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badger 1273 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 10-28-04, 10:00 AM (EST) "Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Well, we're all excellent cultural critics here, so I'd love to hear folks' thoughts on the new Eminem release "Mosh." Lyrics: And to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible? people (this is it) It feels so good to be back..] Scrutinize every word, memorize every line I spit it once, refuel, reenergize, and rewind I give sight to the blind, my insight through the mind I exercise my right to express when I feel it's time It's just all in your mind, what you interpret it as I say to fight you take it as I'm gonna whip someone's ##### If you don't understand don't even bother to ask A father who has grown up with a fatherless past Who has blown up now to rap phenomenon that has Or at least shows no difficulty multi task And juggling both, perhaps mastered his craft slash Entrepreneur who has held long too few more rap acts Who has had a few obstacles thrown his way through the last half Of his career typical manure moving past that Mister kiss his ##### crack, he's a class act Rubber band man, yea he just snaps back Come along, follow me as I lead through the darkness As I provide just enough spark, that we need to proceed Carry on, give me hope, give me strength, Come with me, and I won't steer you wrong Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog Till the light, at the end, of the tunnel, we gonna fight, We gonna charge, we gonna stomp, we gonna march through the swamp We gonna mosh through the marsh, take us right through the doors..cum on. To the people up top, on the side and the middle, Come together, let's all bomb and swamp just a little Just let it gradually build, from the front to the back All you can see is a sea of people, some white and some black Don't matter what color, all that matters is we gathered together To celebrate for the same cause, no matter the weather If it rains let it rain, yea the wetter the better They ain't gonna stop us, they can't, we're stronger now more then ever, They tell us no we say yea, they tell us stop we say go, Rebel with a rebel yell, raise hell we gonna let em know Stomp, push up, mush, ##### Bush, until they bring our troops home come on just . . . Come along, follow me as I lead through the darkness As I provide just enough spark, that we need to proceed Carry on, give me hope, give me strength, Come with me, and I won't steer you wrong Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog Till the light, at the end, of the tunnel, we gonna fight, We gonna charge, we gonna stomp, we gonna march through the swamp We gonna mosh through the marsh, take us right through the doors, come on Imagine it pouring, it's raining down on us, Mosh pits outside the oval office Someone's trying to tell us something, maybe this is God just saying we're responsible for this monster, this coward, that we have empowered This is Bin Laden, look at his head nodding, How could we allow something like this, Without pumping our fist Now this is our, final hour Let me be the voice, and your strength, and your choice Let me simplify the rhyme, just to amplify the noise Try to amplify the times it, and multiply it by six Teen million people are equal of this high pitch Maybe we can reach Al Quaida through my speech Let the President answer on high anarchy Strap him with AK-47, let him go Fight his own war, let him impress daddy that way No more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our soil No more psychological warfare to trick us to think that we ain't loyal If we don't serve our own country we're patronizing a hero Look in his eyes, it's all lies, the stars and stripes They've been swiped, washed out and wiped, And Replaced with his own face, mosh now or die If I get sniped tonight you'll know why, because I told you to fight So come along, follow me as I lead through the darkness As I provide just enough spark, that we need to proceed Carry on, give me hope, give me strength, Come with me, and I won't steer you wrong Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog Till the light, at the end, of the tunnel, we gonna fight, We gonna charge, we gonna stomp, we gonna march through the swamp We gonna mosh through the marsh, take us right through the doors And as we proceed, to mosh through this desert storm, in these closing statements, if they should argue, let us beg to differ, as we set aside our differences, and assemble our own army, to disarm this weapon of mass destruction that we call our president, for the present, and mosh for the future of our next generation, to speak and be heard, Mr. President, Mr. Senator ' Video available at http://www.dashadyspot.com/ and http://www.mtv.com   Top

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Mon Cherie 10-28-04 33    RE: Eminem calls for revolution aga... nailbone 10-28-04 17        Dood mrc 10-28-04 19        RE: Eminem calls for revolution aga... TechNoir 10-28-04 29        Anyone who doesn't think Prince is ... Mon Cherie 10-28-04 44            Been there, done that, mrc 10-28-04 45                RE: Been there, done that, Glow 10-28-04 46        RE: Eminem calls for revolution aga... miamicatt 10-28-04 57  RE: Eminem calls for revolution aga... Estee 10-28-04 4  Heh, whaddya know... FesterFan1 10-28-04 9    RE: Heh, whaddya know... Lisapooh 10-28-04 11  RE: Eminem calls for revolution aga... mrc 10-28-04 12    RE: Eminem calls for revolution aga... 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nailbone 27263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 10:05 AM (EST) 1. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" LAST EDITED ON 10-28-04 AT 10:05 AM (EST) the new Eminem release That right there eliminates all credibility. Handcrafted by GothMog - ain't it cool!! "Voted" thingy stolen from Draco Omnia in bonum o-   Top

anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 10:07 AM (EST) 5. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" have you ever listened to what he actually says? Miscellaneous Ramblings --Lose Yourself is brilliant, IMO.   Top

nailbone 27263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 10:11 AM (EST) 6. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Nope. To me he's just another Vanilla Ice, a white guy trying to be black. Handcrafted by GothMog - ain't it cool!! "Voted" thingy stolen from Draco Omnia in bonum o-   Top

ginger 22512 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 11:56 AM (EST) 13. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" I have to disagree. While inflammatory, his lyrics are his own and have more sardonic wit than "Ice Ice Baby" could devise. There is a sense of humor (frequently self-deprecatory as well as mocking of others who may well deserve, er, mockage) to his videos as well. He has far more credibility with the rap community (he is the progeny of Dr. Dre, after all) than Rob Van Winkle garnered, with reason. I have grudgingly come to respect some of Eminimen's stuff, although none of it is exactly my cup of tea. Oh, and have a good morning *smooch*, NB! The Hills Have IceCat. Down here...we all...FLOAT.   Top

anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 12:11 PM (EST) 16. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Oh, Lord. Not even close. That would be like calling The Beatles another boy band. Miscellaneous Ramblings --Vanilla Ice gives me hives.   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 12:15 PM (EST) 18. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Wasn't Vanilla Ice the self-designated "lyrical assassin?" Now that is offensive! A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie BTW, according to Webster, the word "assassin" was originally used to describe "hashish-eating Muslims who murdered Christians during the Crusades." Who knew?   Top

Captain_Savem 3731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-28-04, 01:33 PM (EST) 30. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" LAST EDITED ON 10-28-04 AT 01:36 PM (EST) Kimmah's right. Eminem is a lyrical genius. Vanilla Ice was a joke. Reading the words doesn't do it justice. Edited because I can't spell today The Evolution Continues...   Top

Jep1974 693 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-28-04, 11:06 AM (EST) 10. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" not for those who are largely in the 18-22 age bracket. personally, not a fan of his, but this song is intelligent and well written. ...'cause it's all about the unitard   Top

bondt007 3413 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 10-28-04, 10:06 AM (EST) 2. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Yes... this? Helps a lot... How long to 1000? ...does this have to count as a political thread??   Top

anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 10:06 AM (EST) 3. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" I still maintain that Eminem is a fricking genius, despite the ridiculous clothing, dubious image, and revolting language that he uses from time to time. Miscellaneous Ramblings --I wish the links would work from school, but I doubt they will. Off to try.   Top

Glow 14353 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 10:35 AM (EST) 7. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" I too maintain that he is a genius. Certainly not comparable to Vanilla Ice. Not even close. I know. I know. I agree with Kimmah. Big surprise.   Top

Lisapooh 12664 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 10:41 AM (EST) 8. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Let me be the third to say I think he's lyrics are brilliant and complex and unusual and innovative.   Top

emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 01:17 PM (EST) 25. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" In rap, he is the absolute best, imho...thanks to Dre. His lyrics are phenomenal, this song included, and OMH did you see 8 Mile??? Courtesy of the Amazing Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004 I agree Kimmah Lose Yourself is brilliant Last year for Halloween I was an M&M and B was Eminem!!   Top

SilverStar 6205 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 01:41 PM (EST) 31. "I'll be the 5th" to agree that he is a lyrical genius! One word: GOTHMOG! Eminem is the only rap I listen to.   Top

Mon Cherie 1813 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 10-28-04, 02:12 PM (EST) 33. "6th?" Yep yep. Very talented musician, across the board. And 8 Mile rocked. Made by Gothmog, who truly rocks Mosh pit outside the White House? How about inside the Oval Office? It would be cool to stage dive off the Presidential desk. Or maybe the Mall, we could get the Hare Krishnas to join us. I've danced with them before and they have some pretty sweet moves.   Top

nailbone 27263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 12:14 PM (EST) 17. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Well, I'll give you that, then, because I consider Prince to be genius, despite the ridiculous clothing, dubious image, and revolting language that he uses from time to time. Handcrafted by GothMog - ain't it cool!! "Voted" thingy stolen from Draco Omnia in bonum o-   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 12:16 PM (EST) 19. "Dood" How can I support you as VP with that statement about Prince? A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie   Top

TechNoir 9741 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 01:33 PM (EST) 29. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Sit down. Now. I totally totally agree with you about Prince. Somebody get him a cool compress for his forehead.   Top

Mon Cherie 1813 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 10-28-04, 03:12 PM (EST) 44. "Anyone who doesn't think Prince is a musical genius...." Needs to listen to "Purple Rain", or at the very least watch the movie. Gothmogged. Even doves have pride.   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 03:13 PM (EST) 45. "Been there, done that," still not impressed. A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie   Top

Glow 14353 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 03:15 PM (EST) 46. "RE: Been there, done that," "I knew a girl named Nikki. I guess you could say she was a sex fiend. Met her in a hotel lobby masturbating with a magazine." Still not impressed? I do agree that Prince is also a genius. Not because of this song. That was me being silly.   Top

miamicatt 9247 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 03:46 PM (EST) 57. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" I'm in the "Prince is a genius" corner too. Even if some of his music makes me blush. Eminem? "Ow, my friekin' ears!" But to each his own.   Top

Estee 57126 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 10:07 AM (EST) 4. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" And he'd like to be known as the angry young man. Interesting. He's got a lot of anger and a definite skill for expressing it. It won't change anyone's mind, but it will sum a lot of issues up for people. Of course, most of those people wouldn't listen to rap if you handcuffed them to the speakers...   Top

FesterFan1 5947 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 10:46 AM (EST) 9. "Heh, whaddya know..." I can actually agree with something this misogynist thug asshat has to say. Who knew? Fester I'd look for Horsemen, people. Seriously.   Top

Lisapooh 12664 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 11:23 AM (EST) 11. "RE: Heh, whaddya know..." hi fester - your head is practically aglow today!   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 11:50 AM (EST) 12. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Is there a gender divide over this guy, or do we need a larger sample? A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie I prefer my music not include misogynistic and obscence lyrics, no matter their political message.   Top

Lisapooh 12664 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 12:00 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" whether you agree with the content of his lyrics or not. (sometimes I do, sometimes I don't) you can still admire the complexity in how they are constructed.   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 12:10 PM (EST) 15. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" I respectfully disagree. You may admire his complexity, but I cannot. I would rather someone find a way to construct a narrative, poem, song lyric, etc. w/o stooping to misogyny, which actually bothers me more than most of the obscenity. A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie I'm all for free speech, but I don't have to admire what is spoken.   Top

anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 12:16 PM (EST) 20. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" you don't have to dismiss the entire body of work, either, IMO. I don't like some of his stuff. I find it over the top. Have you ever listened to something like Stan or Lose Yourself? Miscellaneous Ramblings --I also enjoy the Slim Shady stuff, but that's not what I'd call deep. Complex and hilarious, but not really deep.   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 12:18 PM (EST) 21. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" It's hard to enjoy the rest when one finds some of it offensive. But that's just me. Overall, I don't find rap very pleasant. A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie   Top

anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 12:26 PM (EST) 23. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Actually, I don't either. There is very little that I enjoy. Eminem is one of the very, very few. Miscellaneous Ramblings --I do like some Nellie and some Outkast, but I am picky because I don't like the blatant and cussing sex songs...which is why my Eminem enjoyment is ironic.   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 12:34 PM (EST) 24. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" You? are a complex woman, kimmah. A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie   Top

syren 5418 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-04, 08:50 AM (EST) 66. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" I have to agree with you Another Kim. I rarely listen to Rap, but I like Eminem. There is some of his stuff that is over the top, but the the rest is great. Lose yourself and Stan are my faves, I also like the one to his daughter. I am the same with Outkast, I like it, but the cursing is what I could live without. I put Eminem on a different level than Nellie and Outkast though, and I think that is because of his lyrics in his serious music.   Top

seahorse 14337 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 12:24 PM (EST) 22. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" I think the messenger might be a little weak in this case.   Top

emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 01:29 PM (EST) 26. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Eminem is anything but weak, seahorse. He has his own label and he can pretty much make or break a rapper--ask Fred Durst of Limp Bizkit Courtesy of the Amazing Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

Mon Cherie 1813 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 10-28-04, 07:14 PM (EST) 61. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" I wouldn't ask Fred Durst anything. He's a festering conundrum of what's wrong with music today. His stoopid antics have lost him many fans in his hometown. Made by Gothmog, who truly rocks My opinion has nothing to do with the fact that he dated a friend of mine for a couple of years pre-LB. He was an asshat then, and an asshat now. And that's no conundrum.   Top

Femme 3621 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-28-04, 01:30 PM (EST) 27. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Brilliance? I don't think so, at least not to me. Brilliance lies in Jethro Tull's "Passion Play." Brilliance is Tim Roth's monologue in Reservoir Dogs, and Quentin Tarentino's treatment and production of it. "Lolita" is also the product of brilliance, even though it's disturbing and emotionally creepy to read. Shock value is what Eminimen has, not brilliance. His rhymes are simple and remind me of the story books my kids have, only their poems and story books don't say things like: But I can't take a ##### in the bathroom Without someone standin by it No I won't sign your autograph You can call me an ##### I'm glad or It's funny cuz at the rate I'm going when I'm 30 I'll be the only person in the nursing home flirting Pinching nurses asses when I'm jacking off with Jergens And I’m jerkin’ but this whole bag of Viagra isn't working or I think I was put here to annoy the world and destroy your little 4-year-old boy or girl Plus I was put here to put fear in faggots who spray Faygo Root Beer and call themselves "Clowns" cause they look queer Faggot2Dope and Silent Gay Claimin Detroit, when y'all live twenty miles away (##### punks) And I don't wrestle, I'll knock you ##### faggots the ##### out Just because his music is catchy (and I do believe that it is) you cannot undo the lyrics. The lyrics, in this case, bother me, and the simple rhymes are too cookie-cutter and simplistic to capture my attention, and I feel that his message is watered down in his effort to achieve a rhyme, no matter how irrelevant it is to the song (I'm an instigator, 380 slug penetrator/ Degrading, creating murders to kill haters/ Accused for every crime known thru the equator - Creating murders? Kill Haters? Known through the equator? Haha. What's that all even mean?). He is not an artist, he is a businessman, and in that regard, I believe he is as guilty of sucking as he claims New Kids, NSync, and Britney Spears are. Femme I'ma rhymer who makes rhymes and I do it all the times.   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 01:43 PM (EST) 32. "Well said, Femme!" Add gay-bashing to my list of reasons not to like Eminem. A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie   Top

Captain_Savem 3731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-28-04, 02:46 PM (EST) 37. "RE: Well said, Femme!" That last excerpt is not technically gay bashing. He's dissing a group known as Insane Clown Posse who he's had beef with for quite a while. And calling someone gay is considered the most extreme of insults. So here, Eminem is talking about beating up ISP specifically, not gays in general. The Evolution Continues...   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 02:48 PM (EST) 38. "RE: Well said, Femme!" So, if he called someone a nigger, that's okay, just as long as he has a beef with them? A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie I don't see the logic.   Top

Captain_Savem 3731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-28-04, 02:56 PM (EST) 40. "RE: Well said, Femme!" If you have beef with someone, you can call them anything you want. But calling a black man a faggott is worse than calling him a nigger, so he probably wouldn't say it. The Evolution Continues...   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 03:00 PM (EST) 41. "RE: Well said, Femme!" Not to turn this into an Apprentice-like racism thread, but, really? A white man calling a black man a faggot is worse than calling him a nigger? I am curious about why you say that, Cappy. A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie I'm not being belligerent, BTW. I really am surprised and would like to hear the logic.   Top

Captain_Savem 3731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-28-04, 03:17 PM (EST) 47. "RE: Well said, Femme!" Ok, let me see if I can break this down to you... Black men identify themselves by their masculinity. A white man calling a black man "nigger" is bad, very bad. But all you've done is insult him. A white man calling a black man a "faggott" is not only insulting him, but attempting to strip away that which he holds dear.....his masculinity! The hip-hop culture goes by these same rules. And although ISP is white, Eminem meant it as an insult. The Evolution Continues... I'm not sure it's logical, but it is cultural.   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 03:23 PM (EST) 49. "RE: Well said, Femme!" Interesting. So black men identify themselves first as men, then as black? I follow the masculinity argument. Gay black men (and, I assume, women) are probably one of the most ostracized segments of American society. I have just never heard a white man use the term "faggot" to insult a black man. Maybe it's something that takes place outside of the South. A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie   Top

Captain_Savem 3731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-28-04, 03:38 PM (EST) 54. "RE: Well said, Femme!" So black men identify themselves first as men, then as black? Almost. It's more like there's a heavy emphasis on the "man" part. I have just never heard a white man use the term "faggot" to insult a black man. Neither have I. The Evolution Continues...   Top

Captain_Savem 3731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-28-04, 03:39 PM (EST) 55. "RE: Well said, Femme!" The Evolution Continues...   Top

emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 03:03 PM (EST) 42. "RE: Well said, Femme!" ::STALK:: And correct me if I'm wrong, Cappy, but Eminem is not "allowed" to call anyone "nigger" in his songs because he is white. He did in one and all hell broke loose.... Courtesy of the Amazing Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

Captain_Savem 3731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-28-04, 03:22 PM (EST) 48. "RE: Well said, Femme!" Correctamundo! Because at the end of the day Eminem is still white. See, when a black person says it, you know there's no malice behind it, because he's black too. When a white person says it, there generally is. The Evolution Continues...   Top

emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 03:24 PM (EST) 50. "RE: Well said, Femme!" But I thought Fonzie was white too But remember Eminem is 50's favorite white boy....as he should be... Courtesy of the Amazing Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004 made him a bazillionairre   Top

amea_gari 585 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-28-04, 10:26 PM (EST) 63. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Trying to sum up my immense dislike of this guy in the face of all this adoration gave me an immense headache. But you said it very well, Femme. Kudos. To the fans: Great poets work within SOME grammatical boundaries. Poetic license doesn't mean eschewing every rule. Genius comes from working with the rules. Roger Waters, Alfred Tennyson, Robert Frost...that's what I call genius. This stuff? I don't think so.   Top

Lisapooh 12664 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-04, 09:22 AM (EST) 68. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" >Genius comes from working with the rules. I think genius comes from stretching the rules, pushing the boundaries of the rules, redefining the rules and at times completely abandoning them. Think of all the people we see today as "genius" that were thought of as upstart, untalented freaks in their time. I'm not saying Eminem is at that level - but I do think he's talented and I think he has elevated his genre. I personally can't think of anything more stifling to creative expression than approaching it with a set of rules in place. New ways of telling a story - whether through art, the written word or music - that can be (but isn't always) genius. Rigidly adhering to someone else's standards of accepted expression doesn't sound like genius to me - it sounds like the antithesis of it.   Top

AugustGirl 11534 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-04, 09:34 AM (EST) 70. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" I couldn't agree with you more, Pooh. If people had only followed the rules, we'd still be using horses as our primary mode of transportation, reading books that are written by hand only, reading those books by candlelight, and "curing" diseases by bloodletting. Not to mention living without television, telephones, Wonderbras, air conditioning, and Rice Krispie treats. "Imagination is more important than knowledge." -Albert Einstein   Top

anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-04, 09:51 AM (EST) 71. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Totally agree, Pooh. Rules have their place--in freshman comp or parliamentary procedure. If we insist that music, literature or poetry follow some set of rules, then we might as well wrte a few software programs and let the computers create it all for us. American vernacular doesn't follow rules. Why would it's music? Eminem is many things: crass, disgusting, funny, cruel, but above all he is satirical. Part of the problem with his image is that most of his audience is too ignorant to get it and the rest of them are to embarassed to admit that they do. Miscellaneous Ramblings --I don't agree with everything he says, but that still doesn't make it ALL bad   Top

amea_gari 585 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-31-04, 03:16 PM (EST) 84. "My point was:" Genius comes from working WITH the rules. I didn't say strictly adhereing to every rule, all the time. It's easy to dump all the rules, it doesn't take creativity. Every artist I have ever known will say that working with some guidelines, some rules is what breeds creativity. I personally know this to be true from my particular field. Art is a form of communication, and communication does, for the most part, follow rules and guidelines-- otherwise communication wouldn't exist. Emminem doesn't stretch the rules, or bend them. He doesn't even hold them as guidelines. I see no genius in what he does, and, Kim, saying "Part of the problem with his image is that most of his audience is too ignorant to get it and the rest of them are to embarassed to admit that they do," is really presumptuous. I'm not disputing your right to say it, of course, just offering my own opinion. We all get passionate when defending the 'artistic expression' that we love, but the suggestion that "people don't get him because they're too ignorant" is arrogant, to put it mildly. Oh, and yes, many wonderful artists were not appreciated in their own time. But, just because a person is not appreciated in his own time doesn't mean he was a great artist. For every Van Gogh who is remembered, there are hundreds of people who produced garbage, and were never given any credit. For that matter, there were plenty of artists who were celebrated at the time they lived, but who are now considered hacks. Emminem is pretty popular, isn't he?   Top

anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-04, 03:52 PM (EST) 86. "RE: My point was:" and, Kim, saying "Part of the problem with his image is that most of his audience is too ignorant to get it and the rest of them are to embarassed to admit that they do," is really presumptuous. I'm not disputing your right to say it, of course, just offering my own opinion.We all get passionate when defending the 'artistic expression' that we love, but the suggestion that "people don't get him because they're too ignorant" is arrogant, to put it mildly. I'm presumptious AND arrogant, eh? Wow. And it's not even a topic I really care that much about. I'd love to see how you reply when you were disputing my right to say something. and I guess implying that those of who like him are incapable of recognizing talent by saying: To the fans: Great poets work within SOME grammatical boundaries. Poetic license doesn't mean eschewing every rule. Genius comes from working with the rules isn't arrogant. That's just what, helpful? Gee, thanks. I didn't know what a GREAT poet did. Silly English degree. I obviously wasted my money. I spend my entire working day with Eminem's target audience and have for the past 10 years. I feel pretty comfortable making that assertion with a liberal dose of sarcasm. How many 15 to 19-year-old boys have you hung out with on a regular basis lately? I'm not saying that they are stupid. I adore them (not in a Mary Kay kind of way, of course). I'm merely saying that they don't always have a clear grasp of the concepts of satire or irony. Not all of them. Not all the time. Yes, Eminem is pretty popular and extremely well-recieved by critics. That would be why he won that little award last year...what is it they call it? Oh, yeah, the Academy Award. That's it. Miscellaneous Ramblings --the Oscar competition was pretty weak, you know, with those hacks Bono and Paul Simon in the mix.   Top

amea_gari 585 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-31-04, 04:24 PM (EST) 87. "RE: My point was:" LAST EDITED ON 10-31-04 AT 04:29 PM (EST) "I'm presumptious AND arrogant, eh? Wow. And it's not even a topic I really care that much about. I'd love to see how you reply when you were disputing my right to say something." You'll notice I said your statements were presumptuous and arrogant. I stopped short of calling you those things, in keeping with the guidelines. "Yes, Emminem is pretty popular and extremely well-recieved by critics. That would be why he won that little award last year...what is it they call it? Oh, yeah, the Academy Award. That's it." I believe that only furthers my own point, where I stated that many hacks have been appreciated within their own time. Yes, Emminem is definitely celebrated. I also might add that my own degree in Film, as well as the many people I know who work in the business, has taught me how the Academy Awards work. Winning one is not a stamp of quality, by ANY means. It does, however, show how popular he is. "Silly English degree. I obviously wasted my money." I guess I have to keep my opinions about "Silly English degree"s to myself.   Top

anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-04, 04:31 PM (EST) 88. "RE: My point was:" LAST EDITED ON 10-31-04 AT 04:39 PM (EST) No, I'd love to know your opinion on English degrees. Do share. Edited to add: You'll notice I said your statements were presumptuous and arrogant. I stopped short of calling you those things, in keeping with the guidelines. That really makes me laugh. Heartily.   Top

Smooth23 1244 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 11-01-04, 02:21 AM (EST) 92. "RE: My point was:" I find it quite funny that some people are saying Eminems music isn't genius on the grounds that it doesn't necessarily follow some form of imaginary guidelines or rules. Tons of the historical stuff that you might consider genius tosses out the rules. An example that might be fresh in peoples minds: The Lord of the Rings. The books are anything but conventionally written.   Top

amea_gari 585 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 11-01-04, 02:48 AM (EST) 93. "RE: My point was:" How so? LOTR was so successful, in part, because Tolkien based his imaginings in established mythologies. He created a whole new fantastical world out of the meagre offerings (relatively) of Northern Europe. He expounded on what was familiar and classic to people. He made this claim himself. I know that's a big reason why I love his work. And I dispute that "Tons of the historical stuff that you might consider genius tosses out the rules.". No, the rules are rarely tossed out willy nilly, completely. Things are rarely done COMPLETELY outside of established guidelines. There is usually something to keep a work grounded. As I said, poetic license only means something when there are rules left to be stretched. I don't believe Emminem's work shows any creativity. I believe his failure to be creative comes from completely ignoring any kind of guidelines, standards, or rules of artistic communication. Let me give an example. Sometimes rules are in fact physical limits of a medium. Film, for example, is a remarkably limited medium. Because of these 'limits' or 'rules', there is a massive amount of creativity that goes into a film's production. How do we give the appearance of this or that happening? How can we fool the camera? When these physical limits are removed, you have an interesting phenomenon take place. The original Star Wars was produced in a time when Special Effects were mechanical. The current Star Wars films were produced in a time when CGI allowed for physical limits to be utterly removed from special effects. And yet the creativity was wanting. Limits were removed, but the films were inferior to their predecessors. They lacked heart. Limits , rules, and guidelines, whether self-imposed (such as the rules of language and prose), or whether physical requirements, (such as the inability to defy physics or film an actual Starship out in space), breed creativity. I am far from advocating a strict adherence to rules all of the time. That's what the concept of poetic license is for. But when I hear the sort of thing Emminem produces, I am left cold, unintrigued, and uninspired. And I know this is why. it's not because I am too ignorant to understand his cosmic message. His messages are pretty obvious, and pretty much what I hear everywhere. It's not because I am turned off by his obscene language, or his attitude. It's because I don't see the beauty OR brutality of his messages. I see nothing there. Now that I have ranted against Emminem, you can make me cry by telling me what an overrated pansy Roger Waters is.   Top

Jims02 7407 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-04, 12:06 PM (EST) 81. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" LAST EDITED ON 10-29-04 AT 12:06 PM (EST) *burns every e e cummings poem* Emily Dickensen would be gone too. Too many dashes.   Top

amea_gari 585 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-31-04, 03:23 PM (EST) 85. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" "Great poets work within SOME grammatical boundaries. Poetic license doesn't mean eschewing every rule. Genius comes from working with the rules." That doesn't cut out Emily Dickenson or e e cummings.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 01:31 PM (EST) 28. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" I prefer the peanut ones.   Top

Lasann 3616 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-31-04, 05:33 PM (EST) 90. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Made me laugh deep in my throat! After the serious back and forth this was well appreciated! I heart Eminem!   Top

greenmonstah 10761 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-31-04, 05:36 PM (EST) 91. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Now this: "I prefer the peanut ones. "...is why I heart you so much. *Double scritch today*   Top

Captain_Savem 3731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-28-04, 02:30 PM (EST) 34. "This?" Is pure brilliance, and one of my favorites... Marshall Mathers from the Marshall Mathers LP Yo, you might see me joggin, you might see me walkin You might see me walkin a dead rottweiler dog with it's head chopped off in the park with a spiked collar hollerin at him cause the son of a bitch won't quit barkin (grrrr, ARF ARF) Or leanin out a window, with a cocked shotgun Drivin up the block in the car that they shot 'Pac in Lookin for Big's killers, dressed in ridiculous blue and red like I don't see what the big deal is Double barrel twelve gauge bigger than Chris Wallace {Notorious B.I.G.} Pissed off, cause Biggie and 'Pac just missed all this Watchin all these cheap imitations get rich off 'em and get dollars that shoulda been there's like they switched wallets And amidst all this Crist' poppin and wristwatches I had to sit back and just watch and just get nauseous and walk around with an empty bottle of Remi Martin startin shit like some 26-year-old skinny Cartman ("God damnit!") I'm anti-Backstreet and Ricky Martin with instincts to kill N'Sync, don't get me started These f*ckin brats can't sing and Britney's garbage What's this bitch retarded? Gimme back my sixteen dollars All I see is sissies in magazines smiling Whatever happened to whylin out and bein violent? Whatever happened to catchin a good-ol' fashioned passionate #####-whoopin and gettin your shoes coat and your hat tooken? The Evolution Continues...   Top

frisky 11695 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 02:36 PM (EST) 35. "RE: This?" Tooken? Yes, kitties can have blogs, too.   Top

Captain_Savem 3731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-28-04, 02:41 PM (EST) 36. "RE: This?" Hey, some people talk like that... The Evolution Continues...   Top

Femme 3621 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-28-04, 02:51 PM (EST) 39. "RE: This?" Yes, my three year old son with his delayed speech says things like that. Femme "Shock me, shock me, shock me with your deviant behavior."   Top

emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 03:05 PM (EST) 43. "RE: This?" LAST EDITED ON 10-28-04 AT 03:06 PM (EST) It is the language rappers use and whether good or bad, he is at least genuine in his use of it... Courtesy of the Amazing Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004 et change a word that sounded "problematic"   Top

AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 03:30 PM (EST) 51. "Dog bites man" OK, so now I know that a hate-filled foul-mouthed rapper doesn't like Bush. My question: is there anyone out there who expected that a hate-filled foul-mouthed rapper would support Bush?   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 03:32 PM (EST) 52. "RE: Dog bites man" It would be quite a conundrum for a hate-filled foul-mouthed rapper to like a president who claims that God speaks to him, no? A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie   Top

AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 03:36 PM (EST) 53. "More for others" LAST EDITED ON 10-28-04 AT 03:42 PM (EST) I agree. Of course, there is also a conundrum for those of us who believe that Eminem has some talent that he disguises under the hate-filled foul-mouthed lyrics! The CORE Eminem conundrum: How to admit that you actually listen to this guy sometimes without seeming to acquiesce in all of his repulsive, nihilistic weltanschauung? A bigger conundrum: what's the plural of conundrum? http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-5253,00.html   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 03:43 PM (EST) 56. "But" LAST EDITED ON 10-28-04 AT 03:47 PM (EST) what do you think about Prince? ETA: Honestly, don't these people have more important things to do than discuss the plural of conundrum? Phhhtttt! What a waste of time! A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie   Top

TechNoir 9741 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 07:30 PM (EST) 62. "RE: More for others" conundra of course ... the proponents of alternatives have no soul   Top

TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-28-04, 04:19 PM (EST) 58. "RE: Dog bites man" My question: is there anyone out there who expected that a hate-filled foul-mouthed rapper would support Bush? Speaking of weirdos... I wonder how Marilyn Manson will vote. These reality show contestants need a reality check!   Top

ginger 22512 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 04:21 PM (EST) 59. "RE: Dog bites man" Kerry, according to his recent Graham Norton appearance. Not surprisingly, Chris Rock, the other guest, was also anti-Bush. The Hills Have IceCat. Down here...we all...FLOAT.   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-28-04, 04:22 PM (EST) 60. "RE: Dog bites man" A talk-show host here in NE (Howie Carr) derisively refers to John Kerry as one of the "beautiful people," so MM probably will vote against him, right? A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie Oops! I've politicized this thresd. Sorry!   Top

RudyRules 8360 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-04, 09:17 AM (EST) 67. "RE: Howie Carr" LOVEY, LOVEY! (In Kerry Boston Brahman accent) Your 2003 College Football Pool Ultimate Prize Winner!   Top

electricSiren 4 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 10-29-04, 07:51 AM (EST) 64. "RE: VOTE KERRY!" bush is a liar. and so on..   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-04, 08:11 AM (EST) 65. "RE: VOTE KERRY!" Do you have a link for that? A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie   Top

cqvenus 9765 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-04, 09:33 AM (EST) 69. "swoop!" i just had to swoop on an eminem thread. eminem... *drool* ~ cq Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

badger 1273 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 10-29-04, 09:54 AM (EST) 72. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" LAST EDITED ON 10-29-04 AT 09:55 AM (EST) i have been thinking a lot about this song. as a grad student, i spend a lot of time with the upper end of what i would guess is eminem's target audience (16-21). i brought up the song with my students yesterday, and they mentioned wednesday's south park episode that was about voting. but i don't think this song is about voting. i think it's about taking to the streets and seizing power. if you watch the video, the youth in it all don black hoodies -- a symbol in my mind at least of the anarchist black bloc. is eminem prepping folks to riot if p diddy's "vote or die" campaign doesn't work? as much as eminiem's misogyny irks me, i find his anger -- this working class, white male rage -- pretty interesting and pretty powerful. and i'm happy to see it directed at the state, and not at women or gays. can i forgive him for his past hatred? not yet   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-04, 10:01 AM (EST) 74. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" i find his anger -- this working class, white male rage -- pretty interesting and pretty powerful. and i'm happy to see it directed at the state, and not at women or gays. So, why cloak this white, middle-class, male anger in rap? Is it b/c that is the medium in which young white males are expressing themselves and from which they are getting their socialization? (I would add "urban" to that description, b/c most of the white male southerners I know would kick M&M's ##### if they ever met him.) A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie I never thought I would spend this much time discussing M&M. *sigh* I guess he deserves some credit for that.   Top

anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-04, 10:09 AM (EST) 76. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" because they make up a tremendous amount of his audience. Even in my uber rural Southern school, kids listen to Eminem and rap in general. It's as or more popular than country and we live in the outskirts of Nashville. Miscellaneous Ramblings --have you watched MTV lately?   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-04, 10:13 AM (EST) 77. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Nashville is a different creature b/c of the music industry. I would even argue that in most southern cities (Atlanta, Charlotte, New Orleans, etc.), rap is probably popular. But what about in rural areas, away from urban influence? A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie I skip through MTV occasionally. I prefer to let my mind rot on Reality TV, though.   Top

anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-04, 10:43 AM (EST) 79. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" I don't actually live or teach in Nashville, though. I teach in a very small unincorporated town. Not an urban area at all. I just used the Nashville reference because most people assume that if kids live in teh country, they listen to country music and that is just not so. Miscellaneous Ramblings --I don't watch it much either. Not my taste at all anymore.   Top

badger 1273 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 10-29-04, 09:59 AM (EST) 73. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" LAST EDITED ON 10-29-04 AT 10:08 AM (EST) and in the interest of minimizing new political threads, i'll post this here -- (from Salon Magazine): Get ready for a November surprise A "black young'n" says the polls and pundits just don't get the new voter realities. Kerry wins in a blowout, predicts this Salon reader. - - - - - - - - - - - - By Kevin Criss Oct. 27, 2004 | I am a 21-year-old African-American/loyal Salon reader/frequent writer to you. Although I love you all a lot and, like you (assuming so), I am a liberal, I just feel I have to scream at you for a bit. Almost two weeks ago, I sent a letter to you guys telling you how the new Eminem song "Mosh" has many young'ns riled up, angry, motivated and against Bush. Now 10 days or so later, not only you guys but many publications are up on it. My point? Maybe you guys should listen more to us young'ns, maybe have a young person consultant of sorts. After all, we will decide this election, as I will point out later in this letter. First, let me just say prepare for the death of polls, as that will be the dominant story coming out of election night. First blacks. I saw Ann Coulter on some show where she was literally speaking for black America. Being that she is an aging white chick with poorly dyed roots, she obviously got it wrong. Those polls saying how Bush will get 16 to 18 percent of the black vote are just wrong. To quote ODB, "Nigga please." Since black people aren't really polled, here is a bit of insight. Although we aren't that excited about Kerry, he has nothing to worry about with the African-American community. We as a whole don't like Bush, period. Yes, Democrats take us for granted and regardless of which party, we are at the bottom of the totem poll, but we realize that Democrats talk to us, try with us, are down with us, and give us a seat at the table. We are gamed to what the GOP do, or rather don't do for us. Locally, as all politics are, as a person living in Louisiana, I can tell you that the more racist persons here are a part of the Republican Party and to us the GOP chooses them over us. Plus, we are highly motivated. You just don't realize how pissed we are from Florida last time. Bringing out Clinton won't hurt, but Kerry shouldn't worry about us African-Americans. Next, us young'ns. We aren't as stupid as people think. Simply put, we are in Iraq fighting or we know someone there, we have no health insurance, no jobs, and are generally pro-human rights (not for the gay marriage amendment, PATRIOT Act, etc.). We aren't going to vote for Bush, period. Kerry will take about 70 percent of the young vote. I am predicting, collectively there will at least 20 million more voters from these two groups, young'ns and blacks. You maybe think "yeah the ##### right" -- but trust me. On average 30 percent of African-Americans vote. Expect a minimum of 50 percent this time, maybe close to double. That is anywhere between 7 to 9 million more blacks voting. Young'ns will have a similar margin. Again, we at most vote at a 40 percent rate. Young'ns will easily double their numbers, going from 18 million to about 36 million. Here are things to ponder. Kerry wins Arizona: This state has the most college students per capita. Kerry will win Flagstaff, Tucson and Tempe. Throw in Native Americans, Latins, and even moderate Republicans who will vote Democratic (they got the Democratic governor elected), and oh I forgot all the Independents, Kerry will win this state. Kerry wins Nevada: This state simply comes down to Vegas. Kerry will win Vegas by a big enough margin to cancel out the rest of the state. Kerry win Missouri: What people either don't realize or just don't give a ##### to report is that the black mobilization efforts in St. Louis and Kansas City are second to none, literally. Florida got the attention last time, but people seem to have forgotten that blacks there were denied the right to vote at many polling places that were closed on them. Throw in college towns, Kerry wins. Kerry wins Minnesota: I can't believe people actually think this state is close. What people tend to forget is that voters here can register as you vote. Throw in Ventura's endorsement and the young'ns. Kerry wins Colorado: Sometimes people just got to listen to the streets. I have family and friends in Colorado, and what they tell me is that "Fahrenheit 9/11" has had a huge impact there, so much so they are still talking about it, and as people watched it they were changed by it. How can a tradtional red state have a rich ##### Senate candidate getting his ##### kicked and polls showing Bush/Kerry within the margin. Kerry wins. Kerry wins Texas: PSYCH! But just as people are saying Kerry wins CA, NY, and NJ by closer margins, so does Bush take his own state. I'll go out on a margin and say Bush gets no more than 60 percent in his own state. Holla. Just to save space and time: Kerry wins Arkansas, New Mexico, Ohio, Florida, N. Hampshire, and Penn. He may lose Iowa, as I really don't know much about that state. Kerry wins nationally in a blowout. Election night is over as central time zone states finish reporting. Why? Because of blacks and young'ns. Bush's people know this, as their strategy is to turn out their base while suppressing our base ... f****rs. I ask that in the future that you at least take in more opinions from us young'ns and Afro Americans.   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-04, 10:06 AM (EST) 75. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" I agree with part of this--unregistered young voters might make the difference in this election and may shock pollsters with a modestly comfortable margin of victory for either candidate. A PhoenixMons(ter) Siggie   Top

geg6 14941 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-04, 10:29 AM (EST) 78. "I don't necessarily agree with his predictions but..." I DO have to agree with parts of what this young man says. I have worked in higher education for over 15 years. The students at campus at which I am currently employed have never been as politically active and outraged as they are this year. Almost every car in the student lots has a Kerry sticker. They are wearing the "Vote or Die" t-shirts. They are having rallies and had a huge voter registration event. Two students saw my copy of Paul O'Neil's book in my car and asked to borrow it. I am truly amazed by this. I have talked to a few, asking if they had been contacted by any pollsters, either by phone or e-mail. None have. Several out-of-state students mentioned that they have already sent in their absentee ballots (boggle!). I think they might surprise us. And if Republicans think they are going to get any significant percentage of the African-American vote, they should let the rest of the world in on the great stuff they must be smoking. I've never seen such fury among my black friends as I have over the 2000 Florida debacle.   Top

emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-04, 12:03 PM (EST) 80. "SNL appearance 10/30/04" Well, we may hear this song (but probably not) on SNL this weekend...Em's the musical guest I highly doubt if we will get a repeat of last week's fiasco...Em only runs off the stage in his movie.... Courtesy of the Amazing Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004 I will make sure to TIVO this episode--maybe he'll even do a skit or two..   Top

Lisapooh 12664 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-04, 12:10 PM (EST) 82. "RE: SNL appearance 10/30/04" he should sing "pieces of me" - that would be funny.   Top

geg6 14941 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-29-04, 01:14 PM (EST) 83. "RE: SNL appearance 10/30/04" Bwahahahahahahahaha!   Top

badger 1273 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 10-31-04, 04:41 PM (EST) 89. "RE: Eminem calls for revolution against Bush" Another interesting article on Eminem and the election politics of hip hop: http://www.popmatters.com/music/columns/fuchs/041027.shtml Eminem's capacity to move money is well-established, in part because he and Dre have staunchly refused to use his enormous popularity to sell sodas and shoes. Em's contribution to the election begins with his announcement that he will vote, not for Kerry, but against Bush. It's a recognizable, sympathetic position. And for Em, bashing Bush is almost too easy. For all his millions, the artist doesn't rap about bling, but about friendship, family, and disappointment, about trust, anger, and fear. In a word, he raps about being young, no easy task in 2004. Even at the Iraq war's start, back in 2003, then 28-year-old Em was already on the case, critical of what he saw as a bogus call to patriotism, dumped on recruits and reservists in need of cash: Next thing you know, you've got Uncle Sam's ##### askin' / to join the Army or what you'll do for their Navy. / You just a baby, gettin recruited at eighteen," he rapped in the aptly titled "Squaredance." "Mosh," off Eminem's upcoming album Encore, shows that his previous easy targets -- Michael, Pee-wee, and Madonna -- can now take a number. "Let me be the voice, in your strength and your choice," he says, agitating his legions of fans, all those "just like me" kids who understand his wit and rage. "Let me simplify the rhyme, just to amplify the noise," he raps, the beat hard, typically pounding. Let the president answer on higher anarchy. Strap him with an AK-47, let him go fight his own war, Let him impress daddy that way, No more blood for oil, We got our own battles to fight on our own soil. No more psychological warfare to trick us To thinking that we ain't loyal. The new video does indeed amplify the noise. Opening as a plane zooms and booms ominously over a school house, the frame enters a classroom window to find a red-tied and blue-suited (read: "presidential") Eminem reading to an assortment of children. Today's lesson, on the chalkboard, every breed of conspiracy theory ("Bush Knew") and fear-mongering counter-tactic (the Secret Service's previous alert that Eminem was anti-Bush, "Congress Okays $87 Billion for Iraq"). The camera tracks an animated Lloyd Banks striding the street, only to be stopped by the police, and then again, Eminem as he exhorts concertgoers to "Give your faith and your trust, as I guide us through the fog, to the light at the end of the tunnel." The camera "pans" over to show the U.S. flag behind the artist on stage, reclaiming the patriotism that the administration has repeatedly declared its own. The "Mosh" video's charges are varied and acute, as individuals gather together to form a new "army." Black men harassed by the cops, a young man called up for Iraq, a young mother evicted, and Bush grainy and eyes-shifty on television: "Look in his eyes, it's all lies, the stars and stripes, have been swiped, washed out and wiped, / And replaced with his own face." Showing his face, adding his voice to those calling for Bush's removal from office, Eminem throws down. By video's end, he signs up to vote, a gesture more desperate than hopeful perhaps, and a challenge as well. If his renowned "army" follows on 2 November, joining with those many other members of the hip-hop nation, the day might yet yield a surprise. And although I am happy that this is the most successful thread I've ever started, I don't think we are going to get very far debating the "artistic genius" of Eminem. I mean, the standards of the institutions of (capital A) Art or (capital P) Poetry automatically dismiss the work of producers of popular culture. We literature profs and cultural elitists can rave about the "genius" of Tennyson or Poe, but you aren't going to see the same attention or glory given to verses written by the likes of Stevie Wonder, Dan Fogerty, or David Crosby -- beautiful and thought provoking and "genius" as they may be. (We'll see if Bob Dylan someday wins a Nobel Prize for literature -- that might change everything) But whether the man is a genius or a gimmick, Eminem is massively popular and by extension hugely influential. Popular culture matters, whether we dance to it or not. And if Eminem is calling for kids of take to the streets, it's going to mean a lot more to the youth of today than will the "Charge of the Light Brigade."   Top

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