi, Lindsey, Frank), so that’s not really a good answer. It’s more because I think, despite her early run-in with her tribe, they got over their annoyance with her.

After the confrontation with the group, when Kathy was practically in tears, Tammy said she felt bad, and that their intention wasn’t to hurt her feelings (or something like that). Gabe called her out on her behavior, but then said he would do what he could to “assuage her worries.” Then, they all came together and built the hut to make her happy. If they really didn’t like her and wanted her gone, I think they would have said screw that, we’ll build the hut when we damn well feel like it, and no blond b!tchy person is going to tell us what to do. Finally, they’ll probably realize that, annoying as she is, they’ll still want to keep her around for a while to be the food provider.

John, on the other hand, certainly fancies himself the food provider, but he is so not. What has he done so far? He built a pig snare that he said “worked perfectly,” despite the fact that the pig was able to set it off without getting caught. Well, I don’t know what kind of bizarro planet John lives on, but where I come from, that’s the textbook definition of “didn’t work at all.” He also thinks he’s all that because he caught one shimp. One! And Gabe mocked him for it. I suspect the others may be doing the same. At least Kathy can back up her words with actual food.

Whenever we’ve seen confrontations involving Kathy, John’s been the one who’s clashed with her the most. I can see the tribe feeling bad for Kathy, and blaming John for making the problems worse. I also haven’t really seen any real interactions between John and anyone else. We have no idea if he has bonded with anyone or made any alliances yet. Could it be because he has none?

In order to vote John out, they wouldn’t even have to have a majority. Perhaps it will be our first tie vote, and we will finally see how they are going to resolve the ties. Maybe it’s a food-finding competition or a quiz about food finding, and of course Kathy would kick John’s @ss.

Finally, I really think the editing supports John being booted. He’s gotten a ton of facetime. He stated that if he catches a pig, he’ll be in the final four. But he didn’t catch a pig, did he? No final four for you, John. (And wouldn’t it be funny if his final four spot goes instead to the actual food provider, Kathy, the one we all think should be voted out.)

Well, I’ll probably be wrong, but it makes a good story, doesn’t it?

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29. "Kathy!"
I can't stand her! she's got to go!

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31. "kathy"
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30. "Kathy"
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32. "Sarah"
she's a loafer - not a team player... but man is she hot!
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33. "Kathy"
If there is a God in heaven...

Swami, what can I say? You rock. Oh, and your summary was pretty good too...

Fester

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34. "Sarah"
If Maraamu loses, which is a distinct possibility. If Rotu loses, Kathy is toast.

Thanks for the report Swami.

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35. "HUNTER"
IT BETTER NOT BE SARAH.....
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36. "Kathy"
I'm betting Maraamu finally wins immunity.

Judging from the confessionals, Kathy is the obvious outsider in Rotu.

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37. "Robert"
He's got the preview, the storyline, and no spoilers saying he stays.
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38. "Robert"
everyone keeps saying that MB wouldn't let a tribe lose three IC's in a row, but in S2 ogakor lost IC's 2, 3, and 4, putting kucha at a 7-5 advantage... i think MB would allow a three-loss streak, but not right off the bat... notice how in E3 in africa, while boran was having their streak of bad luck, the IC was that "signal the plane" re-run from SI... it's a totally subjective challenge with no real criteria for judging a winner... IMO, after maraamu loses the RC, MB realizes that he needs to bring in the helicopter and drop a crate with the immunity idol on their side of the island regardless of how bad their distress signal is, just to keep things somewhat balanced... so i predict a rotu RC win and a maraamu IC win...

now, when it comes to the bootee, kathy is much too obvious a choice for the ouster... people argue that the she's been too much of a b#### towards her team, but when you look back to past survivors, the s##t-disturbers from the first few episodes always stay around for a while... SI: richard... S2: jerri and keith... S3: tom and clarence... i think this means that kathy's safe for a while... robert, on the other hand, is sick and apparently gets badly hurt... if he's forced to sit out another challenge, i think the tribe will realize that he's not a neccessity... and in the vein of the previous love tribes (ie. kucha) i think it'll be a unanimous vote...

alternative: gina... and i say good riddance... go home and eat a sandwich crews... you look worse than calista!

happy spoiling y'all!


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39. "Sarah"
She does nothing, except for Rob. ;)
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40. "Robert..."
No Kathy or Gina in previews makes me think they are safe.
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41. "Kathy"
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42. "kathy"
b/c MB will favor mamamoo.

Thanks to swami for his efforts.

King

0 for 2,

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43. "Gina"
I think the Rob, Sarah, Sean and Vee alliance will hold up for at least another tribal council and I don't think they are stupid enough to vote for Hunter. They need still need him. So, buh-bye Gina.
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44. "Kathy"
I figure if I keep voting for her I will be correct eventually. She can't actually win, can she?
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45. "Kathy"
Since I don't have enough info to make an informed decision on this. I really don't know which tribe will go to TC and who will be voted out. But since Kathy is the one I would like to see go I will vote for her and hope I'm right.
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46. "Sarah"
Maraamu becomes the first tribe ever to lose the first three ICs and decides to eject the weakest link in the fleeting hope of perhaps making it to merge equal.
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47. "Vote totals so far...."
This is post #47, summarizing 46 votes. Quite a race between the irritating Kathy and the irritating Sarah ... but there's good logic out there for just about everyone to go, even John (see diamond's post above).

Kathy.......20
Sarah.......14
Robert.......5
Hunter.......3
Gina..........2
Neleh........1
John.........1
Rob..........UTR
Sean........UTR
Vee..........UTR
Paschal.....UTR
Zoe..........UTR
Gabriel......UTR
Tammy.....UTR (well, of course she's UTR -- she's gonna win! )

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48. "ROBERT"
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-02 AT 09:26 AM (EST)

First Robert was too ill to particapate in last weeks RC.

Now Robert gets a foot wound. John also has a wound to his hand. The two injuries are different. John will be able to continue doing many of the required tasks even with only one hand. Robert on the otherhand will need time to rest his foot. He won't be able to run on it and can't walk on it too much.

Couple the foot injury and the illness from last week and I don't see how Robert can continue.

Also, I believe Robert kiss to Kathy is as he says farewell to his tribe.

As for Kathy, she is the Frank of Survivor 4. Every week, they show Kathy is irritating and not meshing well with her tribe but I just see her lasting like Frank did. Besides it's too obvisious. Hasn't Burnett been beating us over the head with it? If she were going I don't believe Burnett would beat the dead horse.

Alternate Sara. People forget Sean and Vee voted for her two weeks ago and last week they switched with Hunter and Gina. Sarah is not good with anyone (except Rob). I'd pick Sara but think her team will win immunity because to save the game someone from Rotu must go.

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49. "Kathy"
Hey, why not pick the favorite?

"Them people had to be pretty dumb to make their camp in a riverbed." - Rudy Boesch

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50. "Kathy the Whiner"
About time!
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51. "Kathy"
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-02 AT 11:40 AM (EST)

edit to say that I changed my mind. Can't change the title, but I'm voting for Robert of Rotu. He's a liability and not an asset, and it's Rotu's turn to go to TC.

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52. "Sarah"
LAST EDITED ON 03-12-02 AT 06:56 PM (EST)

Rotu will win one more then the buck stops there...Sarah will be gone...Sean + Vee (voted for her two weeks ago), Gina and Hunter (voted last week) will vote her off.

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53. "Paschal"
Although I wish they could vote off Jiffy. He's bugging me.
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54. "Sarah"
I've picked her because of the amount of votes cast against her so far, and because it looks as if Maraamu just might lose immunity for the third time in a row.

Swami - your summary was so funny and clever I had my sister read it. This is a big deal, as we're in a "friendly family constest", and I'm risking revealing all of my secret spoiling information! I just couldn't keep such an entertaining article to myself.

And janisella, you made me laugh. It would really be fun to eventually see a Survivor Outtakes video where Probst at TC reads aloud his own name over and over...

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55. "Robert"
If EPM lets the Moomoos lose another, he's dumber than I think he can possibly be. And, although it is probably Kathy, I can't stand the obviousness of it all.

Robert has been pitifully ill and/injured since like day 2. And I haven't seen picture evidence of him having close friends to bring him along. (Yah, yah, they're all close ... it's just unnatural I tell you.)

And as for my tiny slip up on week one and my response, I only took my medicine like a man would. 'Cept I'm not a man, just a simple female-type person. So all of you who have been congratulating this regular guy, um ......

<snip>

>See how
>TechNoir behaved himself last week?
>You know why? Discipline, that's
>why. Kudos to TechNoir for
>taking the beating so well!
>Yay TechNoir!

Well thank you but that would be HERSELF


60 Pixel Series, No. 2

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56. "Kathy"
Since no one on Rotu said it: I'll have to: "Way to go, Kath!" I had a giant explanation of who would vote for who and why, but the window it was in was accidentally closed (Stupid shoot the duck ads!) So I'll leave you with only my alternate pick of Gina and my sub-Rotu and sub-Maraamu alternate picks, Robert and Hunter, respectively. Happy voting!
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57. "RE: Hunter"
I'm going with Mara going for tribal suicide here and cancelling off McGyver Hunter. From the Godfather clue, it just seems that Mara is going to TC for the third time. Sean's jealousy seemed to be consuming him and Sarah's floatation devices seemed to be consuming Rob.
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58. "Kathy (big dumb reasons included...free)"
First: Who goes to TC and why?

Flipping a coin 40 times and getting 40 heads in a row are pretty slim. But if you flip a coin 39 times and get heads each time, the odds that the next flip will result in heads is 50%, yup- and that is our situation - R or M go to TC? 50-50 odds. But MB don't roll dice, and he can't dictate the outcome - but he can nudge it. Forget the SOS and other subjective suggestions - just put them in a foot race or aerobic challenge - Paschal/Kathy should weigh them down - the mars have the youth challenge. Viewers know this and so that is why we have not seen any IC footage (pun not intended). So Rotu goes to TC.

Second: Why Kathy?

It is obvious for reasons I have not seen posted (although that does not mean someone has not posted it...). Kathy and her dramantics have been highlighted in ep1 and ep2 because that is good TV and that is the big story over at Rotu - no evil MB at work here.
Now to see evil MB at work visualize scenario #1: Kathy is NOT booted in ep3. If this was true then MB would want you to think she is booted in ep3, how?, by showing SOMETHING negative about her in the preview.
Now scenario #2: Kathy IS booted in ep3. Well, don't focus on anything neg about her in preview.

Simply stated, it is the absence of negative footage about a negative person that makes her boot a positive (...does that even make sense?...). Is this the same as the OFG theory? who knows, I don't pretend to understand the OFG theory. My reasoning for Kathy going this ep is not tied to the Universal Laws of Gravity - it is specific to the combo of Kathy, MB, the Rotus not being at TC yet and a mole on my toe.

Heisenbergly Uncertainly Yours, BI

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59. "Kathy"
For the reasons discussed in this thread, I believe that the next person booted from Maraamooo will be Hunter. But I can't see Hunter being booted right now, with Maraamooo already down two people. Thus, I think Rotu will finally head to TC.

I think MB's shot at misdirection for the week was showing us the sea urchin stings and trying to get us to believe that Robert has to leave for medical reasons. But I think the truth is that this is another Kimmi gimme: the obvious person goes. That person is Kathy. Bye-bye!

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60. "Kathy"
Because I have dreamt of voting her out every week so far.

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Why are you looking at me? Stop looking at me. I said, STOP -- wait, what? OK, never mind.

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61. "Hey Kathy..."
...it's time for you to go!
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62. "Hunter"
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-02 AT 03:18 AM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 03-13-02 AT 02:54 AM (EST)

Sound unlikely? Not to me, but hey ... I'm a fat-assed wombat!

WE can all go "What the Hey?? How dumb!!" at the tactics ... But things are getting personal, and Sair-Bare almost got 'hunted'.

Or else, the strong, good-for-lots-o'things woman (Gina) will go, as opposed to 'workaholic', good-for-one-thing woman (Sarah). This would punish/p*ss-off Huntsman just as much.

This tribe is just too S-M-R-T!

Can we all say 'tribicide'?


Edited - to add Gina as the alternative sacrifice *grimace*


"If there are two or more ways to do something and one of those results in a catastrophe, then someone will do it that way". - US Air Force Captain Edward A. Murphy Jr. (The ORIGINAL Murphy - see http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/trek/4wd/crash.htm )

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63. "Robert"
It's seems to me highly likely Robert of Kathy get the ax.

I think injured trumps annoying.

I don't care how much sweet pee Neleh can generate, Robert's foot will make him a challenge liability. So I'm saying Robert finds himself on on The Loser Cruiser before Kathy.

(my vote virtually assures now that Robert stays)

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64. "John"
Because I like Diamond's theory and don't have much else to go on.

strone & RobinHood, GTMike & literock, Webby... especially Webby... tsk, tsk. And boy, do I see violators for next week. Mwahahahahahaha!

And thanks for the summary, Swami. Most excellent.


Song: Rob the Builder!
Rob: Can I touch them?
Song: Rob the Builder!
Sarah: Yes, you can!

Criminals From the Neck Up

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65. "Vote Totals So Far"
This is post #65, summarizing 63 votes. Looks like we're pushing for Kathy for the second week in a row. We gonna be wrong twice in a row? Hope not.

Kathy.......28
Sarah.......16
Robert.......8
Hunter.......5
Gina.........2
John.........2
Neleh........1
Paschal......1
Rob..........UTR
Sean.........UTR
Vee..........UTR
Zoe..........UTR
Gabriel......UTR
Tammy........UTR

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68. "Robert"
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-02 AT 10:12 AM (EST)

I think his injury will probably cause his boot.

Gerbees

EDITED TO ADD THAT I CAN'T BELIEVE I JUST REPLIED TO THE TALLY, I DIDN'T REALIZE I DID, OOPS!

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66. "ROBERT"
See Krautboy's arguments on the SOTS thresd page. He makes a lot of good points there.

I'm distrustful of all the attention dumped on Kathy, it seems like there's so much focused on her that she couldn't be such an obvious first boot from Rot-u. Robert has been prominently shown with one ailment after another, it might make sense that the tribe take pity on him and kick him out so he can recover on the boat.

If it's a Moomoo boot, then Hunter may seem like the logical choice due to his being a major threat to the Sean/Vee/Sarah/Rob alliance that we saw last week. I'm hoping, though, that this is just an one-time deal, but we'll find out tonight. Sarah and Gina are also boot possibilities.

If it's not Robert, then Kathy is the leading possibility for a boot in Rot-u.

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67. "Robert!"
Well I have two from two so far and I didn't even enter the competition *L* Dammit!
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69. "robert"
just cuz I'm ignorant
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70. "Robert"
Ok here is the reasoning. The raft pics are from the RC. The title "No Pain, No Gain" is likey a RC reference and not an IC reference. The Rotu tribe although in pain will gain the reward once again.

The IC though will be stacked against them. I am convinced MB will find a way to slant it in the Maraamu's favor, and in the end Rotu will visit TC for the first time.

So who is it? Kathy is the most obnoxious, and I'm not shying away from her because it is obvious. What I look at more it the fact the Rotu is the self-proclaimed love tribe. For the most part all of these people seem to like one another. An injured member though will not be helpful, and even more so one that requires more sustenance in order to be better. Our hint was the sickness talk from last week, so in a mercy killing of sorts Robert will be the first evictee. Kathy may get a couple of warning votes but in this case the weak/sick will be removed before the obnoxious.

-ICB

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71. "Sarah"
I really have no idea--but that is who I think deserves to leave the most (which probably means she is very very safe). If Kathy gets the boot, I will be annoyed because I picked her last week. I hate when I pick someone one week and they get booted the next week but I was dumb enough to vote from someone else that second week.

I could really see it being a lot of different people this week--this is a real tough one.

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72. "Sarah"
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-02 AT 09:35 AM (EST)

Alternate pick: Gina

I think the episode title tells us that the team with no pain does not gain. I think Neleh is the sweet-pee who provides the unusual assistance to her injured tribemate.

I do not think the Sean/Vee/Rob/Sarah alliance is a firm one -- I think they just all agreed to get rid of Patricia. Gina has been more useful to the challenges compared to Sarah, so I see Hunter and Gina able to convince Sean and Vee to vote with them this time. Vee will be the easier sell, and Sean will put his alpha male urges aside to do what he thinks will prevent the tribe's complete annihilation. He doesn't like Hunter, but he needs Hunter's strength in the challenges for his own survival.

I think Rob's strategy discussion from last time was very telling. Sarah is a vote in his pocket (among other things in his pocket), but he needs to make the decision on whether to stick with Sean or Hunter. I think Sean would be willing to go after Sarah this time because he thinks that Rob would choose him, and that would give Sean a 3-2 alliance...and the all-important core of 3 he could go to the end with.

edited to add a quick "Shame on you!" to all of last time's thread violators

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73. "Sarah"
There really isn't much to go with this week... last week there were at least those photos of the Fafaru challange (which I saw too late anyway). Then there was the episode name and the preview that I saw as too obvious indicators of Patricia's boot to take them seriously. And even if I didn't give much credit to the TP spoiler talking about two bootee from two different tribes in the two first episodes.

But based on the little bits of information I've seen I think that 1) The episode name refers to the fact that though Rotu is deeply in pain, they will pull the 3rd consequitive IC victory 2) Next episode's "Wind's Twist" refers to the first Maraamu victory after some precious help from MB 3) Even the stupidest Maraamu should realize that at this point they should vote off their mentally and physically weakest link (I think two of them, Vee, and Sean with her, has been doing that all along). Sarah contributes the less to the tribe, so she must go, regardless of the personal symphaties and antiphaties 4) Preview's Hunter-Sarah comfrontation might be either from the night after the last TC, in which case it would contribute to her eventual boot or from later on, when they have decided that Sarah must go 5) Pat (punch intended) may be one bitter ex-contestant, but they can actually come pretty handy. Last season I basicly knew Ethan would be in final two after reading and hearing what Brandi and especially Kelly had to say about him and how they said it. So she will definitely see Sarah in the looser's lodge, since she didn't have a chance to bond with Fric that much in the camp.

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74. "Gina"
Gina
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75. "Robert"
And I'm feeling ornery today, so no one gets either praise OR a tongue-lashing. *grin*
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76. "Gina"
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-02 AT 10:49 AM (EST)

Not a lot to go on this week. Or too much, I'm not sure which. I am resorting to my gut, which says it's time for a surprise. The biggest surprise of all would be a third straight Rotu IC victory.

I don't underestimate MB's capacity for manipulation. But we've seen NOTHING of the IC this week, leading to a massive group conclusion that it's time for the SOS challenge. This is where I start thinking about hollowness.

So Gina, based on a theory that the Dopey/Sean/V/Princess Funbags alliance will hold for a week, the outrageous sexism of Sean and Dopey, and Gina's inability to shut her bloody mouth. My alternate Rotu pick is John, who's gotten tremendous amounts of face and is a whiny beeyotch anyway.

Props to Swami. Slings and arrows to violators, except Webby, who can do whatever the heck he wants in a voting thread. In fact, Webby, would you mind terribly jumping in and interrupting this thread, for any reason that appeals to you?

Finally...and dangerously...jeers to Supe for not reading enough of last week's voting threads to realize that Technoir is not blessed with a Y chromosome. That right, kiddies. It takes clangers to take on The Man of Steel. And Vampy, for that matter. Sadly, I haven't got those, I'm just an idjit.


Bold prediction: Maryland over Siena by at least one point.

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77. "Robert"
All RC & IC (except the fafaru) have been water-based so far. MB is due to throw out a land-based challenge. Mara are all young & healthy, they can run, climb, swing--whatever--faster & further than the Rotu (Kathy is 47, Judge 57, Robert sick & foot-injured.) If it is a maze, which seems likely to me since no one has to sit out, then Hunter's pilot instincts & skills will carry the Mara.

So Rotu goes to TC for first time.

Kathy is way obvious--she is being shoved down our throats like Lindsay was. Too obvious. She does have a role as food provider. She nagged the tribe into improving their shelter for which they could be very grateful if the mentioned rain finally arrives. She stays.

Between John & Robert, Robert seems more likely to go. He is not hunting & gathering like the rest of the tribe. He brings no strength to the challenges so far. His only buddy (as hinted at in early vidcaps) is Tammy. Tammy is shown this week saying things can change in a minute around here. Perhaps in giving Robert his good-bye face time, Tammy also gets some over-due face time herself. John has been fishing (whence his sea urchin sting), working hard, had the idea in last weeks RC to flip the sunken boat, is strong on land & in water--he is more valuable to the tribe. Bye-bye Robert.

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78. "Robert"
Excellent summary Swami! Robert hasn't seemed to contribute much to his team so far, and I think that his lack of energy and injury are his pink slip.
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79. "Robert"
I agree that Kathy is just too obvious...
Haven't had a chance to read the summary but I'm sure it's great..
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80. "Robert"
Tough call this week... They've really been setting up Kathy to be the first Rotu Rooted out, which makes me wonder if we're going to have to put up with her a bit longer.

Maraamuu is falling apart, but it wouldn't be the first time a clusterf*ck of a tribe has managed to hold it together. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then. But if somehow they do go to TC this week, it's a virtual tossup between Hunter and Gina. I'm leaning toward Gina though. Sarah is just too much of the key to Rob's loyalty to vote off right now.

- Dark Lotus

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81. "Robert"
I don't know why. Just going out on a limb.
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82. "Kathy......"
this just seems the most logical. Of course, I thought so last week as well. She is the outsider, and they have to lose immunity sooner or later.
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83. "Robert"
I too think injury trumps annoying. Robert has been useless the whole game so far...at least Kathy works
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84. "Robert"
TC votes out the sick/wounded, if his tribe gets there.
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85. "Kathy"
I find myself in the same situation as last week, stuck between two, so I flipped a coin, heads Kathy and tails Robert...
it was heads so we'll see I guess...

Alternate is Gina if Maraamu goes to tribal council...

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86. "Kathy"



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87. "Robert"
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88. "Kathy"
****
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89. "Vote Totals So Far...."
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-02 AT 04:47 PM (EST)

There's been a big surge in votes for Robert, no doubt influenced by Krautboy's persuasive argument on the SOTS thresd.

This is post 89, with 86 votes cast to date:

Kathy -- 32
Robert -- 22
Sarah -- 19
Hunter -- 5
Gina -- 4
John -- 2
Neleh -- 1
Paschal -- 1

Tammy, Vee, Sean, Rob, Zoe and Gabriel are all UTR.

With our luck... it'll be one of the UTR folks who get booted tonight!

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90. "Hunter"
Maraamu wouldn't be so stupid to get rid of such a strong player when they're already down two would they? Yeah and Colby wouldn't give away $900,000 over a friendship of 40 days.
I do not know if this has been commented on in these boards but Hunter's targeting of Sarah last week was absolutely Lex stupid play. And just because Lex got away with it through luck, other people being dumber, intimidation and winning immunities doesn't mean it will happen again. Hunter actually asked a dim, New England construction worker to think strategically instead of with his **ck. And then he figured he had a backup because Sean/Vee voted for Sarah the previous week, so hey its locked in, even though Sean views me as The Man, has not once followed my lead, has a lot of pride and is 'representin'.
What can he do now?
-target Sarah and hope Sean, Vee votes with him, Gina. Again i do not think Sean will vote with Hunter this game unless it's Seans idea.
-target Sean or Vee. I don't think Sarah will let Rob forgive Hunter/Gina for kicking them out of their clique.
Reason and logic only work when there is something in it for the people you are asking to be reasonable, logical. And sometimes it doesn't even work then when you're asking them to compromise a personal, core value on national TV.
So why Hunter and not Gina? Hunter's the front man of their alliance and i could see him taking a bullet for Gina if it becomes obvious one of them is going. Also, if this weeks IC is the 'distress signal' challenge and there's a power struggle on what to build and Hunters idea for the signal loses them the challenge...

or rotu loses IC and this is put off for a week or MB's unlikely alliance is a truce between Sean, Hunter or or or. That is why this show is so fascinating to watch.

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91. "Kathy"
I think it probably will be a Maraamu victory at IC but we haven't seen enough of Rotu to get a good sense of alliances and such. I believe Kathy would be out because she's older and already irritated a bunch of people in her tribe. My alternate Maraamu pick is Gina.
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92. "Kathy"
Alternate pick: Robert, due to illness and injury. John seems to be the only other Rotu at risk this week, but he has better social skills even if he has been a bit inept at the providor role so far.

Should Maraamu go to TC again, almost everyone is at risk except Rob, because they'll get rid of Sarah before they get rid of him. It comes down to which couple Vecepia and Sean would side with, which is hard to call since Vecepia would probably be inclined to go with Hunter and Gina, but Sean seems to view Great White Hunter as his greatest threat. Possibly they would take different sides but hold to their agreement to not vote against each other, which would put Hunter and Sarah into a tie. If that happens Hunter should win the trivial pursuit challenge unless the airhead catches another lucky break. Gina the Nature Guide would probably not be the target if there is a possibility of it coming down to the trivial pursuit challenge, but you never know.

Yay, TechNoir! tsk tsk tsk strone, RobinHood, GTMike, literock .... and Webby??? Supes must be pulling our legs with that one.

WTG, Swami, that was a rockin' summary!


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93. "Gina"
Just a guess...

Thanks Swami!

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94. "Robert"
His injuries and weakness will plague the Rotu tribe and cost them the IC.
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95. "SEAN"
Least likely, hey why not!

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96. "Robert !!!!"
My gut tells me Hunter, but I am going against it and voting for the injured player. We barely knew ye !!!!

Strone, RobinHood, GTMike, LiteRock .... COME AND TAKE YOUR MEDICINE !!!!!

Swami

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97. "Hunter"
alt pick Kathy. Just going with my gut feeling following the playing out of Ep.2. The players have almost never made the strategic maneuver over the emotional maneuver. So I expect the M's to get all involved and revengeful.

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98. "Robert"
I was on an unplugged vacation for the first two weeks of this Survivor, so haven't seen any of it.

So, this is a plain old guess!

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99. "Robert"
He's the weakest link, and Rotu is due.

**Fawning and taunting to all who deserve so**

JAVA (Thanks for the shout out, Supe! Grandpa says hi!)

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100. "Robert"
with his illness and his apparent injury, he seems to be a liability to his tribe.

Read Krautboy's post in SOTS and it explains it all beautifully.

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101. "Robert"
For reasons stated by others.

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102. "Hunter"
Because I think Gina will do some backstabbing...
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103. "Robert"
I have been torn over this one. I would love to see Kathy go, but I am betting Robert's injury, coupled with being sick, will lead to his downfall.

Alternate pick if Maraamu loses is Hunter. It makes no strategic sense, but look at the Bozos in this tribe!

A big shout out to Swami for a great summary!!!

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104. "Vee"
After losing a third straight immunity challenge, they will not get rid of a guy. with Robe protecting Sarah, the couples alliance gets rid of Vee
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105. "Robert"
The vid caps from this week suggest that Robert or john goes due to injury. They showed last week that Patrica was in trouble, and she was, so i'll go with the obvious choice from the vidcaps and say that the OFG theory that worked so well last year has been discovered by MB, and he is trying to fool us with the obvious this season.

Swami, I am still laguing at that Sum...
Naked

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106. "John.........."
for Rotu or, if by some chance Marramu goes AGAIN to the vote Gina(I think that is why the Hunter/Gina romance will not develop any more b/c she gets kicked off and Hunter makes it to the merge! ----- I hope anyway!)

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107. "Robert"

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108. "Robert"
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-02 AT 05:18 PM (EST)

Based on, among other things, the excellent SOTS: Episode 3 and Krautboy's expert analysis, I feel Rotu will lose the IC and Robert will go. My alternate would be Gina.

Props to Swami. You go girl!

I am too afraid of messing up myself to tease much, but I am glad we have a new crop of offenders this week that I might reprimand next week.

edited because I have an itchy post finger and I was not finished.

"Destined for Greatness!"

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109. "Robert"
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-02 AT 05:17 PM (EST)

Edited to add: Thanks Swami! Excellent work!

As Tammy said..."Out here things can change just like that..."

Rotu finally loses a Challenge, Robert is injured, and Kathy is no longer the first choice...sorry Robert, "no pain, no gain".

Krautboy

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110. "Kathy"
Gonna have to go with the rest of the kiddies.....
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111. "Kathy"
I think the Robert is sick/injured stuff is a red herring. Remember in the Outback when Deb wanted to get Jeff voted off because he had been ill? Kucha saved the sick guy and went after Deb, the misfit.

I see Rotu winning the RC, which I think will be the raft race. They're stronger in the water.

Marammu wins first IC (whatever that might be) and Kathy is toast, although MB will make us think Robert is in trouble.

There, finally! I've been stressing on this for two days. Enough already!


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112. "Robert"
But I'm hoping Sean goes this week
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113. "Hunter"
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-02 AT 05:39 PM (EST)

1. The most important thing to spoil is the IC. I was desperately hoping for some Early Show pics or other stuff to show us what the IC will be. It might be an S.O.S., but it could also be a maze, or an obstacle course. Hollow Theory: MB wants to surprise his normal audience, and deceive us spoilers. A third straight Maraamu loss would achieve that.

But the show titles got to me. The fourth one "Winds Of Change", sounds like an unimaginative replay of S-III, and could mean many things. But Occam's Razor, and the third and fourth show titles taken together suggest the simplest solution to me: that Rotu pulls out the IC this time, and Maraamu pulls out the next one.

2. If it were Rotu in TC, then Kathy or Robert are the likely boots. OFG Theory suggests Robert because Kathy is virtually unseen in the previews for this week. But I think it's Maraamu, where Hunter, Gina and Sarah are the most likely candidates. My first thought was that it would be a tie vote between Gina and Sarah. But Gina only got one "moon" shot in the previews. Hunter, however, was clearly agitating Sarah. Also, I remember Dicque's commentaries on S-II: It is social skills that win and lose Survivor. Hunter agitated Rob last time, and Sean doesn't like Hunter as it stands. The "Water Boy" scene still is fresh in my mind.

In lion prides, two males will often collude and drive out the Alpha Male, then share the harem. Also, the real secret to MB, using the Hollow Theory, is telling the difference between when he's leading us AWAY from the truth, and when he's trying to sneak that truth in under our noses. The See-BS site and many of Patricia's interviews that speak so highly of Hunter. And Hunter has not been shown in the glaring light that Kathy, Sarah, John and Robert have been. Shades of Carl and Jessie in S-III, Hunter is just on that edge of our consciousnesses.

3. Last, and certainly not least, is the Varner-X discussion posted by shakestheclown and confirmed by Webby. Maybe I'm falling for a cheap trap, but combined with everything else, it seems huge.

Lastly, I think Rotu characters will be strongly developed this show, since they haven't been the last two shows. And THAT will be MB's in-show misdirection, which he frequently does to keep us on our seats for about 45 minutes. See the show with Frank's dismissal in S-III for an analogous situation.

Swami, come on in and join me in the Summary Lodge. Kick up your feet, enjoy a smooth beverage, and reflect on a job WELL DONE.


*** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

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114. "Vote total so far..."
This is post #114, with 110 votes cast to date:

Kathy......36
Robert.....34
Sarah......20
Hunter......9
Gina.........5
John.........3
Neleh........1
Paschal.....1
Vee..........1

Sean, Rob, Tammy, Zoe and Gabriel are all UTR.

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115. "Robert"
Kathy seems too obvious. And I don't think that MB will let the Moomoos lose another challenge.
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116. "Robert"
based entirely on krautboy's fantastic analysis...
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117. "Robert"
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-02 AT 06:19 PM (EST)

I've been gong back and forth quite a bit between Kathy and Robert. diamond's John argument was pretty persuasive too. Honestly, few boots tonight would surprise me.

Krautboy's arguments tipped the scale for me. Plus, I don't remember seeing the tribe have much interaction with either Robert or Kathy. We've seen Kathy irritating her tribe, but we haven't seen Robert being a part of the big love fest either.

If it comes down to a choice between 2 tribemates that you don't have ties to, do you choose the one that does the grunt work and provides food even though she is annoying or do you choose the quiet voodoo dude who is sick, weak and now injured?

I'd pick Robert.

editted to say: thanks for the wonderful summary Swami - you hit it over the fence sweetoe!

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118. "Hunter"
Based on the fact that in the previews he is shown a lot and the Varner theory.

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119. "Robert"
(See Krautboy's breakdown....lol how many posts say this? ;)

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Now let us never speak of S3 again.

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120. "Hunter"
After thinking about this most of today, I have to agree with Dawg's reasons. Although a 3rd straight tribal council would devastate Maraamu's chances of survival after the merge, I think it might actually happen.

I especially think that the Varner story has some merit.

If I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.

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121. "Robert"
OK, as everyone knows this was a hard week. I have decided to let Krautboy influence me. But I'd also like to say that I really liked diamond's John story. And if Kathy goes, I'm really going to kick myself.

Swami, I haven't read the summary yet. I also haven't read Dawg's summary yet. I am SO far behind!

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122. "A-HUNTER-he-will-go..."
Alternate Robert.
I find Krautboy's argument very persuasive; I simply have no real evidence as to who wins IC.

Next episode, "The Winds Twist," which I believe may indicate a twist involving Mara as early as Ep 4. If the tribes were 7-6 in Ep 4 Burnett would have waited to see if they evened up for a swap in Ep 5, but if one tribe is down 3 despite his best efforts to throw them an IC, then he might well initiate a twist.

I basically agree with what Survivin Dawg said above--and probably others (blame my short term memory loss).

Although AyaK thinks Kathy this time and Hunter the next, I see a Hunter boot next time as anticlimactic; the strong male leader surprise boot factor will be gone if they play it up this week. So if Hunter went next time, I think MB would have saved the shots of the drama.

In addition, I just watched the CBS videos from Ep 2:

1) Sarah says it's better to have one less athletic person than one who brings down the tribe's energy. At that time she means Sean.

2) Sean and Hunter walk on the beach and Sean TRIES to explain to Hunter why he thinks they are losing challenges--not enough down time and no energy left. We've heard Sarah express this philosophy too. Hunter basically refused to listen; he said, hey, I feel great and ready to go. Well, to quote Brandon on Frank: "not everyone's like you" Hunter.

I now see a twisted logic that would cause Mara to boot their biggest challenge asset. Sean, Rob, and Sarah believe Hunter is overworking the team on camp duty and causing them to lose from fatigue, and after 6 straight challenge losses (potentially), it would be time to fire the coach, right?

Whereas if Rotu loses and boots Robert, Hunter will be somewhat vindicated and safer next time--

yet there is the Varner spoiler, Tricia and the promo's praise of him (get it in while you can, CBS, cause your all-American hero is history), and Peter's comment about a strong person boot being likely plus his implied dig that his tribe will not succeed in getting to the merge with good numbers because they ignored Peter's idea of keeping the strong.

All of these point to Hunter going soon, so when better than after a third straight defeat? Yes, they could vote Gina out, but what does that do to keep Hunter from running the Boot Camp task patrol and spoiling the beach party? Nothing.

Alternately, this is all hogwash and the love tribe makes a dead weight/injury boot. Or it's Kathy or Sarah--who both deserve a swift kick!

"the fascination of what's difficult..."--W.B. Yeats

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123. "Robert"
Damn it all. . . I've been waiting all day for some IC footage, and it looks like ET is giving us BUPKIS! Krautboy had me convinced several hours ago, he did okay by me for the most part previous seasons, so seems the safest bet.

Alternate? Hunter. . . but those MooMoos would have to be INCREDIBLY stoopid to vote that badly. . . Or maybe Kathy? Nawww. . . too obvious.


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125. "Kathy"
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-02 AT 07:29 PM (EST)

...it's time for an obvious one

The entire episode will focus on her redemption, and the weakness of Robert (and John's injury)... and then Kathy will go.

RC: Rotu.

EDITED TO NOTE: A pop-up jumped up right as I was clicking enter... and apparently somehow that caused my vote to go through twice (DAMN POP-UPS!!!)

Anyway, I deleted post #123 which had a bunch of gibberish, so if you're looking for it for hte vote tallies, it doesn't exist.


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126. "KATHY"

Geez, it looks like I'm going to have to try and beat off all these Johnny-come-lately ROBERT voters just to be able to log a KATHY vote

Seriously this is about as close as you can get to a toss-up, see the below for my full thoughts:

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/2379.shtml

Nice summary Swami... and look, I didn't even violate the rules this week!

-SB

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127. "Hunter"
Although part of me thinks it could be Gina...
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128. "Robert"
Sigh. Tough week, are they going to get any easier?

No face time - well, he hasn't done anything but be sick and miss challenges. Now he's hurt. He needs too much food. Rotu must lose an IC. Blah blah blah, I could make an argument for others too.

Would be nice to be right, for whatever reason!

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129. "HUNTER"
HUNTER
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130. "Vote totals so far..."
This is post #130, with 124 votes cast to date. I wanted to post here to commemorate the changing of the leader. Unfortunately, there are good reasons to believe that Robert, Kathy or Hunter is this week's victim -- and Mark Burnett chose to give us NOTHING to help us decide. So...:

Robert.....41
Kathy......38
Sarah......20
Hunter.....14
Gina.........5
John.........3
Neleh........1
Paschal.....1
Vee..........1

Sean, Rob, Tammy, Zoe and Gabriel are still UTR.

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131. "Sarah"
Take your personal flotation devices and go home.


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132. "Hunter?"
DOn't have time to list all the reasons....but, with no idea who wins IC it comes down to a couple of things for me.

First there is the title to next week's ep, a twist in the wind...I think that in order for there to be a twist (either a tribal swap or Marlboro finally wins something) there must be a set up this week...ie, why would MB spring the swap on them this early unless it was necessary to bail out a tribe.

Plus, gonna ride Varner this week (that sounds sick) with little else to go on.

Alright, no time to expound.

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133. "ROBERT......"
Because Kathy (who I did vote for as bootee in the 1st episode) has had time to grow on people in her tribe and she's got food and fire and a shelter now so she can relax and not be such a pushy broad.....

Whereas Robert from day one has been a big NYC tatoo-man who has been "sickly", deprived of his protein (boo hoo), not exactly one of the tribe's big thinkers or doers....and now he gets HURT???

Boot him out of mercy or necessity; makes no nevermind. There are no Limos on the island and a sick/hurt/hungry male is excess baggage. Don't wait til he trips and falls into the fire!!!

Of course if Kathy IS the boot....I'm going to claim the same thing as Webby in his official pick (only in reverse).

Dalton
PS. While not necessary here; a truly great Summary like the one Swami wrote for E-2 deserves another YEAH BABE, WTG!!!

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134. "FINAL Vote Totals"
for archival purposes...

This is post #134, with 127 total votes cast

Robert.....42
Kathy......38
Sarah......21
Hunter.....15
Gina.........5
John.........3
Neleh........1
Paschal.....1
Vee..........1
Sean, Rob, Tammy, Zoe and Gabriel finish UTR.



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