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"Is Delay truly sorry or just trying to save his butt?"
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04-14-05, 10:51 AM (EST)
 
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"Is Delay truly sorry or just trying to save his butt?" |
I think it's a last ditch effort to remain in power since his own party is walking away from him now. Yes, emotions were running high over Terri's case but his comments were way out of line with the party and the public but the way he said them they were true to his heart and what he really things. Boy, did he miss read that one. He'll go the way of Newt and Jim Wright but it's a long way from the mid-term elections so the Republicans have plenty of time to get their act together and show they are not the same old same old power people as the Democrats were when they had control of Congress. To bad he is not truly sorry it would be refreshing like the West Wing discussion we had a few weeks ago. Embattled DeLay says he's sorry 
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04-14-05, 11:16 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Is Delay truly sorry or just trying to save his butt?" |
From the link:"I probably said--I did, I didn't probably--I said something in an inartful way and I shouldn't have said it that way, and I apologize for saying it that way. "It was taken wrong, and I didn't explain it or clarify my remarks as I'm clarifying them here. I am sorry that I said it that way and I shouldn't have," DeLay said. Note that DeLay merely apologized for the way he expressed himself, not for the ideas that he expressed. 
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04-14-05, 06:30 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: Is Delay truly sorry or just trying to save his butt?" |
Well, now that Tech has introduced us to the Rude Pundit, here's his take on the apology:(extended very non-PG-13 description of DeLay making the apology) Oh, how Tom DeLay whooped with joy, (more inappropriate stuff), as the Washington Post headline read, "DeLay Apologizes For Comments," as did the headlines at the Boston Globe, ABC News, CNN, and just about every other (ahem) place. If that's what passes for an apology, then if Osama Bin Laden said, "I apologize for using United Airlines on 9/11. I should have used Delta because they lost my bags once," the Washington Post would say, "Bin Laden Apologizes for 9/11."
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04-14-05, 12:38 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Is Delay truly sorry or just trying to save his butt?" |
Of course he's truly sorry. He wouldn't say so if he weren't, would he? Are you accusing him of...LYING?
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04-14-05, 05:58 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: Is Delay truly sorry or just trying to save his butt?" |
I have avoided speaking of Mr. DeLay because I find it difficult to string together three couth words about him. I find him more despicable than Mr. Gingrich at his worst. But I must comment on his current troubles. I have found someone who can say it much more civilly than I can. He is The Rude Pundit. He is very very rude. He routinely uses words that I only see spray painted on the side of my local supermarket, so I will not link to his site. If you want to read his stuff, Google him. Or ask your friends. This is part of what The Rude Pundit says about Mr. DeLay's current situation ... expurgated of course. " Now that, finally, Republican House Majority Leader Tom DeLay is so covered in sh!t that members of his own party can't stand the stench (and, surely, the Republicans have strong stomachs for the feces scent of their members), it is time to talk about the metaphoric death of Tom DeLay. When, in the course of a week or two, you threaten retribution for judges who vote against your wishes, and it's revealed that a) you took a trip to Russia bought and paid for by lobbyists for the Russian government and b) you paid your wife and daughter half-a-mill for "advice" or some such {feces} from your PAC and your campaign, you have certainly signed your own metaphoric death warrant and it is, indeed, time for you to die. Metaphorically, of course. The only question is what kind of metaphoric death DeLay will have. Tom DeLay could metaphorically walk into the Republican Headquarters with metaphoric explosives wrapped around him and metaphorically blow the whole place up. It'd be a beautiful metaphoric thing, as bits of Tom DeLay's metaphoric viscera, perhaps his intestines or tiny, lil' {body parts}, careen across the air, lit for a moment in the fluorescence, before mixing with the debris left behind in the metaphoric goo that was Tom DeLay. DeLay is one bullying evil {person who engages in intercourse with a female parent} - he's threatened to wreck the careers of children of Republicans who don't vote with him. And an evil piece of roach sh!t like DeLay ain't likely to go gentle into that good night. When he starts to rage, rage, against the dying of the light, you can bet he wants to drag as many people down with him as he can." He goes on, but I won't. I think, however, that I've answered your question.
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04-14-05, 06:07 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: Is Delay truly sorry or just trying to save his butt?" |
yeah, but he's just so sexy.
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04-14-05, 06:00 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: Is Delay truly sorry or just trying to save his butt?" |
DeLay is truly sorry.
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04-14-05, 07:07 PM (EST)
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31. "The problem for Republicans" |
The question we are stuck with on the right side of the aisle, and I know no one is going to approve of my making this sitation political, is that it hurts the GOP politicaly to have Delay step down. And not just the millions of dollars he raises to support Congressional candidates, but in the fact tht when one of the leadership in the party has to step down it reflects on the party as a whole. SO, in the absence of conclusive irrefutable proof of wrong-doing, it is almost mandatory to stick by that person. (the old hang-together or hang separately mentality)However, there is a tipping point where the damage of the figure stepping down is exceeded by the damage caused by ther person remaining in their position. This situation is very close to that point. Do *I* know if Delay has violated the law? No, and neither does anyone else at this point. Is it possible that he is a victim of a witch-hunt by the Left that absolutely LOATHES this guy? It's possible. Is it possible the guy isn't doing anything that every other Member does until they get caught? Also possible. Is it possible that he is guilty as sin and has cast a pall over the GOP agenda? Absolutely possible. The only point I'm trying to make is that this situation is not as cut and dry as anyone else in this thread has assumed so far. And even if we assume that everything that Delay is accused of is true, it is not as easy or clear that the party (either party) abandon one of their own and in the process shoot themselves in the foot. 
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04-14-05, 07:26 PM (EST)
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37. "RE: The problem for Republicans" |
It is a serious a deliberate exaggeration of his statement that he said anything close to a "death threat" for these judges. He said that they would "answer for their behavior" in the context of the judges unConstitutional abuse of power and their completely ignoring laws passed by Congress.However, I wasn't trying to get into an argument about the role of the judiciary and whether or not the courts have exceed their authority (I think that they absolutely have and you dis-agree and defend the only bastion of Liberal thought left in government). My point was that you don't shoot members of your family in the head because there was a rumor that they have an airborne virus. Dumping Delay now does as much damage as keeping him, and that's just political reality.
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04-14-05, 07:32 PM (EST)
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38. "RE: The problem for Republicans" |
You're free to pretend that DeLay was suggesting something other than what he suggested, and to accuse me of whatever degree of exaggeration suits your political or ideological purposes. It's not going to make you correct. If declining to hear a case--which was, in fact, the context about which DeLay made his ignorant, hate-promoting remarks--is an unconstitutional abuse of power, then I'm not real keen to find out for real what brand of government this religious totalitarian favors. And really, guy...the courts, which by now are composed predominantly of Republican appointees, are a "bastion of Liberal thought"? Wow. Damn that Commie Anthony Kennedy. Damn that Socialist Sandra Day O'Connor. Finally: I got your point, I disagree with your calculation, and cheerfully--I mean, really, cheerfully--invite you to cling to it. 
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04-14-05, 07:41 PM (EST)
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40. "RE: The problem for Republicans" |
I haven't outright said that I believe the math still favors keeping Delay, but that it did at the outset. Unfortuantely, once you get entrenched in a position the poltical costs get even higher the longer you stick with DeLay - and makes it more and more difficult to cut loses.Personally, I thought at the first HINT of impropriety that we should have made him step aside. We can't govern from the moral high ground without holding our own to the highest possible standards. It was totally bogusand hypocritical to consider changing the rules to protect DeLay. That is the absolute last thing we should be doing if we want to stay in the majority. But, once the decision was made to stick with DeLay, it becomes harder and harder to move off of that position politically.
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04-14-05, 07:36 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: The problem for Republicans" |
It isn't an exageration at all. In fact he used almost identical language to that used by anti-abortion folks who were rousing the rabble to kill physicians who performed abortions. And everybody knows the code, including you. The context you present was not there. It was made up later to cover what he actually said when he got caught.But If you believe that it is inappropriate to police your own, that outsiders should do it, so be it. I, for one, hope he stays just were he is because the American public has become extremely put off. And they're finally beginning to understand that he isn't some zealot out in left field who stopped killing roaches and started killing the Constitution. They are beginning to understand that the entire Republican party does his bidding, no matter what it is. And they don't like it.
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46. "Well, Frist is sure taking the ball..." |
...and running with it.NY Times article As the Senate heads toward a showdown over the rules governing judicial confirmations, Senator Bill Frist, the majority leader, has agreed to join a handful of prominent Christian conservatives in a telecast portraying Democrats as "against people of faith" for blocking President Bush's nominees.
Fliers for the telecast, organized by the Family Research Council and scheduled to originate at a Kentucky megachurch the evening of April 24, call the day "Justice Sunday" and depict a young man holding a Bible in one hand and a gavel in the other. The flier does not name participants, but under the heading "the filibuster against people of faith," it reads: "The filibuster was once abused to protect racial bias, and it is now being used against people of faith."
 
I just didn't want to start any new threads when there was a dead horse to beat in another thread already, ifyaknowwhatimean.
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