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"American Idol Rules Question......"
AshLanie 895 desperate attention whore postings
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03-29-07, 10:58 AM (EST)
 
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1. "RE: American Idol Rules Question......" |
>A friend of mine recently read
>that the producers of American
>Idol have the final say
>on everything. And if
>they want to change the
>outcome of who's going home,
>despite how America voted, they
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>Is this a written fact somewhere?
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>Tammy No idea but bet it isn't written anywhere that way the show can still make the viewers believe that their votes count.
I for one have never ever believe the votes counted....it was used to get the viewers to watch the show and to vote...more people who vote, more money fr the telephone company, more money AI can charge the telephone company for advertising space.
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cahaya 19891 desperate attention whore postings
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03-29-07, 11:41 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: American Idol Rules Question......" |
At this point, I'm fairly convinced that the votes are real and the boots are based on actual votes. If this were not true, it would completely kill the Idol show and concept, and that's far too greater a business risk than letting a mediocre singer get through. And Simon is a shrewd businessman.However, I will agree that there is a distortion in votes. This stems from the ability of some people (and organizations) to submit multiple votes, which skews the voting heavily towards the autodialers. As a result, whoever submits a single vote is underrepresented compared to people who submit multiple (autodialed) votes. We've seen that there are some reasonably reliable publicly available predictors of the votes, and Chris Sligh was clearly in trouble in terms of vote counts. Sanjaya got more votes than Chris Sligh simply because he has a bigger autodialing fan base (of individuals or organizations that support him). The only "fair" voting system is one vote per viewer (but then we get into the question of voting eligibility. One vote per phone? One vote per person or household member (of any age)? Not practical. That's why I don't bother to vote and don't put too much credence on the show producing the best performer as the American Idol.
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Snidget 44369 desperate attention whore postings
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03-29-07, 11:52 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: American Idol Rules Question......" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-29-07 AT 12:02 PM (EST)Even shows that limit voting to a few votes per person/phone line/email address run into the whole thing with someone who is popular outlasts someone who is good. I'm not sure limited voting prevents that. There are autodialers that are free for anyone to use and nothing is stopping people who want to vote for the person they think is the best from using them. On the "they can just do whatever they want and ignore all the votes" thing. I don't think they can do too much about that. Assuming they are under the same legal requirements as any game show. Usually the shows that seem to have producer intervention (and who always have that disclosure in the credits) are the ones that are done by judging only. The producers can tell the judges who to keep, and it is obvious sometimes they do so to keep a dramatic person on the show for ratings. There have been so many times on AI when someone who the producers obviously want to win gets voted out before the finale, or doesn't win the finale. Usually you can tell who they want to win based on excessive pimping. Like we see with Chris R. this season. They want him in the finale, but I don't know if the voters will let them. Just my two cents. ETA: http://www.americanidol.com/faqs/ which says "The producers reserve the right to remove any identified 'power dialing' votes." which may be what people are thinking of when they say the producers just do what they want. However, I still believe whatever proticol they use for that they need to get past the rules that prevent Game Show fraud. Although how you tell a computer from a tween that hits redial 3400 times in two hours I do not know.
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priestdi 378 desperate attention whore postings
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03-29-07, 11:57 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: American Idol Rules Question......" |
wow. how did you tap into my brain like that?totally agree with all of it. why on earth would any intelligent person (and as much as I dislike them, those producers are clearly quite sharp) risk the biggest profit-making machine in Hollywood for something with so few relative benefits? the scandal would kill the show when it came out. dead on arrival. all the stories I've heard over the years, from people who heard fourth-hand about the conspiracy from some "insider," just prove that they couldn't keep that a secret forever. If those stories were true, they'd be exposed by now.
Simon and Clive et al are the ones to benefit from which individual wins the title. Not the people with theoretical control over the vote counts.
Trying to get a few percentage points more of the audience, by controlling who's still on the show, just isn't a believable business move, in my mind anyway.
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Fishercat 4168 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-07, 02:24 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: American Idol Rules Question......" |
They do have the rights, however, to throw out "power voting". Now, what determines that...I don't know.
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geekboy 1788 desperate attention whore postings
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03-29-07, 02:21 PM (EST)
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8. "Why....??" |
Why must this question about 'its all a conspiracy and rigged' come up so dang often.Do you people REALLY think that this show would be this popular, and get the ratings it does AFTER 6 SEASONS, and yet there have been absolutely ZERO leaks from people in-the-know that it is all rigged? Do you really think that is possible? Trust me - if the show was rigged, it would have been leaked by now. I know a whole bunch of regulars on here disagree with me and believe it is, but ... Here are a couple facts... * Chris Sligh was voted off because he got the least number of votes this week. Not because of his humor and/or comments.
* Chris Daughtry was voted off last season because he got the least number of votes that week. Not because the didn't want a rocker to win.
* Sanjaya is still on the show because he gets a boatload of votes, more than those booted off. Not because he boosts ratings. Shall I go on? geekboy 
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Colonel Zoidberg 3662 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-07, 01:38 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Why....??" |
Do you people REALLY think that this show would be this popular, and get the ratings it does AFTER 6 SEASONS, and yet there have been absolutely ZERO leaks from people in-the-know that it is all rigged?Exactly. Sure, they could rig the show. But they won't. And they haven't. Hell, Survivor's been accused of being rigged more often that AI has, and only one accusation has ever come out of the idea that the show is rigged. (Connie in Estee's story notwithstanding.) Brandon Rogers was voted out the first week because he was lackluster and didn't stand out. That explains the lack of votes for him.
Stephanie Edwards was voted out the second week because she didn't stand out. Again, that's why there were fewer votes for her.
Chris Sligh was voted out the third week because his performance was off and people who were bad before got better.
Sanjaya is still around because there is a large segment of the viewing population that is insane. AI is not rigged. Imagine what would happen to FOX and to the reality genre if it were. 
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priestdi 378 desperate attention whore postings
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04-03-07, 06:56 PM (EST)
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14. "Ken Warwick just explained ...." |
(thanks MJ)
Ken Warwick spoke with Chuck Ross of TVWeek.com about last week’s shows.
As far as the voting is concerned, Ken says that the producers receive the final tally at about 2 am after the votes from Hawaii come in. The telephone company calls the producers with the results. They get a very exact list of how each contestant placed, and then Fox’s Standards and Practices follows up to make sure it’s “all fair and right and there are no anomalies.” About busy signals, Ken insists that there is no congestion on the national telephone grid. The source of problems, he says, are the local exchanges.
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