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"Episode 9 Preview Vidcaps"
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Bungler 497 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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12-06-01, 10:38 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Excellent Speed on the Vid Caps!" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-06-01 AT 10:40 PM (EST)Already done for ya, buddy! And I did it before I even realized you'd asked. Check out the East Coast topic. BTW, has anybody noticed that in the cap with Kim saying "Pow!" she's talking to MAMA! I think this is majorly significant. Instead of Brandon being the brains behind this new twist that carries the "We Are Family" former Samburus into the Final Four, it's starting to look like a snow job orchestrated by the full four of them. Teresa said they needed to make a move at TC. I think we were supposed to think that the courting of Kelly was the "move" they had in mind, but I actually think it was a smart maneuver to oust a previously strong Boran who had no votes against her. They've now gained parity (4-4) in Ep 9 votes and have their pick of Tom or Lex, who have 3 and 6 votes respectively. And by pleading their miserable case to an old Boran ("Woe is me, my friend Brandon turned on me!") they keep the Borans snowed into thinking that Brandon was a turncoat who's now on their side. The snow job may not work (I have a feeling the Borans will figure it out, and Ep 9 will find Lex vs. Brandon in a 4-4 vote that ends with Lex's ouster based on priors), but it's still a brilliant trick they pulled on the dominant Tagi-wannabes. I'm actually pretty impressed. This was the most unexpected move from Samburu, but it was unbelievably savvy.
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I_AM_HE 6123 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-07-01, 00:36 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: Excellent Speed on the Vid Caps!" |
it didn't matter who was a threat. it mattered who they could get Boran to vote against. Lex and Kelly had the obvious tension, and Lex was tighter with the rest of Boran, therefore harder to get them to vote against (with the exception of Kelly)
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coupland 16 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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12-07-01, 01:03 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Excellent Speed on the Vid Caps!" |
Yeah, certainly the new theory to toss around is MamaKim's defection. What you have in this situation is Lex promising Brandon fifth place (and why the hell would he accept fifth place? With the old Samburu, he could have pushed for second or first!!!) - presumably with MamaKim in fourth. What MamaKim is seeing with a Samboohoo alliance is the possibility that she can take the other Kim with her into the final two positions.MamaKim has proved (if *nothing* else) political savvy in this game. Through dumb luck and smart with-the-group manuevers, she's been able to stay afloat and under-the-radar. If she aligns with Kimp, Frank and T-bird, and they temporarily set up Brandon to knock out L/E/T, then she can pull Kimp into a maneuver to knock out Frank and T-bird, providing she or Kimp get immunity in the last few challenges. She's moved from the possibility of a fourth place finish to a possibility of second place, provided she aligns with Samboohoo. I like the idea that setting Kelly up as a fall girl was a political maneuver on the part of Samboohoo; that would suggest that Kimp and Brandon's alliance is still strong. However, judging from the reaction of Kimp to Brandon's defection at TC, I don't think that happened, and I think that the Samboohoos just lucked into Lex's stupidity.
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zzz 703 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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12-07-01, 09:11 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: Excellent Speed on the Vid Caps!" |
By this point I suspect that you have read about the Insider clip that makes it pretty clear that Brandon did NOT consult with the other old Samburu before voting off Kelly, but that he plans to come back to Samburu. The question thus remains whether Samburu will take him back.
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-07-01, 02:47 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Episode 9 Preview Vidcaps" |
I think KimP looks like she is upset that she was set up by Brandon to gain Kelly's trust. KimP is the one that kept talking to Kelly and getting her to join their side. Then one of her own votes Kelly out. KimP is probably worried that Kelly will blame her and even suspect KimP as the one who voted against her. Kelly is the first one on the jury and will poison everyone against those she feels betrayed her. KimP may be worrying about this and blaming Brandon.
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Bungler 497 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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12-10-01, 01:02 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Episode 9 Preview Vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-10-01 AT 01:13 PM (EST)Things I forgot to mention: 1. I think the hand with the hot dog is Jeff Probst's. He's slopping up a hot dog with all the fixings to make the Survivors drool. 2. I'm almost convinced (notice the almost, which means I'm definitely not 100%) that the guy behind Kim P. is Tom. He moves slower than her. When her dust cloud consumes him, he either seems to stop or (IMO, almost looks like) he backs up. And as you can see he's wearing his buff with a white strip curled up over his forehead. As many on other forums have observed, this is how Tom seems to wear his buff. 3. The Ethan & Mama high five is curious. I posted two pictures of it because I was focused on the water tank/calendar behind them. If you look closely at the second pic (get out the binoculars, folks) you can see that Day 24 is not crossed off. As we saw in Episode 4, the Borans were crossing off a day when it had already passed, so in that episode we saw Lex crossing off Day 9 on Day 10. If they hold rigidly true to that practice, then Day 24 should already be crossed off because Episode 9 takes place on Days 25, 26 and 27. Day 24 was the night Kelly was whacked at TC. Then again, it could be early morning on the 25th, they've already heard the riddle that tips them off that they'll be working in pairs and they just haven't gotten around to crossing off 24 yet. So it's a fine point to be obsessing over. Could be completely innocent, but I thought I'd point it out nevertheless. FWIW, I went back and looked at all of the video from Episode 8 that would supposedly have been from Day 24, and neither of the 3 in the water tank shot were dressed that way on Day 24.
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Gecko28 6 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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12-10-01, 01:22 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Episode 9 Preview Vidcaps" |
I kinda though about this too at first, that this is just Jeff P, but doesnt he usually where a tan button-up shirt, and not a t-shirt? Guess you would have more pics of him so you would probably know better than I.
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tribephyl 12393 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-10-01, 05:01 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: Episode 9 Preview Vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-10-01 AT 05:45 PM (EST)Firstly,IMO it is indeed a shirt instead of shorts in hotdog shot(pic. 29), so who has a grey baggy shirt? JP owns a grey shirt but it is buttonfront,Ethan had a grey shirt but traded it for an accessory.Kim P.'s grey shirt is actually blue with pale yellow sleeves that is now grey and dirty. Brandon has a really dirty,even splotchy,long sleeve grey shirt but usually wears it around his waist. Lex and Tom have grey shirts. Although Tom's is an extra large Tank-top, quite baggy, considering his girth. I realize I know no better than the rest but, to me, the "Hand" in question belongs to Tom and the grey shirt is his extra large grey tank top. Also...is that Tom's straw hat on the corner of the table? He's the only one with a straw hat left.Therefore,IMO Tom is part 1 of "unlikely date" I borrowed these pic's to make a point.or two. They are from the web preview and during the clips the hand is moving up and down while Kim P. is heard saying "yummy". They are meant to make you believe that Kimmie is actually rubbing her tummy in excitement and hunger.But to me, This is not her stomach and it is not her hand. It is her back and Brandons hand(with his leather bracelet) hugging her. Why is this a big deal, not only because it proves the "umcoming rift" of Kim P. and Brandon is nowhere near as wide as being lead to believe.But also because I believe this hug is for the winner of the RC, as they are about to leave for the reward or right after winning RC. That leaves Brandon or Kim. P. as part 2 of "unlikely date" As far as Kim P. in the RC picture with "tom" behind her(pic. 26), I am pretty convinced it is indeed,Tom. Definately the way he wears his buff. But I am not fully convinced that they are indeed partners. I only say this because not everything we see in RC and IC picks is to be taken as gospel. But it would still fit with Kim P. and Tom as the date that's on everyones mind.But just imagine that Tom is the trailing member of one unlikely duo and Kim P. is the leading member of another.Say ahead of Kim P. is Brandon and is paired with Tom and Behind Tom is Frank who is with Kim P.Or whatever.In S2 the RC team challenge had spots where the duos were forced to run on the same part of the race. Perhaps this Kim P. and Tom photo is just a point where teams temporarily mush in together. As far as Ethan and MamaK high fivin'(pic. 34).The Water Tank Calendar Starts with Day 1 on Wednesday and ends with day 39 on Sunday. From the bottom four numbers (Ethans head6 37 38 39)following this up..numbers would be 29 30 31 32 and then 22(xed) 23(xed) 24(xed) 25. That would make this shot indeed taking place on day 25. Unless MB has digitally Xed off days in editing, possible. But if you will all notice what look like the square cookies that Kim P. is eating and MamaK. is holding in her left hand. That Ethan brought back on the 23rd and the outfits they are wearing do match what they were wearing when Ethan and Lex came back aside from Ethan being shirtless. This picture seems more and more like a digitally altered picture of the cookie feast from the 23rd.That's probably why we didn't see them wearing the same clothing as day 24. Edited to add pic#'s as reference.
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diamond 2307 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model"
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12-10-01, 06:33 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: Episode 9 Preview Vidcaps" |
Just a few points about your analysis:*I agree with Bungler that the person with the hotdogs is probably JP. If it is JP, it doesn't matter whether or not the clothing is a shirt or shorts. (I believe it is shorts, for the record, since the fabric is shown falling well below the hand holding the fork - that would have to be a really long shirt.) Unlike the survivors, JP presumably does not have a severely limited wardrobe. Just because we haven't seen him wearing a grey shirt, or shorts, or whatever, does not mean he does not have them. *If you think that those pictures of Kim P. are of her back, you are implying that she has boobs on her back. Both of the caps you posted are from the same sequence (note the person, either Kim J. or Teresa, sitting next to her). The top cap shows the front of her blue bikini top. It is most definitely not her back. I also don't see anything that leads me to believe that that is not her hand. (What's on her wrist is not a leather bracelet, but a green elastic thing that goes with the buffs. Everyone has one.) *Finally, even if they are eating cookies in the water tank shots, it doesn't mean it has to be the same day as the the "cookie feast" from Ep8. Even for starving people, 33 cookies seems like a lot to eat in one sitting. They probably saved some of them to eat later. Also, while MB has shown that he is willing and able to digitally alter the colors of someone's buff, I would be surprised if he actually went so far as to change people's clothing altogether. I also don't think he has the capabilities to do this, or the time - while I don't know much about digital editing, this seems way beyond the scope of a TV show like Survivor. diamond
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Bungler 497 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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12-11-01, 10:22 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: Episode 9 Preview Vidcaps" |
just wanted to comment that Day 39 on Boran's water tank calendar definitely falls on Saturday, not Sunday. The 24 is not crossed out on the "high five" shot, but I'm thinking this has less and less significance. They simply haven't crossed 24 out yet, even though it's probably Day 25 (or the first day, and Reward Challenge day, or Ep 9).
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NightScribe 761 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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12-10-01, 12:07 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Episode 9 Preview Vidcaps" |
O.K. so they're going to do a team obstacle course challenge. Who's left that might pair up?let's see: Tom, Ethan, Lex, Brandon and Frank are the guys and MammaKim, LilKim, T-bird, are the ladies. Two males will probably end up on the same team. This could be an "unlikely date" if they win, right? If we're assuming the Mamma and E are teamed up in a physcial challenge, I don't think they'll win no matter how golden Ethan is. MK is just too dang old and slow to help him out much, so I don't think they're our "unlikely date". At this point, people are getting pretty weak. I don't think Frank, Tom, or T-bird is a challenge either. I'm going with Krautboy's theory that Kim P and Brandon get paired up and win. I really have more questions than answers. The one thing I do find interesting is that one team will definitely not be male/female as there are more males than females at this point.
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Gecko28 6 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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12-10-01, 01:11 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Episode 9 Preview Vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-10-01 AT 01:17 PM (EST)I think when tryin to identify the winner by lookin at #27, we should take into consideration that this may not be a pair of shorts, but a t-shirt. For one I don't think anyone has a gray pair of shorts, and two, if they do, I don't think they would be that baggy. IMO I believe this is prob KimP, if you look at #'s 20,26,27, you would notice that not only is KimP wearing a grey t-shirt, but that it also appears to be kinda baggy, just a thought. I realize that #20 is a camp shot and not chall shot, but I was including that one to show how baggy her shirt appears to be.
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George Tirebiter 2982 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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12-11-01, 12:10 PM (EST)
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26. "Just to muddy the waters a bit. . ." |
• In the "hot dog" photo (what IS that green glop, anyway?!) is that the brim of Tom's hat on the table? He IS shown wearing his hat and a grey(ish?) t-shirt here: • I feel the shots from the beginning are at a normal mealtime (is there not a shot somewhere of the remains of grits in the skillet?), but Ethan seems to be giving us a textbook "hot dog burp" in this shot: Maybe Mark Burn-it is just a fan of Tim Allen--or he enjoys giving us humiliating shots of pretty-boy Ethan in the midst of distasteful bodily functions. . . (see how I'm not even going to elaborate? ) • I also think the high five shot may simply be the excitement over yet another food reward, not necessarily a victory cheer--is Ethan holding tree mail? And Kim is wearing the blue/flowered top seen in the tummy-rubbing close-up--also could simply be saying "yummy" because she's anticipating something besides grits, not because she's just eaten a bowl of Skittles/M&Ms. • As for the "movie" part of the reward, it seems to me that it involves perhaps a finished episode of S3--was that not a reward in previous games? Can anyone recall if home movies were involved in that, as well? or were they part of a different reward? GT
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IceCat 17415 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-11-01, 06:16 PM (EST)
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29. "GT! I Could Just Kiss Yah!" |
A real video spoiler!They are so few and far between these days... Yes this does look like a white hat laying on the table:
However, Tom's hat is is more of a cloth fedora type of hat. I could find no pics where Toms hat revealed that open random weave shown in the vid cap. Lex's wide-brimmed sun hat is another possibility: I have seen hats of this type that have this widely spaced fiber weave. Lex's shirt color could be a match for the grey shown in the vidcap as well. We need to look at closeups of people in there hats to find this characteristic open weave: Start finding hat pics people!
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George Tirebiter 2982 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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12-11-01, 11:38 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: GT! I Could Just Kiss Yah!" |
*swoooooon!* A drive-by kiss from the elusive Cat! You know, even as I suggested it might be Tom's hat, I knew I was ignoring that open weave. . . and there's something about it that strikes me as more feminine, perhaps, than a man's fedora, but I believe Tom and Lex are the only real candidates. Have any of the women worn wide-brimmed hats to keep the sun off? I know I've seen them in their ugly baseball-billed things (esp. MamaKim and Teresa), as well as those awful visors that old ladies wear on the golf course--and perhaps they all received a raft of identical hats from various sponsors. . . Still, something about the shirt that makes me think that's a MALE. . . the women have been infrequently in shirts that baggy--and are most often wearing sports bras or bikini tops or buffs (hold the fantasizing, Ice--this is serious!) To my eye, the hat pictured has a full brim--not just a bill--and it could indeed belong to Lex. Frank's floppy hat is a canvas camouflage job, not straw, and the only one I've seen Ethan in is a khaki floppy hat; ChapstickBoy favors the orange baseball cap or his buff worn Aunt Jemima style. What are the chances that Lex would win the reward AND immunity? And if he DID win the reward, who would his unlikely "date" be? Teresa, whom he may or may not realize was his "rat?" Brandi, whom he SHOULD suspect--if not know--lied about Kelly? Li'l Kim, who should be on his short list of bootees? Frank, whom he seems to dislike because of the GXA disinformation, more than anything else? I think his fellow alliance members would'nt qualify as "unlikely." If Tom is the reward winner (and what are the odds?!), who would qualify as HIS unlikely date? I can think of comical logic for just about everyone--except Frank (who might also explain a win on an obstacle course.) And although someone with one of those bear-trap memories can target a particular scene to prove otherwise, the only straw hats I've been able to find have been Tom's and Lex's--and if you ask me, Lex's hat blocks too much light to be the one in question: Of course, all this means bupkis, if the hat in the picture doesn't even belong to the RC winner, in which case I have only served to distract you for a time. . . GT (who apologizes for lapsing into yet another boring diatribe, instead of just getting down to business and finding an answer. . . I know that brevity is in short supply these days! )
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