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"Fully understand Adam"
janda3 87 desperate attention whore postings
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11-04-05, 02:59 AM (EST)
 
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"Fully understand Adam" |
It's not that Adam is inexperienced in sex, or sex in the workplace. Adam is a "good boy," meaning he comes from background strong in morals, principles & ethics that are not based in promiscurity (sp). In Adam's circles, men & women don't have unless married. I am not sure if Adam is an Orthodox Jew or not, but he is very traditional in his religion. If you look at his website, you will notice that he relates strongly to his Jewish background. He clearly states that his religion & going to Israel are very important to him & helped him. A concervative minded person like that would not feel comfortable talking loosely about sexual matters. And for DT to insinuate that he will change was wrong. He should have commended Adam for his beliefs & admired him for it.As to Clay's remarks: I was offended by them tremendously! Whether it was in the war room, in the apartment ("the Jewish Joke") and during the class, as George said they have no place anywhere. How would Clay feel if one of his team players would constantly make derogitory remarks about homosexuals & gays & mention all the stereotypes involved? What would have happened if Adam would have turned around after the "tight *** Jew" comment & said, "At least I don't have to worry about AIDS?" I don't think that Clay would find the humor in it at all.
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Dr Zaius 37 desperate attention whore postings
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11-04-05, 03:21 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Fully understand Adam" |
I think that Adam is a conservative guy that doesn't talk about sex and I also think he probably doesn't have a lot of experience in the topic. I think he showed a lot of strength and character in this episode particularly dealing with Marcus (glad he is gone). In the end I think his comfort level in talking about sex has nothing to do with his ability in a job. He should be offened that it is even made an issue, more so than Clay's joke. And speaking of the point. I'm jewish and I wasn't offened by Clay's remarks. I can see what clay was going for and he didn't say Adam was a "tight ##### jew". Keeping that in mind it was truly one of the stupidest things I've heard someone say on the show. What Clay really showed himself as is a person with horrible tact and comic timing. If the D man had the same set of balls that he did last night he would have fired Clay and Marcus.
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JoshInSGV 737 desperate attention whore postings
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11-04-05, 12:21 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Fully understand Adam" |
I also didnt think Clay's comments about Adam were offensive. I thought that the message he was trying to convey was that Adam was uptight about the subject matter, which he was. But, I can see how the context of his comment could be misconstrued. Clay showed very little tact and professionalism, but in any way shape or form did I get the impression that he was being derogatory against Jewish people.
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CouchTater 1046 desperate attention whore postings
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11-04-05, 10:16 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: Fully understand Adam" |
I had a LOT of respect for Adam last night. He showed that even though he was uncomfortable with the topic, he was still willing to try it. And you are right; Trump was way off base telling him how great sex would be. He was even off base just asking Adam if he had ever had sex. WHAT! That should never have been brought up on national TV or even in the board room. That's no one's business. I think that Adam handled the whole thing with and incredible amount of integrity and dignity, something the Donald has none of. I also think that Donald was off base in telling Adam that the topic of sex was titillating, with the implication that you can’t, as Adam suggested and was trying to do, talk about sex in a tasteful way. I mean they were giving a class about sex in the work place. Since this is a sensitive subject for many people, especially women who have to deal with that, the less titillating the better in this case. If it were about sex in a bar; now that would be different. Maybe Donald thinks that sex should be titillating in the work place. He’s probably used his power as a boss to get sex himself. As for Clay, what an A** really. Not only was that "Tight a** Jew" comment totally out of line, so were all of his other constant comments about guys at work grabbing his a** and the constant use of the word a**. What was he thinking? While I don't believe that Clay is anti-Semitic, you'd think, considering he's gay, that he'd have some sensitivity about any kind of derogatory statement against anyone. I feel that Adam even handled that elephant (the negative Jew statement) in the room with class and dignity. He didn't react in a nasty way; he just tried to recover from that in a non embarrassing way. Adam goes to the top of my list. I also think that Adam will be very lucky not to win and have to work with Trump. Adam is a class above Trump.
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LakerLuv 151 desperate attention whore postings
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11-04-05, 10:54 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: Fully understand Adam" |
I commend Adam for his professionalism and for his attempt to try to speak about sex in a classy manner. Sometimes when people are confronted with another person who exhibits strong moral ethics, it's hard for the other person not to feel instantly judged. I think DT, George and Clay became instantly self concious of their own promiscuity (sp?) in the presence of Adam's values. So instead of saying "good for you. I commend you," they had to passively denigrate him for not being a "good ol' boy". I like the fact that Adam didn't budge and did not force his beliefs on anyone and remained classy. Clay's presentation, which seem to veer into a presentation on homosexual attraction (at least what was aired), was almost a dare to anyone to tell him he was offensive. Markus had to go, but Clay should have been sharing a cab with him as well.
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11-05-05, 03:33 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: Fully understand Adam" |
hmmmmm---"I think people of the more, shall we say liberal bent, might just think Adam was a bit uptight about the sex topic." Yeah, those poor, uptight conservatives like Adam who come off as just being very close minded (rather than just "choosing" a different lifestyle). Why can't they just change and have a more liberal bent. After all it is just sex, and if the Adam's of the world would just loosen up like the Trump's of the world, we would live in a better place. Why can't people like Adam change their beliefs and be more open-minded like Trump, rather than remain true to their beliefs and alarmingly uptight and intolerant? But don't worry, I'm sure Adam will change just like Trump said ---- after all, there really is only one right choice when it comes to sex.
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11-07-05, 10:13 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: Fully understand Adam" |
I agree with you CouchTater. I also agree with posters who think that Adam handled things in a classy way. He doesn't strike me as "soft" as The Donald said. He strikes me as a person who is culturally grounded (a big plus in my book) and also as a person who is calm and smart. He certainly handled Marcus and Clay very well. And somehow his team seemed very involved in their losing project, with the exception of Mr. Doesn't Play Well With Others (that would be Marcus). So Adam's leadership skills do not appear to be lacking here. Maybe some overall team judgements were not that great, but I still think that this team did not lose by a huge margin...But if one applies the standard forced on Pamela in an earlier season, a loss is a loss. Maybe Adam is the Andy of this season, and maybe he will last a lot longer than people expect. I'm certainly on his love train. The guy has brains, and he appears unflappable. The Donald seems to like these introvert-leader types (Bill, Kwame, Kelly), because they possess a personality trait that appears to be similar to his own. (Yes, he's a loud mouth, but that is by design. By nature, The Donald doesn't appear to be as extroverted as someone like Troy or Heidi or even Tina Turner.) Anyway, I love Adam's temperament, and it may be that his leadership skills will sharpen as they move through the game. He may have what it takes to give Randal a run for his money in the finals. --Singer
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Dr Zaius 37 desperate attention whore postings
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11-11-05, 00:40 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: Fully understand Adam" |
I think you all took my words a little bit out of context and stretched what I was saying.First off I did say that Adam was a person of character. I did not say anything to denegrate him for his beliefs, how he stood, or the quality of his leadership. If anything I said he did a pretty good job. While Adam did play along and wasn't squimish and talked about sex, at the same time he was a bit uncomfortable with the whole thing and I'm willing to bet dimes to dognuts that he is conservative about sex. With that in mind, what I was trying to do is a broader leap from say....me who is rather liberal about sex to those in general not just Adam specifically that are more conservative about sex. And yes with that in mine I will make my judgment and from many people that I have met, and I have met many people from all over the world, I have found that there comes a point where people take sex too seriously. People get very wound up about the topic. I'm all for having your own view on sex, I'm far less likely to judge someone if they only have sex with one person their whole life than someone that has had sex with one person might judge me. Now as some that is of a liberal bent I would say that Adam comes off as uptight about the subject. Does that mean that I think he is wrong, no. Does it mean I think he isn't classy, no. Does it mean I think he has hang-ups, not really. I'm sure if he does he enjoys and he doesn't need to hump with the sheet between him and a girl with the lights off. Who knows what he is really like about sex for all we know he is a huge f'ing porn star!
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janda3 87 desperate attention whore postings
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11-10-05, 08:21 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Fully understand Adam" |
Which is my point exactly. Both comments are bigoted. True, AIDS can happen to anyone of us, but it is primarily associated with homosexual activity. Adam is the only one that has admitted to being Jewish; Alla could also be Jewish, as well as Rebecca, Felishia, or even Marcus.
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DrKegel 430 desperate attention whore postings
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11-11-05, 09:31 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: Fully understand Adam" |
Adam is professional? In what capacity? Yeah, he appears to own a suit ... that's about it. He did a horrible job as project manager. First, when an excellent idea is handed to him, what does he do? Did you notice how Randall immediately broke his idea down into sections? This is the first section and we'll talk about this ... this is the next section and we'll talk about this ... etc. It gave clarity, form and a detailed approach as to what everyone would speak about and how they would convey their message. What did Adam do? NOTHING! He had people "wing" it giving the seminar no direction except which way the wind blew. And then he was surprised that people said things off the cuff? THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T PUT BOUNDARIES ON PEOPLE BY GIVING THEM A SCRIPT TO FOLLOW!!!! And as if this isn't enough, he lies about what Clay said! Clay never said what Adam quoted him as saying and what a alot of you are writing down. It wasn't even the gist. How is Adam going to be Donald's apprentice when he can't even remember what someone said or condense what someone says and repeat it back accurately? How many deals will he blow because he doesn't have this ability? In business it's crucial to be able to do this as you are the head honcho's eyes and ears at these meetings. Adam is a big baby. I'm not a fan of Clay. Way too emotional and not enough talent to back it up. Definitely don't see him as a leader. He has a niche and that's about it. Both of them need to go. I believe this represents a case where Adam as the project manager should never have agreed to the idea if he was uncomfortable with it. There was a project a couple of years ago where the teams were to showcase and sell art. They went around and met with the artists and saw their work to decide who they wanted to represent. One team went with what they liked and the other team went with what they didn't like, but made the decision on the artist's customer base. Fatal mistake. Donald actually gave good advice when he said to only represent things that you like and feel comfortable representing. This reminds me of that type of situation. You do no favors to anyone - yourself, your team or the audience - when you agree to go along with something when your heart isn't into it.
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