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"Rubber Boat Discussion"
idiotcowboy 1135 desperate attention whore postings
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02-20-02, 01:48 AM (EST)
 
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"Rubber Boat Discussion" |
There has been some speculation on Swami's Out-rigger canoes v. swimming ashore thresd about the Survivor Marquesas poster that krautboy came across (below). In the poster there is a picture that shows a little rubber raft reflected in the shades of the guy pictured.
A blown up version of the little rubber boat that IceCat made is below. 
Now there was some discussion on this in that thread, but rather than have it get lost with the other discussions, I thought it might be useful to start it's own thresd. For starters there are two main options for what we are seeing here. One is that is comes from the show itself and would therefore have a certain amount of spoiler value, OR that it was completely fabricated for use in this ad. For sake of argument I am assuming that it is not just a promotional pic, and that sometime in the future we will see where this was taken and what it involves. Ok so if it is from the show, the first speculation is that perhaps we are seeing the arrival of the survivors to the island. A lot of the speculation on Swami's thread actually focused on this possibility, and that was the reason it was first posted on that thresd to begin with. I don't think that is what it is though. Primarily because there are not enough people on the boat. Now granted there might be someone behind someone else, but two someone’s seems a bit of a stretch to me, and since the only thing for sure is there are 6 people clearly shown I tend to believe that this is not the arrival (which does not mean they don't arrive in rubber boats, just that this in not the picture of them doing it). Ok the next big task is to determine who these people are and what they are doing if it is not arrival. To make this a little bit easier I have blown up the small raft picture a bit more and labeled the 6 clearly visible contestants for discussion purposes (A-F) below. 
Ok now lets look at each individual person. Person "A" - appears to be male, wearing a dark blue-black shirt, with a buff around his neck, and a possible baseball hat turned backwards on his head (back part of the bill visible behind head and raised oar of person "C"). Also could have right leg in the water for some reason. Person "B" - gender unknown, but may be wearing yellowish buff around head. Also appears to be wearing something orangish-red that resembles a life jacket. Person "C" - appears to be female, wearing a blue swimsuit or bikini top. Holding oar up and looking back perhaps at contestant "D" or perhaps something out of view like another boat. Could be wearing a buff around head, although the color is off if the same as the buff person "B" is wearing. Another buff option is on the exposed wrist. Person "D" - gender unclear, but could be African American due to relative darkness of the exposed skin as compared to others depicted in the boat. Holding up oar above head in a somewhat celebratory manner? Appears to have a buff similar to color of person "B" on right arm. May also be wearing a orangish red life preserver. Person "E" - gender unclear, wearing a blue shirt, and floppy brown hat. Appears to have the orangish-red life preserver on as well and a buff on the left wrist area. Person "F" - mostly obscured, although looks to have a life vest as well. From this I draw the following conclusions. This is likely not arrival because of the number of people. It is likely a challenge shot due to the buff's and person "D"'s celebratory stance. The tribe is Maraamu because the prevalent coloring on the buff is their yellowish-green color. Person "A" is likely Rob, Person "D" is likely Sean or V, and Person "E" is likely Patricia, due to clothing matches and general body descriptions. Person "C" I can't figure out as she looks more like a Rotu girl say Zoe or Tammy than Gina or Sarah, but that won't match up unless this is a post "swap" challenge (which it could well be given 6 people). Also on that same line of reasoning if it is post swap "E" could be Paschal. What do you think? -ICB
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FesterFan1 5947 desperate attention whore postings
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02-20-02, 10:52 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: Rubber Boat Discussion" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-20-02 AT 10:55 AM (EST)If we assume that this is Maraamu rowing to camp, then the picture to reference is this one in trying to figure out who's who. This photo was likely taken just before the tribes left to find their respective camps. 
Person "A" is definitely Rob. Hat and dark shirt are a perfect match. From the looks of it, I'd say person "B" is Sean. Same orange/red colored shirt and buff on the head. Person "C" is more than likely Sarah, as her top does not match Gina's top. In the cast photo, Sarah is wearing a white t-shirt. It's certainly possible that she has taken it off and wrapped it around her head. Person "D" is likely Vecepia, but the raft photo is very dark and it could possibly be someone else. Looking at the arms, person "D" is female, IMO. So, if it's not Vee, then it's probably Gina. Although, in the cast photo, Gina is wearing her buff on her head, person "D" is not. Person "E" is either Peter or Patricia. Both are wearing blue shirts in the cast photo. The hat (I believe everyone received a hat like this) shades the face completely, so no help there. Person "E" also appears to have his/her buff tied around his/her left arm like Patricia does in the cast photo. So I'm guessing that person "E" is Patricia. Person "F" looks male to my eye, which would mean it would have to be Hunter or Peter. He looks to have a dark, long-sleeve shirt on. In the cast photo, Peter has a dark, short-sleeve shirt and Hunter has a white long-sleeve shirt. If I had to guess, I'd say person "F" is Hunter. This begs the question, where are persons "G" and "H"? They could be hidden behind other people on the raft, but you'd think you'd be able to see at least a hint of them. I suppose it's possible that they are swimming along side, or are on a separate, smaller craft. Based on what we've heard about the "dangerous sea life", I would doubt that they are swimming (a la Richard in S1).  Fester
**Edited to add raft photo
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Swami 5885 desperate attention whore postings
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02-20-02, 02:30 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Rubber Boat Discussion" |
I still see seven people in this raft, so tell me where I am wrong.Three on the left A. B, & C could be Rob, Sean & Sarah as you have speculated. On the right, I see D, E, X & F. E looks like Patricia, D could be Vecepia. Behind Patricia, peering over her left shoulder is person X--a partial face, very pale with dark-looking hair. This person seems to be between Pat & Vecepia. X could be either Gina or Peter since all you can see of this person is a partial face. Then I see person F behind Vecepia, with wide shoulders, strong arm in dark shirt; dark hair, looking toward's Sarah--could be Hunter. What is the orange above F's left hand? I thought it was a partial life vest, but why would Hunter who is a strong swimmer wear a life vest when less strong swimmers are not? Does anyone else see 4 people on this side of the raft?  Swami
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MDSkinner 716 desperate attention whore postings
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02-20-02, 03:47 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Rubber Boat Discussion" |
>>Does anyone else see 4 people on this side of the raft? Yes I surely do see the fourth person on that side, in exactly the way you pointed him/her out. But I also see a 4th person on the left side of the raft, so I think that I am seeing 8 people here. Tell me if I am full of BS, but on the left side, right were Person A is, it looks to me like they have their paddle in the water, and that there is a second one right behind that paddle. To me this paddle does not appear to be coming from Person B in the back of the boat, who I would assume is steering the boat in some way from behind, but rather from someone who is closer to Person A and possible in front of person C. This may be a stretch, but that is the way I saw it the first time I saw this picture. I do actually think there are 8 people in the boat, so to me this does not have spoiler value at all. Of course, the picture is just about fuzzy enough that a person can see almost anything they want to, and I do not have the greatest eyes on the face of the earth.
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sleeeve 3456 desperate attention whore postings
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02-20-02, 08:04 PM (EST)
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8. "A few thoughts..." |
...first of all, I see six people, and no matter how I cross my eyes, two more don't emerge.That's fine, though... we've often had challenges that feature smaller groups of survivors, so this could still be the first challenge. If we argue that it's rowing to shore, I'm a little perplexed at the lack of supplies, although we heard that there wouldn't be many. Still, if it's rowing to shore, the other two contestants could easily be in the water with supplies that didn't fit in the raft, for example. As for the group shot used in comparison to the raft... We don't know for sure when the group shot was taken... it's possible if the contestants were responsible for rowing to thier own beaches that the cast photo might not be taken until the first challenge, for example. It also might have been taken 2-3 days before they were even stranded. For S2, the official cast photo was taken in front of the airplane, but if memory serves, the official S3 cast photo wasn't taken until right before the first challenge, and the S1 cast photo was taken in pre-production, so we have precident for all three. Anyway, I'm not sure what we can get out of this photo until we start to see challenge previews (oh... the dreaded "wait until" statement). As soon as we're able to place the rafts into a timeline, this thread will become a valuable starting point for our analysis. (And don't let that statement stop people from trying to analyze when you think this happens... It's just my personal opinion that this is challenge oriented.) 
You never know what might be up my sleeeve... 
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Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings
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02-20-02, 10:31 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: A few thoughts..." |
LAST EDITED ON 02-20-02 AT 10:37 PM (EST)
> If we argue that
>it's rowing to shore, I'm
>a little perplexed at the
>lack of supplies, although we
>heard that there wouldn't be
>many.
>
>Still, if it's rowing to shore,
>the other two contestants could
>easily be in the water
>with supplies that didn't fit
>in the raft, for example.
>
Sleeve, I think we have some evidence that might explain the supplies: 
Rotu’s supply crate…used as a table?
Maraamu’s supply crate (in the lower left corner)…used as a table
Tribephyl made the observation in the “Check out the table thread!” that both tribes have the same “table”, which could very likely have contained their supplies. These crates could have been waiting for them, “washed up” on shore or be buoyant enough to float (they might even have a styrofoam liner covered with bamboo). As you mention, the two people not in the picture could be swimming ahead as they get close to shore, or be escorting the floating crate, pulled behind the rubber raft… The paddle raised overhead, looks like a celebratory cheer...either upon seeing their Tribal Banner on the beach or upon seeing the two people who swam ahead arrive at their banner on the beach. I don’t think MB would use anything, "not part of the local culture", (like a rubber raft) for challenges after they arrive, so I’m of the opinion this has to be from the arrival…Day1.  Krautboy
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Swami 5885 desperate attention whore postings
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02-21-02, 10:20 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: A few thoughts..." |
LAST EDITED ON 02-21-02 AT 10:26 AM (EST)>I don’t think MB would use anything, "not part of the local culture", (like a rubber raft) for challenges after they arrive< A rubber raft is certainly not part of traditonal culture. However, I would guess it is a fairly common item in the current culture. Since these rafts are functional, cheap and easily portable they have many useful applications close to shore. I would be very surprised if they were not common in the Marquesas. Edited to add: Krautboy, where did you get this image from? If it is available in print somewhere I would be curious to see it. Swami
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings
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02-21-02, 05:35 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: A few thoughts..." |
I saw this photo as a full page ad in my Entertainment Weekly magazine. The photo is much clearer there.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings
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02-25-02, 10:37 AM (EST)
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19. "Initial arrival scene" |
I've come to that conclusion now as well, and we'll find out on Thursday.  From here they should have a short hike to get to their camp, possibly MB cut down on the time it would take them to reach camp so that they would have time, and he would get footage, of them dealing with having to get their fire, food and water."If all machines were to be annihilated at one moment, so that not a knife nor lever nor rag of clothing nor anything whatsoever were left to man but his bare body alone that he was born with, and if all knowledge of mechanical laws were taken from him so that he could make no more machines, and all machine-made food destroyed so that the race of man should be left as it were naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")
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NightScribe 761 desperate attention whore postings
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02-25-02, 02:53 PM (EST)
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22. "Yep, it's the arrival" |
Vidcaps posted on Survivorfever.net (courtesy of paratrooper) suggest this is indeed the raft used on arrival
<http://survivorfever.net/earlyshow_2_25.html>Just like in S1, they begin their trip on one boat: 
Then they're told to jump, (whether they salvage the boat for supplies this time or not is hard to tell, but I think so since there are supplies on the boat in the cap below)... 
They then swim to the black rubber boat where they will row to their camps.... 
in the above post, we see the arrival scene. Not so uncommon really to hug and greet your tribemates. I remember Gervase and Ramona embracing upon arrival at Pagong beach...They're just excited to be there.
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Lightmage81 225 desperate attention whore postings
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02-26-02, 08:48 AM (EST)
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24. "RE: Yep, it's the arrival" |
man.....looks like i have missed a lot since i last posted!@!!!
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