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"What's in a name?"
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10-21-04, 12:05 PM (EST)
 
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"What's in a name?" |
OK, am I trying to read too much into the show by looking at the names of some of these characters and thinking that they were chosen for specific reasons?Like Boone and Sawyer. Both are names that Americans associate with survival and self-sufficiency on the frontier. What puzzles me more is the inclusion of John Locke... When his full name was revealed, my friends and I all looked at each other with raised eyebrows and suggested that Thomas Hobbes would have been a much more appropriate name. After all, doesn't it appear that a Hobbesian state of nature is more likely to develop than a Lockean social contract...? But, then again, Locke is so much a cooler name than Hobbes. 
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10-21-04, 06:40 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: What's in a name?" |
What puzzles me more is the
inclusion of John Locke...
When his full name was
revealed, my friends and I
all looked at each other
with raised eyebrows and suggested
that Thomas Hobbes would have
been a much more appropriate
name. After all, doesn't
it appear that a Hobbesian
state of nature is more
likely to develop than a
Lockean social contract...?
HD! I have no idea what you are talking about!!!
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10-22-04, 11:17 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: What's in a name?" |
Thanks for the links, dabo!Perhaps my friends and I have taught Early Modern Europe (and our good friends Hobbes, Locke, and Rousseau) one too many times... Anyway, we were all thinking of Hobbes' assertion that "Life in an unregulated state of nature is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short." Of course, it will be interesting to see how the castaways structure their new society as the episodes continue. Jack seemed to shy away from wanting to be a tyrant, but others don't seem as squeamish.
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10-27-04, 00:02 AM (EST)
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5. "Not at all" |
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From TvTome:
Episode 9: Solitary Sayid's life is placed in grave danger after he stumbles upon the source of the mysterious French transmission, the woman Danielle Rousseau (guest-star Mira Furlan) who was on the distress call is found alive. Meanwhile, Hurley has a ridiculous plan to make life on the island a little more civilized - and it just might work that involves a gulf cource after he finds gulf clubs from the debris. Lastly, we flashback to Sayid's childhood friend Nadia as well as his participation in hostage situations in Iraq.
Looks like some Locke v. Rousseau action.
btw, not sure if it's been mentioned here or not, but John Locke was also a medical doctor, not unlike our Locke. 
"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."
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10-27-04, 02:27 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: Not at all" |
Mira Furlan played Delenn in Babylon 5, she is Yugoslavian by birth. Fantastic actress! Great find, PM!
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10-27-04, 10:37 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: DOH!" |
Are you thinking of John Locke who came up with the Tabula Rasa Theory?Tabula Rasa is also the name of one episode. I did a search and got this hit on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabula_rasa ~~~
"Tabula rasa (Latin: blank slate) is the notion that individual human beings are born "blank" (with no built-in mental content), and that their identity is defined entirely by events after birth. However, two uses of the term in modern usage are fundamentally incongruent. In John Locke's philosophy, tabula rasa was the theory that the (human) mind is at birth a "blank slate" without rules for processing data, and that data is added and rules for processing it formed solely by our sensory experiences. The notion is central to Lockean empiricism. It is also featured in Sigmund Freud's psychoanalysis. As understood by Locke, tabula rasa meant that the mind of the individual was born "blank", and it also emphasized the individual's freedom to author his or her own soul. Each individual was free to define the content of his or her character -- but his or her basic identity as a member of the human species cannot be so altered. It is this presumption of a free, self-authored mind combined with an immutable human nature, from which the Lockean doctrine of "natural" rights derives. In recent times, however, tabula rasa has come to be understood fundamentally differently. While the idea that the individual can be changed remains, the power to effect that change is now ascribed to society, not the self -- and that power extends to the whole of human nature. Under this view, one can almost without restriction shape the individual by changing the individual's environment, and thus sensory experiences. In this form, the theory is taken up by many utopian schemes that rely on changing human nature to achieve their goals. As the Lockean idea of natural rightsno longer holds any meaning under such a view (because "natural" now means whatever society chooses to define), many such schemes end up moving towards one form or another of totalitarianism."
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John Locke? Coincidence? I wonder how many of 'our' LOST characters are hoping to start over with a blank slate, keeping their past from the others. Kate is, we know that because she's trying not to reveal she's the prisoner with the handcuffs. Locke probably is, he's quite secretive about his past too. As long as they're stranded on the island, they can all start with a blank slate, shape their reputations amongst the others by their actions in this new environment. Some of them are already ahead of the others with their new reputations.
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10-27-04, 03:58 PM (EST)
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13. "Bravo." |
Love this.
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10-27-04, 05:50 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: My question..." |
How bout Charlie Bucket? As in Charlie and The Chocolate Factory? Maybe the monsters are Oompa Loompas??
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12-09-04, 01:03 AM (EST)
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18. "Bumping" |
After someone's mention of names in another thresd, I figured this thresd deserved a *bump*Some more info on some of the other character's names: Hurley (means 'tide')... Hugo (Hurley) - could he be tied to Victor Hugo of Hunch back of Notre Dame and Les Miserables acclaim? Victor Hugo did get very involved in French politics during his lifetime and held a strong belief in good prevailing over evil. Hmmmmmm... Sayid (means 'master' or 'lord'). Sayid/Sayed is a very common Arabic name so without knowing his full name, it would be rather impossible to make any sort of guesses as to the relevance of his name other than possibly just the meaning of Sayid itself Walt - Walt Disney? LOL. No, but perhaps Walt Whitman? Spoilerish stuff to follow...DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW!!! There is a lot of talk about Walt and his possible "perceptions" or "intuitions" (touched on the subject in tonight's episode with the "luck" theme) - he saw a polar bear in a comic, then there was one on the island, his father said something about finding the dog when it stopped raining and it immediately stopped raining. And the title of the Walt/Michael episode is "Special". Hmmmm...well...that TOTALLY picqued my interest because of the poet Walt Whitman. I haven't yet seen this idea discussed on any of the Lost boards...so here goes. Walt Whitman was/is associated with transcendentalism...transcendentalism is typically linked with Immanuel Kant...Kant's philosophies were pretty much in stark contrast with those of...guess who? John Locke. Pretty interesting given the seeming connection between Locke and Walt on the island. Transcendentalism is about more of the inner spirituality and nature...intuition. Claire (last name is Littleton according to a few sites noting this from last week's episode). Scott Littleton (King Arthur/holy grail literature), perhaps? The holy grail with the power to heal wounds - Claire with the power to heal her baby from whatever so-called "evil"...hmmmmmm - oh and Claire means 'bright/clear' I'm all tapped out right now...maybe I'll think of something else to add in the morning!
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12-09-04, 11:11 AM (EST)
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20. "RE: Bumping" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-09-04 AT 01:43 PM (EST)>Walt - Walt Disney? LOL I've heard that Walt and Michael are nods to Walt Disney and Disney/ABC honcho Michael Eisner. Walt Disney was known for his wonderful imagination. Maybe the imagination of our Walt has the possibiblity of becoming true. *edited to fix spelling
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12-09-04, 12:01 PM (EST)
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23. "Funny!" |
Actually, before I got thinking about other Walts, I started typing up some little parallel to Walt Disney - the whole imagination coming to life thing. Then once I realized that Walt Whitman made more sense in terms of the rest of the characters and being that Locke and Walt seem to have a real connection - I figured I'd go with the Whitman angle. But it could very well be both!And Michael = Michael Eisner? Yikes! I was trying to figure out if their last name was out there yet, but I don't think it is. Figured his parallel was in his last name... Thanks for the info.
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12-09-04, 11:48 AM (EST)
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22. "RE: Bumping" |
"And the children shall lead the way"I caught on to Walt's luck last night and reading here today, there may be more into Claire's baby and Walt, being that they are the children on the island. You peeps are great. All this analysis is amazing. Good job! 
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12-09-04, 11:25 AM (EST)
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21. "RE: What's in a name?" |
As far as names, Jack's last name is Shepard..Kinda fitting since he is turning out to be the leader of the group, much like an actual shepard.
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12-09-04, 02:13 PM (EST)
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27. "To summarize . . . " |
LAST EDITED ON 12-09-04 AT 02:18 PM (EST)We have: Jack Sheppard/Shepherd--English thief or a herder of sheep (PhoenixMons) John Locke--English philosopher/political theorist (HistoryDetective) Walt ?--Walt Whitman or Walt Disney (Phoenix Mons) ? Sawyer--Tom Sawyer? (HistoryDetective) Sayid ?--"Sayid (means 'master' or 'lord')" (PhoenixMons) Kate ?--"The name Kate (diminutive of Katherine) means pure" (PhoenixMons) ? Boone--Daniel Boone (HistoryDetective) Shannon ?--Doherty of 90210, Charmed, and Little House fame?  Michael ?--Michael Eisner (joannie) Jin ?--"Jin = truth" (PhoenixMons) Sun ?--"Sun = goodness" (PhoenixMons) Claire (Littleton?)--"Scott Littleton (King Arthur/holy grail literature)" (PhoenixMons) Charlie (Pace?)--Charles Darwin? (mrc) Hurley--"Hurley (means 'tide') Hugo (Hurley) - could he be tied to Victor Hugo of Hunch back of Notre Dame and Les Miserables acclaim?" (PhoenixMons) "Hurley's name, Reyes, means king" (MissMyth) I would add that Hurley mentioned that his name was a nickname--anyone remember his real name? Danielle Rousseau--French philosopher ETA: Ethan ?--?
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12-09-04, 12:33 PM (EST)
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24. "Sun & Jin / Jack Sheppard / Kate" |
Sun & Jin - common Korean names, but the meanings are interesting. Sun = goodness. Jin = truth. Would help to know their full names, but knowing this is a start. Jack Sheppard - Jack Sheppard was a famous British thief. Not sure if this makes any sense with the storyline of Lost...but just putting it out there since they share the same name. I always figured Jack's name was about being a shepherd...leading the flock. The name Kate (diminutive of Katherine) means pure...wish we knew her last name...I don't think it's on the mug shot picture.
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32. "Kate" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-06-05 AT 11:26 AM (EST)From January 5th at the bank: Maggie
Miss Ryan She showed ID to the bank manager. Fake ID or did the it have her real name on it...perhaps Kathryn Ryan? 
edited to add: There was a Katherine Ryan who was known as 'Klondike Kate'. The legend of Klondike Kate is interesting. She was this kind yet strong woman who took charge in the Klondike, yet her reputation got sullied by a prostitute named Kitty who took over the moniker 'Klondike Kate' and was not as nice as Katherine. Two different women, one legend. Or could it be as simple as a writer's crush on Meg Ryan (Maggie Ryan)?
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