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subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-18-04, 07:58 PM (EST) "How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan....for when he is elected President when Bush has run up record deficits ($450 Billion+) as Resident and has not shown how he plans to fund his grandiose plans for "Star Wars" etc.?   Top

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bacon 2824 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 09-18-04, 08:02 PM (EST) 1. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." At this point Bush could say that he's related to Osama Bin Laden and it wouldn't matter. This idiot is bulletproof.   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-18-04, 08:07 PM (EST) 2. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." "Bush related to Osama Bin Laden"...reported today by confidential source to the "Elect Kerry President" committee.   Top

PagongRatEater 12996 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 01:05 AM (EST) 41. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Wasn't that Dan Rather reporting?   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-19-04, 01:18 AM (EST) 45. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." I wondered when you'd show up.....was it all of the Dem blood in the water? I found a picture of Bush's here to unknown lovechild and posted it at the bottom of the thread. How will the spin doctors handle this one?   Top

seahorse 14337 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 08:08 PM (EST) 3. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." LAST EDITED ON 09-18-04 AT 08:11 PM (EST) Did you ever hear of 9-11, the War on terrorism, worldwide record oil price and outsourcing of jobs. These are things that were beyond the control of anyone as president. Thy also cost a tremendous amount of money that any President would have had to put up with.h My personal thoughts are that any man would have run up huge deficits as president at this time. ©Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

Gothmog 2886 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 09-18-04, 08:43 PM (EST) 12. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." *sigh* The expensive war in Iraq (not to mention the entire unwinnable, endless War on Terrorism) was certainly "NOT beyond the control of anyone as president." Not to mention the ill-conceived tax-cut, which helped drive the deficit up.   Top

seahorse 14337 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 08:50 PM (EST) 15. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Relative to taxes, I think I can spend my money better than the politicians can. Relative to terrorism, if we would not be fighting back, there would have been many more strikes by now. All the money spent on preventing terrorism has been money well spent. Relative to the War in Iraq, I think Kerry voted to authorize the war but he did change his mind about 5 or 6 times. ©Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

Gothmog 2886 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 09-18-04, 09:43 PM (EST) 22. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." LAST EDITED ON 09-19-04 AT 11:58 AM (EST) I think I can spend my money better than the politicians can I hear this argument constantly, and it always annoys me, because people usually spend their money for selfish reasons rather than the greater public good (idiots in my area voted for an unnecessary sports stadium while turning down every single school levy). But it's not the point. This tax-cut contributed to the rise of the deficit. You aren't spending your own money with the tax cuts; you are borrowing from your children, who will have to work harder and pay more to repay it. If we would not be fighting back, there would have been many more strikes by now. All the money spent on preventing terrorism has been money well spent. This is just as unprovable as saying that 9/11 would not have happened if Gore had been elected. A matter of opinion, one which I happen to disagree with. I believe our current efforts to fight terrorism could not have done more to recruit potential terrorists into their cause than if we had put up Al Qaeda posters in downtown Riyadh. I think Kerry voted to authorize the war but he did change his mind about 5 or 6 times. There's a difference between being misled into grudgingly supporting a war and waging it. Specious argument, as I'm sure you are aware. Edited to fix spelling of Al Qaeda   Top

seahorse 14337 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 10:14 PM (EST) 26. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Of course I spend my money for my own selfish reasons rather than the greater public good. The government gets about 40% of all my family earns and I think it is more than enough. I am not going to feel sorry for the Government if the deficit goes up, If tax revenues were increased by $100,000,000 a year the Government would not reduce the deficit, they would spend it. The spending by Government has increased at a faster pace than the GDP for way too many years and it can not continue indefinitely. So no I do not think taxes or Government spending should ever be increased at a rate exceeding the growth in GDP. Maybe Al Queda would not have tried to hit us again if we sat there and did nothing after 9/11, but I think not and I am glad President Bush did not feel that way either. As far as Iraq is concerned, the world is much better off now that Saddam is gone. I do not want a President who thinks the United Nations has the best interests of the American people in mind. ©Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

Gothmog 2886 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 09-18-04, 10:33 PM (EST) 28. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." I am not going to feel sorry for the Government if the deficit goes up, If tax revenues were increased by $100,000,000 a year the Government would not reduce the deficit, they would spend it. Obviously, this statement can't be true, since Bush inherited a budget surplus. The spending by Government has increased at a faster pace than the GDP for way too many years and it can not continue indefinitely. So no I do not think taxes or Government spending should ever be increased at a rate exceeding the growth in GDP. I never said anything about tax increases or increased spending. I was talking about tax cuts and their contribution to the deficit. I do not want a President who thinks the United Nations has the best interests of the American people in mind. And I also want a President with the best interests of the American people in mind--and I don't think angering the international community while practicing vigilante justice, expending lives needlessly for a war on trumped-up reasons, all the while ignoring problems at home comprise the "best interests of the American people."   Top

seahorse 14337 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 11:13 PM (EST) 33. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." >I am not going to feel >sorry for the Government if >the deficit goes up, If >tax revenues were increased by >$100,000,000 a year the Government >would not reduce the deficit, >they would spend it. > >Obviously, this statement can't be true, >since Bush inherited a budget >surplus. Yes he inherited a deficit and then a whole bunch of other things happened which were beyond his control. > >The spending by Government has increased >at a faster pace than >the GDP for way too >many years and it can >not continue indefinitely. So no >I do not think taxes >or Government spending should ever >be increased at a rate >exceeding the growth in GDP. >I never said anything about tax >increases or increased spending. >I was talking about tax >cuts and their contribution to >the deficit. There was a surplus when the taxes were cut >I do not want a President >who thinks the United Nations >has the best interests of >the American people in mind. > > >And I also want a President >with the best interests of >the American people in mind--and >I don't think angering the >international community while practicing vigilante >justice, expending lives needlessly for >a war on trumped-up reasons, >all the while ignoring problems >at home comprise the "best >interests of the American people." Obviously you were against going into Iraq while I think it was a smart move. What you think are in the best interests of American people and what I think are in the American best interests of American people are different. So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that item. ©Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

TechNoir 9741 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 10:43 PM (EST) 30. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." All the money spent on preventing terrorism has been money well spent. I'd like to see some evidence for this statement. I find it hard to believe that there has been no waste, no poor decision-making, no mis-direction of funds, but I am willing to look at the evidence.   Top

seahorse 14337 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 00:16 AM (EST) 38. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." I am not trying to say that there is no waste in spending on terrorism. I think there is too much waste in almost all Government spending because the Government is not profit motivated. Each department has an incentive to spend to keep the departmental budget from being cut the following year. I do think that money spent on terrorism is as important or more important than Government spending on most other items. ©Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

nailbone 27263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-20-04, 09:40 AM (EST) 76. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." I find it hard to believe that there has been no waste, no poor decision-making, no mis-direction of funds, but I am willing to look at the evidence. Of course there's all those things!! This is the government we're talking about, and it's that way no matter which party is in office. Handcrafted by RollDdice Omnia in bonum o-   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-18-04, 10:45 PM (EST) 31. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Maybe if he did a little coke like Bush it would give him a clear head?   Top

I_Got_Nutn 897 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 09-19-04, 00:11 AM (EST) 37. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." not to mention the entire unwinnable, endless War on Terrorism Ok, tear up the Constitution, disband Congress and send the Supremes home. Bring in the Imans and Ayatollahs. Hand out the prayer rugs. If we can't win we should just surrender. Yeah, It's a JSlice Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?   Top

PagongRatEater 12996 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 01:09 AM (EST) 42. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." If not for the tax cuts the economy would STILL be in the tank from the Clinton Recession that Bush inherited. Add to that 9-11 and it's a miracle we're doing as well as we are at this moment. Although I would LOVE to see some spending cuts, do you really think Kerry's huge social agenda is going to actually cut spending? Tax cuts, even without offsetting cuts in spendin, will eventually force the government to live within their means without feeling like they need to steal my money and redistribute it to someone else.   Top

landruajm 6040 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 11:52 AM (EST) 58. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." >If not for the tax cuts the economy would STILL be in the tank Uhm...the economy is in the tank. >from the Clinton Recession that Bush inherited. Jiminy. The creativity is incredible. You mean the recession that followed the longest peacetime economic boom in living memory, if not in history? Recession and prosperity being normal parts of the business cycle that vary only in length? > Add to that 9-11 and it's a miracle we're doing as well as we are at this moment. Right. Amped-up spending on the "war" on terrorism and on military actions in Afghanistan and Iraq depressed the economy exactly how? >Although I would LOVE to see some spending cuts, do you really think Kerry's huge social agenda is going to actually cut spending? WHAT huge social agenda? >Tax cuts, even without offsetting cuts in spendin, will eventually force the government to live within their means No. They force the government to increase the national debt. There is simply no evidence or experience to the contrary. >without feeling like they need to steal my money >and redistribute it to someone else. We'll be sure to tell the military that you have personally waived your right to be defended, since you apparently view funding that as "stealing."   Top

desert_rhino 10087 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 12:25 PM (EST) 60. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Landru, buddy... I love you, but you've SOOOOO got to lay off the Koolaid for a while. -- JV http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3542829&thesection=news&thesubsection=world http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3937/is_1996_March-April/ai_18367626 http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2548/is_2002_Nov-Dec/ai_95056816/ http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040415-071021-3532r.htm VERY interesting: http://cepa.newschool.edu/het/essays/keynes/deficit.htm   Top

Gothmog 2886 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 09-19-04, 04:06 PM (EST) 65. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." I particularly liked these passages from your first link: The Bush Administration prefers to attribute the recovery to its tax cuts, targeted disproportionately towards rich Americans. Many non-Administration economists, however, say this is nonsense, and that the tax cuts are far more political than they are stimulative. and: "The Administration is conducting a highly irresponsible fiscal policy, and there is no legitimate economist on the face of the earth who doesn't say the tax cuts are just loony," said Kent Sims, a San Francisco economic consultant and public policy expert. "The chosen weapon for dragging the economy off the floor - now that an election is coming - is the deficit. Military expenditure is usually the least effective of short-run ways of spending money, because it doesn't build infrastructure that give you returns over time. But it does create a short-term lift."   Top

PagongRatEater 12996 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 05:54 PM (EST) 66. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." You're going to hang your argument on what a consultant from San Francisco (no offense MiamiCatt) has to say about Bush? Really? The proof is in the pudding - Bush cut my taxes and the economy got better despite the billions of dollars in damages to the economy from 9/11. Unless you're going to argue that the Clinton Recession was going to improve all on it's own.   Top

landruajm 6040 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 07:15 PM (EST) 67. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." By the same logic, Bush got elected President and terrorists crashed the World Trade Center towers, hence Bush is a terrorist.   Top

PagongRatEater 12996 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-20-04, 08:57 AM (EST) 71. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." That makes no logical sense. The terrorists acted on their own. Are you saying that the economy acted on its own and that the recovery from Clinton's recession was just luck?   Top

landruajm 6040 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-20-04, 09:02 AM (EST) 73. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." I'm saying that "proof" does not necessarily lie in the pudding at which you seem to be looking. I chose hyperbole as a tool to attempt to make that point. I weep that my humble effort was such a miserable failure.   Top

PagongRatEater 12996 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-20-04, 09:05 AM (EST) 75. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Weep like a baby or like that Indian in the old litter commercials? And I would still argue that the tax cuts are the 'smokin' gun' in the economic recovery, but on that point reasonable people can disagree. I just haven't seen an alternate explanation.   Top

desert_rhino 10087 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-20-04, 01:08 PM (EST) 82. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." And I would still argue that the tax cuts are the 'smokin' gun' in the economic recovery, but on that point reasonable people can disagree. I just haven't seen an alternate explanation I'm guessing you didn't follow any of those links I provided. It's pretty clear that the economy didn't start recovering AT ALL until after the government started spending money it didn't have. Deficit spending ALWAYS boosts the economy in the short term. Too bad it's not working as well this time as it has in the past. In fact, I'd argue that with total jobs still below the figures that Shrub inherited and average weekly wages not keeping pace with inflation (in regards to both of which I've posted recently), the economy has no more turned the corner than I have turned my potted petunia into a money plant. Then again, you personally are doing well, so everyone else must be, right? -- JV   Top

landruajm 6040 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-20-04, 01:11 PM (EST) 83. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." I'm guessing you didn't follow any of those links I provided. And you went so far out of your way to find something relevant from the Washington Moon. So it's your turn to get whacked like a mole today? Just trying to keep the schedule straight.   Top

PagongRatEater 12996 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-20-04, 01:39 PM (EST) 84. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." What would make you think that I'm among the leisure class? I assure you, it's not the case. In fact, I did check out several of the news article/opinion pieces on alternate theories regarding economic growth and while they offer an interesting explanation regarding GDP growth the response on the correlation between tax cuts and increased government revenues is not all that well addressed. (e.g. between 1980 and 1988 the government cut taxes twice and double revenues). The bottom line is whether or not trickle down actually works - I believe it does, you believe it doesn't - I believe that it is morally superior to allow people to keep as much of the money that they earn as is possible.   Top

desert_rhino 10087 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-20-04, 02:30 PM (EST) 85. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." {looks for words "leisure class"} Nope. Never said that. I'm just going by your own statements on your current situation and your satisfaction with the way things have played out over the past 4 years. You feel you're doing well, right? Maybe I mis-heard. Alas, MOST people are worse off than they were 4 years ago in every measurable way. Financially, security, benefits, all down. And while we're picking nits, I still haven't seen any solid refutation of the BLS's statistics (or were those damn lies) showing that average incomes haven't even kept pace with inflation in the first 3/4 of this year... Ah yes, those would be damn lies, because they don't support the unfounded and unsubstantiated assertion that "the economy has turned the corner." Just saying. -- JV I think you'll find that those government revenue increases track better with deficit spending than with tax cuts.   Top

ExInterper 3093 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 09-20-04, 09:51 AM (EST) 77. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." LAST EDITED ON 09-20-04 AT 10:02 AM (EST) See, this is why everything we ever needed to know in life, we can learn from the Simpsons. From Much Apu about Nothing, after the town is attacked by a bear, and Quimby institutes a "Bear Patrol." Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm. Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad. Homer: Thank you, dear. Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away. Homer: Oh, how does it work? Lisa: It doesn't work. Homer: Uh-huh. Lisa: It's just a stupid rock. Homer: Uh-huh. Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you? Homer thinks of this, then pulls out some money Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock. Lisa refuses at first, then takes the exchange Mmmm...blog.... Now the question is: are we going to buy the rock that Bush is selling? ETA: This can work for more than just the tax cuts...Bush's rationale that we are safer from terrorists now fits in well too.   Top

landruajm 6040 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-20-04, 09:54 AM (EST) 78. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." I thought we established that hyperbole can't work here? Wall. Head. Repeat.   Top

ExInterper 3093 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 09-20-04, 09:57 AM (EST) 79. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Perhaps. But I always liked that quotation. And it seemed so appropos. Mmmm...blog.... Besides, you never know when you actually might get someone to reconsider their position. Unrealistic, I know. But I haven't had the cynicism fully beaten into me.   Top

landruajm 6040 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-20-04, 10:01 AM (EST) 80. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Of course it is. Wall. Head. Repeat. Here, drink some of your favorite flavor, you'll feel better.   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-18-04, 08:49 PM (EST) 14. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." No, but I did hear about a needless invaision of Irag based upon the bogus premise that we'd find stock piles of WMD? Where's the beef? I did hear about cutting taxes at the same we were contemplating spending $BB on star wars and similar defense programs. What do you think the RR CVN cost to build and operate each year? Do we really need 13 carrier task groups to defend us agianst Korea, Iraq and Canada.   Top

seahorse 14337 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 08:52 PM (EST) 16. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Every country in the world believed there were WMDs including France, Russia, and Germany. It was too risky not to take a chance on. ©Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-18-04, 09:03 PM (EST) 18. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." If they did,they certainly didn't think that we should invade Iraq at that time since they refused to support Bush's war. What is our exist strategy from THIS Vietnam..wait until we lose another 1,000 service men....?   Top

KeithFan 7422 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 09:13 PM (EST) 19. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." France and Germany both had under the table contracts with Iraq.. it's the almighty Euro that was keeping them at bay, no other reason.   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-18-04, 09:30 PM (EST) 21. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Lets see, how much is Cheney's ex-company making in Iraq? $BB's? I guess it pays to have connections in the Bush WH? Wonder if Chenney will go back to work with them after he loses this November?   Top

seahorse 14337 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 10:25 PM (EST) 27. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." There are a very limited number US Engineering and Construction companies who have the expertise to do the work that Haliburton is doing and they all are sharing in the work to some extent. Can you give me the names of three other companies big enough and with enough expertise to do the engineering and reconstruction work in Iraq that Haliburton is doing. It is about similar to the number of US companies building commercial jet aircraft. ©Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-18-04, 10:36 PM (EST) 29. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." I'm sure that you're right. Maybe the choice of companies was indeed limited, but that didn't give Haliburton a license to overcharge for its services. Also, if the situation were reversed and businesses connected to the Dems in the WH were reaping windfall profits when American soldiers were losing their lives in Iraq, the Repubs would be opening investigations.   Top

seahorse 14337 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 11:16 PM (EST) 34. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." I don't have a problem with investigations of Haliburton. If Haliburton is overcharging they should be gone after for refunds or procecution if it is criminal. I just do not think they got the work due to political connections and I am an engineer from one of their main competitors. ©Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-18-04, 11:53 PM (EST) 35. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Maybe...I just don't think that it hurt them that the former owner of the company is now the Vice-President of the U.S.? C'mon? Democrats get investigated if they take 2 papers out of the vending machine instead of just one. This really smacks of conflict of interest and favoritism. Just my opinion.   Top

KeithFan 7422 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 00:07 AM (EST) 36. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Just so we are straight; No bid contract for Halliburton in Bosnia- good. No bid contract for Halliburton in Iraq- bad.   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-19-04, 00:49 AM (EST) 40. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Bosnia....that's like comparing the value of a lemonande stand to a McDonald's franchise.   Top

seahorse 14337 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 01:10 AM (EST) 43. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." LAST EDITED ON 09-19-04 AT 01:35 AM (EST) The point is Haliburton got a similar no-bid contract in Bosnia when Bill Clinton was president as they did in Iraq when Bush was president. The contract under Clinton's watch was not questioned. Why is a similar contract on Bush's watch any different. ©Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-19-04, 01:24 AM (EST) 46. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Good point! You got me. A guy has to have something to rag about doesn't he? Given some of unfounded accusations being leveled at Kerry by the Republicans, it never occurred to me that my agrgument about Haliburton had to be supported with any facts? Aren't we changing the rules in the middle of the election?   Top

KeithFan 7422 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 02:08 AM (EST) 49. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Just go to a Kinko's in Texas, you can find all your supporting documents there.   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-19-04, 02:13 AM (EST) 51. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Ill do that. I'll be back with either the proof or paper cuts.   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-19-04, 02:04 PM (EST) 61. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." I don't think the question was about why Haliburton suddenly received work (government contracts)from the Bush administration since, as you pointed out, they were already a government contractor, but why under Bush/Chenney were they suddenly so much more successful in the number/size of those contracts? http://www.topplebush.com/cheney.shtml   Top

seahorse 14337 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 02:32 PM (EST) 62. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." If they were more successful, it was only because there were more of these type contracts available in Iraq than there were in other places like Bosnia. Remember there are only a few companies qualified to do this type of work. Do you have any information on the total amount of contracts now vs. in the past and the value going to Haliburton vs. other firms to back up your contentions in the first place. ©Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-19-04, 03:33 PM (EST) 63. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Look, I just didn't want any finger pointing from the Repubs after Kerry wins the election and Heinz gets all of the government contracts for ketchup, pickles and the like...we'll be using the highly successful Cheney model...   Top

seahorse 14337 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 04:00 PM (EST) 64. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Likely story. I think you are deluding yourself on this one subman. I think Heinz might get that contract no matter who wins. They do make very good ketchup. ©Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-19-04, 07:52 PM (EST) 68. "Republicans Criticize Bush "Mistakes" in Iraq." Even Republicans think that Bush has gotten us into a Vietnam-like quagmire in Iraq that will likely degenerate into a civil war. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040919/ts_nm/iraq_usa_policy_dc_3   Top

greenmonstah 10761 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 08:26 PM (EST) 4. "So, what is Kerry's plan?" Being partisan is fun! You get to make vast, general assumptions like the ones above, or like the ones below in small print. Handcrafted by RollDdice Kerry = dour blandness and let's face it, horse faces do not make good presidents. Bush = Idiot frat cowboy and is about ten seconds away from streaking butt naked across the Congress on a double dog dare from Jeb.   Top

zombiebaby 7356 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 08:30 PM (EST) 5. "RE: So, what is Kerry's plan?" Handcrafted by RollDdice Gus = Presidential material Why? Hairy toes rock!   Top

greenmonstah 10761 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 08:32 PM (EST) 6. "RE: So, what is Kerry's plan?" I thought so too but I did not want to brag. Think of fun government will become if Gus is elected. *smooch* I have missed you, Zombs!   Top

zombiebaby 7356 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 08:36 PM (EST) 8. "Look at us" we are sooooo political. *holds up "GUS FOR TOP BANANA" sign* I have been lurking but computer at work has not been cooperating. I am so busy now at night trying to get everything done and ready for the next day. Working full-time sucks. How is the new house? Find a good jogging path yet?   Top

greenmonstah 10761 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 08:40 PM (EST) 10. "RE: Look at us" *Holds up "GO APE OVER GUS" sign* I am sorry you feel pressured because of time. That is a bummer...MRC is lurking over there behind that bush trying to get a picture of both of us together at the same time. The new house is coming along...I NEED to start running again! I need to get in a new groove now that we are kind of settled. *smooch*   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 08:33 PM (EST) 7. "RE: So, what is Kerry's plan?" See? One posts, then the other. Forget the CBS docs--this is the REAL conspiracy!   Top

zombiebaby 7356 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 08:37 PM (EST) 9. "Creepy...." ...now he is stalking Stop staring at me 19th century guy!   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 08:42 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Creepy...." Don't try to "Dan Rather" the public. They will soon see the light. There must be some cosmic thing that attracts me to the threads where you two post to each other. I prefer not to call it stalking--think of it as excessive interest.   Top

zombiebaby 7356 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 08:47 PM (EST) 13. "Reminds me of the " Far Side cartoon where a guy is in a clearing in the woods with his jammed camera. The caption reads something like "Suddenly the Loch Ness Monster, Big Foot and Jackie O all appeared together". Handcrafted by RollDdice What I am saying MRC = Jackie O   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 08:54 PM (EST) 17. "RE: Reminds me of the " That would support the rumor that I am a female. Off to bathe the kiddies. Have fun with the politicking!   Top

J Slice 13166 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-18-04, 09:29 PM (EST) 20. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Instant money? Harvest democrat babies and use them as a source of energy. Kind like the Matrix. Or kill the muggles. I'm sure the Dark Lord would agree, the muggles are controlling all the galleons, sickles, and knuts. Kill muggles, get the money! IceCat frellin' rocks. I'll be the roundabout.   Top

PagongRatEater 12996 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 01:12 AM (EST) 44. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." Are you sure you're not high yet?   Top

tjstein 1960 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 09-18-04, 09:46 PM (EST) 23. "Simple answer..." is that Bush is a big dork. Handcrafted by RollDdice Not that Kerry isn't also a dork, of course. He's just the dork for whom I'll be voting.   Top

bondt007 3413 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 09-18-04, 10:10 PM (EST) 24. "RE: Simple answer..." LAST EDITED ON 09-18-04 AT 10:10 PM (EST) ...so your voting for the bigger dork, I guess? posting forever despite my DAWness ...seeing that he can't figure out how to beat a dork, and he is a dork... just say'n...   Top

seahorse 14337 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 01:58 AM (EST) 48. "RE: Simple answer..." You got that right, Bond. ©Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

tjstein 1960 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 09-19-04, 10:05 AM (EST) 57. "RE: Simple answer..." Well, he is the taller dork, right? And he certainly has a longer face. I suppose that counts as being a bigger dork. Handcrafted by RollDdice Don't judge a whale by the size of his dork.   Top

bondt007 3413 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 09-18-04, 10:12 PM (EST) 25. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." sub - you got the DNC talking points memo over there? If Bush can't question Kerry about X,Y or Z, then who will? No one is. posting forever despite my DAWness   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-18-04, 10:59 PM (EST) 32. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." No, this is strictly ad lib stuff. I saw Bush on TV last night saying that Kerry's plans were financially unsound and the income to support them undocumented. At the same time, the Republican budget deficit is soaring, erasing any of the surplus that this administration inherited. True, some of the expenses we're currently funding were unforseen and unavoidable, yet Bush courted this current financial crisis when he immediately and irresponsiblly cut taxes just weeks after being appointed Resident. Had he tempered his urges to empty the government's cofers with his pay offs to the rich, the curent budget deficit might be less severe.   Top

landruajm 6040 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 11:54 AM (EST) 59. "RE: How can Bush question Kerry's fiscal plan...." No one is questioning Kerry? Riiiight.   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-19-04, 00:41 AM (EST) 39. "News Flash:Photo of Bush's lovechild surfaces!!"   Top

PagongRatEater 12996 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 01:55 AM (EST) 47. "RE: News Flash:Photo of Bush's lovechild surfaces!!" Is this McCaullay and Pipi Longstockings' love child?   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-19-04, 02:09 AM (EST) 50. "RE: News Flash:Photo of Bush's lovechild surfaces!!" I couldn't resist posting that.   Top

KeithFan 7422 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 02:14 AM (EST) 52. "My pic" Someone call me?   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-19-04, 02:20 AM (EST) 53. "RE: My pic" How did you ever get a picture of Ozzy at home in his bathroom?   Top

KeithFan 7422 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 02:27 AM (EST) 54. "RE: My pic" This is a picture of me after the blonde, brunette, redhead take your pick... came into the pharmacy and asked for anal deodorant. I said "There is no such thing" They said "I buy it here all the time" I said "Do you still have the package? Maybe I can order it." An hour later they come back with regular stick deodorant. I say "This is just regular deodorant!" The person (wear a Kerry '04 button) grabs it back from me and with a disgusted look on their face say "Look here" and points to the label on back "It says, 'To use, push up bottom"   Top

seahorse 14337 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-19-04, 02:42 AM (EST) 55. "RE: My pic" I almost fell out of this chair. ©Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

subman 1546 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 09-19-04, 03:08 AM (EST) 56. "RE: My pic" LAST EDITED ON 09-19-04 AT 03:11 AM (EST) HA..HA .....that's pretty good.. I'm gonna use it...switching the names of course.   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-20-04, 08:35 AM (EST) 69. "SWOOP?" Surprised it stayed out there for so long.   Top

Draco Malfoy 10525 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-20-04, 08:43 AM (EST) 70. "RE: SWOOP?" I thought about going for it, but I have such tiredhead from the whole political process I lost life force every time I tried to post.   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-20-04, 08:59 AM (EST) 72. "RE: SWOOP?" Here I am, thinking I'm clever and all, and I found out from landru that a swoop only counts if one hasn't previously posted in the thresd. These boards are like the Wild West, I tell ya--the rules are always changin'. Not that I understood the rules before, mind you--I just acted like I did.   Top

landruajm 6040 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-20-04, 09:03 AM (EST) 74. "RE: SWOOP?" And like Draco, I was so dulled by the nonsense on this thread, and so focused on the excesses of others, that I didn't notice that you had posted on it previously. Sorry to kill your buzz, really.   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 09-20-04, 11:00 AM (EST) 81. "RE: SWOOP?" That's what Satan does, right? Kills the buzz?   Top

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