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"This weeks Noms (2)"
Marcellas nominated Josh and Tonya.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 This boy is smart... SurvivorBlows 07-20-02 1
   RE: This boy is smart... drawde236 07-20-02 2
   RE: This boy is smart... true 07-20-02 3
   yeah, but......... shakes the clown 07-20-02 4
       RE: yeah, but......... true 07-20-02 5
       RE: yeah, but......... SurvivorBlows 07-20-02 7
           RE: yeah, but......... Ahtumbreez 07-20-02 9
               RE: yeah, but......... SurvivorBlows 07-20-02 11
           RE: yeah, but......... Kokoro 07-20-02 13
           RE: yeah, but......... SurvivinDawg 07-22-02 15
       RE: yeah, but......... Kokoro 07-20-02 14
 RE: This weeks Noms (2) Red Lady 07-20-02 6
   RE: This weeks Noms (2) true 07-20-02 8
       RE: This weeks Noms (2) Red Lady 07-20-02 10
           RE: This weeks Noms (2) jase 07-20-02 12

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SurvivorBlows 15230 desperate attention whore postings
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07-20-02, 00:54 AM (EST)
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1. "This boy is smart..."
He did exactly what I thoguht he'd do... it's the smartest most -- by doing guy and one girl, the Alliance sub-alliances are going to start tearing each other apart.

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID7/87.shtml#16

No, not really. The easier solution is to put up Josh and someone else from The Alliance. Then even if another member of The Alliance wins, I'd say none of them are going to opt to save Josh (the most annoying of all the Aliance members even to the Alliance members themselves) knowing that MArcellas would likely just replace Josh with ANOTHER Alliance member.

...and if the Alliance is going to lose someone anyways, why wouldn't you want it to be your most annoying member.

The problem with the idea of saving Josh for the veto vote is that it assumes that whoever WINS the veto vote would use it -- an assuption that I think you can't make. The best approach is to go for the sure thing and put Josh up when you have a chance -- and then make it clear that there's little to gain by using a veto on him by also making sure that everyone knows that if Josh gets vetoed then a THIRD alliane member is going up.

If Marcellas does that, then the only award winners that I could see with the guts to try saving Josh would be Eric or Roddy -- because both of them are still hoping to be counting on Josh to be around to be part of their Week Seven "3 on 3" showdown with Chiara, Lisa, and Tanya. Of course MArcellas could help feed off of this and begin to pry the Alliance apart by putting up one of Lisa/Chiara/Tanya versus Josh and encouraging some infighting among the Alliance over what the hell to do -- for starters, the girls would probably be forced to vote for Josh (in an attempt to keep their EndGame alliance alive.) Then, worst case worst, Roddy and Eric WOULDN'T vote for Josh (in an effort to protect the 3rd member of their "# Guy" sub-alliance)and the vote would be at 2-2

...then that would leave MArcellas only needing TWO other votes (say Gerry and just one of either Danielle, Joshua or Amy) to ensure a 4-4 TIE VOTE and allow Marcellas himself to cast the tiebreaker vote.

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07-20-02, 03:36 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: This boy is smart..."
I will agree with you that Marcellas is probably the smartest of the bunch, but I was surprised to see Tonya instead of Lisa. Off to CBS.com to shuffle the team (sigh).


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3. "RE: This boy is smart..."
I agree SB, however I think he should have picked one of the other two, not Tonya. I get the feeling, reading the live feed summaries, that Tonya is low man on the alliance totem pole. I believe I've read that Lisa and Chichi have been bad mouthing her behind her back. It wouldn't surprise me if they both voted her out. Then, it's not so clear that Josh is going.

Marcellas might have been smarter to put up Roddy or Eric against Josh, then I think he would be more likely to get rid of Josh, which seems to be his main objective.

I can't imagine anyone using veto power this week. Certainly none of the alliance members will, since Marcellas is sure to substitute one of them as a nominee. Gerry will vote out Josh, and I think Danielle and Amy will too. (only because it's what Marcellas wants, and I think they will stick together for now) Jason is a real wild card, he doesn't seem to be on either side, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he voted to evict Tonya.


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4. "yeah, but........."
....it was definitely smart to nominate one guy and one girl from the alliance, but he should've nominiated LISA instead of Tonya.

The reason is that one of the factors you have to consider when nominating two people is that only one is going to be evicted which means that you are going to be stuck with one person in the house who is going to hold a grudge against you for nominating them. Nominating Josh was a no brainer since Josh already doesn't like Marcy there is no worry for Marcy in Josh developing a grudge against him if he sticks around.

On the other hand, if he nominated Lisa he could claim that he did so to get her back for nominating him in the first round...in other words, they would be even and Lisa would have a hard time justifying a grudge against Marcy for doing what anyone would do in that situtation.

But, by nominating Tonya, now if she wins a future HOH comp she can easily turn around and nominate Marcy as a payback nom under the same theory that Marcy should've used tonominatie Lisa in the first place.

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5. "RE: yeah, but........."
I have to agree with you shakes, I think Lisa would have been a better choice, for strategy, if nothing else. I also think Lisa is well liked enough to ensure Josh going, and that's what Marcellas really wants. He did mention that he didn't nominate Lisa for the very reasons that you say he should have. He didn't want it to look like a revenge nom. He can't stand Tonya, so maybe he figures if Josh slides by, he gets his second choice out. Either way, he gets rid of someone he can't stand. After what happened to Lori, he probably didn't want to take the chance of a backlash type vote saving Josh.

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7. "RE: yeah, but........."
>....it was definitely smart to nominate
>one guy and one girl
>from the alliance, but he
>should've nominiated LISA instead of
>Tonya.

Actually, of the three girls, I think nominating Chiara would have been the best move. I think at this point everyone in the house is aware of Roddy and Chiara's relationship and "power of 2" alliance, and it would have been funny as hel to see Roddy swirming for a week -- does he keep Josh, the guy that he's supposedly in an Alliance of 3 with, or does he keep Chiara, the relationship that's beginning to make his follow alliance members Josh and Eric doubt his loyalties.

I don't think nominating Tanya is a huge deal -- the alliance has still made it pretty clear that Marcellas is still a prime target for them if any of them win HoH, and that was BEFORE he even decided to out TWO OF THEM UP this week, therefore I think Marcellas is already assuming that if ANY of the remaining Alliance members win the Week 3 HoH then he'll be nominiated again (and therefore in his mind, he doesn't gain anything by nominating Lisa vs. Tonya.)

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9. "RE: yeah, but........."
I have to agree with Shakes, with the reason simply being that Lisa would not become a *new* enemy. And if Lisa should become HOH again I don't think she would put up Marcellas again, at least not for a while. On the other hand Marcellas may be an easy target if Tonya should get HOH, with the reason simply being "turn around, fair play".
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07-20-02, 05:32 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: yeah, but........."
Unless the next HoH competition is a wet T-shirt contest, I'd say the chances of Tanya winning any mental or physical challenge is pretty low -- just look at her sorry performance to date.

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07-20-02, 10:22 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: yeah, but........."
It may very well have been a better decision to put Chiara up there. If Roddy (or even possibly Eric) wins the Veto, there's a good chance that they'll save Josh. They'd be pretty dumb to do so, however, as one of them would just go up in replacement.

I wonder if the girls would save Tonya (I'm thinking not a chance in hell ;)?

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07-22-02, 06:44 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: yeah, but........."
I agree with SB, a Josh v. Chiara nomination would've been best. I think Marcellus did correctly NOT nominating Lisa and thereby showing that he's NOT playing the "revenge card". The goodwill that Marcellus gained since he was nominated was not negated.

I also can't think of anyone (outside Amy, perhaps) that would use their veto to save Josh instead of Chiara. Danielle won the veto, so what will she do? Time will tell.

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14. "RE: yeah, but........."
Exactly, Lisa had been expecting it anyway (and btw, wasn't it a huge dramatic coincidence that Lisa's was the last key in the box? ;) and I believe the others in her alliance were as well. It would've simply been a vote to evict Josh with Lisa there for reasons known to everyone.

Using Tonya as the "sacrificial lamb" however, doesn't seem to have affected her much from what I can see. It doesn't even seem she realizes what nomination means yet....Gawd that woman is thick as molassas!

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07-20-02, 12:55 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: This weeks Noms (2)"
Did you learn who the next nominees for eviction were by watching the live feeds? Everytime I am on the feeds and something good starts to happen--they switch to FOTH. So, I am curious if I just happen to log in to the feeds at the wrong time, or if you guys have another source for these show leaks.

Just wondering,
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8. "RE: This weeks Noms (2)"
No, I'm not watching the live feeds. I have been keeping up by reading summaries on the TV Clubhouse site. (link is posted around here somewhere) It's my understanding that the cameras cut away during the actual competitions/nom ceremonies, but the hamsters are caught discussing them after the fact. Hope this helps.

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10. "RE: This weeks Noms (2)"
Thx, True..it does

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12. "RE: This weeks Noms (2)"
Based on his relationships with everyone, Josh and Tonya were the only two he has not really connected with. Picking any other girl (or guy) would have created bigger problems for him because the hgs seem to change their minds every five seconds when it comes to who they like and dislike. He had to pick two people that a majority of the hgs wouldn't have a big problem with having them put up for eviction. He did just that.
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